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Ian Punnett welcomed award-winning investigative reporter Russ Baker, who discussed the connections between the Bush family and the intelligence community, as well as startling evidence that shed new light on the JFK assassination and Watergate. According to his research, George H.W. Bush's affiliation with the CIA began as far back as 1953, as opposed to Bush's "official" joining of the organization in 1976. Two elements that led him to this conclusion were that Bush was briefed on the JFK assassination by the CIA on the day after Kennedy's murder and he also appeared to be using his oil company to set up "fronts" for the intelligence agency around the world.

However, Baker said, these CIA outlets were merely part of a larger agenda driven by wealthy elites who have designs on shaping the world to their end. Stressing that the Bush family are merely players in this group of power brokers, Baker said, "they're not the guys running the thing. They are just operatives." He dismissed the notion that it is an organized group, suggesting that it is more of a collection of like-minded, powerful people working together to consolidate their power. "It's not this absolute club or anything like that," Baker explained, "you're talking about a mindset." Ultimately, he expressed concern that this coterie continues to exert its power, "I think what we're looking at is a very sensitive and fragile situation that perpetuates to this day."

He suggested that the Watergate scandal was one historic event that this faction, including George H.W. Bush (who was head of the RNC at the time), played a hand in orchestrating. Baker put forth the idea that Richard Nixon, previously put into power by these elites, had begun to move away from their influence. As such, the Watergate event was developed as a means to drive Nixon out of office in a "cleaner" fashion than they had eliminated JFK. According to Baker, this explains why the break-in seemed so poorly done, how the story ended up in the press, and why Nixon was so befuddled by what had happened. "It's almost like a rolling coup d'etat," he observed, "when you're in these permanent bureaucracies, you don't have a lot of use for these elected presidents. They're an annoyance and a problem for you."

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Ian Punnett welcomed award-winning investigative reporter Russ Baker, who discussed the connections between the Bush family and the intelligence community, as well as startling evidence that shed new light on the JFK assassination and Watergate. According to his research, George H.W. Bush's affiliation with the CIA began as far back as 1953, as opposed to Bush's "official" joining of the organization in 1976. Two elements that led him to this conclusion were that Bush was briefed on the JFK assassination by the CIA on the day after Kennedy's murder and he also appeared to be using his oil company to set up "fronts" for the intelligence agency around the world.

However, Baker said, these CIA outlets were merely part of a larger agenda driven by wealthy elites who have designs on shaping the world to their end. Stressing that the Bush family are merely players in this group of power brokers, Baker said, "they're not the guys running the thing. They are just operatives." He dismissed the notion that it is an organized group, suggesting that it is more of a collection of like-minded, powerful people working together to consolidate their power. "It's not this absolute club or anything like that," Baker explained, "you're talking about a mindset." Ultimately, he expressed concern that this coterie continues to exert its power, "I think what we're looking at is a very sensitive and fragile situation that perpetuates to this day."

He suggested that the Watergate scandal was one historic event that this faction, including George H.W. Bush (who was head of the RNC at the time), played a hand in orchestrating. Baker put forth the idea that Richard Nixon, previously put into power by these elites, had begun to move away from their influence. As such, the Watergate event was developed as a means to drive Nixon out of office in a "cleaner" fashion than they had eliminated JFK. According to Baker, this explains why the break-in seemed so poorly done, how the story ended up in the press, and why Nixon was so befuddled by what had happened. "It's almost like a rolling coup d'etat," he observed, "when you're in these permanent bureaucracies, you don't have a lot of use for these elected presidents. They're an annoyance and a problem for you."

Thanks for that summary. Seems to support the thesis I have been developing for the last year or so and the one that Antonin Chaitkin and Webster Tarpley have been developing since the mid-1980's. Linda Minor got onto that case about 2000 so I guess Russ Baker and I are the Johnny-come-latelys on this one, too. Strange as it may seem my analysis of the members of the wedding party at the Taft-Draper in their 1917 wedding started me in this direction. On the JFK Assassination Forum look for terms like "drug-lords", "Taft-Draper" and Clipper Ships and you can all trace back my recent research on these subjects.

My major contribution to understanding this group of "Illuminati" who used Yale's Skull and Bones Society as their breeding ground

for future world leaders, was to make certain that the Eugenics aspect was fully covered. The Farish, Gray, Bush and Draper families are the best examples. And they were not beyond using Mind Control and Assassinations to get their way either when just raw Eugenics did not get the job done fast enough.

When I used to read about the "Illuminati" and the "Skull and Bones" crowd at Yale and their sympathy with the Waffen SS, I sort of blanched and turned the other way, but now... I am all ears once again.

It is good to see someone like a Russ Baker get onto this "power elite" case, but it may well be too little, too late. Check out

http://www.tarpley.net and read Chapter 7 of the Bush family saga. And check out the Draper Wedding links I placed on the JFK forum, too. This cabal of monopolistic merchant-bankers and military-industrial warmongerers goes back to the British East India Company who used their Clipper Ships to traffic in slaves, drugs, tea, spices, cotton, tobacco and sugar. And when they realized that fruit could not survive a trans-Atlantic journey they set up various Banana Republic slave plantations to grow fruit and sugar first for the Prestons and the Drapers as Boston Fruit and later for United Fruit and the Cabots, the Forbes, the Dulles', the Coolidges and the Prestons.

The Drapers used slave labor first to run Cotton slave plantations, then later the Textile Mills owned by Company Towns which were little more than modified slave labor camps. When Lincoln messed up their cotton plantations, they turned to the Banana slave labor camps and then when FDR ruined their company town textile mills by passing Social Security and supporting unions they tried to kill him in the Smedley Butler coup attempt. When JFK messed with their profits by raising taxes, passing OSHA, supporting unions and lobbying for Civil Rights in the South as evidenced by "Ole Miss" and interfering with their profit motive for the Viet Nam war, that was the last straw. He was put on their "hit list" and was summarily tried and executed without a trial.

As L. Fletcher Prouty once said: "I guess we taught him a thing or two."

Or as GLK Smith once said: "The Kennedys are nothing but whore-mongering, whisky swigging fake Catholics, who want to take this country away from the God-fearing, White Christian American Patriots just like you and me and give it over on a silver platter to all the Spics, the Niggras and the Kikes."

And the rest is history.

Here is the Unauthorized Biography of George H. W. Bush as in George Herbert Walker Bush from G. H. Walker, Laird as in Melvin Laird

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

Read it now or forever hold your peace.

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What does all of the following, taken together, really mean? Who knows...because it's still a puzzle, and the following are pieces of the puzzle, and they happen to fit together, like pieces in a jig-saw puzzle.:

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

Chapter - II - The Hitler Project

...The Flick-Harriman partnership was directly supervised by Prescott Bush, President Bush's father, and by George Walker, President Bush's grandfather.

The Harriman-Walker Union Banking Corp. arrangements for the German Steel Trust had made them bankers for Flick and his vast operations in Germany by no later than 1926.

The Harriman Fifteen Corporation (George Walker, president, Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman, sole directors) held a substantial stake in the Silesian Holding Co. at the time of the merger with Brown Brothers, Jan. 1, 1931. This holding correlated to Averell Harriman's chairmanship of the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, the American group owning one-third of a complex of steel-making, coal-mining and zinc-mining activities in Germany and Poland, in which Friedrich Flick owned two-thirds.

The Nuremberg prosecutor characterized Flick as follows:

`` Proprietor and head of a large group of industrial enterprises (coal and iron mines, steel producing and fabricating plants) ... `Wehrwirtschaftsfuh@aurer', 1938 [title awarded to prominent industrialists for merit in armaments drive--`Military Economy Leader'].... '

For this buildup of the Hitler war machine with coal, steel and arms production, using slave laborers, the Nazi Flick was condemned to seven years in prison at the Nuremberg trials; he served three years. With friends in New York and London, however, Flick lived into the 1970s and died a billionaire.

On March 19, 1934, Prescott Bush--then director of the German Steel Trust's Union Banking Corporation--initiated an alert to the absent Averell Harriman about a problem which had developed in the Flick partnership.@s1@s8 Bush sent Harriman a clipping from the New York Times of that day, which reported that the Polish government was fighting back against American and German stockholders who controlled `` Poland's largest industrial unit, the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company.... ''

The Times article continued: `` The company has long been accused of mismanagement, excessive borrowing, fictitious bookkeeping and gambling in securities. Warrants were issued in December for several directors accused of tax evasions. They were German citizens and they fled. They were replaced by Poles. Herr Flick, regarding this as an attempt to make the company's board entirely Polish, retaliated by restricting credits until the new Polish directors were unable to pay the workmen regularly. ''

The Times noted that the company's mines and mills `` employ 25,000 men and account for 45 percent of Poland's total steel output and 12 percent of her coal production. Two-thirds of the company's stock is owned by Friedrich Flick, a leading German steel industrialist, and the remainder is owned by interests in the United States. ''

In view of the fact that a great deal of Polish output was being exported to Hitler Germany under depression conditions, the Polish government thought that Prescott Bush, Harriman and their Nazi partners should at least pay full taxes on their Polish holdings. The U.S. and Nazi owners responded with a lockout. The letter to Harriman in Washington reported a cable from their European representative: `` Have undertaken new steps London Berlin ... please establish friendly relations with Polish Ambassador [in Washington]. ''

A 1935 Harriman Fifteen Corporation memo from George Walker announced an agreement had been made `` in Berlin '' to sell an 8,000 block of their shares in Consolidated Silesian Steel.@s1@s9 But the dispute with Poland did not deter the Bush family from continuing its partnership with Flick.

Nazi tanks and bombs `` settled '' this dispute in September, 1939 with the invasion of Poland, beginning World War II. The Nazi army had been equipped by Flick, Harriman, Walker and Bush, with materials essentially stolen from Poland.

There were probably few people at the time who could appreciate the irony, that when the Soviets also attacked and invaded Poland from the East, their vehicles were fueled by oil pumped from Baku wells revived by the Harriman/Walker/Bush enterprise.

Three years later, nearly a year after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of the Nazis' share in the Silesian-American Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act. Enemy nationals were said to own 49 percent of the common stock and 41.67 percent of the preferred stock of the company. ...

Bill,

According to this, and this, William HG Fitzgerald was the son of William Joseph Fitzgerald and Mary Ellen Smith.

Another intriguing aspect of the life of William HG Fitzgerald and his choice for best man (Ernest L. Byfield Jt.) in his 1943 wedding to Annelise Petschek is her family background and the usual cast of characters who interacted with her father, Ernest, and his father and uncle, the brothers Ignaz and Julius. Ignaz died in 1934, and after that, Ernest and his brothers karl, Charles, and William represented their family's business interests:

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=ern...n&scoring=a

MRS. IGNAZ PETSCHEK

- New York Times - Jan 4, 1951

3Mrs. Helene Petschek of 2 Kensington Road, , widow of Ignaz Petschek, ... Surviving are four sons, Ernest of White Plains, Charles and William of Scarsdale ...

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=pet...s&scoring=a

Obituary 3 -- No Title

- New York Times - May 10, 1980

PETSCHEK-William on Mav 8 in Scarsdale, dear brother-in-law of Josefa and Janina, beloved uncle of Charles, Max, Thomas, Annelise FitzGerald, Thea .

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sou...mp;oq=&aqi=

Charles Petschek Sr. died Dec. 18, 1959

In the quote boxes displayed below, is information supporting the observations that Knights of Malta/Roman Catholic William HG Fitzgerald, in 1943, married into the family of Ernest, aka Ernst Petschek, the son of Ignaz, who, with his brother Julius, at the beginning of the 20th century, began to amass one of the largest fortunes in Europe. This fortune was protected by Bush family and Harriman partners Averill Harriman, Samuel Pryor, George Walker, and Prescott Bush, incorporators of front shell companies designed to hide the Petschek family ownership of Silesian coal mine assets, and to facilitate Frederick Flick's "aryanization" of these mines when the time came, in the late 1930's.

It still remains to be discovered what the actual relationship was of Jewish Ernest Byfield Jr. and Fitzgerald....whether he was closer to Fitzgerald, or to Annelise Petschek and her father.

The Dulles brothers were also deeply immersed in advising and helping to hide the ownership of Petschek family coal assets. Hermann Abs and Frederick Flick were rewarded and protected by Annelise Fitzgerald's father, Ernest Petschek, in the aftermath of WWII, even though both worked for the Nazi regime in what seems to amount to stealing vast coal assets from the Petscheks. After the war, Ernest Petschek and his brothers had the upper hand in coercing Hermann Abs, and Flick into sincerely working to pursue claims for the return of Petschek assets taken by the Reich government and it's industrial co-operatives.

Whatever the involvement in spying on JFK's meetings and communications at the Byfield family's GLen Ora estate, and the former Byfield business partner, Patrick H. Hoy's involvement in either the assassination of JFK or of Oswald, on behalf of his later employer, Henry Crown, it is plain to see that Allen Dulles had a vested interest in avoiding any investigation of Crown, Hoy, or of Byfield Jr. that could focus WC attention on Byfield and his friend Fitzgerald and his inlaws, since they were Dulles's clients and business partners. It can not be underemphasized that Allen Dulles had the ability to steer the WC investigation, in his role as one of seven Warren Commissioners, and in the common interests he shared with Henry Crown's personal attorney, WC Asst. Counsel, Albert E. Jenner Jr.

It has been written in books that close JFK friend William Walton was also a friend of Glen Ora owner and Byfield Jr.'s mother, Gladys Tartiere; that Walton and Clark Clifford had to persuade her to lease Glen Ora to JFK. More than ever, I would like to know how Walton came to know Gladys Tartiere, because I suspect Walton steered the JFK family into renting Glen Ora, "site unseen", acting at the behest of Crown, Hoy, and Byfield Jr.

http://books.google.com/books?q=Trials+of+...nG=Search+Books

Trials of war criminals before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals under ...? - Page 448 http://www.mazal.org/archive/nmt/06/NMT06-T0448.htm

History - 1953

Title Trials of war criminals before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals under Control Council law no. 10, Nuremberg, October 1946-April, 1949, Volume 6

Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No. 10, Nuremberg, October 1946-April, 1949, Germany (Territory under Allied occupation, 1945-1955 : U.S. Zone)

Publisher U.S. G.P.O., 1953

...influence of the companies is exercised partly through German holding companies;

in the case of the Julius P. group through Thueringer Kohle, and in the case

of the Ignaz P. group mainly through the Deutsche Kohlen GmbH

The shares of these holding companies are outside the country — not in Czechoslovakia.

In the case of Julius P. they are held by an English concern, the shares of which are largely in American hands.

In the case of Ignaz P. the property is divided, as far as we know, between

two foreign holding companies; a Swiss company in Glarus, called

"Helmond," and a Dutch company.

We understand that the shares of these two continental holding companies are

held partly in England and partly in America. In the case of Julius P. American and

English groups are known to hold shares, whether formally or de facto is not

known.

In any case, 2 years ago, when proceedings were started against the Jewish General Manager Pulvermann,

the British Ambassador intervened at the Ministry of Economics,

while other authoritative British circles tried to influence Dr. Schacht in

favor of Pulvermann. From the fact that matters are thus involved,

it must be expected that any measures taken against the Petschek brown coal

enterprises will not only bring a protest from the Czechoslovak Government,

but will also cause British and American circles to assert that their interests have been damaged

and to induce their governments to intervene. In my opinion it is only a political question depending on the over-

all foreign policy situation whether one should be bluffed by these considerations.

I would like to quote from my own experience to prove that the whole thing is bluff or camouflage

[bluff oder Tarnung] on the part of the P. enterprises— The

shares of the Kattowitzer AG and the Bismarckhuette in eastern Upper-Silesia

were — even before the separation in 1920 — transferred to a Dutch company by their German owners in agreement with the

Reich Bank and the economic authorities.

The Poles were not deceived, and have always regarded these plants as German property.

For this reason, in 1926, when Laurahuette was transferred from Czechoslovak to

German ownership, a Swiss company was used and — to camouflage the real owner still further — another Swiss company,

and in addition a large American company, were created. This American company, the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation,

was founded by Harriman, the American bankers who had enjoyed great prestige in Poland.

The German owners now deliberately withdrew entirely into the background, in

order to emphasize still further the American character of the enterprises.

Apart from the brothers Harriman, the supervisory board consisted of a number of directors

of large American banks, a Rockefeller, and other very prominent Americans....

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm

Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed

by John Buchanan, The New Hampshire Gazette, October 10, 2003

....In November, Congress seized the Nazi interests in Silesian-American Corporation, which allegedly profited from slave labor at Auschwitz via a partnership with I.G. Farben, Hitler's third major industrial patron and partner in the infrastructure of the Third Reich.

The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S. Treasury and war bonds, to their foreign clients overseas as Hitler geared up for his 1939 invasion of Poland, the event that sparked World War II...

http://books.google.com/books?id=iRqI37ouG...929&f=false

The history of foreign investment in the United States, 1914-1945 By Mira Wilkins

page 382

.....Also inthis category was the United Continental Corporation (UCC), New York, formed in 1929 as a holding company for the German properties of the Czech Julius Perschek group. It reflects the complexities of some of the foreign holdingd in the United States, particularly those involving 1930s refugees from fascism. UCC's first president was John Foster Dulles; its second, Dulles' close friend George Murnane. Sullivan & Cromwell, Dulles' law firm in the 1903's (as wekk as in the 1920's), acted in behalf of many European investors in the United States. In the 1930's Murnane frequently assisted the law firms' clients, including the Belgian, Solvay & Cie, and the German firm, Robert Bosch. He would aid the Czechs.

Murnane was once a partner in the American banking house Lee Higginson & Co., which he left after it's 1932 reorganization. Dulles introduced Murnane to Jean Monnet (who would later be the inspiration behind European unification). They established in 1935 a New York headquartered investment banking firm, Monnet Murnane & Co. Murnane, as president of the UCC, participated in negotiations between the Julius Petschek family (who were Jewish) and the Nazis who wanted them out of Germany. The Pestschek properties in Germany were lignite coal mines, which German industrialist Frederick Flick desired to acquire. At one poiint in the discussion (in January 1938), Murnane suggested that UCC's assets in Germany be swapped for I.G. Farben's chemical plants in the United States. Murnane pointed out that since he was a member of the board of Allied Chemical, he could facilitate the arrangements. Flick responded that "under no circumstances could there Reich government be expected to agree to such an exchange." Murnane insisted that two-thirds of the stock of UCC was owned by Americans, who were Aryans. In May, 1938, he sold the Petschek properties and got foreign exchange. ....

http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Dulles+...nG=Search+Books

A law unto itself: the untold story of the law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell‎ - Page 128

by Nancy Lisagor, Frank Lipsius - Law - 1988 - 360 pages

Dulles arranged for George Murnane to "buy" the mines to hide the Petscheks' ownership and then offer them to Schacht. But the Nazi economics minister asked Murnane, "Why should I buy them now when I can confiscate them later?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_MacGuire

Business Plot

....In 1934 retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler testified to the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional committee that a group of men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a coup.[1] In the opinion of the committee these allegations were credible. One of the purported plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their report, the Congressional committee stated that it was able to confirm Butler's statements other than the proposal from MacGuire which it considered more or less confirmed by MacGuire's European reports. [2] However, no prosecutions or further investigations followed.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/McCormack-Di...ald_C._Macguire

Will you give your name?

Mr. MACGUIRE. Gerald C. MacGuire.

The CHAIRMAN. I will say that counsel is allowed to be present as a matter of courtesy. Counsel is at liberty, if counsel thinks that the constitutional rights of his client are involved, to advise him as to what he thinks the proper course is to take.

Mr. MARKS. I am quite sure that no such question will arise.

Mr. MacGuire. Mr. Chairman, may I say something, please?

Mr. MARKS. May I suggest that you allow the chairman to ask questions, and I think we will get along much better.

The CHAIRMAN. Your place of business is where?

Mr. MacGuire. Grayson M.-P. Murphy & Co., 52 Broadway, New York City.

The Chairman. What is your connection with the company? Mr. MacGuire. I am a bond salesman......

Milestones, Apr. 1, 1935 - TIME

Gerald Charles MacGuire, 38, bond salesman (Grayson MP Murphy & Co. ... 3); of uremia and pneumonia; in New Haven, Conn. His brother, William J. MacGuire, ...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,748700,00.html

http://wwwarc.eui.eu/idchn/pdf/INT515.pdf

JOHN DAVID DRUMMOND EARL OF PERTH

Interviews witb F Duch6ne 21 April. 23 May and 4 JUly 1989

L Interview of 21 April 1989

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DP My father, having been appointed the first Secretary-General of the League of Nations, had as his number two, Jean Monnet, who was appointed, I think, by the French and British agreeing that it was he who would be the right person. I can remember very well my father talking about Monnet in I suppose it was 1919, certainly it was 20, I think it was 1919. I probably met him then.

FD You were a boy of about twelve or thirteen then? DP I was twelve. I went out to Geneva, always, in the holidays, when my family moved to Geneva, and for the first several years, Jean Monnet was working there. I saw him occasionally. I don't remember whether I saw him very much, but obviously, I must have not only liked him, but he registered, in every sense of the word. Then he leaves. I remember my family was rather sad about it. We all liked Jean very much. He leaves to do his brandy business. Then he's working over in America, and he doesn't appear on the scene again, as far as I am concerned, until -I suppose -1931 or 32. I must have in some way or another known what he was up to. Then I heard that he was going to go to China on a government mission.

FD Which government? DP The Chinese government, which had invited him. Two or three years before that, from 1929 until 32 or 33, I had been with an American stockbroking merchant firm, called G M P Murphy and Company. After the first year in New York, I was over working as their representative, with my cousin,who was the head of the thing,for GMP Murphy, England. 1 did that for a year or two, and found it was not very thrilling work. I heard that Jean

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was going to China. I remember well writing him a letter saying: "Will you let me come?"

FD Your father had had nothing to do with this?

DP No, no. I may have said to him: ''I'm going to do it". But this was entirely my own initiative. And t got back, to my great pleasure, "Well, if you're

really serious, I would like nothing better". It was a longer letter than that. I was really serious, and I told Gerald Maxwell, who was a first cousin of mine,

and the head of Murphy's over here, that I was leaving. So off I set. We had a good deal of preliminary time arranging things, before we actually went

out. We used the Hyde Park Hotel as our headquarters. Jean always used the Hyde Park Hotel as his headquarters. We were preparing the ground. Then

the moment arrived of going out. Three of us went out, Arthur Salter, having been invited also by the Chinese government, Jean and myself. I'm trying to

remember whether we went to America and then on. I suppose we must have done. We may have gone our different ways to get there, but I do

remember clearly that we did finally arrive in a ship on the West Coast, and sailed from there to China.....

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.....DP Then. to carryon, Monnet Murnane and Company was well after our Chinese venture had started.

FD But it is during this period that the idea -or more than the idea, the institution -of the China Development Finance Corporation is born and brought into effect?

OP Yes. It was before Monnet Murnane and Company. It was definitely a sequel to the purpose of our visit. Jean was asked to recommend how in a practical way China could be helped for its economic reconstruction to stand on its own feet. and so forth.

FD So it's not purely a business proposition?

OP WeU, not purely a business proposition, but you can't in fact isolate one from the other. Arthur Salter wrote a report, which had nothing to do with business. It was just a report on the economics of China, and what should be done. We were creating something. We had a lot of thought and there was a lot of intrigue to get the CDFC set up. You had to persuade aU the Chinese banks who. in a sense. were very often rivals. You had r.v. Soong in particular -although Kung was the nominal. and perhaps the real. minister of Finance -T V stiU played an active part. Having knocked him down. the family gathered him together again and let him go on playing.

FD He was a very powerfUl personality in his own right, was he not?

DP Certainly. Very powerfUl. In his way, much brighter than H.H. Kung. R.H. Kung was a nice, well-meaning man but his wife, who was a Soong sister, was much more powerful. FD She was the third of t.he trio? OP The third, yes....

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...DP.....We made our report. I don't know if I can find it in my files, but it was a good report. The sequel to that was that they finally decided, Jardine Matheson, to take our advice, which was to build a new ship, so that the shipping company went on. Then they had a stroke of luck. When trouble arose with Japanese pressure on China, there was a Chinese line -a steamship company also -and they were able to take it over, because they were in a strong position at that time, and suddenly, instead of having two or three or four ships, they had ten or twelve and flourished. The foundation of that success depended on the earlier report that we made. I don't know whether it's in the files or not, I hope it is, but I'll have a look. It's a report I've been searching for for ages, and tried, and tried, and had no success in finding it. Then Jean goes away. My suspicion, my memory, is that he left a little bit early, because of potential marriage with Silvia.

FD Do you know much about that?

DP I know that he wanted to do it for quite a long time. I think he used Sullivan and Cromwell, and therefore Foster Dulles, as an adviser on how to achieve this. It sounds a strange person to ask. F

D Did Bu11itt have any part?

DP It could be, it could be.

FD Because they married in the Kremlin'

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DP That sounds exactly right (laughs)! I'm sure that Rajchman came into it! Everybody was called in to try and find the right way. Jean wanted to complicate it enormously, because in those days divorce wasn't something which was done.

FD If I may. I'll come back to that. because you obviously know a great deal about it!

DP Well, I don't know loo much, The rea! point of it is that Jean left early, to deal with this question, and I stayed a little bit longer.

FD That took quite a time? I mean, we're talking of months?

DP Yes. I came back my own way. I'm rather hazy. I'd have to look up and try and find the dates. My trouble is that I get muddled between my first visit to China, and my second visit to China. The second visit to China was to make effective certain activities of the Chinese Development Finance Corporation. and Jean wasn't with me that time, but Monnet Murnane and Company had been formed. Anyway, I went back to London, and I must have had some connection in the sense of an understanding that I continue with Jean. It may be that before I was back, the idea of Monnet Murnane and Company had developed. George Murnane· I've said this, I'll now put it for the record -George Murnane had been with Lee Higginsons. Lee Higginsons got into trouble with Kreuger and Toll, and everybody felt sorry for him, if that's the right word, because they all knew that it. was none of his fault that Lee Higginson had got into trouble. There was a loyalty there amongst people, whether it was in America or City circles. You didn't blame people who weren't to blame. He had very good contacts, Lee Higginson being Boston-based. and one of the great merchant banks before the trOUble.

FD He himself had a very good reputation, George Murnane?

DP Yes, very good. Liked by everybody. You couldn't help liking him. He had a wonderful sense of humour, and had some very good contacts. For him and Jean to join forces was in every sense an ideal combination. They both had very good contacts, both were highly respected. and one had a particular strength in Lee Higginsons in Europe, whereas the other had more really in America. Jean Monnet curiously was, I would say, stronger really in America than Murnane was. George Murnane had been very instrumental in all the work on Kreuger and Toll, and Buropean affairs.

FD But you're saying that the Giannini episode -the Transamerica episode hadn't really undermined Monnel's personal reputation?

DP No.

FD That's interesting. Why not? Doesn't it argue some naivete, as well as bad luck?

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DP No, I think it represented a battle between the Eastern banks, and the Western banks. The Pacific coast.

FD And the Western banks won.

DP The Western banks won.

FD He was ground jn the middle, as it were?

DP Yes. FD And the Bastern banks thought, well, that's his bad luck, but he's still one of us.

DP Yes, absolutely. As I say, I think the name of the man who reaHy was backing there was Elisha Walker. FD Yes. Of Blair?

DP Blair, that's right. But I'm sure that people didn't hold it against Monnet. Anyhow. China was a nice come-back.. And then you form Monnet Murnane. which we can talk about later. Qearly, I had a constant relationship with Jean. This doesn't mean that we were always in the same part of the world. We weren't. He usually worked in America, and I'd be working over here, or I'd be in Europe and George Murnane would come over.

FD That's clear from youre archives, isn't it? And then you went to Hong Kong.

DP And then I went back again. And then we came up against 38,39. 1938, I could go into in great detail. but I'm not going to at this stage. Then just before the outbreak of war. I remember seeing Jean over here. and saying to him: "Look, I am going into the Intelligence", because I'd been enlisted for it. He looked rather startled. Startled isn't quite the word, perhaps surprised. Looking back I think perhaps I made a mistake, in being ready to go into the Intelligence, rather than saying to Jean: "I want to stay with you". Because then 1 would have got into the Combined Boards. I don't know. I went my way for sil: months, and he went his, with all the troubles that we know.

FD But this also means you didn't know fully what he was doing at that time?

DP That is right. I didn't know fUlly what he was doing, because he was working on the equivalent of the Combined Boards, and I wasn't. I would see him, if I was over here, or he might see me. But there was a good deal of being apart. Then, I think in June of 40 (it may have been JUly) I was sent over to America for a fortnight, and that's when I think I saw him, and discussed various problems of how to get arms for this country, with France having failed. 1 will tell you in more detail the extraordinary lists. and so forth, which came out. I worked from there on, first of all with ... the UOC -I....

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DP That's right. It was the start of a new life. When I then found not only that I had that, but also a great Quantity of other papers, about not only the China episodes, but Monnet Murnane and Company, I came to the conclusion that this was something that gave an insight into what Monnet was up to, in a period where nobody else really knows virtually anything of what he was up to. His archives got burnt, or whatever, and I felt that this was of first importance, that the records should be there. And I had the good fortune of coming to a meeting when you were there, and button-holed you ...

FD Well, the good fortune is minel

DP WeH, both ours. J think you've got to remember, in going through these flles, that this is a group of highly qualified business people. Monnet was in those days a business man rather than a politician of any kind. George Murnane was very highly regarded. He had been with Lee Higginson, which was one of the outstanding American private banking groups, from Boston. They got into trouble with Kreuger and Toll, and so he was out in the wilderness through no fault of his own. He and Monnet joined forces, after Monnet came back from China, the first time, and set up the cope, and formed Monnet Murnane and Company. Therefore, when you go through these archives, you will see, again and again, just a story of a particular business deal which may or may not have come off. It looks to me, having glanced through them very quickly, that very often they didn't come off. You'll see there the story of trying to develope the telephone business in China .. it wasn't very profitable, a sort of a continuing relationship. You had a lot of people who wanted to horn in on the act. You'll see other similar elamples, whether it was railways, or chemical companies, or what you will. So you must look at these things thinking that here is an operating business, which was trying to make money for the individuals, Who weren't very well off, and not as a sort of long-term aim of ...

FD Building Europe, or something.

DP No. Totally different.

FD As to the archives themselves, there are several documents in your dossiers which talk, for instance, about the balance sheet of the company. At the same time, I don't remember having seen anything that refers to any operation, or returns, on the scale of the one you've just been talking about Un conversation before the recording -PO), the Petschek operation. From which I take it that there are gaps in the dossiers here? Have you any sense

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of what you would have covered, and not have covered, in your archives? and of how much of your archives remain here?

DP What I've noticed from one of them was that half a dozen of the files there was a note, and I've got to try to find it again -which said "Files 3,4,5 and 6", or whatever it was, "sent to Monnet in Paris", I'll try to look that up. I don't know what exactly they were, It was always a struggle to live. The Petschek deal was probably as big as any that we ever handled. Perhaps I'm going to be very indiscreet here. It's a long story, but a very interesting story, After the war, the British government came to me, and they said: "Look, we'd like you to give evidence at the Nuremberg trials", and I said: "Why?" And they said: "Well, because one of the criminals is a man called Flick", who was the richest man in Germany. When he was taken prisoner, he had two letters on him, and only two letters, and one was a long hand letter from I don't know who, and the other was a letter from me, signed Strathallan, saying: "Dear Gottfried Fliclc, I want to say thank you for your having carried out your undertakings in the way you have, and I hope we have an opportunity to do business together again". Now, this was in relation to the Petschek business. I said: "Well, you'U get no comfort from me on the story of this, because he behaved totally honorably", and indeed, he did miracles in the way of getting dollars for the owners. They, after the war, had said "Oh well, we hadn't got enough money". I mean. although they'd accepted the deal, there was a certain duress. But otherwise they wouldn't have got anything. So it was a very good price. Now what I was going to say which is indiscreet, is that when all this was coming along, I went and saw Jean, and I said to Jean: "Look, what can you remember of this business, and do you want in any way to get involved?" And he quite simply said: "I don't know what you're talking about". It's the only time I've been a little bit .., surprised. Whether it's because the word Nuremberg, and all that side, was unnattractive, J don't know, but anyhow, it was the only time I've ever been -disappointed. It may be that he didn't remember. But after all, it was a very big business. Well, the sequel to it all was a happy one, in so far as I was concerned, because I gave my affidavit, and Flick was exonerated on this one part of the charge. They got him for certain other things, but only for a period of time. The extraordinary part of that story -it has nothing to do with Jean Monnet, but it is an extraordinary story -was that when he was taken prisoner this was the only thing he had on him. He must have treasured this letter, when he saw how things were going wrong. Here was a frlend -oh, he'd got a title. therefore he must be important! Extraordinary, I digress.

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FD That is very interesting. Because it shows that he knew the way the wind was blowing. He must have kept it for a long time.

DP 38, I think it was. And he'd carefully put it into his filing, and when he knew what was going to happen to him, he had it on him. ....

http://hnn.us/articles/1811.html

1-17-03

What Should We Make of the Charge Linking the Bush Family Fortune to Nazism?

By Herbert Parmet

...George Herbert (Bert) Walker’s relationship with Averell Harriman went back to 1919, reported Buchanan, when both went to Paris to set up “the German branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely based on critical war resources such as steel and coal.” Other corporate entities, all with ties to similar German interests, were then created by UBC, which had Prescott Bush on its board – most notably, the Hamburg-American Line, the Holland-American Trading Corporation, and the Seamless Steel Corporation. On October 12, 1920, the St. Louis Globe-Democrat headlined “Ex-St. Louisan Forms Giant Ship Merger,” explaining that Bert Walker was the “moving power” behind the “merger of two big financial houses in New York, which will place practically unlimited capital at the disposal of the new American-German shipping combine.” In the summer and fall of 1942, Congress, under the authority of the Trading With the Enemy Act, seized the first group of entities, the UBC, the Holland-American Trading Corporation, and the Hamburg-American Line. Buchanan’s diligence has discovered that the latter “reportedly smuggled Nazi spies into the U.S. before the war and encouraged U.S. ‘Patriots’ to travel to Germany and proselytize for Hitler in the early 1930s.”

Much of this is confirmed by the new documentation. The UBC was not a “bank” at all but “in reality a clearing house” for many assets and enterprises held by Fritz Thyssen, a German steel magnate who has written about his role in helping to finance the Third Reich. Located close to Bush’s 59 Wall Street office, it was “founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N. V. of Holland.” The UBC was seized by the United States under Vesting Order 248 on October 20, 1942, and, according to Buchanan, Bush and Harriman later received $1.5 million in compensation. Similar vesting orders leading to the divestiture of “enemy national” assets continued until well after the war. (A total of ten such vesting orders that indicate the firm’s investments are in the files in my possession.) Other holdings, associated with Bush, are more problematical, such as the relationship with the Silesian Holding Corporation and Consolidated Silesian Steel, which was bought from Thyssen in 1931. ...

The documents John Buchanan said he found at the national archive;

http://hnn.us/articles/1812.html show that Samuel F. Pryor was an original incorporator of

the Union Banking Corp., as well as of Hamburg Amerika, and of one other incorporation mentioned

above. More background on Pryor, founder of the Jupiter Island, FL elite enclave, and his son,

Sam Pryor Jr., here:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...75&hl=pryor

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,846962,00.html

Monday, Aug. 03, 1931

Deals & Developments

No More Bananas. Directors of the $25,000,000-in-assets Atlantic Fruit & Sugar Co. are: Samuel F. Pryor of Remington Arms Co.; lanky Vincent Astar; Frederick Baldwin Adams, chairman of Air Reduction Co. and member of the executive committee of U. S. Industrial Alcohol; Percy Avery Rockefeller; Socialite Robert Walton Goelet of Newport; Henry Osborne Havemeyer, also a director of Chase, Kennecott, and International Match; George Herbert Walker, director of American International Corp. and Barnsdall Corp.; Francis Minot Weld, also on the board of Baldwin Locomotive and Central Hanover Bank & Trust Co.; Guy Gary, a director of National City Bank.

Formed in 1924 after old Atlantic Fruit Co. had been foreclosed, the company lost money in every succeeding year. Last week it suddenly announced it had disposed of its $6,000,000-a-year fruit business (bananas in Jamaica and Cuba) to Standard Fruit & Steamship Corp., controlled by the Vaccaro interests of New Orleans.....

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Hi Tom,

Man, my hat is off to you once again. (And you were never in anyone's bad graces by the way. <grin> As if that state of grace would ever be important to anyone.)

The irony here is that if you had never asked me to verify the members of the Draper-Taft wedding party, I would never have

gotten onto the trail of those Clipper-Shippin', Drug Dealin', Slave-Tradin', Tobacco, Cotton, Tea and Textile dealin', Fruit Pickin', Railroad Runnin', Gun sellin', War Mongerin', Banana Peelin', Dictator Crushin', Rum Runnin' holier-than-though Church goin', Skull and Bonesmen and those Military Intel bastidges as quickly as I did. Thanks for the egg in my face. <grin>

By the way you actually just referenced 2 of the MAJOR PLAYERS in the General Smedley Butler coup attempt against FDR. I know you probably have not yet read The Plot to Seize the White House by Jules Archer but you should.

Gerald Charles MacGuire, 38, bond salesman (Grayson MP Murphy & Co.) More rabid holier-than-though Irish-Catholic immigrants intent on using Wall Street to their sinister, monopolistic, market-cornering, union-crushing advantage. So in fact the plots to kill JFK and FDR merge and meld together yet again. Wickliffe Draper using J.P. Morgan helped finance the FDR coup attempt, too. And he financed both the JFK hit and about 12 other plots against humanity during the 20th Century. Anyone who states that Wickliffe Draper had NOTHING to do with the JFK hit has got to be either terminally obtuse, stubborn as a stump, in gahoots with the Irish Mafia or a close friend of the far right wingers who know who actually killed JFK. The same crowd that showed up at C.O.P.A. conferences making presentations or attending meetings in the 1990's like L. Fletcher Prouty, Donald Gibson, Mark Lane, Sarah McClendon, Hairy Angular, and others of their right wing predilections. Just watch who defends, protects and befriends the likes of Gibson, Armstrong, Prouty, Lane, McClendon, Angular, etc. Thankfully, the speakers list has been substantially cleaned up in recent years and the most recent C.O.P.A conference had only 1-2 obfuscators, disenablers and disinformtion agents on the podium. And the self-professed friend and admirer of Sarah McClendon, Ken Kahn, El Flesher Krauty, Ted Gittenyourcraw, Hairy Angular, Petered Whimpey, Grodie Whineslow and Kram Diaz stayed home, thank God. Not enough rubles in the stocking, I guess. How can someone cozy up to these "lone nutters", support them, defend them, praise them and still look himself in the mirror in the morning and claim to be in search for the unbiased truth? Beyond me. How can anyone else fall for it? Beyond me.

So don't be so hasty in saying that this is STILL AN INCOMPLETE JIGSAW PUZZLE. There are only a few pieces left to be placed INTO MY MOSAIC anyway as far as I am concerned. Even LBJ was tied into and beholding to these Opium Trading, Clipper Shippping and Railroad Running Drug Lords from the Yale Skull and Bonesmen which includes the Skull and Bones of the Waffen SS as well, as you and others know by now. And as for the depth and the breadth of The Nazi Connections to the JFK hit, well they were legion. Gigantic, massive and far-reaching. Funny, the same people (i.e. person) who opposed the Nazi Connections, also deny the Draper-Vonsiatsky connections and the Mind Control and the Manchurian Candidate connections and they come from an Irish Mafia background, too like Murphy and MacGuire or Maguire and all the other from the Knights of Malta and the Shickshinny Knights of Malta. Hmmm... birds of a feather. Could it be that we have a real, live example of yet another obfuscator, deflector and disinformation specialist trying to pass himself off as someone in "search of the truth?" when in fact like those whose job it is to defend the Birch Society, or to protect the Canadians at the Giesbrecht Incident, or to deny the involvement of the Draper-Farish-Gray-Bush Eugenics partnership and its role in the JFK hit. Funny that all of his "friends" like Whineslow, Diaz, Angular, Krauty, Whimpey, McClendon, Kahn and others had exactly the same "role" to play. To block my efforts, to deny my contributions, to splatter my postings with grafitti, and to distort history in order to protect their friends and to blame random scapegoats. And he gladly joins in with all these other "lone nutters and obfuscators" in their attacks on me and my research. Well, you have been OFFICIALLY EXPOSED for your feeble and futile attempts for all to see, haven't you? You little weenie.

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Guest John Gillespie
Ian Punnett welcomed award-winning investigative reporter Russ Baker, who discussed the connections between the Bush family and the intelligence community, as well as startling evidence that shed new light on the JFK assassination and Watergate. According to his research, George H.W. Bush's affiliation with the CIA began as far back as 1953, as opposed to Bush's "official" joining of the organization in 1976. Two elements that led him to this conclusion were that Bush was briefed on the JFK assassination by the CIA on the day after Kennedy's murder and he also appeared to be using his oil company to set up "fronts" for the intelligence agency around the world.

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John,

I'm glad someone else here has read that free, online, tome about George H.W. Bush. Tarpley is an amazing man. No denigration of Baker's fine work, but when I heard Punnett's show that night I wanted to scream that Tarpley had put this out years before. It puzzles me that I haven't heard Mr. Tarpley grace that show with his presence. Nor have I heard his name mentioned.

Moving along the slimy path of the Insiders' puppets, one quickly learns their modus operandi, i.e. George H.W. as RNC Chairman during the Watergate affair. It's almost to laugh.

But please, for anyone reading this reply, there is yet another essential, free and online Tarpley publication called "911 Synthetic Terrorism", the delineation of his definitive presentation and lecture "The 911 Issue - How To Stop World War III."

The lecture: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...41318334319800#

"911 Synthetic Terrorism": http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2005/07/317436.pdf

I realize this category is Watergate but please allow a footnote on the 911 'event.'

Check out Chapter IX in "911 Synthetic Terrorism". Note at the end of page 258 to the top of 259, that a Ms Anne Tatlock of Fiduciary Trust Company International (WTC occupant) was one of the top executives with Warren Buffet at Offut Air Base, Nebraska (STRATCOM) for "an unpublicized charity event" that day. Otherwise, she probably would have been killed. Also note the highlighted portion at the end of her SourceWatch professional bio here:

Anne M. Tatlock

From SourceWatch

Anne M. Tatlock Chairman & Chief Executive Officer of the Fiduciary Trust Company International.

"Anne Tatlock joined the Investment Department of Fiduciary Trust in 1984. Ms. Tatlock became president in 1994, chief executive officer in 1999, and chairman in 2000. Additionally, she is vice chairman and a member of the Office of the Chairman of Franklin Resources, Inc., the parent company of Fiduciary Trust. Prior to joining Fiduciary Trust, Ms. Tatlock was with Smith Barney & Company for 22 years, where she was first vice president and manager of the Capital Management Group. Ms. Tatlock graduated from Vassar College in 1961 and earned a Master's degree in economics from New York University in 1968. She is a director of Fortune Brands, Inc., and Merck & Co. Inc. Additionally she is a trustee of American Ballet Theatre (president 1998-2001), The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation (chairman 2003-), The Conference Board, The Cultural Institutions Retirement System (chairman 1996-2001), The Howard Hughes Medical Institute, The Mayo Foundation, The Teagle Foundation and Vassar College. Ms. Tatlock has been elected a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations." [1]

Director, World Trade Center Memorial Foundation

Guess what. She is a CFR member. Yet another amazing coincidence.

Regards, JG

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