Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

[Jack White]

The chronology was written with the APPROVAL AND PARTICIPATION OF JVB.

I think most of it appeared in the Dealey Plaza Echo. As I recall, it was written

by someone named Williams. I also found the article reprinted on the McAdams

website. I will look it up later and post it. The article states how when the two

of them visited Ochsner, that LHO went in first and talked to him, then asked

JVB in to meet him. I would not make such things up.

The article also says JVB was "evicted", and that LHO found her a new apartment.

Accusing me of making things up is a serious charge.

I will eat breakfast and find the article.

JUDYTH RESPONDS TO JACK WHITE'S "CHRONOLOGY":

THE CHRONOLOGY BY JACK WHITE IS NOT CORRECT, SORRY

I WILL CORRECT THE CHRONOLOGY WITH CAPS AND BOLD FACE...

I am trying to understand the timelines of JVB and LHO, so have

been doing some reading, and found the following of interest:

4-20-63: JVB arrives in NOLA.

4-25-63: LHO arrives in NOLA.

4-25-63 LEE EATS DINNER WITH DAVID FERRIE

4-26-63: JVB meets total stranger LHO in a line at post office.

4-27-63. LHO takes JVB on a NOLA tour to meet...

INCORRECT

...Ferrie

...Bannister PROPER SPELLING, IS BANISTER, WRONG DATE, JACK

...Ochsner WRONG DATE, JACK..HE WAS IN SOUTH AMERICA

4-27-63: JVB and LHO instructed to watch for classified ad for

employment, 640 Magazine Street, by Alvin Prechter.

INCORRECT. I WAS NOT INTERESTED IN WORKING ANY SUCH PLACE UNTIL MAY.

THE AD WAS OUT A FULL TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE WERE TOLD TO RESPOND TO

THEM. FULL DETAILS ARE INCLUDED AND I EXPLAIN WHY IN THE BOOK.

5-1-63: Robert Baker arrives in NOLA and demands immediate marriage.

5-2-63: JVB and Baker elope to Mobile Alabama

5-3-63: Baker leaves his bride of one day.

5-4-63: JVB is evicted from her rented room.

INCORRECT. I WAS NOT EVICTED. POLICE RAIDED THE HOUSE.

DEFINITION OF EVICTION:

Legal Definition of Eviction

Some permanent act by landlord, or by person or thing under his control,

which deprives a tenant of enjoyment of the rented premises.

5-4-63: LHO arranges a new room for JVB.

INCORRECT: LHO MEETS MNISTER AND WIFE WHO TOOK JUDYTH IN ,

AFTER THEY CALL THE MURRETS, WHICH SHE DOES NOT DARE DO

BECAUSE HE IS A MARRIED MAN...HE FINDS AN APARTMENT WITH

BEDROOM, BATHROOM, UNFINISHED KITCHEN AND A LARGE LIVING

ROOM AND PORCH WITH A SWEET, LITTLE OLD LADY AS LANDLADY--

SOMEONE HE KNEW WHEN HE WAS A SCHOOL CHILD, DUE TO A

TEACHER WHO HAD LIVED NEXT DOOR. ADDRESS: 1032 MARENGO,

5-9-63: LHO and JVB interviewed by Prechter at 640 Magazine.

5-10-63: LHO and JVB hired by Standard Coffee Company.

5-17-63: LHO and JVB transferred to Reily Coffee Company.

7-19-63: LHO fired by Reily.

NOTE: AD ORDERED SAME DAY TO REPLACE JUDYTH IN TIMES-PICAYUNE

8-9-63: JVB fired by Reily.

CORRECTION: 8-9-63 LEE OSWALD IS ARRESTED AND AS A CONSEQUENCE

OF BEING SEEN NEARBY, JUDYTH IS FORCED TO RESIGN. SHE WAS NOT FIRED.

What I gather from these timelines:

ISN'T JACK WHITE A GOOD RESEARCHER?

OR IS HE USING INACCURATE SOURCES FROM MCADAMS & CO??

I am trying to understand the timelines of JVB and LHO, so have

been doing some reading, and found the following of interest:

4-20-63: JVB arrives in NOLA.

4-25-63: LHO arrives in NOLA.

4-26-63: JVB meets total stranger LHO in a line at post office.

4-27-63. LHO takes JVB on a NOLA tour to meet...

...Ferrie

...Bannister

...Ochsner

4-27-63: JVB and LHO instructed to watch for classified ad for

employment, 640 Magazine Street, by Alvin Prechter.

5-1-63: Robert Baker arrives in NOLA and demands immediate marriage.

5-2-63: JVB and Baker elope to Mobile Alabama

5-3-63: Baker leaves his bride of one day.

5-4-63: JVB is evicted from her rented room.

5-4-63: LHO arranges a new room for JVB.

5-9-63: LHO and JVB interviewed by Prechter at 640 Magazine.

5-10-63: LHO and JVB hired by Standard Coffee Company.

5-17-63: LHO and JVB transferred to Reily Coffee Company.

7-19-63: LHO fired by Reily.

8-9-63: JVB fired by Reily.

What I gather from these timelines:

1. LHO and JVB knew each other before they worked at Reily's.

2. Within two days of arriving in NOLA, LHO met total stranger JVB

and took her around NOLA introducing her to Ferrie, Bannister and

Ochsner.

3. JVB and LHO were co-employees only from 5-10 until 7-19...

20 days in May, 30 days in June, and 19 days in July...a total of

69 days.

Previously I had been under the impression that ALL of the claimed

association took place at Reily Coffee Company.

Jack

Apparently few bothered to read the timeline of JVB I posted. The implications of it are clear to me.

It reads like a script for "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE".

IMAGINED SCRIPT:

Hello, Miss Vary. Your assignment, if you choose to accept it, is as follows.

Move to New Orleans at your own expense this summer.

On April 26, watch the line of people at general delivery at the Post Office.

When a young man about 5'9" tall gets in line, approach him and drop a folded newspaper.

If he does nothing, he is not your contact.

If he picks up the paper for you, say "Thank You" to him in Russian.

He will confirm that he is your contact.

He will introduce you to people we want you to know in New Orleans.

The next day he will introduce you to a Dr. Ochsner, Dr. Ferrie and our man Guy Banister.

They will instruct you to watch for a classified ad which will place both of you in one of our front companies.

Once in place, you will await further instructions regarding your assignments.

This tape will self-destruct in five seconds.... 4...3...2...1...pfffffft.

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JACK HAS REPEATED THE CLAIM THAT JUDYTH ADDS NOTHING TO OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE

CASE THAT SOME MAY EVEN BE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY. HERE ARE THREE COUNTEREXAMPLES:

While I do not agree with all of her opinions--the CIA, military, mafia, and anti-Castro Cubans,

for example, all appear to have been involved in the assassination with shooters--she has good

reasons for holding the views she expresses here, which arise from her role as a witness in NO.

I find all of this especially interesting since a friend, who is also interested in JFK research, has

come for a visit and brought along a three-hour DVD interview of James Files by Wim Dankbaar

and Jim Marrs which we watched last night. I find what Judyth has to say about Files very helpful.

(1) JUDYTH TALKS ABOUT OCHSNER:

Query: Why would Ochsner's friends fund Truth and Consequences, when Garrison was in the

process of investigating JFK assassination?

GARRISON WAS RUNNING ON FUMES BECAUSE NEWSPAPERS SAID HE WAS USING DISTRICT ATTORNEY

FUNDS FOR A PRIVATE QUEST FOR FAME...HE EVEN TOOK OUT HIS [PERSONAL] SAVINGS TO RUN THE

INVESTIGATION....TRUTH AND CONSEQUENCES OFFERED MONEY...AND SUDDENLY, GARRISON DROPS

THE ISSUE ABOUT THE BLACK CADILLAC (WHICH LEADS TO OCHSNER) AND DROPS ALL MENTION OF

OCHSNER...THOUGH "60 MINUTES" FOUND HIS EARLIEST DOCUMENTS WANTED OCHSNER ARRESTED.

Query: Why do you think that the whole conspiracy began in New Orleans? And why did it move to Dallas?

THE BOOK EXPLAINS DETAILS, BUT ROUGHLY, THE ANTI-CASTRO CAMPAIGNS WERE RUN OUT OF MIAMI

AND NEW ORLEANS. ALL THE ASSASSINATION TEAMS AND SEE EYE AYE WERE INVOLVED...WHEN THE

TURN TO KILL KENNEDY WAS DECIDED, THIS MACHINERY WAS RECRUITED...ALONG WITH MAFIA--CARLOS

MARCELLO, WHO BOBBY KENNEDY HAD FORCIBLY AND ACTUALLY ILLEGALLY DEPORTED AND WHO CAME

BACK WITH A BROKEN LEG...MARCELLO'S NEW DEPORTATION TRIAL CULMINATED THE SAME DAY JFK WAS

KILLED--THAT WAS RIGGED THAT WAY...THEY FOUND OUT THE JURY WAS RIGGED...ANYWAY, THEY

PARTIED AND RUBBED IT IN BOBBY'S FACE...MARCELLO SUPPLIED THE HIT MEN, ALONG WITH HELP FROM

GIANCANA, SICILIAN CHARACTERS (I'M TOLD) AND SANTO TRAFFICANTE'S MEN...MARCELLO RAN DALLAS

AS WELL AS NEW ORLEANS..

THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T SHOOT JFK, THEY JUST PLANNED IT, WITH MILITARY SEE EYE AYE IN THE

FORE...YOU HAVE CHARLES CABELL FIRED BY JFK, MILITARY GENERAL AND SEE EYE AYE HONCHO OVER

BAY OF PIGS...HE IS DISGRACED WHEN FIRED...

HIS BROTHER IS MAYOR OF DALLAS

YOU HAVE JFK COMING TO NEW ORLEANS IN MAY 1962---HIS TRIP IS ARRANGED, PLANNED, AND

EXAMINED BY ALTON OCHSNER,OF AL PEOPLE, AS I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU IN AN ATTACHED

DOCUMENT. HE GATHERS INFORMATION AND ADVISES HIS TEXAS FRIENDS. HIS BEST FRIENDS

ARE MURCHISON AND BYRD, THE OWNER OF THE TSBD WHERE OSWALD IS HIRED, AND OTHER

OIL MEN...OCHSNER MAKES TRIPS TO WASHINGTON ONCE A WEEK, AS WELL...

OCHSNER'S BEST FRIENDS ARE CLAY SHAW AND DOCTORS IN DALLAS, SUCH AS DEBLAKEY. THE

NETWORK IS SET UP WITH PERFECT FLOW OF INFORMATION AND HANDLING OF MINOR CHARACTERS.

THERE'S MUCH MORE. THIS IS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, SUCH AS GUY BANISTER AND GUN-RUNNING,

LINKED TO JACK RUBY, JACK RUBY LINKED TO BIOWEAPONS, BIOWEAPONS LINKED TO OCHSNER,

BIOWEAPONS LINKED TO NIXON.

LINDA MINOR HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF MAKING THE LINKS. MANY OTHERS HAVE TOO, BUT THEY

DID NOT KNOW ABOUT OCHSNER, WHOSE ROLE WAS VITAL. READ THE BOOK....

(2) JUDYTH TALKES ABOUT DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS

LEE TOLD ME THAT DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS WAS THE ONE WHO MASTERMINDED MUCH OF THE

ASSASSINATION OF JOHN F. KENNEDY. HE TOLD ME THAT PHILLIPS AND OTHERS WOULD BE PRESENT

TO WATCH JFK GO DOWN. ADDITIONAL DETAILS ARE IN THE BOOK. PHILLIPS REPORTED THAT HE HAD

URINATED ON KENNEDY'S GRAVE.

WHEN I FOUND A WITNESS WHO KNEW SHAWN PHILLIPS, I KNEW THIS WAS DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS'

NEPHEW. I OBTAINED INFORMATION BECAUSE I KNEW ENOUGH ABOUT PHILLIPS TO GET IT FROM

SHAWN'S FRIEND, AN ENGLISH INSTRUCTOR WHO BECAME QUITE ANGRY WITH ME FOR BRINGING THE

LEAD FORWARD, FOR I PASSED THE INFORMATION TO A GOOD RESEARCHER, GARY BUELL, WHO HUNTED

SHAWN PHILLIPS DOWN. THE RESULT WAS MORE INFORMATION OF USE IN THE CASE:

'Gary Buell was in discussion with Sean Phillips, David Phillips nephew. His old man

had suspected or had heard that old Davey boy had in some way been involved in the

assassination. Jim (Seans dad) and Dave apparently had a fall out about it. Phillips was

dying of lung cancer, he called up Jim, who asked "Were you in Dallas that day?" Dave

answers, "Yup," and Jim hung up the phone on him.

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/phpBB3/view...2&start=165

Email from Shawn Phillips

The "Confession", you refer to was not in so many words as such. I cannot remember

the time frames involved, but this was what was told to me by my father, James Atlee

Phillips, who is deceased. He said that David had called him with reference to his

(Davids), invitation to a dinner, by a man who was purportedly writing a book on the CIA.

At this dinner, was also present a man who was identified only as the "Driver". David

told Jim that he knew the man was there to identify him as Raul Salcedo, whose name you

should be familiar with, if your research is accurate in this matter. David then told Jim

that he had written a letter to the various media, as a "Preemptive Strike" , against any

and all allegations about his involvement in the JFK assassination. Jim knew that David

was the head of the "Retired Intelligence Officers of the CIA", or some such

organization, and that he was extremely critical of JFK, and his policies. Jim knew at

that point, that David was in some way, seriously involved in this matter and he and David

argued rather vehemently, resulting in a silent hiatus between them that lasted almost

six years according to Jim. Finally, as David was dying of irreversible lung cancer, he called Jim

and there was apparently no reconciliation between them, as Jim asked David pointedly,

"Were you in Dallas on that day"? David said, "Yes", and Jim hung the phone up.

Shawn Phillips is a musician. This is his website: http://www.shawnphillips.com

His family tie to David Atlee Phillips is explained here:

http://www.shawnphillips.com/james.html

(3) JUDYTH TALKS ABOUT JAMES FILES

IT GETS SO TOUGH, BEING A WITNESS. YOU MAKE ENEMIES BECAUSE YOUR TESTIMONY DOESN'T FIT

THEIR THEORIES. WIM IS A FRIEND, BUT HE ACTUALLY YELLED AT ME AND GOT RED IN THE FACE

BECAUSE FILES HAD SAID SOME THINGS ABOUT LEE THAT WERE NOT TRIUE, TO WIT:

1) LEE COULD DRIVE--THIS IS CORRECT---BUT WHEN JIMMY SAID HE AND LEE STOPPED TO GET FOOD AT

A CONVENIENCE STORE INSTEAD OF AT A RESTAURANT, AND DESCRIBED GETTING JUNK FOOD, I KNEW

LEE ONLY ATE CINNAMON ROLLS AS 'JUNK FOOD' AND DID NOT DRINK OR SMOKE AND HAD TOLD ME ON

THE PHONE THAT HE HAD BEEN FASTING AND EVEN GOING WITHOUT WATER TO DISCIPLINE HIMSELF, BUT

NOT TO WORRY, HE HAD LOST WEIGHT BUT NOW WAS PUTTING IT ON WITH GOOD, HEALTHY FOOD, NO

JUNK FOOD.

THAT STUCK STUBBORNLY IN MY HEAD WHEN JIMMY SAID THEY STOPPED AND GOT JUNK FOOD. LEE

WOULD HAVE TAKEN JIMMY TO A DECENT RESTAURANT. LEE WAS CAREFUL WITH MONEY AND HE NEVER

ONCE TOOK US TO EAT FAST FOOD. COKES WERE THE LIMIT,

WE LOVED ICE CREAM

JIMMY SAID ONE THING CORRECT, SO I BELIEVE HE MET LEE OSWALD BUT IS NOT TELLING

EVERYTHING AS IT HAPPENED, OR HE HEARD IT FROM SOMEBODY WHO MET LEE. LEE HAD

A TINY SCAR NOBODY NOTICES ON HIS LIP. WIM ASKED ME HOW LEE GOT THE SCAR AND

I TOLD HIM, IN THE MARINES DURING BOOT CAMP, AND EXPLAINED THE INCIDENT.

NOW, FILES KNEW IT, TOO, AND I CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW HE DID.

IN SHORT, FILES KNOWS THINGS, YES, HE DOES. BUT THE JUNK FOOD INCIDENT TELLS ME

THAT SOME OF IT IS MADE UP. HIS VOICE STRESS ANALYSIS TEST SOWS THAT HE IS MOSTLY

TELLING THEIR TRUTH, HOWEVER, AND THAT THING IS SOLID AND GOOD--UNLIKE THE LIE

DETECTOR TESTS, WHICH "60 MINUTES" STUDIED AND THEN FORBADE ME TO EVER TAKE

BECAUSE I AM TOO EMOTIONAL. SUPPOSEDLY THOSE TESTS WORK BECAUSE YOU DO NOT

HAVE ANY EMOTON IF YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF SOMEBODY SAID,

DID YOU SEE OSWALD DIE ON TV AND I FALL APART?

VOICE STRESS ANALYSIS TEST SHOWED LEE TOLD THE TRUTH THAT HE DID NOT SHOOT

ANYBODY. IT SHOULD BE OUT THERE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IN VINDICATING LEE OSWALD,

THAT'S HOW GOOD VSA IS.

But some, such as Judyth, are first and foremost WITNESSES, even though

she has proven to be very adept at RESEARCH. Her beliefs about Lee Oswald are based

upon her (presumptive) personal experience and there is no reason to dismiss her on the

grounds that YOU BELIEVE that there were "two Oswalds".

Good point. In addition, since Judyth is a witness and Armstrong a researcher, it might be

valuable for Armstrong to actually acknowledge what Judyth is saying and perhaps rethink

and/or tweak his hypotheses at least about LHO in NOLA.

Armstrong is NOT a researcher. He builds custom homes in Hawaii.

Armstrong has NO hypotheses about LHO in NOLA.

Armstrong presents conflicting documentations.

Documentation cannot be "rethought".

Read the book.

As for me, I care not at all whether JVB's tales are 100 percent true or 100 percent

false. Whichever it is, nothing she says, whether true or false, adds one iota to our

knowledge of the JFK assassination. I believe everyone should be free to form

individual opinions about this instead of being ridiculed for being in one camp or the

other. My only interest is in truth. If her every statement could be shown to be true,

nobody yet has explained why it matters. Everything she says is more National Enquirer

material than important information. My main concern is that JVB is divisive and

disruptive. I suggest a moratorium till her book comes out, to see exactly what she

claims.

Edited March 15, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

We all make mistakes, Jack. One of yours is suggesting that Judyth adds

nothing to our knowledge of the case, which I have rebutted above. Let

me ask that you not continue to offer that as a reason to discount her.

The chronology was written with the APPROVAL AND PARTICIPATION OF JVB.

I think most of it appeared in the Dealey Plaza Echo. As I recall, it was written

by someone named Williams. I also found the article reprinted on the McAdams

website. I will look it up later and post it. The article states how when the two

of them visited Ochsner, that LHO went in first and talked to him, then asked

JVB in to meet him. I would not make such things up.

The article also says JVB was "evicted", and that LHO found her a new apartment.

Accusing me of making things up is a serious charge.

I will eat breakfast and find the article.

JUDYTH RESPONDS TO JACK WHITE'S "CHRONOLOGY":

THE CHRONOLOGY BY JACK WHITE IS NOT CORRECT, SORRY

I WILL CORRECT THE CHRONOLOGY WITH CAPS AND BOLD FACE...

I am trying to understand the timelines of JVB and LHO, so have

been doing some reading, and found the following of interest:

4-20-63: JVB arrives in NOLA.

4-25-63: LHO arrives in NOLA.

4-25-63 LEE EATS DINNER WITH DAVID FERRIE

4-26-63: JVB meets total stranger LHO in a line at post office.

4-27-63. LHO takes JVB on a NOLA tour to meet...

INCORRECT

...Ferrie

...Bannister PROPER SPELLING, IS BANISTER, WRONG DATE, JACK

...Ochsner WRONG DATE, JACK..HE WAS IN SOUTH AMERICA

4-27-63: JVB and LHO instructed to watch for classified ad for

employment, 640 Magazine Street, by Alvin Prechter.

INCORRECT. I WAS NOT INTERESTED IN WORKING ANY SUCH PLACE UNTIL MAY.

THE AD WAS OUT A FULL TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE WERE TOLD TO RESPOND TO

THEM. FULL DETAILS ARE INCLUDED AND I EXPLAIN WHY IN THE BOOK.

5-1-63: Robert Baker arrives in NOLA and demands immediate marriage.

5-2-63: JVB and Baker elope to Mobile Alabama

5-3-63: Baker leaves his bride of one day.

5-4-63: JVB is evicted from her rented room.

INCORRECT. I WAS NOT EVICTED. POLICE RAIDED THE HOUSE.

DEFINITION OF EVICTION:

Legal Definition of Eviction

Some permanent act by landlord, or by person or thing under his control,

which deprives a tenant of enjoyment of the rented premises.

5-4-63: LHO arranges a new room for JVB.

INCORRECT: LHO MEETS MNISTER AND WIFE WHO TOOK JUDYTH IN ,

AFTER THEY CALL THE MURRETS, WHICH SHE DOES NOT DARE DO

BECAUSE HE IS A MARRIED MAN...HE FINDS AN APARTMENT WITH

BEDROOM, BATHROOM, UNFINISHED KITCHEN AND A LARGE LIVING

ROOM AND PORCH WITH A SWEET, LITTLE OLD LADY AS LANDLADY--

SOMEONE HE KNEW WHEN HE WAS A SCHOOL CHILD, DUE TO A

TEACHER WHO HAD LIVED NEXT DOOR. ADDRESS: 1032 MARENGO,

5-9-63: LHO and JVB interviewed by Prechter at 640 Magazine.

5-10-63: LHO and JVB hired by Standard Coffee Company.

5-17-63: LHO and JVB transferred to Reily Coffee Company.

7-19-63: LHO fired by Reily.

NOTE: AD ORDERED SAME DAY TO REPLACE JUDYTH IN TIMES-PICAYUNE

8-9-63: JVB fired by Reily.

CORRECTION: 8-9-63 LEE OSWALD IS ARRESTED AND AS A CONSEQUENCE

OF BEING SEEN NEARBY, JUDYTH IS FORCED TO RESIGN. SHE WAS NOT FIRED.

What I gather from these timelines:

ISN'T JACK WHITE A GOOD RESEARCHER?

OR IS HE USING INACCURATE SOURCES FROM MCADAMS & CO??

I am trying to understand the timelines of JVB and LHO, so have

been doing some reading, and found the following of interest:

4-20-63: JVB arrives in NOLA.

4-25-63: LHO arrives in NOLA.

4-26-63: JVB meets total stranger LHO in a line at post office.

4-27-63. LHO takes JVB on a NOLA tour to meet...

...Ferrie

...Bannister

...Ochsner

4-27-63: JVB and LHO instructed to watch for classified ad for

employment, 640 Magazine Street, by Alvin Prechter.

5-1-63: Robert Baker arrives in NOLA and demands immediate marriage.

5-2-63: JVB and Baker elope to Mobile Alabama

5-3-63: Baker leaves his bride of one day.

5-4-63: JVB is evicted from her rented room.

5-4-63: LHO arranges a new room for JVB.

5-9-63: LHO and JVB interviewed by Prechter at 640 Magazine.

5-10-63: LHO and JVB hired by Standard Coffee Company.

5-17-63: LHO and JVB transferred to Reily Coffee Company.

7-19-63: LHO fired by Reily.

8-9-63: JVB fired by Reily.

What I gather from these timelines:

1. LHO and JVB knew each other before they worked at Reily's.

2. Within two days of arriving in NOLA, LHO met total stranger JVB

and took her around NOLA introducing her to Ferrie, Bannister and

Ochsner.

3. JVB and LHO were co-employees only from 5-10 until 7-19...

20 days in May, 30 days in June, and 19 days in July...a total of

69 days.

Previously I had been under the impression that ALL of the claimed

association took place at Reily Coffee Company.

Jack

Apparently few bothered to read the timeline of JVB I posted. The implications of it are clear to me.

It reads like a script for "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE".

IMAGINED SCRIPT:

Hello, Miss Vary. Your assignment, if you choose to accept it, is as follows.

Move to New Orleans at your own expense this summer.

On April 26, watch the line of people at general delivery at the Post Office.

When a young man about 5'9" tall gets in line, approach him and drop a folded newspaper.

If he does nothing, he is not your contact.

If he picks up the paper for you, say "Thank You" to him in Russian.

He will confirm that he is your contact.

He will introduce you to people we want you to know in New Orleans.

The next day he will introduce you to a Dr. Ochsner, Dr. Ferrie and our man Guy Banister.

They will instruct you to watch for a classified ad which will place both of you in one of our front companies.

Once in place, you will await further instructions regarding your assignments.

This tape will self-destruct in five seconds.... 4...3...2...1...pfffffft.

[Jack White]

Regarding the FALSE "CORRECTIONS" OF JVB in the previous posting, here

is the source, in THE DEALEY PLAZA ECHO, an article submitted to JVB for

her comments before publication. Obviously she has told so many variations

of her story she cannot remember which is the current version.

...........

EXCERPTED FROM DEALEY PLAZA ECHO

Judyth and Lee in New Orleans

John Delane Williams and Kelly Thomas Cousins

With Comments by Judyth Vary Baker

Time Lines for Judyth and Lee in New Orleans, 1963

Judyth Vary Baker in New Orleans, 1963

April 20: Judyth arrives in New Orleans.

April 26: Judyth meets Oswald in front of the post office when Judyth went there to get a

letter from her fiancé, Robert Baker.

April 27: Oswald introduced Judyth to (Dr.) David Ferrie, who was said to be a colleague

of Dr. Mary Sherman, a noted cancer researcher. Oswald introduced Judyth to Guy

Banister, who confirmed that Oswald was working on the anti-Castro project. Then

Oswald took Judyth to meet Alton Ochsner, M.D., an internationally known physician

working with cancer patients and cancer research. First Oswald went in by himself, and

then he invited Judyth in and introduced her to Dr. Ochsner.

April 27-May 9: Both Judyth and Lee were instructed to read the advertisements for jobs

in the New Orleans Times-Picayune, focusing on the jobs at 640 Magazine, with

interviews with Mr. Alvin Prechter.

May 1: Robert Baker arrived; he wished to get married immediately, because he had to

leave before midnight May 3rd to go to a summer job in the Gulf Coast area.

May 2: Because of a 2-day waiting period in Louisiana, Baker and Judyth eloped to

Mobile, Alabama, where they were married. [28]

May 3: evening: Robert Baker left for his summer employment.

May 3-4 Midnight: Judyth was evicted from her rented room due to a police raid and

found herself on the streets. [Times-Picayune articles for May 4-5 describe these raids]

May 4: By afternoon, Lee helped Judyth move into an apartment at 1032 Marengo,

within walking distance from an apartment he said he was going to take for himself soon

thereafter.

Prior to May 9: Judyth worked at a fast food restaurant, Royal Castle. She worked a total

of 24 hours at Royal Castle. She states that her stipend for her summer internship did not

start with Ochsner for another two weeks (she’d come 2 weeks early to New Orleans due

to the University of Florida being on the trimester schedule, unbeknownst to Ochsner).

Therefore, she had to earn some money to pay for her rent at the YWCA, where she

initially stayed.

May 9: Judyth and Lee were interviewed by A.T. Prechter at 640 Magazine; they were

both hired and began working for Standard Coffee (a small Reily Coffee subsidiary) the

next day. Oswald was interviewed first. Judyth waited at the A-1 Employment Agency

until she was contacted by Oswald. The person whom Judyth spoke to wanted to know if

Judyth got a job at the coffee company, trying to extract a payment for the referral, in

case that Judyth got a job. (29)

May 10: Judyth’s first day at work. Judyth worked as the production floor secretary and

credit research assistant for Mr. William Monaghan, Vice-President and Finance and

Credit Manager of Reily’s Coffee.

May 17: Both Judyth and Lee were transferred to Reily Coffee. They were the only

persons hired by Standard Coffee and the only persons transferred to Reily Coffee during

that time frame.

July 19: The day Oswald was fired at Reily, an ad was ordered, which appeared the

following day in The Times-Picayune, seeking to replace the secretary for Reily’s Vice

President, William Monaghan. No one was hired until the ad was replaced later in the

month by another ad with more attractive details.

August 9: Judyth was terminated by Reily Coffee, the day she was seen with Oswald as

he was passing out pro-Castro leaflets. [30]

end of excerpt.

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Jack, What is the date, volume and number of the issue? I will ask Judyth

to address the questions you have raised. Thanks for posting your response.

Are you asserting that all of her corrections are wrong? And why have you

highlighted the May 9th interview? She didn't correct that one. What's up?

Regarding the FALSE "CORRECTIONS" OF JVB in the previous posting, here

is the source, in THE DEALEY PLAZA ECHO, an article submitted to JVB for

her comments before publication. Obviously she has told so many variations

of her story she cannot remember which is the current version.

...........

EXCERPTED FROM DEALEY PLAZA ECHO

Judyth and Lee in New Orleans

John Delane Williams and Kelly Thomas Cousins

With Comments by Judyth Vary Baker

Time Lines for Judyth and Lee in New Orleans, 1963

Judyth Vary Baker in New Orleans, 1963

April 20: Judyth arrives in New Orleans.

April 26: Judyth meets Oswald in front of the post office when Judyth went there to get a

letter from her fiancé, Robert Baker.

April 27: Oswald introduced Judyth to (Dr.) David Ferrie, who was said to be a colleague

of Dr. Mary Sherman, a noted cancer researcher. Oswald introduced Judyth to Guy

Banister, who confirmed that Oswald was working on the anti-Castro project. Then

Oswald took Judyth to meet Alton Ochsner, M.D., an internationally known physician

working with cancer patients and cancer research. First Oswald went in by himself, and

then he invited Judyth in and introduced her to Dr. Ochsner.

April 27-May 9: Both Judyth and Lee were instructed to read the advertisements for jobs

in the New Orleans Times-Picayune, focusing on the jobs at 640 Magazine, with

interviews with Mr. Alvin Prechter.

May 1: Robert Baker arrived; he wished to get married immediately, because he had to

leave before midnight May 3rd to go to a summer job in the Gulf Coast area.

May 2: Because of a 2-day waiting period in Louisiana, Baker and Judyth eloped to

Mobile, Alabama, where they were married. [28]

May 3: evening: Robert Baker left for his summer employment.

May 3-4 Midnight: Judyth was evicted from her rented room due to a police raid and

found herself on the streets. [Times-Picayune articles for May 4-5 describe these raids]

May 4: By afternoon, Lee helped Judyth move into an apartment at 1032 Marengo,

within walking distance from an apartment he said he was going to take for himself soon

thereafter.

Prior to May 9: Judyth worked at a fast food restaurant, Royal Castle. She worked a total

of 24 hours at Royal Castle. She states that her stipend for her summer internship did not

start with Ochsner for another two weeks (she’d come 2 weeks early to New Orleans due

to the University of Florida being on the trimester schedule, unbeknownst to Ochsner).

Therefore, she had to earn some money to pay for her rent at the YWCA, where she

initially stayed.

May 9: Judyth and Lee were interviewed by A.T. Prechter at 640 Magazine; they were

both hired and began working for Standard Coffee (a small Reily Coffee subsidiary) the

next day. Oswald was interviewed first. Judyth waited at the A-1 Employment Agency

until she was contacted by Oswald. The person whom Judyth spoke to wanted to know if

Judyth got a job at the coffee company, trying to extract a payment for the referral, in

case that Judyth got a job. (29)

May 10: Judyth’s first day at work. Judyth worked as the production floor secretary and

credit research assistant for Mr. William Monaghan, Vice-President and Finance and

Credit Manager of Reily’s Coffee.

May 17: Both Judyth and Lee were transferred to Reily Coffee. They were the only

persons hired by Standard Coffee and the only persons transferred to Reily Coffee during

that time frame.

July 19: The day Oswald was fired at Reily, an ad was ordered, which appeared the

following day in The Times-Picayune, seeking to replace the secretary for Reily’s Vice

President, William Monaghan. No one was hired until the ad was replaced later in the

month by another ad with more attractive details.

August 9: Judyth was terminated by Reily Coffee, the day she was seen with Oswald as

he was passing out pro-Castro leaflets. [30]

end of excerpt.

Edited March 15, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Jack White]

I highlighted that because she says she was "not interested in working in any

such place".

I am not "asserting her corrections are wrong"...but that they are at odds with

what she had previously approved.

All DP Echo issues are available at the Mary Ferrell Archives. McAdams also

reprinted the article on his site. I did not keep a record of the date and issue,

but seem to remember it was 2005. You can google it...that is what I did.

Gotta go now...doctor's appointment.

Jack, What is the date, volume and number of the issue? I will ask Judyth

to address the questions you have raised. Thanks for posting your response.

Are you asserting that all of her corrections are wrong? And why have you

highlighted the May 9th interview? She didn't correct that one. What's up?

Regarding the FALSE "CORRECTIONS" OF JVB in the previous posting, here

is the source, in THE DEALEY PLAZA ECHO, an article submitted to JVB for

her comments before publication. Obviously she has told so many variations

of her story she cannot remember which is the current version.

...........

EXCERPTED FROM DEALEY PLAZA ECHO

Judyth and Lee in New Orleans

John Delane Williams and Kelly Thomas Cousins

With Comments by Judyth Vary Baker

Time Lines for Judyth and Lee in New Orleans, 1963

Judyth Vary Baker in New Orleans, 1963

April 20: Judyth arrives in New Orleans.

April 26: Judyth meets Oswald in front of the post office when Judyth went there to get a

letter from her fiancé, Robert Baker.

April 27: Oswald introduced Judyth to (Dr.) David Ferrie, who was said to be a colleague

of Dr. Mary Sherman, a noted cancer researcher. Oswald introduced Judyth to Guy

Banister, who confirmed that Oswald was working on the anti-Castro project. Then

Oswald took Judyth to meet Alton Ochsner, M.D., an internationally known physician

working with cancer patients and cancer research. First Oswald went in by himself, and

then he invited Judyth in and introduced her to Dr. Ochsner.

April 27-May 9: Both Judyth and Lee were instructed to read the advertisements for jobs

in the New Orleans Times-Picayune, focusing on the jobs at 640 Magazine, with

interviews with Mr. Alvin Prechter.

May 1: Robert Baker arrived; he wished to get married immediately, because he had to

leave before midnight May 3rd to go to a summer job in the Gulf Coast area.

May 2: Because of a 2-day waiting period in Louisiana, Baker and Judyth eloped to

Mobile, Alabama, where they were married. [28]

May 3: evening: Robert Baker left for his summer employment.

May 3-4 Midnight: Judyth was evicted from her rented room due to a police raid and

found herself on the streets. [Times-Picayune articles for May 4-5 describe these raids]

May 4: By afternoon, Lee helped Judyth move into an apartment at 1032 Marengo,

within walking distance from an apartment he said he was going to take for himself soon

thereafter.

Prior to May 9: Judyth worked at a fast food restaurant, Royal Castle. She worked a total

of 24 hours at Royal Castle. She states that her stipend for her summer internship did not

start with Ochsner for another two weeks (she’d come 2 weeks early to New Orleans due

to the University of Florida being on the trimester schedule, unbeknownst to Ochsner).

Therefore, she had to earn some money to pay for her rent at the YWCA, where she

initially stayed.

May 9: Judyth and Lee were interviewed by A.T. Prechter at 640 Magazine; they were

both hired and began working for Standard Coffee (a small Reily Coffee subsidiary) the

next day. Oswald was interviewed first. Judyth waited at the A-1 Employment Agency

until she was contacted by Oswald. The person whom Judyth spoke to wanted to know if

Judyth got a job at the coffee company, trying to extract a payment for the referral, in

case that Judyth got a job. (29)

May 10: Judyth’s first day at work. Judyth worked as the production floor secretary and

credit research assistant for Mr. William Monaghan, Vice-President and Finance and

Credit Manager of Reily’s Coffee.

May 17: Both Judyth and Lee were transferred to Reily Coffee. They were the only

persons hired by Standard Coffee and the only persons transferred to Reily Coffee during

that time frame.

July 19: The day Oswald was fired at Reily, an ad was ordered, which appeared the

following day in The Times-Picayune, seeking to replace the secretary for Reily’s Vice

President, William Monaghan. No one was hired until the ad was replaced later in the

month by another ad with more attractive details.

August 9: Judyth was terminated by Reily Coffee, the day she was seen with Oswald as

he was passing out pro-Castro leaflets. [30]

end of excerpt.

Edited March 15, 2010 by Jack White

[Barb Junkkarinen]

I DON'T GET IT, BARB. JUDYTH HAS LOADS OF PROOF. YOU SIMPLY IGNORE IT (AGAIN AND AGAIN)!

I am not sure what you think this Spring 1961 article, she was a senior in high school, proves, Jim. I have it, have seen it many times. There is no doubt Judyth was an amazing science student. There is no doubt she attended this seminar in Florida .... though the news article notes she was invited, Judyth insists she "crashed" it on the first day and was invited to come back for the other days ... and it was at this seminar that she was invited to attend the Roswell summer program and Dr. George Moore (Howard in the article is an error), and he chose her to be his student that he would mentor. Every student was picked by and mentored by one of the department/lab heads for the course of the program.

My comments about what happened at Roswell, that she was dismissed from the program, is what was written to me by a man who is the dean of students, a vice-president and a professor there, a news reporter writing an article on Judyth a year or so ago was able to confirm that information; Team Judyth hit Roswell Park so hard in the aftermath, that Roswell Park shut down completely on it, and they are not willing to disclose the reason. I was able to confirm there was a problem and she was dismissed by one other student who attended the same session. I can only report what I learned from two sources, one of them Roswell Park itself ... and that later a reporter independently confirmed that she had been dismissed from the program with Roswell Park.

Shooting the messenger isn't going to change anything.

This was all an acidental discovery as I did not contact Roswell Park to confirm Judyth had attended the summer program, on that I didn't think there was any doubt, this is not the only newsclipping about it. And that she might not have completed the program never crossed my mind. My first contact there was to ask a general question about students in these programs and how rare it was for a student in the 60s to have produced cancer in mice in high school ... I said that I was doing some research that involved a former summer program student, but I did not mention her name. He responded, saying that if I gave him the name of the student, he might be able to find out who her mentor was. I told him the name was Judy Vary, she was there the summer of 1961, and that I believed her mentor was Dr. Moore, but that it would be great to have that confirmed.

A few days went by .... and it was over a weekend ... and I received his reply apologizing that it took so long to get back to me and saying that he had looked into it and discovered that she had not completed the program as "she had been dismissed."

This was from a high placed person, in the right position, at Roswell Park itself, but I decided I wanted to confirm that info elsewhere. I was able to find and contact another student who attended that summer ... and after asking several questions about the experience there and about the program in general, I ran some names by them to see if they remembered any of these other students. They remembered a couple of the names I mentioned ... Judy Vary was the last name I mentioned, and they reacted immediately and confirmed there had been some big problem and then "she was gone." Another student I was able to find and contact, was able to tell me about the program, but did not remember anything about Judy Vary.

I posted the letter I had received along with the rest of the info ... redacting the RP person's name and contact info so as to not set off a flood ... I did send all the info to Martin, who promised not to disperse that info to anyone. But rather than have one person (Martin with the info) contact RP, Judyth supporters deluged RP with phone calls. And they clammed up.

Martin did post that the alumni office record shows she attended and received $250 in grant money (that was a stipend all students received while there, money to pay for board wherever they were living, food and incidentals, etc). Judyth herself has said that she received $150 per month. It was an 8 week program. You do the math. The other two students told me about their stipends, and they provided details about how the program worked .... and about what went on at the end of the program. I got that general information from them before I ever mentioned Judyth's name. Their details differ significantly from details Judyth has provided.

Barb :-)

[Jack White]

Which account is correct? Since both originated from the same source,

why do they differ?

Edited March 15, 2010 by Jack White

[Jack White]

Here is the Williams 2007 DP ECHO article. I am using the

McAdams reprinting of it, since it is much easier to read

as a PDF file rather than the small type in the ECHO

article:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Judya...nNewOrleans.pdf

Much of it differs from what JVB says in 2010.

[John Dolva]

Just a correction. Glenn alerted me to a mistake in my notes on the translation and after rereading, I see he is correct. I wrote she had met OBL but it actually says her case as presented includes she is, on the internet, wrongly associated with Osama Bin Laden and a claim she has met him personally.

Again I defer to, and urge all to recognise Glenns expertise in Swedish English translations.

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

OK, Jack. I am going to ask Judyth about it. I don't know about

you, but I would have a hard time keeping all this straight. Let me

ask you a question. Do you acknowledge, given what I have posed

above, that what Judyth has to tell us--assuming she is "the real deal",

which you dispute--DOES ADD TO OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CASE

IN VARIOUS REPECTS, such as regarding Ochsner, Phillips, and Files?

Here is the Williams 2007 DP ECHO article. I am using the

McAdams reprinting of it, since it is much easier to read

as a PDF file rather than the small type in the ECHO

article:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Judya...nNewOrleans.pdf

Much of it differs from what JVB says in 2010.

Edited March 15, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JUDYTH REPLIES ABOUT BLACKBURST (STEPHEN ROY):

1) Blackburst (Stephen Roy) as master know-it-all about Dave Ferrie---a

master operator is the proper term...with a huge, huge, huge discourse

that wears everybody out, re Oswald's loose tooth...Lee told me his version,

the Warren Commission has another...It is pages and pages long, and it is

next...We won that fight, but you can’t tell on the internet...And they erased

all our posts...Trust me, between 2004 and the big gap to 2008 that now

exists, there were thousands of posts made by kind supporters--all gone...

2) Dave Ferrie and his plane...Blackburst said it was unusable...So much to

say about this...Dave had access to Marcello's planes, which Blackkburst

ignores...

3) Blackburst will bring up that Ferrie drove all that way in nice weather,

not a rainstorm, night of Nov. 22, 1963....Long fight--I have the weather

records showing Blackburst only refers to New Orleans for rainfall--not

the entire gulf coast driven through that night--I got the weather records,

but let them carry on until stopped by the records...

Then they will bring up something else...Probably the ring...

4) The ring was a test that Blackburst devised, then changed after I got

the right answer. He waited two years--we believe he waited for the

witness to die--then changed his verdict....They have twisted around

everything, too...I was on a plane headed for New York for "60 Minutes"

with no access to computer when Blackburst demanded an immediate

answer to his question...He did not get his answer until I could get to a

computer the next day, and Backburst accused Platzman of giving me

the 'right' answer--a lie.

You see, everybody is lying except for them.

Dr. Platzman will tell you how mean and distorted they have made this

ring story. When they bring it up--They will simply declare it 'proves' I

knew nothing about Ferrie...They are lying and we were able to prove

it...Another mass of pages of defence needed...They are trying to wear

all of us out

5) After the ring, they will bring up the layout of Dave's apartment that I

drew in 2003 when Nigel Turner and I visited and I told him it was 'about'

the same. They remove the 'about’ and then point out a door or something

that got moved as 'evidence' that I did not know the layout in 1963.

Let me tell you, that place inside could have been gutted and completely

changed around since 1963--but it was not and I declared that. Not good

enough for the lynch mob. I have the layout attached.

BTW, the house pictured here at 1032 Marengo is BEFORE a LONDON-based

doctor purchased it and completely gutted it and moved the door to the

center.

It then no longer resembles Lee Oswald's sketch in his address book. I have

attached a photo of the house before it was so very conveniently 'renovated'.

[Barb Junkkarinen]

(2) JUDYTH TALKES ABOUT DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS

LEE TOLD ME THAT DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS WAS THE ONE WHO MASTERMINDED MUCH OF THE

ASSASSINATION OF JOHN F. KENNEDY. HE TOLD ME THAT PHILLIPS AND OTHERS WOULD BE PRESENT

TO WATCH JFK GO DOWN. ADDITIONAL DETAILS ARE IN THE BOOK.

An excerpt from David Lifton's conversation with Judyth.

On the question of whether Lee every met with David Atlee Phillips and whether

Lee knew Phillips by his real name; and the question of whether other employees

at Reily knew Phillips by either or both names ("Bishop" or Phillips), here's what

Judyth told me on March 4, 2000:

QUOTE ON:

JVB: What I simply want to do. . I want you to know that [Oswald] is an

innocent man; this is a man who had a chance to get out of this thing, and

he stuck it out. OK? He stuck it out. Of course, he wanted to get out

alive, and all that, but that is not the point, but he, [starts to get upset] he

knew that; [pause, starts to cry--dsl] he knew, we knew things were really

bad when Phillips didn't show up.

He told me, [recovers; now sounds cheerful-DSL] listen -I didn't know

what David Atlee Phillips name was until our last phone conversation,

or maybe a couple before that. I can't remember. But he told me, to

NEVER forget his name. He told me, "never forget his name."

DSL: How did he know his name, by the way?

JVB: Oh, he met him. But, listen, I'd overheard, we'd overheard, I'd

overheard his name before, over at Reily's. They talked about a guy

named Bishop, and [someone] said, 'That's Phillips", and so I had an

idea who that was.

This raises obvious questions - and here are the questions David had for Martin Shackelford:

QUESTIONS FOR MARTIN SHACKELFORD:

1) Did Judyth tell you, as she did me, that she knew Phillips by his real name,

*and* by his alias?

2) Did she tell you that Lee Oswald knew Phillips by his real name, *and* his

alias??

3) If Phillips was involved in a covert operation that involved LHO, do you think

he'd tell him BOTH his alias and his real name?

4) IF Phillips was involved in a covert operation, do you think he'd have

anything whatsoever to do with employees at Reily Coffee-again for any reason;

but, just for the sake of argument, let's say he did.

Do you believe that he'd be using both his real name AND his alias? If so, this

has got to be one of the most insecure operations in intelligence history: not only

does the low level agent, supposedly working directly under the CIA' Chief of

the Western Hemisphere Division know both his names, but so does his

girlfriend! And, in addition, so do numerous others at the coffee company where

he is employed, oiling the machinery!

Indeed, David's last comment sums it up rather well, imo.

(3) JUDYTH TALKS ABOUT JAMES FILES

IT GETS SO TOUGH, BEING A WITNESS. YOU MAKE ENEMIES BECAUSE YOUR TESTIMONY DOESN'T FIT

JIMMY SAID ONE THING CORRECT, SO I BELIEVE HE MET LEE OSWALD BUT IS NOT TELLING

EVERYTHING AS IT HAPPENED, OR HE HEARD IT FROM SOMEBODY WHO MET LEE. LEE HAD

A TINY SCAR NOBODY NOTICES ON HIS LIP. WIM ASKED ME HOW LEE GOT THE SCAR AND

I TOLD HIM, IN THE MARINES DURING BOOT CAMP, AND EXPLAINED THE INCIDENT.

NOW, FILES KNEW IT, TOO, AND I CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW HE DID.

It is no mystery how anyone would know that information. It is in Oswald's autopsy report.

Midline, upper lip, terminating at the vermillion margin is a 1/4 inch pale scar.

NOTE: The vermillion is where the pink lip tissue and the skin meet.

Barb :-)

Edited March 15, 2010 by Barb Junkkarinen

[Greg Burnham]

(3) JUDYTH TALKS ABOUT JAMES FILES

IT GETS SO TOUGH, BEING A WITNESS. YOU MAKE ENEMIES BECAUSE YOUR TESTIMONY DOESN'T FIT

JIMMY SAID ONE THING CORRECT, SO I BELIEVE HE MET LEE OSWALD BUT IS NOT TELLING

EVERYTHING AS IT HAPPENED, OR HE HEARD IT FROM SOMEBODY WHO MET LEE. LEE HAD

A TINY SCAR NOBODY NOTICES ON HIS LIP. WIM ASKED ME HOW LEE GOT THE SCAR AND

I TOLD HIM, IN THE MARINES DURING BOOT CAMP, AND EXPLAINED THE INCIDENT.

NOW, FILES KNEW IT, TOO, AND I CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW HE DID.

It is no mystery how anyone would know that information. It is in Oswald's autopsy report.

Midline, upper lip, terminating at the vermillion margin is a 1/4 inch pale scar.

NOTE: The vermillion is where the pink lip tissue and the skin meet.

Barb :-)

Barb,

Not so fast. The scar might be in the report, but does the report state HOW the scar got there?

[Jack White]

Jim...You have your opinions and I have mine about what constitutes "new evidence" in the JFK case.

I have not read her "book", but have read enough "excerpts" to have an idea what she claims. In

all of that, I HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED ANY NEW INFORMATION WHICH ADDS TO MY UNDERSTANDING

of what happened in Dallas. To ME, what she says either is not relevant, not new, not important, or not

believable...so I find nothing of value to any of it. It does nothing to change our understanding of

what happened in DP or Bethesda. The autopsy is still faked, the brain is still substituted, the

Zapruder film still faked. The backyard photos were faked to frame LHO, etc., etc. etc. Nothing she

says CHANGES ANY OF THE "SETTLED" FACTS.

You and others who choose to think the opposite are entitled to your beliefs. But that does not mean

that others must change their evaluations. I have seen nothing that makes me sit up and take notice.

To the contrary, it is difficult to pin down just what she does claim. In 2007 an article for which she

initiated the information for and read in advance says that the second day she had known LHO, he

took her to meet Dr. Ochsner; that she waited in the outer office while Lee went in, and that he came

out and took her in and introduced her to the doctor. Now, in 2010, she says that is wrong...that

he was in South America at that time. Previously I had read that she had been invited to come to

New Orleans to be an intern under Dr. Ochsner. Now if you can sort this out and make sense of it,

you are better than I am at interpreting conflicting statements. I find this (and many other things)

too confusing to sort out or bother with. And so what? Was Ochsner behind the assassination? Or

if he had ANY involvement, was it important? I do not get that impression from ANYTHING JVB has

said. Even if EVERYTHING she says is true, it does not enhance the things we already knew.

I agree with you that "I AM HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING ALL OF THIS STRAIGHT". It is difficult

to hit a moving target.

Warm regards.

Jack

OK, Jack. I am going to ask Judyth about it. I don't know about

you, but I would have a hard time keeping all this straight. Let me

ask you a question. Do you acknowledge, given what I have posed

above, that what Judyth has to tell us--assuming she is "the real deal",

which you dispute--DOES ADD TO OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CASE

IN VARIOUS REPECTS, such as regarding Ochsner, Phillips, and Files?

Here is the Williams 2007 DP ECHO article. I am using the

McAdams reprinting of it, since it is much easier to read

as a PDF file rather than the small type in the ECHO

article:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Judya...nNewOrleans.pdf

Much of it differs from what JVB says in 2010.