Oswald in Doorway?

[Peter McGuire]

Yes, I know, an old question that has been "resolved" long ago. He is not Oswald, he is ( insert name that has been manufactured by the cover up artists) Let me guess , complete with a story that we are supposed to believe, just because it is not being told by some "conspiracy nuts" but rational people who are just trying to calm the situation? Right?

I have more reason to believe that it could very well be Oswald, that any story the Lone Neuters tell me.

[Dean Hagerman]

I am a die hard CT, and im 100% sure that its Billy Lovelady

[David Butler]

I am a die hard CT, and im 100% sure that its Billy Lovelady

I agree with Dean on this one..It's Billy Nolan Lovelady on the steps....Oswald never claimed to be outside the building but in the lunchroom at the time as far as I'm aware...

[Peter McGuire]

That is fine my friend.

Reminds me of Witt. He was not even manufactured until much later - Lovelady was addressed right away in the Warren Report. But that just means they had to "splain" it right away, rather than when they got "caught" as in the case of U & R Men.

And I am only talking of two points here in a case where there are thousands of holes that had to be filled - the pre-assassination meeting in Texas for example.

The list is endless.

My point is some guy says he is this guy in the picture. How convienient! I say "so what."

And , maybe he is, and maybe he isn't.

In the end, we all know that this actually being the alleged assassin otherwise know as the patsy, actually being photographed so convieniently is unlikely.

Too many holes filled up though and too many "explanations" of things such as these that we are supposed to believe.

Edited August 8, 2010 by Peter McGuire

[Dean Hagerman]

[Peter McGuire]

I am a die hard CT, and im 100% sure that its Billy Lovelady

I agree with Dean on this one..It's Billy Nolan Lovelady on the steps....Oswald never claimed to be outside the building but in the lunchroom at the time as far as I'm aware...

Got it. It does not match with Oswald's actual location in the lunchroom. But remember, the Neuters do not agree with that. So they still had to dispose of this story.

Sorry though. Those pictures come at me like Miss Othmar in Peanuts. So while it may very well be a moot point, I am just saying too many stories have been convieniently manufactured.

Edited August 8, 2010 by Peter McGuire

[Jack White]

I cannot believe that 50 years later there is still a question about the man in the doorway.

If it is not LHO, it is immaterial who it may be. I do not find convincing evidence that it is

Oswald.

I have never been convinced by available evidence that it was Lovelady. Numerous reasons.

Other evidence seems to place LHO elsewhere.

But I find Lovelady a somewhat suspicious character. I believe the plaid shirt he posed

in years later is NOT the same shirt of the man in the police station. His claim to have

"been harassed out of Dallas" seems strange, and his early death seems unusual.

There are far more important issues to discuss.

Jack

[Peter McGuire]

There are far more important issues to discuss.

Jack

We agree that it is not Lovelady or Oswald. My intention was to discuss the fact that it didn't make a difference to us whether it was Oswald, yet it does to the Neuters.

And that it is probably not Lovelady either.

This question has not really been discussed in the last "50" years.

Edited August 8, 2010 by Peter McGuire

[Dean Hagerman]

And that it is probably not Lovelady either.

Yes it is

Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunchroom during the assassination

Lovelady was right where he said he was, just as we see him is Altgens

[Peter McGuire]

And that it is probably not Lovelady either.

Yes it is

Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunchroom during the assassination

Lovelady was right where he said he was, just as we see him is Altgens

I believe Dean that it was not Oswald since he was he was in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

I am not however, convinced that the man in the picture was Lovelady.

What you are doing is expecting me to believe it was one man just because it is not another.

I do not think it was either.

Edited August 8, 2010 by Peter McGuire

[Dean Hagerman]

I am not however, convinced that the man in the picture was Lovelady.

Why not?

Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - Who was with you?

Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me

Mr. BALL - What was that last name?

Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.

Mr. BALL - What is the first name?

Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.

Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?

Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.

Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by

Mr. LOVELADY - Right.

Mr. BALL - Did you hear anything?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.

Mr. BALL - What did you hear?

Mr. LOVELADY - I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot.

Mr. BALL - Who was this girl?

Mr. LOVELADY - Gloria Calvary.

Mr. BALL - Gloria Calvary?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Where does she work?

Mr. LOVELADY - Southwestern Publishing Co.

Mr. BALL - Where was the direction of the sound?

Mr. LOVELADY - Right there around that concrete little deal on that knoll.

Mr. BALL - That's where it sounded to you?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; to my right. I was standing as you are going down the steps, I was standing on the right, sounded like it was in that area.

Mr. BALL - From the underpass area?

Mr. LOVELADY - Between the underpass and the building right on that knoll.

Mr. BALL - I have got a picture here, Commission Exhibit 369. Are you on that picture?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are.

Mr. LOVELADY - Where I thought the shots are?

Mr. BALL - No; you in the picture.

Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, here (indicating).

Mr. BALL - Draw an arrow down to that; do it in the dark. You got an arrow in the dark and one in the white pointing toward you. Where were you when the picture was taken?

Mr. LOVELADY - Right there at the entrance of the building standing on the the step, would be here (indicating).

Mr. BALL - You were standing on which step?

Mr. LOVELADY - It would be your top level.

Mr. BALL - The top step you were standing there?

Mr. LOVELADY - Right.

[Peter McGuire]

TESTIMONY OF BILLY NOLAN LOVELADY

The testimony of Billy Nolan Lovelady was taken at 3:50 p.m., on April 7, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Messrs. Joseph A. Ball and Samuel A. Stern, assistant counsel of the President's Commission, commonly known as the Warren Commission after its chairman, Chief Justice of the United States Earl Warren.

You cite the discredited Warren Commission report which means absolutely nothing!

I still do not think that it was Oswald in the door since he was on the second floor, but that does not mean it had to be Lovelady.

If you have something else, Dean besides the Warren Report, I am all ears. ( for the Corrs, too)

Edited August 9, 2010 by Peter McGuire

[Dean Hagerman]

Why dont you tell everyone that you accused me of something I didnt do

Come on Peter, you are doing what you are so against, accusing an innocent man (i.e. Oswald)

Why in the world would you do that to me?

I have never in my life nor would I ever even think of inserting a false quote into another members post

Why would you think for a second that it would be ok to accuse me of doing that?

Lets ask the member I get into it the most with

Hey Craig, out of all the times we have got into it have I ever inserted a fake quote into one of your posts that I replied to?

[David Von Pein]

"That's Billy Lovelady [in the doorway]." -- Buell Wesley Frazier; July 1986 [at 8:35 in the video below]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzw3RlNgR1s

Edited August 9, 2010 by David Von Pein

[Jack White]

From an internet website:

Within days of the assassination the photo of Oswald in the doorway was available for all the world to see. The Dallas Police, FBI and Warren Commission said the person in the doorway was not Oswald but was another employee of the depository named Billy Lovelady. That defies not only people's own eyes when looking at the photos but the evidence of these agencies themselves. In an FBI report of an interview with Billy Lovelady, he told them he was at the depository watching the motorcade and was wearing a short-sleeved red and white vertical-striped shirt and in the photos taken by the FBI that is exactly what Lovelady is wearing.

In the photo Lovelady is sitting in profile at the police station as Oswald is being escorted out of the room, his back to the camera. Notice Oswald's shirt is pulled down off his left shoulder with just his white tee shirt showing. An employee of the depository testified before the Warren Commission that he was Lovelady's superior and that he saw him sitting on the steps of the depository as the motorcade went by not standing in the doorway. Other depository witnesses testified before the Warren Commission that Lovelady was sitting on the steps of the depository not standing in the doorway.

Edited August 9, 2010 by Jack White