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This guy Wilbur Baldinger was about as Progressive and Liberal as they come. He wrote for The Nation and The New Republic

and was a staunch union advocate, a constant campaigner for civil rights, equal rights and human rights. His papers are stored

at the Walter Reuther Library the union leader. He also worked for The National Civil Liberties association. Do you have the right guy here? He was part of Americans for Democratic Action.

He also HATED right-wing extremists and the likes of Billy James Hargis and Robert Morris both of whom were on his

watch list. (see below) He planned to write an expose of Hargis and Morris in fact. He was NOT rich by any means and certainly could not afford a Connecticut mansion, on the water with a giant yacht. He was a big fan of JFK, Thurgood

Marshall and Senator Claiborne Pell of Rhode Island. He was anti-Fascist to the core.

7-19 Baldinger, Wilbur, "The Era of the Fascist Front," 1957

He even had another Manchurian Candidate bastidge on his hit list besides Robert Morris...

9-11 Committee for a Free Gold Market, Major George Racey Jordan, 1956-63

He was even following the Congress of Freedom and Constitution Party psychos....

9-17 Committee of the States, 1969-73

9-18 Congress of Freedom, 1956-66

9-19 Constitution Party, 1956-66

9-2 Headlines and What's Behind Them, Joseph P. Kamp, 1952-68

6-22 thru 23 Immigration; clippings, 1950-75

6-24 Senate Internal Security Subcommittee; clippings, 1961-76

He was after just about every well known Fascist in the USA

9-22 thru 24 Courtney, Kent, Conservative Society of America, Independent American, 1956-70

9-25 Defenders of American Education, 1957-68

9-26 Defenders of American Liberties, Robert Morris, 1962-64

9-27 Defenders of the American Constitution, 1956-75

9-28 DeMille Foundation, 4956-59

9-29 Appeal to Reason, The, Lawrence Dennis, 1957-62

9-3 Human Events; clippings, correspondence, 1957-73

9-30 Facts Forum, 1954-62

9-31 Fascists, 1947-66

10-10 Institute for American Strategy, 1961-71

10-11 thru 12 Christian Crusade, Billy James Hargis, 1961-76

10-13 Church League of America, Major Edgar C. Bundy, 1955-67

What the heck did he have to do with JFK's assassination?

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OS 4 Baldinger, Wilbur; New York Daily PM articles, 1944-46

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2-1 thru 44 National Civil Liberties Clearing House; minutes and meeting material, 1965 May-1970 Dec

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3-1 thru 2 National Civil Liberties Clearing House; minutes and meeting material, 1971

3-28 thru 58 Civil Liberties Bulletin, 1949 Jun-1971 Jan

3-3 thru 27 National Civil Liberties Clearing House Administrative Committee; minutes and meeting material, 1959 Nov-1971

3-59 Finance reports, 1951-69

3-60 thru 61 National Civil Liberties Clearing House Annual Conference, 1st-22nd; reports and programs, 1949-70

3-62 Conference speeches: Senator John F. Kennedy, Thurgood Marshall, William Douglas, Hon. Harry P. Cain, Richardson Dilworth, Hon. Claiborne Pell, Dore Schary, Rep. John Lindsay, Roy Wilkins, 1959-63

3-63 Certificate of incorporation, 1964

3-64 Mailings, 1960-65

3-65 Baldinger, Mary Alice; personal, 1965-70

3-66 Ford Foundation; clippings, 1955-69

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4-1 thru 2 Scrapbook; "The Guild Years: The Gathering Storm,” 1939-41

4-12 thru 13 Scrapbook; "The Guild Years: Reading From the Left,” 1943-44

4-14 thru 15 Scrapbook; "The Guild Years: Washington and PM,” 1945-55

4-16 thru 18 Scrapbook; Baldinger articles, 1945-65

4-19 thru 23 Scrapbook; "Around City Halls,” 1962-74

4-3 thru 5 Scrapbook; "The Guild Years: The Raging Storm,” 1941

4-6 thru 8 Scrapbook; "The Guild Years: In the Hot Seat,” 1941-44

4-9 thru 11 Scrapbook; "The Guild Years: Political Action Fronts,” 1943-44

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5-1 thru 6 Scrapbook; "Around City Halls,” 1971-76

5-10 Labor--general; clippings, report, 1950s-70s

5-11 Labor law; clippings, reports, 1950s-70s

5-12 Teamsters; clippings, 1960s-70s

5-13 thru 14 International labor; clippings, 1950s-70s

5-15 Maritime, docks; clippings, 1960s-70s

5-16 thru 17 Press; clippings, 1960s-70s

5-18 Steel; clippings, 1960s-70s

5-19 thru 20 Autos; clippings, 1960s-70s

5-21 thru 22 Coal; clippings, 1960s-70s

5-23 Electrical; clippings, 1960s-70s

5-24 Farm; clippings, 19660s-70s

5-25 AFL-CIO; clippings, 1960s-70s

5-7 USCM; press releases, pamphlets, 1963-71

5-8 Jansen, Don, Political Color of the Guild Reporter, The; graduate thesis, University of Minnesota, 1948

5-9.A Labor Department; clippings, 1950s-70s

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6-1 ADA (Americans for Democratic Action); clippings, 1960s-70s

6-11 thru 20 Supreme Court of the United States; clippings, 1958-76

6-2 thru 6 Civil rights; clippings, 1957-75

6-21 Communists; clippings, 1965-75

6-22 thru 23 Immigration; clippings, 1950-75

6-24 Senate Internal Security Subcommittee; clippings, 1961-76

6-25 Reapportionment; clippings, essays, 1964-73

6-7 Business political action, 1950s-60s

6-8 Politics; clippings, 1960s-70s

6-9 thru 10 Congressional voting record; ADA press, 1950s-76

7-1 Reapportionment; clippings, 1962-64

7-10 Mafia; "The Honored Society," New Yorker series, 1960s

7-11.A Harris, Richard, "New Justice," New Yorker, 1972

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7-12 thru 13 Justice Department; clippings, 1950s-70s

7-14 thru 15 Nixon, Richard; clippings, 1971-76

7-16 Autographs, 1920s-60s

7-17 Baldinger, Wilbur, Newsweek article drafts, correspondence, 1949-55

7-18 Baldinger, Wilbur, "The Union Wreckers;" Communist history of United Electrical Workers Local 447, 1955

7-19 Baldinger, Wilbur, "The Era of the Fascist Front," 1957

7-2 thru 3 Natural resources; clippings, 1950s-70s

7-20 Baldinger, Wilbur, "The Faces of Children;" integration in District of Columbia, 1956

7-21 Baldinger, Wilbur; miscellaneous manuscripts, 1955-56

7-22 USCM; presidents reports, 1963-70

7-23 USCM; speech drafts, 1962-68

7-24 Baldinger, Wilbur, "New CATV Frontiers,” 1961

7-25 thru 26 CATV (Community antenna television), 1960-62, 1971-76

7-27 Electronic design; correspondence, 1961-62

7-28 Magazine correspondence, 1956-61

7-29 Baldinger, Wilbur, New Leader, Nation, New Republic; articles, correspondence, 1946-50

7-30 Progressive correspondence, drafts, 1947-59

7-31 Police; clippings, 1971-76

7-32 Revenue sharing; clippings, 1969-76

7-4 thru 5 Nixon, Richard; clippings, 1962-71

7-6 Agnew, Spiro; clippings, 1968-74

7-7 Anti-trust; clippings, 1954-75

7-8 Ford, Gerald; clippings, 1974-76

7-9 Congress; clippings, 1971-75

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8-1 National Urban Coalition; clipping, publications, 1969-71

8-10 thru 11 Housing; clippings, 1971-76

8-12 Lobbies; clippings, 1970-75

8-13 Manpower, poverty; clippings, 1971-76

8-14 Obituaries, 1970s

8-15 thru 17 Mayors; clippings, 1967-76

8-18 Urban issues; clippings, 1970-71

8-19 Internal Security Subcommittee (Senate); clippings, 1956-61

8-2 USCM; memos, 1969-74

8-20 thru 21 Loyalty oath; clippings, 1957-75

8-22 Spies, Wennerstrom; New Yorker series, 1966

8-23 thru 24 Spies; clippings, 1961-76

8-25 SACB (Subversive Activities Control Board); clippings, 1963-73

8-26 HUAC; clippings, 1960-75

8-27 Freedom School; clippings, correspondence, pamphlets, 1956-67

8-28 Freedoms Foundation; clippings, correspondence, pamphlets, 1957-70

8-3 USCM; publication material, 1971

8-4 USCM; publications, 1960s

8-5 Welfare; clippings, 1970-75

8-6 Consumer finance; clippings, 1971-75

8-7 thru 8 Metropolitan areas; clippings, 1960-71

8-9.A Common Cause; clippings, 1970-75

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9-1 Herald of Freedom, Freedom Club, First Congregational Church, 1964

9-10 "Closer Up,” Don Bell Reports, 1947-61

9-11 Committee for a Free Gold Market, Major George Racey Jordan, 1956-63

9-12 thru 13 Committee for Constitutional Government, 1956-59

9-14 Committee for the Monroe Doctrine, 1962-63

9-15 thru 16 Committee of the 1,000,000, 1963-75

9-17 Committee of the States, 1969-73

9-18 Congress of Freedom, 1956-66

9-19 Constitution Party, 1956-66

9-2 Headlines and What's Behind Them, Joseph P. Kamp, 1952-68

9-20 Coordinating Committee for Fundamental American Freedoms, Inc., 1963-64

9-21 Counterattack, 1959-62

9-22 thru 24 Courtney, Kent, Conservative Society of America, Independent American, 1956-70

9-25 Defenders of American Education, 1957-68

9-26 Defenders of American Liberties, Robert Morris, 1962-64

9-27 Defenders of the American Constitution, 1956-75

9-28 DeMille Foundation, 4956-59

9-29 Appeal to Reason, The, Lawrence Dennis, 1957-62

9-3 Human Events; clippings, correspondence, 1957-73

9-30 Facts Forum, 1954-62

9-31 Fascists, 1947-66

9-32 Federation for Constitutional Government, 1955-65

9-4 Information Digest; clippings, 1976

9-5 Citizens Committee for a Free Cuba, Spruille Braden, 1966-68

9-6 thru 7 Citizens Councils; clippings, 1954-73

9-8 Citizens Foreign Aid Committee, 1958-67

9-9 Citizens Foreign Relations Committee, Committee of Endorsers, 1956-62

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10-1 Fighting Homefolks of Fighting Men, Captain Eugene Guild, 1956-63

10-10 Institute for American Strategy, 1961-71

10-11 thru 12 Christian Crusade, Billy James Hargis, 1961-76

10-13 Church League of America, Major Edgar C. Bundy, 1955-67

10-14 Harvard Veritas Foundation, Alliance Inc., Archibald Roosevelt, 1955-63

10-15 American Academy of Public Affairs, 1962

10-16 American Association of Small Business, 1956-61

10-17 American Challenge, American States Rights Association, 1958-62

10-18 American Coalition, 1956-65

10-19 American Conservative Union, 1964-71

10-2 For America, 1956-73

10-20 American Council of Christian Laymen, Verne P. Kaub, 1957-64

10-21 thru 23 American Economic Foundation, 1956-73

10-24 American Education Association, 1948-62

10-25 American Enterprise Association, 1950-61

10-26 American Enterprise Institute, 1964-66

10-27 American Good Government Society, 1956-61

10-28 American Jewish League Against Communism, 1958-62

10-29 Washington Observer, 1965-70

10-3 Foundation for American Principles and Traditions, 1955-62

10-30 American National Research Inc., Karl Baarslag, 1958-62

10-31 thru 32 American Nazi Party, George Lincoln Rockwell, 1952-75

10-4 Foundation for Economic Education, 1950-57

10-5 Freedom in Action, 1958-60

10-6 Freedom School, 1965-68

10-7 thru 9 Circuit Riders, Inc., 1957-64

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11-1 American Security Council, 1962-76

11-10 Aware Inc., 1955-73

11-11 thru 13 John Birch Society, Robert Walsh, 1956-76

11-14 Black Muslims, 1960-69

11-15 Book Publishers and shops, 156-74

11-16 thru 17 Buckly, William F. Jr., Young Americans for Freedom, Conservative Party, etc., 1957-76

11-18 Campaign for the 48 States, 1955-59

11-19 Caucasian League, 1963

11-2 thru 5 Americans for Constitutional Action, Men Moreell, 1958-76

11-20 Christian Anti-Communist Crusade, Dr. Fred Schwarz, 1960-72

11-21 USCM; Municipal Employee Safety program, 1962

11-22 USCM; What Mayors Want: Policy Positions of the US Conference of Mayors, 1973

11-23 USCM; The Mayor and Economic Opportunity Programs, 1970

11-24 USCM; The Mayor and Manpower, 1970

11-25 USCM; The Mayor and Federal Aid, 1968

11-26 Colburn, Kenneth, Southern Black Mayors: Local Problems and Federal Responses, 1973

11-27 thru 28 USCM; Community Relations Service reports, 1967

11-6 Americans for National Security, 1963-69

11-7 Americas Future Inc., 1957-73

11-8 Anti-Communist League, 1956-61

11-9 Anti-Communist Liaison, 1963-65

1-2 thru 58 National Civil Liberties Clearing House; minutes and meeting material, 1949 May-1965 Mar

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12-1 USCM (United States Conference of Mayors); Community Relations Service reports, 1967

12-11 AFL-CIO; clippings, 1947-61

12-12 CIO Councils; clippings, 1946-60

12-13 thru 14 CIO; clippings, 1947-57

12-2 thru 3 International labor; clippings, reports, 1946-50

12-4 thru 7 Wallace, Henry A.; clippings, reports, 1947-65

12-8 thru 10 Progressive Citizens of America; clippings, 1946-47

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13-1 AFL; clippings, 1947-55

13-12 Intelligence Digest, Kenneth de Courcy, 1957

13-13 thru 14 International Council of Christian Churches; clippings, 1960-75

13-15 thru 16 Katanga Freedom Fighters, American Afro-Asian Educational Exchange, Marvin Liebman, 1961-70

13-17 thru 19 Ku Klux Klan; clippings, 1946-76

13-2 thru 4 Citizens Committee on the Fair Labor Standards Act; correspondence, reports, 1955-59

13-20 Liberty Amendment Committee, Willis E. Stone, National Committee for Economic Freedom, 1958-71

13-5 thru 8 Politics; clippings, 1948-55

13-9 thru 11 International labor, Lovestone; clippings, 1949-65

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14-1 thru 2 Liberty Lobby, 1968-76

14-10 National Association for the Advancement of White People; clippings, 1962-64

14-11 National Association of Pro-America, 1956-59

14-12 National Citizens Protective Association, White Sentinel, 1959

14-13 National Economic Council, Mervin K. Hart, 1956-73

14-14 National Education Program, 1958-73

14-15 National Labor-Management Foundation, 1956-63

14-16 National Renaissance Party, 1957-75

14-17 National Right to Work Committee, 1963-76

14-18 National States Rights Party, 1958-68

14-19 National Youth Alliance, 1969

14-20 Nix in '56, Sally Stratton, 1953-57

14-21 Northern World (Northern Europe), 1951-65

14-22 Philbrick, Herbert A.; Americanism Educational League, Constructive Action, US Anti-Communist Congress, 1965-70

14-23 Right-To-Write Committee, 1960-62

14-24 Smith, Gerald L. K., Sam Cook Jr., 1957-75

14-25 Smoot, Dan, 1958-69

14-26 Southern States Industrial Council, 1957-65

14-27 SPX Research Associates, Col. Tom R. Huttono, 1962

14-28 Unification Church, Rev. Sun Myung Moon, 1974-76

14-29 U.S.A., 1956-63

14-3 Life Lines; clippings, 1960-75

14-30 Virginian, The, William Stephenson, 1956-59

14-31 Walker, General Edwin A., 1961-76

14-32 Women's Voice, We the Mothers Mobilize for America, 1956-64

14-33 We the People!, Council of 100, Free Enterprise Federation, 1955-63

14-34 thru 35 Right wing; clippings, 1956-73

14-36 Right wing project; correspondence, 1956-71

14-4 thru 5 Manion Forum, 1956-75

14-6 Liberty Lobby, Trade Policy Committee, 1960-68

14-7 Liberty and Property Inc., Right, Alert Americans Association, 1956-67

14-8 Minutemen; clippings, 1961-73

14-9 Minute Women; clippings, 1962

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15-1 Group Research Inc.; clippings, correspondence, 1958-75

15-18 Loyalty statements for press releases, 1947-52

15-19 Fund for the Republic, B. Carroll Reece, 1955-61

15-2 Group Investigation Associates, 1965-72

15-3 Institute for American Democracy, 1966-75

15-4 Right wing index draft, 1956

15-5 thru 8 Internal Security Subcommittee (Senate); clippings, 1952-56

15-9 thru 17 Loyalty; clippings, 1947-56

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16-1 Reece, B. Carroll, 1953-55

16-10 Loyalty; clippings, 1956-57

16-11 thru 17 Communists; clippings, 1951-65

16-2 thru 5 HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee); clippings, 1953-63

16-6 thru 9 Subversive Activities Control Board; clippings, 1950-63

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17-1 thru 9 Communists; clippings, 1946-51

17-10 thru 17 Spies; clippings, 1948-67

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18-1 thru 2 Spies; clippings, 1947-48

18-10 thru 16 Civil Rights; clippings, reports, 1949-57

18-17 thru 19 McCarthy, Joseph R.; clippings, 1954-68

18-3 thru 9 Supreme Court of the United States; clippings, 1947-58

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19-1 thru 14 McCarthy, Joseph R.; clippings, 1950-54

19-15 American Flag Committee, W. Henry MacFarland, Jr.; newsletters, clippings, 1967-72

19-16 thru 17 Task Force, Defenders of the American Constitution, 1955-75

19-18 thru 19 Manion Forum, Clarence E. Manion 1957-60

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20-1 thru 8 Manion Forum, Clarence E. Manion, 1961-75

20-10 Cain, Mary, Summit Sun; clippings, Cain editorials, 1956-63

20-11 thru 13 Economic Council Letter, National Economic Council, Inc., 1946-73

20-14 thru 16 National Renaissance Bulletin, National Renaissance Party, James H. Madole, ed., 1953-75

20-17 Liberty Letter, Liberty Lobby, 1963-70

20-9 Dan Smoot Speaks, 1955-63

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21-1 Liberty Letter, Liberty Lobby, 1970-75

21-11 Party platforms, Republican and Democrat, 1932-52

21-12 American Opinion, Robert Welch, 1961 April, May

21-13 Right: The National Journal of Forward-Looking Americanism (also ...Forward-Looking Nationalism, and A Monthly Newsletter Of, by and For the American Rightwing), 1956-60

21-14 Citizen, The, Citizens' Council of America, W.J. Simmons, 1961-63

21-15 Tax Fax pamphlets, The Independent American, 1960-67

21-16 Freeman: Ideas on Liberty, The Foundation for Economic Education, Inc., 1967

21-17 thru 19 America's Future: A Weekly Review of News, Books, and Public Affairs, Rosalie M. Gordon, R.K. Scott, 1962-67

21-2 thru 3 Citizens Foreign Aid Committee News, 1960-67

21-20 Things We "Know" That Are Not So, American Economic Foundation, 1963-67

21-4 "Rightists" Groups, Publications, and Some Individuals in the United States (And Some Foreign Countries), First National Directory of; 2nd-6th editions, published by Liberty and Property, 1955-68

21-5 Homefront, Institute for American Democracy, 1967-69

21-6 thru 8 National Right to Work Committee, 1955-63

21-9 thru 10 Subversive Activities Control Board, 1951-55

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22-1 Behind the Headlines, John Flynn, 1957-59

22-10 Christian Crusade: The National Christian Americanism Monthly, Christian Echoes National Ministry, Inc., Billy James Hargis, L.E. White, 1959-61

22-11 Virginian, The, William Stephenson, Lacy Jeffreys, 1956-58

22-12 CSG Spotlight (Committee for Constitutional Government), 1956-66

22-2 Labor booklets, 1950s-60s

22-3 Communism booklets, 1929-62

22-4 thru 5 Subversive Activities Control Board, Communist Party, 1950-56

22-6 Welch, Robert; American Opinion, One Man's Opinion, The Life of John Birch, 1954, 1956-58

22-7 American Opinion, Robert Welch, 1959

22-8 thru 9 American Mercury, Russell MaGuire, William LaVarre, Natasha Boissevain, Maurine Halliburton, 1958-60

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23-1 Right to Work National Newsletter, 1956-64

23-10 American Progress, Willis E. Stone, 1956-63

23-11 Freedom Magazine, Willis E. Stone, 1963

23-12 thru 13 Freedom Club, First Congregational Church, 1956-72

23-14 Freedom Club Bulletin, James Fifield, Jr., 1956-72

23-15 What's Happening in America?, American Heritage Protective Committee, 1956

23-16 American Heritage Protective Committee, Blue Book for Patriots, 1956

23-17 Greater Nebraskan, The, George J. Thomas, 1958-62

23-18 Cross and the Flag, The, Gerald K. Smith, 1957, 1960

23-19 Hoke, Henry, It's a Secret, 1946

23-2 FEE, Notes From, Foundation for Economic Education, 1956-67

23-20 Martin, Lawrence, Faceless Informers and Our Schools, 1954

23-21 Operation Abolition, National Council of the Churches of Christ, 12961

23-22 Bagdikian, Ben, What Price Security, 1955

23-23 Taft, Robert Alphonso (US Senator-Ohio), 1950s

23-24 Watts, Rowland, The Draftee and Internal Security: A Study of the Army Military Personnel Security Program, n.d.

23-3 Christian Anti-Communism Crusade Newsletter, Dr. Fred Schwarz, 1961-65

23-4 thru 5 Facts Forum, Robert Dedman, 1955-56

23-6 thru 7 USA: An American Bulletin of Fact and Opinion, Alice Widener, 1954-62

23-8 thru 9 Human Events, Frank Hanighen 1955-63

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24-1 Taft-Hartleyism in Southern Textiles: Feudalism With a New Face, 1950

24-10 thru 11 Steel unions; clippings, 1947-65

24-12 Railroad unions; clippings, 1954-65

24-13 Telephone unions; clippings, 1962-64

24-14 International Union of Mines, Mill, and Smelter Workers; clippings, 1947-65

24-15 United Packinghouse Workers; clippings, 1949-59

24-16 Maritime unions; clippings, 1946-65

24-17 thru 19 International Longshoremen's and Warehousemen's Union; clippings, 1947-65

24-2 Internal security, 1950s

24-3 Transport Workers Union; clippings, 1947-63

24-4 Textiles Workers Union of America; clippings, 1947-65

24-5 thru 8 Teamsters; clippings, 1947-63

24-9 Teachers unions; clippings, 1947-60

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25-1 Government unions; clippings, 1947-64

25-12 UAW Convention, PM clippings, 1946

25-13 American Communication Association; clippings, 1952-60

25-2 International Fur and Leatherworkers Union; clippings, 1948-57

25-3 Farm unions; clippings, 1953-61

25-4 Electrical unions; clippings, 1947-65

25-5 Coal unions; clippings, 1952-65

25-6 Building trade unions; clippings, 1947-64

25-7 thru 11 Automobile unions; clippings, 1945-61

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John,

I'm not saying there is anything sinister about Baldinger or that he was the guy with the property Sherry asked about.

Rorke gave a speech at a meeting of the Anti Communist Liaison after his failed bombing raid into Cuba. Baldinger then allegedly met with Rorke several times and given both men's politics, the reasons would be most curious indeed. Maybe there is something in Baldinger's papers, I don't know.

There is also Rorke and Sullivan's communications with an FAA official named Oscar Bakke, Sullivan's out of date medical certificate for flying at the time he was transporting Rorke back to New York, Rorke's connection to the owner of a CIA operated PBY out of Miami, and to a CIA man named Montgomery Luft - all aspects in the months just before both men disappeared.

FWIW.

James

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"... Rorke's connection to the owner of a CIA operated PBY out of Miami, and to a CIA man named Montgomery Luft - all aspects in the months just before both men disappeared. ...'.

James: That was the PBY that was at one time going to be used to remove Eddie Bayo from Cuba. (check Billings background info) The mission failed and Pawley provided a ship to go in a get Bayo and others out off Cuba. that too, failed. (the Thor? or Winder Jammer? been awhile) ( I think Rampart Magazine covered some of this in the mid seventies; "The CIA's Secret Yacht War, by Warren Hinckle) I think Bill Turner might be able to shed a little light on that operation. "Fish are Red", and "Deadly Secrets" come to mind, also.

The PBY was reg to "Texaco Petroleum", and later to, "Atlantic Richfield" One of the pilots who used to fly this PBY, Catalina, was Manuel Rojas a previous "Regina Cuban Air Cargo" pilot. He was earlier with Riddle Airlines back in 1957.

I flew as co-pilot on a few of those early raids into Cuba with Rorke and at one time with Sturges in a C-46 and another in a D-18 Twin Beach, previously (1958-59?) owned by Steve Guthrie. This raid or flight was in early 62 or 63... In 1959 the PBY was used to take some of us off the island of Cuba after a botched landing in a DC-3... FWIW.

Rorke also flew out of a small landing strip near CT "The Sea Spray Inn", which burned down around the sixties, I think. The PBY in question had been retro fitted at one time at LB Smith Aircraft, Miami. (not sure if this was before the BoP or after) It (the PBY) had originally been flown from Maranda Airpark, Tucson to Miami via New Orlanes, as well as two A-26's, which were later used in the BoP and flown by Crispin and Gonzalas in that operation. ( A-26-A or B-26 K; ID N 933 I think it was)

Alex Rorke about this time obtained money from up north (NY) and obtained access to and old navy vessel which became known as the "Raider Ship Rex" and made raids into Cuba from Everglades Fla,. In time this ship became a communications platform for JFK and was berthed near the Kennedy compond at West Palm. Perhaps you already know this, but thought I would bring it up to date for those who might care or be interested in such matters (FWIW)

Now I'll go back under my rock..., I'm not much interested in JFK or Cuba research anymore, to many "Experts" out there.., but I do respect your research and dedication. If you can help Sherry in that regard.., , that would be wonderful.

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John,

I'm not saying there is anything sinister about Baldinger or that he was the guy with the property Sherry asked about.

Rorke gave a speech at a meeting of the Anti Communist Liaison after his failed bombing raid into Cuba. Baldinger then allegedly met with Rorke several times and given both men's politics, the reasons would be most curious indeed. Maybe there is something in Baldinger's papers, I don't know.

There is also Rorke and Sullivan's communications with an FAA official named Oscar Bakke, Sullivan's out of date medical certificate for flying at the time he was transporting Rorke back to New York, Rorke's connection to the owner of a CIA operated PBY out of Miami, and to a CIA man named Montgomery Luft - all aspects in the months just before both men disappeared.

FWIW.

James

My take is that Baldinger was the left-wing equivalent of a Sarah McClendon in the typical Spy-vs-Spy, Left vs. Right counter

intelligence detection, mis-direction and defection subterfuges which were always going on between those two sides. In fact Baldinger is one of only 2 or 3 possible sources for all the information which was given to Richard Condon to be used in The Manchurian Candidate to write his "historical novel". The other one, of course, is John Roy Carlson who wrote "Undercover" and the NY Times Best Seller for

1944 called "Under Cover" assuming Carlson was still alive then which I believe he was in fact. (Carlson was really Armen Dernounian I think it was spelled.)

Now that I take a closer look at those people Baldinger had files on, I think he is even more a more likely choice than Carlson/Dernounian.

Baldiner is one of the only ones who ever followed and spied upon the likes of Major George Rackey Jordan from 1956-1963. Notice

how many people had files running up to 1963-64 collected by Baldinger and then he just stopped collecting info after JFK was killed by them? He was onto The Congress of Freedom where Milteer and Somersett had their taped conversations, The Consitituion Party of

Gerald L K Smith and Col. Wm. Potter Gale from California and a bunch of other Manchurian Candidate cronies and bastidges.

Just take a look at Baldinger's short list of villains:

9-26 Defenders of American Liberties, Robert Morris, 1962-64

9-27 Defenders of the American Constitution, 1956-75 General Pedro A. del Valle who was a constant Draper correspondent

9-29 Appeal to Reason, The, Lawrence Dennis, 1957-62 One of the few black Nazis in the history of that movement

9-3 Human Events; clippings, correspondence, 1957-73 The paper sponsored by Wickliffe P. Draper and Frank Hanighen

9-30 Facts Forum, 1954-62 This was Dan Smoot a former FBI man from Texas (Tim Smoot his son

attended college with me as a matter of fact.)

9-31 Fascists, 1947-66 Gee, only 20 years chasing down these Nazi bastidges.

10-10 Institute for American Strategy, 1961-71 These guys were written up in my ManCand internet document.

Kintner and a bunch of other Nazi bastidges

Just about every group or person on Baldinger's lists had something to do with JFK's demise.

9-5 Citizens Committee for a Free Cuba, Spruille Braden, 1966-68

9-6 thru 7 Citizens Councils; clippings, 1954-73 These are The White Citizens Councils

9-8 Citizens Foreign Aid Committee, 1958-67

9-9 Citizens Foreign Relations Committee, Committee of Endorsers, 1956-62

10-11 thru 12 Christian Crusade, Billy James Hargis, 1961-76 Baldinger had a particular interest in the ACL of Willoughby,

Hargis, Rorke, McClendon and Edward Hunter

10-13 Church League of America, Major Edgar C. Bundy, 1955-67

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Typing too fast: (correcting typos)

Now that I take a closer look at those people Baldinger had files on, I think he is even more a more likely choice than Carlson/Dernounian.

Baldinger is one of the only ones who ever followed and spied upon the likes of Major George "Racey" Jordan from 1956-1963. Notice

how many people had files running up to 1963-64 collected by Baldinger and then he just stopped collecting info after JFK was killed by them? He was onto The Congress of Freedom where Milteer and Somersett had their taped conversations, The Consitituion Party of

Gerald L. K. Smith and Col. Wm. Potter Gale from California and a bunch of other Manchurian Candidate cronies and bastidges.

Most of you will not want to hear this, but if you want to know who really killed JFK just look at Wilbur Baldinger's watch lists and Richard

Condon's novel, The Manchurian Candidate, plus John Roy Carlson's books and you will have the whole bunch of bastidges delineated and defined and aligned to perpetuity. Add in Russ Bellant's works, and the work of Mae Brussell, Bill Turner and David Emory plus the

4-5 books by Epstein and Forster and you will have it all in one neat package. Do not forget Inside the League by Jon and Scott

Anderson either about the World Anti-Communist League, plus The Russian Fascists by John Roy Carlson and all the recent works

by about Wickliffe Preston Draper since 1994. The whole world only figured out Draper by the 21st Century and I am proud to say

that I was the main driving force behind the entire plot to expose Draper and The Pioneer Fund and their campaigns against humanity.

Get the files from Group Watch in Washington, DC another research think tank sponsored by the AFL-CIO and UAW intelligence gathering groups. These guys were powerless against the likes of Morris, Willoughby, Draper, Angleton, Cline and Buckley though.

Totally powerless. Especially when they had the likes of Thurmond, Helms, Eastland, Tower, Goldwater and company were on their side.

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Here is a link to the PBY aircraft site on Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBY

I never knew what the heck a PBY actually was. PB stands for Patrol Bomber and the letter Y was assigned to Consolidated Aircraft.

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This is Sherry Sullivan, daughter to Geoffrey Sullivan who disappeared with Alexander Rorke in 1963. My father and Alex had a secret meeting by driving from Waterbury Connecticut to somewhere along the coast, perhaps New Haven area. This occurred in the summer of 1963. They first drove to a mansion with guarded gates, went inside, then were escorted onto a boat for a secret meeting at sea. I've done some researching on who may have owned this type of property at that time. It must have been someone high up in the ranks. Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated. My new email is sassully@roadrunner.com

Hi Sherry,

May I suggest you check out Wilbur Baldinger?

James

Can you tell us more about Wilbur Baldinger and his conversations/meetings with Alex Rorke and what you think the significance

of these meetings might be?

Wilbur Baldinger worked with Wes McCuen from Group Research, Inc. in Washington, DC which was an intel gathering operation

funded by UAW and the Reuthers. They published periodic monographs on their anti-Union foes, their organizations and associates

and their publications. They paid particular attention to some of my suspects and orgs involved with the JFK assassination like

ACL Comm of Correspondence, Intl Assoc for the Adv of Eugenics and Ethnology (IAAEE) the Draper Group, The John Birch Society,

and almost the entire list of Richard Condon's suspects including Major George Racey Jordan who was not followed by anyone else

I am aware of in fact except maybe ADL of B'nai B'rith and Epstein and Forster.

It turns out that Baldinger and McCuen helped prepare The Reuther Memorandum in 1961 and that these two may have been the

main source of information for Richard Condon as he wrote The Manchurian Candidate, in my honest opinion.

In August of 1963 a Kennedy aide named Myer Feldman joined with Senator Gale McGee from Wyoming in issuing a joint recommendation to JFK that he should launch another series of broadsides against The John Birch Society and the right wing in general

using the FCC, the IRS, the U.S. Post Office and other federal agencies to limit the ability of the far right to ply their trade at the

expense of U.S. taxpayers.

Now here is how this attack on the right and Baldinger's contact(s) with Alex Rorke might fit in with this entire scenario:

1) Someone on the far right became aware of Rorke's contact(s) with Baldinger (either clandestine or witting) and in a paranoid

over-reaction decided to terminate Rorke with prejudice due to the recent presence of multiple recent security breeches involving the

anti-Castro community in South Florida.

2) Senator Gale McGhee from Wyoming and Myer Feldman issued their anti-John Birch, and anti-Right Wing manifestos simultaneously in August of 1963 and both of these documents hit JFK's desk courtesy of Myer Feldman. Rorke and Sullivan disappeared in August

of 1963 as well, if I remember correctly. And both the Cubans and the Birchers realized that their operations in Miami had been

severely compromised by some unknown penetration agent or agents. Rorke was in all likelihood NOT the guilty culprit by the way.

There is nothing else to indicate that Rorke had turned informant on both his Birch, ACL Comm of Correspondence and anti-Castro

Cuban exile associates by the way.

3) Since Alex Rorke was very active in The John Birch Society, the leadership most likely then decided to scuttle the plans to allow the anti-Castro exiles in Miami to launch their long planned attempt on JFK in mid-November and then switched their assassination plans to Dallas where the likes of Willoughby, Morris, Walker, Hunt, etc. would be in much better control of the entire situation.

4) At about the same time the Miami PD Intel Division became aware of the Joseph Milteer tape recordings made by Willie Somersett

and they also turned up the heat in Miami, going as far as abandoning the motorcade from Miami Intl Airport to Biscayne Blvd a distance

of perhaps 8-10 miles on Tamiami Trail which is S.W. 8th Street, right through the heart of what was already known as Little Havana.

JFK would probably never have completed this motorcade. The Miami PD realized that protecting him for this entire distance would

have been futile. I personally discussed these issues with both members of the Miami PD and people like SOFs Gerry Hemming and

Roy Hargraves and several others. Their WAS going to be a motorcade in Miami and it WAS cancelled for security reasons despite

what people like Grodie Whineslow have to say about this. Quite frankly, Whineslow and his friend Vilhelm Belly can not be trusted or believed on anything. Nothing. Nothing at all. Ever. Marita Lorenz was telling the truth and they tried to make her out to be a xxxx.

And for some reason, that guy Gaeton Fonzi sided with them on the Lorenz issue as well. Shame on him. Shame on all of them.

5) After the death of JFK the efforts of Senator Gale McGee, Wilbur Baldinger, Myer Feldman and Wes McCuen plus the "ruthless"

Reuther brothers against the Birch Society and the far right were scrapped entirely since they no longer had the auspices of the offices of JFK to utilize.

And the rest is history.

Author: Jonathan Schoenwald

Title: A Time for Choosing: The Rise of Modern American Conservatism

http://www.abebooks.com

Priced from $3 to $10 a copy. Get this book. And read it. This guy Schoenwald knows what he is talking about and

he touches briefly on the subject of Rorke and Baldinger, too. He also is spot on regarding the McGee Memo as well.

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So now the plot thickens even further. If I am reading the fuzzy antecedents below correctly, Rorke himself (and/or Billingsley perhaps) were friendly with and had allegiances to Kennedy. The author, a D C McJonathan-Swarm, implies that this is the reason why the CIA got involved with the disappearance of Rorke and his pilot Geoffrey Sullivan in late September, 1963.

And yet I am told that Rorke was a true John Bircher (or a John Birch penetration agent) who was active in many anti-Communist causes

over the years. And Rorke was with Army Intelligence during World War II and NOT the OSS/CIA. This would explain his associations

with Maj. Gen. Charles Willoughby, Edward Hunter and Sarah McClendon who tried to get into Army Intel during World War II but was rejected apparently.

Just imagine what would be going through your mind if you were either Willoughby, McClendon, or the head of Alpha 66 or the

30th of November Movement and you found out that Rorke was seen talking with Wilbur Baldinger from Group Research, Inc. the

intel gathering agency of the Reuther brothers, authors of The Reuther Memorandum. Everyone at UAW was on the case of The

John Birch Society and looking to get them out of the picture entirely once and for all. And if you were planning covert operations

against JFK or even his murder, like Alpha 66, the Bay of Pigs veterans and 30th of November Movement apparently were at that time and you found out that Rorke and/or Billingsley were FRIENDS of JFK what would you be thinking? Right! Rorke has got to go. Now! There is no way that Rorke and Willoughby would not have known about operations in South Florida planned by the Cuban exiles. Plus all the plans of The John Birch Society, where Willoughby was a prominent strategist, to counter the efforts of the Reuther brothers, the ADL, Senator Gale McGee and Myer Feldman, JFK's staff member.

Rather than risk further security breeches and the scuttling of the murder plot against JFK in Miami or elsewhere I am sure that if I were

either Willoughby or Robert J. Morris or any leader of a South Florida Cuban exile group, I would have had to give the thumbs down on

Rorke in a heartbeat. Especially with all the recent bad luck befalling the likes of various South Florida anti-Castro groups. When you add in the rampant paranoia about the heat being exerted on The John Birchers by Senator McGhee of Wyoming, Wilbur Baldinger, Wes McCuen, Myer Feldman, a Kennedy aide who had numerous ADL contacts, and the Reuther brothers from UAW, too. Even Dr. Fred Scwarz would have cast that ballot against Rorke in a heartbeat. Molina and Sullivan were just innocent bystanders in that entire

plot against Rorke.

The JFK plot was allowed to be nurtured and developed and the only change was the venue. It moved from Miami to Dallas after the motorcade in Miami was cancelled due to other security breeches.

Here are some more Rorke photos from the piece by D C McJonathan-Swarm attached below.

Birth: Aug. 9, 1926

Manhattan

New York County

New York, USA

Death: Sep. 24, 1963

husband of Jacqueline Billingsley. Son of Alexander Rorke a New York City Assistant District Attorney and later a New York State Appellate Judge. A graduate of St. John's University and a student of the Georgetown University School of Foreign Service. He served as a military intelligence specialist in the U.S. Army during World War II. He was responsible for the security of five German provinces and participated in the capture of SS men and the first postwar roundup of Communist agents in the Allied military zones of Germany. His plane, flown by commercial pilot Geoffery Sullivan, disappeared on 24 September 1963 enroute to Cuba just two months before the Kennedy assassination. His father-in-law, Sherman Billingsley, held a press conference at the Stork club offering a $25,000 reward for his return with that of his pilot. It was rumored that the CIA was involved because of his friendship with and allegiance to Kennedy. In 1975 the CIA described him a "former witting collaborator (relationship terminated)." J Edgar Hoover wrote "No. I do not want in any way to get involved in this....H" on papers pertaining to correspondence and inquires by Billingsley. He was declared legally dead in 1968.

Burial:

Body lost or destroyed

Specifically: plane disappeared enroute to Cuba

Created by: D C McJonathan-Swarm

Record added: Nov 09, 2004

Find A Grave Memorial# 9788603

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Please note all the groups or persons who showed up in The Manchurian Candidate by Richard Condon....

9-17 Committee of the States, 1969-73

9-18 Congress of Freedom, 1956-66

9-19 Constitution Party of the USA, 1956-66

9-26 Defenders of American Liberties, Robert Morris, 1962-64

9-27 Defenders of the American Constitution, 1956-75 Gen. Pedro A. del Valle

9-29 Appeal to Reason, The, Lawrence Dennis, 1957-62

9-3 Human Events; clippings, correspondence, 1957-73

10-10 Institute for American Strategy, Franz Straus-Hupe 1961-71

10-11 thru 12 Christian Crusade, Billy James Hargis, 1961-76

10-18 American Coalition (of Patriotic Societies), 1956-65 Draper front organization and The Pioneer Fund MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

10-2 For America, (Bonner Fellers) 1956-73 MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

11-16 thru 17 Buckly, William F. Jr., Young Americans for Freedom, Conservative Party, etc., 1957-76 MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

11-18 Campaign for the 48 States, 1955-59

11-2 thru 5 Americans for Constitutional Action, Men Moreell, 1958-76

11-20 Christian Anti-Communist Crusade, Dr. Fred Schwarz, 1960-72

11-16 thru 17 Buckly, William F. Jr., MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE Young Americans for Freedom, Conservative Party, etc., 1957-76

11-18 Campaign for the 48 States, 1955-59

11-2 thru 5 Americans for Constitutional Action, Admiral Benjamin Moreell, 1958-76

11-20 Christian Anti-Communist Crusade, Dr. Fred Schwarz, 1960-72

11-8 (World) Anti-Communist League, 1956-61

11-9 Anti-Communist Liaison, 1963-65 Willoughby, Rorke, Hunter MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

14-22 Philbrick, Herbert A.; Americanism Educational League, Constructive Action, US Anti-Communist Congress, 1965-70

14-23 Right-To-Write Committee, 1960-62

14-24 Smith, Gerald L. K. MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, Sam Cook Jr., 1957-75

14-25 Smoot, Dan, 1958-69

14-26 Southern States Industrial Council, 1957-65

14-28 Unification Church, Rev. Sun Myung Moon, 1974-76

14-29 U.S.A., 1956-63

14-3 Life Lines; clippings, 1960-75

14-30 Virginian, The, William Stephenson, 1956-59

14-31 Walker, General Edwin A., MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE 1961-76

14-32 Women's Voice, We the Mothers Mobilize for America, MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE 1956-64

14-33 We the People!, Council of 100, Free Enterprise Federation, 1955-63

20-1 thru 8 Manion Forum, Clarence E. Manion, 1961-75

20-10 Cain, Mary, Summit Sun; clippings, Cain editorials, 1956-63

20-11 thru 13 Economic Council Letter, National Economic Council, Inc., 1946-73

20-14 thru 16 National Renaissance Bulletin, National Renaissance Party, James H. Madole, ed., See Edward Mavole in MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE 1953-75

20-17 Liberty Letter, Liberty Lobby, 1963-70 MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

20-9 Dan Smoot Speaks, 1955-63

22-7 American Opinion, Robert Welch, 1959 MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

22-8 thru 9 American Mercury, MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE Russell MaGuire, William LaVarre, Natasha Boissevain, Maurine Halliburton, 1958-60

[box 23]

23-1 Right to Work National Newsletter, 1956-64

23-10 American Progress, Willis E. Stone, 1956-63

23-15 What's Happening in America?, American Heritage Protective Committee, 1956

23-16 American Heritage Protective Committee, Blue Book for Patriots, 1956

23-18 Cross and the Flag, The, Gerald K. Smith, 1957, 1960 MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

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Can you tell us more about Wilbur Baldinger and his conversations/meetings with Alex Rorke and what you think the significance

of these meetings might be? (John Bevilaqua)

John,

Unfortunately, I don't know a whole lot here but one would be correct in thinking, as you have done, that the reasons would be of quite some interest for JFK researchers.

Baldinger was known to Agency man Montgomery Luft, as was Rorke, and being able to uncover some background on Luft may bear some very juicy fruit. In addition, Luft was a frequent visitor to South Florida and had some curious connections down there including one with Col. William Bishop.

He also had tenticles into the Baltimore private intel group and by extention into Montreal via our old friend Robert Emmett Johnson. Interesting circle of associations indeed.

Luft is a character that has yet to surface in the JFK mileau but if one is persistent and can get a handle on him, many of the questions we seek may be answered.

FWIW.

James

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Can you tell us more about Wilbur Baldinger and his conversations/meetings with Alex Rorke and what you think the significance

of these meetings might be? (John Bevilaqua)

John,

Unfortunately, I don't know a whole lot here but one would be correct in thinking, as you have done, that the reasons would be of quite some interest for JFK researchers.

Baldinger was known to Agency man Montgomery Luft, as was Rorke, and being able to uncover some background on Luft may bear some very juicy fruit. In addition, Luft was a frequent visitor to South Florida and had some curious connections down there including one with Col. William Bishop.

He also had tenticles into the Baltimore private intel group and by extention into Montreal via our old friend Robert Emmett Johnson. Interesting circle of associations indeed.

Luft is a character that has yet to surface in the JFK mileau but if one is persistent and can get a handle on him, many of the questions we seek may be answered.

FWIW.

James

My first cut attempt at understanding the Baldinger-to-Rorke connections and Rorke's role with Willoughby, Hunter and Hargis at ACL-Comm of Correspondence could be summarized thusly:

1) I could not imagine that people like Willoughby, Hargis, Hunter and McClendon would ever allow Rorke into their inner circles

without first checking out his bona fides to the ultimate degree. He was with Army Intel during World War II and his bio and

credentials were well known to this security sensitive group of mostly former Army Intel types.

2) However, the South Florida anti-Castro types were not quite as sophisticated in the world of counter-intelligence and they could

easily have over-reacted and pointed the guilty finger at Rorke for many of their recently interrupted operations and all the raids against

their launch attempts from South Florida into Cuba.

3) If Rorke or Billingsley were really JFK confidantes and his secret allies, then these suspicions would only intensify especially when

considering possible discussions or meetings among the Cubans and their gringo friends including various SOFs, contract pilots and miscellaneous mercenaries. For the most part these raids were the result of JFK and RFK turning up the heat on South Florida

anti-Castro activities while they were simultaneously planning to put into effect both The Reuther Memorandum and the McGhee

memorandum in an attempt to wipe the John Birch Society off the face of the earth.

4) The anti-Castro Cubans might have acted to sabotage Rorke's plane or his mission in order to remove what they perceived as

a security leak within their own organizations. This may or may not have been rationally and thoroughly justified, but this would not

have prevented some of the more extreme leaders from acting in a pre-emptive strike against Rorke.

5) Without a doubt, the Dallas John Birchers, moved the assassination venue from Miami to Dallas after various rumors of planned attacks against JFK in Miami by both Joe Milteer and the anti-Castro exiles became well know to the Miami PD. Milter was a very close friend of James H. Mavole in the American Nazi Party, and several others involved with both the NSRP and the KKK. Condon refers

to a Edward Madole in Manchurian Candidate.

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"... Rorke's connection to the owner of a CIA operated PBY out of Miami, and to a CIA man named Montgomery Luft - all aspects in the months just before both men disappeared. ...'.

James: That was the PBY that was at one time going to be used to remove Eddie Bayo from Cuba. (check Billings background info) The mission failed and Pawley provided a ship to go in a get Bayo and others out off Cuba. that too, failed. (the Thor? or Winder Jammer? been awhile) ( I think Rampart Magazine covered some of this in the mid seventies; "The CIA's Secret Yacht War, by Warren Hinckle) I think Bill Turner might be able to shed a little light on that operation. "Fish are Red", and "Deadly Secrets" come to mind, also.

The PBY was reg to "Texaco Petroleum", and later to, "Atlantic Richfield" One of the pilots who used to fly this PBY, Catalina, was Manuel Rojas a previous "Regina Cuban Air Cargo" pilot. He was earlier with Riddle Airlines back in 1957.

I flew as co-pilot on a few of those early raids into Cuba with Rorke and at one time with Sturges in a C-46 and another in a D-18 Twin Beach, previously (1958-59?) owned by Steve Guthrie. This raid or flight was in early 62 or 63... In 1959 the PBY was used to take some of us off the island of Cuba after a botched landing in a DC-3... FWIW.

Rorke also flew out of a small landing strip near CT "The Sea Spray Inn", which burned down around the sixties, I think. The PBY in question had been retro fitted at one time at LB Smith Aircraft, Miami. (not sure if this was before the BoP or after) It (the PBY) had originally been flown from Maranda Airpark, Tucson to Miami via New Orlanes, as well as two A-26's, which were later used in the BoP and flown by Crispin and Gonzalas in that operation. ( A-26-A or B-26 K; ID N 933 I think it was)

Alex Rorke about this time obtained money from up north (NY) and obtained access to and old navy vessel which became known as the "Raider Ship Rex" and made raids into Cuba from Everglades Fla,. In time this ship became a communications platform for JFK and was berthed near the Kennedy compond at West Palm. Perhaps you already know this, but thought I would bring it up to date for those who might care or be interested in such matters (FWIW)

Now I'll go back under my rock..., I'm not much interested in JFK or Cuba research anymore, to many "Experts" out there.., but I do respect your research and dedication. If you can help Sherry in that regard.., , that would be wonderful.

Tosh,

Thanks for the info on the PBY. Muchly appreciated.

The Manuel Rojas you mentioned, could that have been Carlos Rojas?

This photo below shows Carlos Rojas.

Cheers,

James

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"... Rorke's connection to the owner of a CIA operated PBY out of Miami, and to a CIA man named Montgomery Luft - all aspects in the months just before both men disappeared. ...'.

James: That was the PBY that was at one time going to be used to remove Eddie Bayo from Cuba. (check Billings background info) The mission failed and Pawley provided a ship to go in a get Bayo and others out off Cuba. that too, failed. (the Thor? or Winder Jammer? been awhile) ( I think Rampart Magazine covered some of this in the mid seventies; "The CIA's Secret Yacht War, by Warren Hinckle) I think Bill Turner might be able to shed a little light on that operation. "Fish are Red", and "Deadly Secrets" come to mind, also.

The PBY was reg to "Texaco Petroleum", and later to, "Atlantic Richfield" One of the pilots who used to fly this PBY, Catalina, was Manuel Rojas a previous "Regina Cuban Air Cargo" pilot. He was earlier with Riddle Airlines back in 1957.

I flew as co-pilot on a few of those early raids into Cuba with Rorke and at one time with Sturges in a C-46 and another in a D-18 Twin Beach, previously (1958-59?) owned by Steve Guthrie. This raid or flight was in early 62 or 63... In 1959 the PBY was used to take some of us off the island of Cuba after a botched landing in a DC-3... FWIW.

Rorke also flew out of a small landing strip near CT "The Sea Spray Inn", which burned down around the sixties, I think. The PBY in question had been retro fitted at one time at LB Smith Aircraft, Miami. (not sure if this was before the BoP or after) It (the PBY) had originally been flown from Maranda Airpark, Tucson to Miami via New Orlanes, as well as two A-26's, which were later used in the BoP and flown by Crispin and Gonzalas in that operation. ( A-26-A or B-26 K; ID N 933 I think it was)

Alex Rorke about this time obtained money from up north (NY) and obtained access to and old navy vessel which became known as the "Raider Ship Rex" and made raids into Cuba from Everglades Fla,. In time this ship became a communications platform for JFK and was berthed near the Kennedy compond at West Palm. Perhaps you already know this, but thought I would bring it up to date for those who might care or be interested in such matters (FWIW)

Now I'll go back under my rock..., I'm not much interested in JFK or Cuba research anymore, to many "Experts" out there.., but I do respect your research and dedication. If you can help Sherry in that regard.., , that would be wonderful.

Tosh,

Thanks for the info on the PBY. Muchly appreciated.

The Manuel Rojas you mentioned, could that have been Carlos Rojas?

This photo below shows Carlos Rojas.

Cheers,

James

Yes James, I believe he was aka as "Carlos", but that was during the days before Castro's Revolution (1958-59...., ( interesting backstory here: Carlos's daughter was said to have been murdered at the "Humboldt Apartment Complex", in Havana, 1958, because of a Batista informats, actions.... ref; M-26-7; Joe Westbrook, ?Chomone, and others, reference the Havana Place Attack ) It is rumored that " Carlos" traced down and found the informat some years later. Carlos captured the one he thought responsible, a man known as, "Marquesto ". Carlos threw him, "Marquesto", out of the back of a C-46 halfway between Cuba and Florida. ...It is said Carlos tracked Marquesto from Cuba to southern Florida for four years)

It would be nice to confirm or have the above story confirmed by the relatives of Rojas as to Carlos and his later JM WAVE activities of the sixties, if their one in the same...???.

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"... Rorke's connection to the owner of a CIA operated PBY out of Miami, and to a CIA man named Montgomery Luft - all aspects in the months just before both men disappeared. ...'.

James: That was the PBY that was at one time going to be used to remove Eddie Bayo from Cuba. (check Billings background info) The mission failed and Pawley provided a ship to go in a get Bayo and others out off Cuba. that too, failed. (the Thor? or Winder Jammer? been awhile) ( I think Rampart Magazine covered some of this in the mid seventies; "The CIA's Secret Yacht War, by Warren Hinckle) I think Bill Turner might be able to shed a little light on that operation. "Fish are Red", and "Deadly Secrets" come to mind, also.

The PBY was reg to "Texaco Petroleum", and later to, "Atlantic Richfield" One of the pilots who used to fly this PBY, Catalina, was Manuel Rojas a previous "Regina Cuban Air Cargo" pilot. He was earlier with Riddle Airlines back in 1957.

I flew as co-pilot on a few of those early raids into Cuba with Rorke and at one time with Sturges in a C-46 and another in a D-18 Twin Beach, previously (1958-59?) owned by Steve Guthrie. This raid or flight was in early 62 or 63... In 1959 the PBY was used to take some of us off the island of Cuba after a botched landing in a DC-3... FWIW.

Rorke also flew out of a small landing strip near CT "The Sea Spray Inn", which burned down around the sixties, I think. The PBY in question had been retro fitted at one time at LB Smith Aircraft, Miami. (not sure if this was before the BoP or after) It (the PBY) had originally been flown from Maranda Airpark, Tucson to Miami via New Orlanes, as well as two A-26's, which were later used in the BoP and flown by Crispin and Gonzalas in that operation. ( A-26-A or B-26 K; ID N 933 I think it was)

Alex Rorke about this time obtained money from up north (NY) and obtained access to and old navy vessel which became known as the "Raider Ship Rex" and made raids into Cuba from Everglades Fla,. In time this ship became a communications platform for JFK and was berthed near the Kennedy compond at West Palm. Perhaps you already know this, but thought I would bring it up to date for those who might care or be interested in such matters (FWIW)

Now I'll go back under my rock..., I'm not much interested in JFK or Cuba research anymore, to many "Experts" out there.., but I do respect your research and dedication. If you can help Sherry in that regard.., , that would be wonderful.

Tosh,

Thanks for the info on the PBY. Muchly appreciated.

The Manuel Rojas you mentioned, could that have been Carlos Rojas?

This photo below shows Carlos Rojas.

Cheers,

James

Yes James, I believe he was aka as "Carlos", but that was during the days before Castro's Revolution (1958-59...., ( interesting backstory here: Carlos's daughter was said to have been murdered at the "Humboldt Apartment Complex", in Havana, 1958, because of a Batista informats, actions.... ref; M-26-7; Joe Westbrook, ?Chomone, and others, reference the Havana Place Attack ) It is rumored that " Carlos" traced down and found the informat some years later. Carlos captured the one he thought responsible, a man known as, "Marquesto ". Carlos threw him, "Marquesto", out of the back of a C-46 halfway between Cuba and Florida. ...It is said Carlos tracked Marquesto from Cuba to southern Florida for four years)

It would be nice to confirm or have the above story confirmed by the relatives of Rojas as to Carlos and his later JM WAVE activities of the sixties, if their one in the same...???.

P.S. in reference to Texaco PBY. On each side of the cockpit, painted below the windows, was a small painted art logo.., like a patch; It was a, "Black Cat" with a "Red Bird", in its mouth setting on a gree tree limb withjn a round yellow background. Anyone familiar with this logo?

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