pierre Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Whether this transcript of an alleged conversation between Ruby and Oswald is a fake or not, the simple fact that this document has been concealed for decades is puzzling, to say the list. If the transcript was purely fictional and written for a movie to come, why to have kept it concealed. After that, it is quite obvious to think that more relevant and true documents still remain classified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) Bumped from the Dallas County DA's office finds cache of JFK memorabilia thread: QUOTE(John Simkin @ Feb 20 2008, 01:47 AM) The assumption being made is that the conversation was part of a film script (Countdown to Dallas) that Henry Wade was working on. However, Michael Hogan has pointed out on another thread, that Countdown to Dallas was a proposed documentary on the assassination. If that is the case, the Oswald-Ruby conversation is not part of a script. Craig Watkins said these documents will be available to researchers. It seems to me that researchers need to take a close look at this contract. Who signed the contract? Did they make documentaries or feature films? Watkins said the contract suggested that Wade would have become a "rich man" if the film was made. Maybe he was offered even more money that stated in the contract not to make the film. *** My guess is that the film was to have been falsely characterized as a documentary, that Wade would have served the function of the false authority from which an entirely fabricated "transcript" would draw its bona fides, and that the project went south, as they say, when the notion of producing a limited hang-out was rejected by conspirators on the grounds of lack of need. (Of course these efficient killers of kings were wise enough to keep this stash intact; a strategically timed future release might reap the benefits of confusing and otherwise misdirecting investigators-to-come.) Technically, John, the "transcript" was precisely a script component: a fictive construct disguised as a genuine document and inserted into a larger cinematic fabrication. Of course researchers must take a close look at the contract and all other components of this newly discovered cache of materials. Forensic examinations of documents, films, still photos, etc. -- including the boxes they're in and the safe itself -- must be conducted. In the meantime, let's do what we can to keep the material off the Sixth Floor. Edited February 20, 2008 by Charles Drago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Plumlee Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) Bumped from the Dallas County DA's office finds cache of JFK memorabilia thread:QUOTE(John Simkin @ Feb 20 2008, 01:47 AM) The assumption being made is that the conversation was part of a film script (Countdown to Dallas) that Henry Wade was working on. However, Michael Hogan has pointed out on another thread, that Countdown to Dallas was a proposed documentary on the assassination. If that is the case, the Oswald-Ruby conversation is not part of a script. Craig Watkins said these documents will be available to researchers. It seems to me that researchers need to take a close look at this contract. Who signed the contract? Did they make documentaries or feature films? Watkins said the contract suggested that Wade would have become a "rich man" if the film was made. Maybe he was offered even more money that stated in the contract not to make the film. *** My guess is that the film was to have been falsely characterized as a documentary, that Wade would have served the function of the false authority from which an entirely fabricated "transcript" would draw its bona fides, and that the project went south, as they say, when the notion of producing a limited hang-out was rejected by conspirators on the grounds of lack of need. (Of course these efficient killers of kings were wise enough to keep this stash intact; a strategically timed future release might reap the benefits of confusing and otherwise misdirecting investigators-to-come.) Technically, John, the "transcript" was precisely a script component: a fictive construct disguised as a genuine document and inserted into a larger cinematic fabrication. Of course researchers must take a close look at the contract and all other components of this newly discovered cache of materials. Forensic examinations of documents, films, still photos, etc. -- including the boxes they're in and the safe itself -- must be conducted. In the meantime, let's do what we can to keep the material off the Sixth Floor. Charles. I think now your right on. I have just been told by a retired detective of the Dallas P.D., as well as a retired Sgt., that some of the photos and even some fingerprints are in that collection. That there are "..MORE than just a movie script in those boxes..". Also, I was told by a different source whose father worked for Wade, that the FBI is now taking a second look ..'and that some in the DoJ are interested in launching their investigation as to WHY this material has been kept secret for so many years...,that other documents from investigative units between Dallas and Ft Worth are also lost somewhere in Ft Worth's files, which connected south Texas crime interest to the case ('Texas Mafia, although not said) "The movie contract was an after thought and used as a distraction". (not sure of just how this was meant) I have been sworn not to use any names at this time, because some of my sources think they will be called to testify, if and when????. When I have my meetings in Dallas and south Texas, I will ask those questions your interested in. "Dallas officials are thinking about opening their own investigation into this". (if you remember, the FBI took the investigation away from local and it went into the black hole of federal and much of the HARD evidence concerning Texas's involvement in the assassination was with held with the nod of some in Washington DoJ and the WH) I hope you understand I have "ticked" some of the "Old Boys" off recently. Their throwing up their baby food and spitting cruse words. P.S I just got off the telephone from a Dallas source: "... Bob. if you have anyway of getting information to the right people then try to get them to write to Dallas authorities requesting an investigation into this find, overwhelm them if you can.., before all this is again lost. I feel the time is right. I know some are trying to buy the rights to this information and lock it up again..". Sounds like a good idea to me. Perhaps that would block any thing going to a museum or being purged or sorted out. On another note. I asked about photos of the south plaza, an area I am very much interested in, and I was told there were pictures of the south knoll taken at the time of the shooting. Who took those pictures I do not know, but I was told that Life Magazine had one of them after they bought it from one of the people who took it... Perhaps Peter Lemkin can fill in at this point. I think he knows how this photo came into being. This particular photo also can be found in Gary Shaw and Harris's book "Conspiracy", published in 1976. Edited February 20, 2008 by William Plumlee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) News Stories re: Wade/Robert Larson film project. Compliments of Robert Howard. DALLAS, Sept.. 13 1967 A corporation that 'includes on its boai'd of directors the District Attorney and former Police Chief of Dallas has begun shooting a film about the assassination of President Kennedy. ~ Robert Larsen, the pro-' ducer of the projected film, said background footage was shot recently in Dallas and during the past few days 'at his studio in Colorado Springs, Colo. . . ' . . Among the directors of the corporation that is producing the film are Henry M. Wade, the 'District Attorney.'at the time of the assassination who still holds that office, and Jesse Curry, who was the Dallas Police Chief in November, 1963. Marvin Thomas, Mr. Wade's law partner, is president of the corporation, known as Flag-Star Inc. t. The corporation was formed last March but its existence, according to Mr. Larsen, was kept secret until ..Wednesday when word of. its establishment leaked to the Press. Mr. Larsen said the picture, which he said would be released in about 10 .months, would "recreate in dramatic form'' the events of November 22, 1963, and during the subsequent months- According to present!' plans, Mr. Wade, Mr. ' Curry, and other principals jn the assassination story would play themselves in the film. Mr. Larsen has been negotiating with Marina Oswald, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald, the President's assassin, but' they bave reached no agrej fnent on financial terms. " : Mr. Wade announced to -the' world 'the arrest of Oswald as tile assassin of toe President and later prosecuted Oswald's slayer, Jack Ruby, who died of cancer last January. . Littleknown professional actors will play Oswald and Ruby, Mr. l^arsen said. s T'he producer said the picture would not challenge the findings of the Warren Commisskfa that Oswald was the lone assassin, but. would present the story and "let the audience be the judge and jury. He said- Flag-Star is currently seeking to raise £178,572 to. finance the pictured , ; 'Despite Mr. Larsen's prediction that the picture would be "released within a: year, Mr. Wade said he was "not' .optimistic about its ever being made." He emphasized that he had no formal contract with Mr. Larsen and that no stock has been issued by the corporation, which, he called "a shell', corporation.'; The District Attorney said he would like to see "an authentic documentary" of the assassination produced, but he' commented that if the projected film is '.not authentically documentary, "I'm not interested in it." Xxxxxxxxxxxx Edited February 20, 2008 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) Dallas DA Withdraws From Kennedy Film By NICHOLAS C. CHRISS The Los Angeles Times Sept. 28, 1967 DALLAS (TPNS) - Dist. Aty. Henry Wade, who used his influence here to lay the groundwork for a projected documentary film of the Kennedy a s s a s s i n a t i o n , has withdrawn from {he project. Robert Larsen, a commercial film producer confirmed that the district attorney "is dropping the whole thing." Larsen, head of R o b e r t Larsen Productions, Ltd., of Colorado Springs, Colo., said Wade told him he was having "just too many problems," resulting from published stories revealing details of the film, to continue with the project. He said he would try to dissuade Wade. "I intend to make the picture if I can," Larsen said. "But I must have cooperation to do it." Wade had been using his influence in Dallas to open doors to ease filming of the project and, with former Police Chief Jesse Curry, to a p p r o a c h persons who were involved in the events surrounding the assassination and ask them to reenact their roles in the movie. Wade had intended to portray himself. In turn, Larsen had agreed to pay Wade $20,000 and Curry $7.500 for their efforts and their files. Larsen also disclosed that he offered Marina Oswald, widow of presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, $20,000 and a percentage of the receipts if she At- Dalla would accept a starring role in the film, "Countdown In Dallas." Some 40 to 50 people in Dallas are supposed to play their reallife roles in the movie. A study of the script indicates that a prime purpose of the movie is to improve the reputation of Dallas and its police department, damaged by the assassination. Producer Larsen said he still feels Wade might be interested in making the movie. "I know he's interested in an authentic picture being made," he said. "I think frankly that the more difficult the situation becomes in trying to film the movie, the more valuable it will be after it is made," Larsen said. Edited February 20, 2008 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) Film Project Yet to Start Colorado Springs film producer Robert Larson failed to begin filming his proposed movie of President Kennedy's assassination in Dallas Monday as he had announced he would do last week. A source at the film company's office at the Hilton Inn acknowleded filming had been delayed, but would not elaborate. Company officials were not available for comment. Dist. Atty. Henry Wade, who has been in close contact with the producers, said he is "in a position to know" that the filming has been delased indefinately. "I don't think they have any immediate plans to start in the forseable future, and it's entirely speculation now as is whether they ever will," he said. Edited February 20, 2008 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Wade Denies Any Movie Offer Made or Accepted Producer Says Curry, Marina Have Agreed to Play in Assassination Film By David Morgan Dist. Atty. Henry Wade Hotly denied reports Thursday that he would receive $20,000 for his participation in making "Countdown In Dallas," a movie based on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Wade blamed the film's producer, Robert Larson, for the reports. "There's been no contract, no offers or anything. He's just here trying to raise money." A story originating from the Los Angeles Times said earlier this week that Wade, Marina Oswald Porter and former Police Chief Jesse Curry would receive substantial sums for personal appearances in the movie, which Larson has been filming in Dallas. Larson told The News Thursday that the Los Angeles Times reporter who was allowed to read the script found documents that indicated what participants might receive if the movie were completed. "That's $20,000," Larson said, "is the problem. It was allocated, but that doesn't mean I offered Henry Wade $20,000." Larson explained that the amount was only tentative, "like a hit record." "If it (the movie) is successful, then we'll consider it. You more or less have to establish figures for targets." Larson said he plans to continue with the movie, which already has cost him $50,000, despite the controversary, and said he's already received verbal agreements by Curry and Mrs. Porter that they are willing to play their parts. Mrs. Porte, he said, will have a major role. Wade howeverr, said he'll have no more part of it. "It's a thing to try to stir up publicity to try to get some people to put up money," Wade charge. "I mean to have nothing whatever to do with it. I'm fed up with it." Wade said a firm which he is a partner, Flag-Star, Inc. was formed to 'work out some documentary sort of thing," hen added: "But as far as I'm concerned, it's through." Larson said the Los Angeles story was "premature" and that the "onslaught of reporters discourged and embarrassed" Wade. Larson said he is slightly discourged that City Mgr. Scott McDonald has refused to allow him to film policemen or the Municpal Building where Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby. "However, he never got to read the script," Larson argued. "I don't think we would be doing the police department any harm." Larson said he needed authentic backdrops for scenes in his filming. "If I don't get the cooperation of Mr. Wade and the City of Dallas it will be impossible to make the picture. I wanted to be authentic and I don't think it would be the kind of picture you'd go on a Hollywood stage and produce." Larson said that his company, Robert Larson Productions, Ltd. of Colorado Springs, Colo., has a shooting schedule of 32 days and a release date 10 months away. "All I'm doing is trying to present a fair story of the assassination," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Plumlee Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Wade Denies Any Movie Offer Made or Accepted Producer Says Curry, Marina Have Agreed to Play in Assassination Film By David Morgan Dist. Atty. Henry Wade Hotly denied reports Thursday that he would receive $20,000 for his participation in making "Countdown In Dallas," a movie based on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Wade blamed the film's producer, Robert Larson, for the reports. "There's been no contract, no offers or anything. He's just here trying to raise money." A story originating from the Los Angeles Times said earlier this week that Wade, Marina Oswald Porter and former Police Chief Jesse Curry would receive substantial sums for personal appearances in the movie, which Larson has been filming in Dallas. Larson told The News Thursday that the Los Angeles Times reporter who was allowed to read the script found documents that indicated what participants might receive if the movie were completed. "That's $20,000," Larson said, "is the problem. It was allocated, but that doesn't mean I offered Henry Wade $20,000." Larson explained that the amount was only tentative, "like a hit record." "If it (the movie) is successful, then we'll consider it. You more or less have to establish figures for targets." Larson said he plans to continue with the movie, which already has cost him $50,000, despite the controversary, and said he's already received verbal agreements by Curry and Mrs. Porter that they are willing to play their parts. Mrs. Porte, he said, will have a major role. Wade howeverr, said he'll have no more part of it. "It's a thing to try to stir up publicity to try to get some people to put up money," Wade charge. "I mean to have nothing whatever to do with it. I'm fed up with it." Wade said a firm which he is a partner, Flag-Star, Inc. was formed to 'work out some documentary sort of thing," hen added: "But as far as I'm concerned, it's through." Larson said the Los Angeles story was "premature" and that the "onslaught of reporters discourged and embarrassed" Wade. Larson said he is slightly discourged that City Mgr. Scott McDonald has refused to allow him to film policemen or the Municpal Building where Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby. "However, he never got to read the script," Larson argued. "I don't think we would be doing the police department any harm." Larson said he needed authentic backdrops for scenes in his filming. "If I don't get the cooperation of Mr. Wade and the City of Dallas it will be impossible to make the picture. I wanted to be authentic and I don't think it would be the kind of picture you'd go on a Hollywood stage and produce." Larson said that his company, Robert Larson Productions, Ltd. of Colorado Springs, Colo., has a shooting schedule of 32 days and a release date 10 months away. "All I'm doing is trying to present a fair story of the assassination," he said. Bill; I just received a call from a young researcher who thinks this is an ongoing project of today and wanted to know what I thought about it. Perhaps in the articles you reference you could put the complete date and year of the articles as well as its sources, etc Dallas Morning News....Times Hearld or others. The time frame of this is very important for a new gereration of research, as well as where the sources can be found... Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) Wade Denies Any Movie Offer Made or Accepted Producer Says Curry, Marina Have Agreed to Play in Assassination Film By David Morgan Dist. Atty. Henry Wade Hotly denied reports Thursday that he would receive $20,000 for his participation in making "Countdown In Dallas," a movie based on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Wade blamed the film's producer, Robert Larson, for the reports. "There's been no contract, no offers or anything. He's just here trying to raise money." A story originating from the Los Angeles Times said earlier this week that Wade, Marina Oswald Porter and former Police Chief Jesse Curry would receive substantial sums for personal appearances in the movie, which Larson has been filming in Dallas. Larson told The News Thursday that the Los Angeles Times reporter who was allowed to read the script found documents that indicated what participants might receive if the movie were completed. "That's $20,000," Larson said, "is the problem. It was allocated, but that doesn't mean I offered Henry Wade $20,000." Larson explained that the amount was only tentative, "like a hit record." "If it (the movie) is successful, then we'll consider it. You more or less have to establish figures for targets." Larson said he plans to continue with the movie, which already has cost him $50,000, despite the controversary, and said he's already received verbal agreements by Curry and Mrs. Porter that they are willing to play their parts. Mrs. Porte, he said, will have a major role. Wade howeverr, said he'll have no more part of it. "It's a thing to try to stir up publicity to try to get some people to put up money," Wade charge. "I mean to have nothing whatever to do with it. I'm fed up with it." Wade said a firm which he is a partner, Flag-Star, Inc. was formed to 'work out some documentary sort of thing," hen added: "But as far as I'm concerned, it's through." Larson said the Los Angeles story was "premature" and that the "onslaught of reporters discourged and embarrassed" Wade. Larson said he is slightly discourged that City Mgr. Scott McDonald has refused to allow him to film policemen or the Municpal Building where Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby. "However, he never got to read the script," Larson argued. "I don't think we would be doing the police department any harm." Larson said he needed authentic backdrops for scenes in his filming. "If I don't get the cooperation of Mr. Wade and the City of Dallas it will be impossible to make the picture. I wanted to be authentic and I don't think it would be the kind of picture you'd go on a Hollywood stage and produce." Larson said that his company, Robert Larson Productions, Ltd. of Colorado Springs, Colo., has a shooting schedule of 32 days and a release date 10 months away. "All I'm doing is trying to present a fair story of the assassination," he said. Bill; I just received a call from a young researcher who thinks this is an ongoing project of today and wanted to know what I thought about it. Perhaps in the articles you reference you could put the complete date and year of the articles as well as its sources, etc Dallas Morning News....Times Hearld or others. The time frame of this is very important for a new gereration of research, as well as where the sources can be found... Thanks. Robert Howard was kind enough to send me the clips, which I mention and date in an earlier post, the LA Times article which apparently was premature and set the film project into tailspin - was published prior to September 28, 1967 article. Will attach the dates to the clips when I have a chance but the Dallas Morning News story is from August 22, 1967. The clips were sent in full page format so I had a hard time extracting them. But they all date from August - October 1967. Of course you are reading this exclusively at the Ed Forum, thanks to RH (The POC) and the mainstream media remains ignorant of all of this. BK Edited February 20, 2008 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Robert Larwon, Colorado Springs, Colorado film maker, circa 1967. Who was he, where did he come from and what became of him? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Plumlee Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 (edited) Robert Larwon, Colorado Springs, Colorado film maker, circa 1967. Who was he, where did he come from and what became of him? BK Bill: The federal government shut him down and scared the hell out of him and Wade. ON ANOTHER NOTE (not directed toward you Bill) deleted by Plumlee as being not important and off subject. Sorry Edited February 21, 2008 by William Plumlee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Denise Ryan, Vancouver Sun Published: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/st...702&k=18689 The Vancouver Island man alleged to be former U.S. president John F. Kennedy's son believes sensitive documents related to JFK's assassination are surfacing now because of media attention that has brought his existence to light. Previously hidden documents and objects relating to the 1963 assassination were made public on Monday by the Dallas County district attorney's office. "I think anyone would have to question the timing," Jack Worthington told The Vancouver Sun. "It's just my hunch that this DA decided to come clean partially because he [or the investigators] feared something would be exposed by the Vanity Fair story." Worthington first became the object of international curiosity when it emerged that Vanity Fair had spiked a politically sensitive story about an unnamed Kennedy offspring living in the Vancouver area. Worthington suggested to The Sun that "investigators" may believe his mother's family, the Bibbs of south Texas, "may have left me some type of authentic evidence that would expose something embarrassing to them." The secret files related to Kennedy's death include a transcript of an alleged conversation between Kennedy's assassin Lee Harvey Oswald and Oswald's killer Jack Ruby as they plot to kill the president. In response to Worthington's suggestion, Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins told The Sun: "There is no truth to that at all. I see no way to tie it together." Watkins had heard of Worthington's existence about a week ago, but said planning around release of the sensitive documents had been in the works for about a year. Watkins said the transcripts read "more like a movie script," and that is what he believes them to be. Documents in the cache also show that Henry Wade, district attorney at the time of the Kennedy assassination, had been negotiating a movie deal. Vanity Fair would not comment on the content of its article, whether it has any relation to evidence Worthington's maternal family, the Bibbs, might have, or how that might relate to the assassination. Richard Reeves, Kennedy's official biographer and author of President Kennedy: Profile of Power, told The Sun he also believes the transcripts are a red herring. "I don't know anyone who comes close to believing anything about the transcripts," he said. "It doesn't sound like the way people speak." As for Worthington's possible relation to the Kennedys, he pointed out that major U.S. news organizations are thus far staying away from reporting on Worthington's story. "Since the Dan Rather episode, the networks are a little more careful about this sort of thing," he said. In 2004, Rather went on air with a report suggesting that President George Bush received favourable treatment in the National Guard, a report that was later proved false. Worthington, who hopes the Vanity Fair article will shed light on the assassination, said he is not a conspiracy theorist. "I'm not that knowledgeable about various theories," said Worthington. "I'll leave those judgments to professionals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Here's a link to a few pages of the actual transcript: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...9rubyoswald.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 It seems the Dallas News wants help in interpreting this material. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...s.15b53191.html The paper has set up a forum to discuss these documents. So far no one has posted on the subject: http://www.dallasnews.com/forums/viewforum...1efd4c2c4c993ee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Here's two more reports on film maker Robert Larsen, the first, from Tom Bowden, of the Dallas Conspiracy Museum, who is apparently writing his memoirs, and includes this story of Larsen's visit and remarks. The other, in a following post, includes a quote from Larsen's son and the DMN apparently beginning to question Wade's integrity over the film deal. It seems that Larsen may have some film out take interviews with witnesses and may have obtained some official documents before they pulled the plug on him. - BK From: Tom Bowden [mailto:writeconcord@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:15 AM To: dflick@dallasmorningnews.com Subject: Robert Larsen and Henry Wade David, This is Tom Bowden of the Conspiracy Museum. In 2006, I discussed this film with Robert Larsen. He painted a somewhat different picture than you have written. He originated the conversation and we talked for about an hour. The background was similar to your article in that he had been shooting commercials in Dallas and was approached by Henry Wade about doing a movie. They reached an agreement and Larsen begin to work on the script. The first version was completed and I suspect the copy in Ms. West possession is that version. Larsen and Wade discussed the script and decided to enhance the script to include the Oswald-Ruby relationship. It is my understanding the final script did in fact have the conversation in it and the film was to have had a conspiracy ending. According to Larsen, while the film was in production, Wade called him into his office. Wade told him the financing had fallen through and Larsen was to leave town within twenty four hours. Larsen said he never understood the reason for the hurried shut down and demand that he leave town. His impression was someone was pressuring Wade to drop the film. Larsen stated that he still had the files on the movie including the final script. He also stated he had the film footage from the production. Larsen was in his 80's at the time and was attempting to find a way to capitalize on his archive. He did not want to give it to the Sixth Floor. In a subsequent conversion, we made an appointment for me to view the information during a trip to California the following month. An appointment I was unable to keep as the museum's financial situation begin to worsen. Immediately after talking to Larsen, I called Gary Mack to see if he had heard of the film. Mack told me he had not and would like to see the information if I obtained it. I am including this story in greater detail in my upcoming book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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