John Ritchson Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 This is a basic [how-done-it] article on the forging of CE-399 proving multible rifles we entered into evidence as "THE KILL-SHOT WEAPON" I will try to post the comparison photos on this forum but if not they can be found on Jerry McCleer's website. ____________________________________________________________________ That the forgers of the Archive's Rifle Serial Number correctly approximated the positional spacing of the charactors is about all that can be said for them as the rest of the job is reflective of the efforts of rank amateurs. The beginning and end of each charactor in the Archive photo is much more ornate than the charactors stamped on the Moschettieri del Duce Carcano as depicted in Mike O'Neil's Life photo, beginning in a tear-drop configuration. The charactors in the Life photo show no such tear-drop imprint, indicating that a different set of metal stamps were used. Also, the letter,[C] in the archive photo ends in a curious, blocky base that makes it almost look like a "G". The first operation in forging serial numbers is to fashion a set of metal stamps that closely resemble the origional stamps by either working off of photos or even better, taking a wax print of the origional serial numbers and producing from it a metal-mold using the Lost Wax Process. That the forgers did not do this indicated to me that they were pressed for time and left out some critical steps, or they were simply incompentent, take your pick. Next, the barrel to be altered must be unscrewed from the reciever and pre-heated in a forge to a uniform temperture above the temperture needed to draw the barrel's temper, known as the annealation point in which the barrel just begins to glow red in a dark room. This is done to insure uniformity in the subsequent operations. I will explain later how I know this step was not done by the forgers. The next step involves taking the barrel which is now at the annealing temperture and adding to the barrel's original serial numbers, sufficient metal as to completely fill in the charactors, usually by welding a bead across the original charactors using steel of the same metalurgical properties as the barrel steel. I found that 7018 low hydrogen welding rod is compatable to most barrel steel, but I believe the forgers in this case used a mild-steel general purpose rod such as 7014 which can cause problems which I will expand upon later. This is the step at which the forgers started. An even better method involves using a rare gas heli-arc welder and using rod fashioned from rifle barrel steel as a filler which makes the forgery even more difficult to detect. After the now welded barrel has been allowed to slowly cool in a pre- heated kiln to preserve the annealation, it is placed on a lathe and turned down until the weld has been feathered out of the barrel, leaving a now pristine barrel. The forgers jumped the cool-down step and simply removed the weld. Finally, the annealed pristine barrel is restamped with the new serial numbers and reheated up to the temper point, and then quenched in such a way as to properly draw the barrel's temper to insure a uniform meld all the way around. I believe the forgers left out this step as well. If these steps are not closely followed, any barrel so altered will show evidence of that fact in the form of pitting, and hard spots due to the uneven thermodynamic conditions the barrel will be exposed to. Also, there will be discoloration and a clear line of demarcation between the area welded and the rest of the barrel, but this is usually too fine of a distinction to be resolved in a photo so I'll not address that issue, as I'm still evaluating the evidence jerrymac has posted. Now, look at the bottom of the letter, [C] and the numerals, [2], and [7] on the archive photos. you will see defects present whereby the pitting and hard spots prevented the metal stamps from making a clean imprint on the barrel. This proves the forgers did not anneal the rifle barrel prior to welding the bead on it. Also, the shine of reflected light off of this area of the rifle's barrel in the archive photo indicates that the barrel was not properly blued or anodized subsequent to the forgery. [Combat weapons are not supposed to reflect light in this manner.] This is how I know the archive rifle's serial number was forged and how I know that the forgers were either rank amateurs or else they were so pressed for time that they couldn't do a proper job of it, and the reason I know how to forge serial numbers is because part of my business is authenticating rare and classic firearms and detecting forgeries is a major part of that, and I might add, I'm damned good at it. With Regard, John Ritchson(SSGT. 499th TC USATC HG US Army Class of 69) (GunSmith/Ballistician,Black Eagle Gun Works) (Survivor, SE Asian Games, 11BRAVO7,Tet 1970) ************************************************************ The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it) but "That's Funny..." Isaac Asimov ************************************************************ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 This is a basic [how-done-it] article on the forging of CE-399 proving multible rifles we entered into evidence as "THE KILL-SHOT WEAPON" I will try to post the comparison photos on this forum but if not they can be found on Jerry McCleer's website. ____________________________________________________________________ That the forgers of the Archive's Rifle Serial Number correctly approximated the positional spacing of the charactors is about all that can be said for them as the rest of the job is reflective of the efforts of rank amateurs. The beginning and end of each charactor in the Archive photo is much more ornate than the charactors stamped on the Moschettieri del Duce Carcano as depicted in Mike O'Neil's Life photo, beginning in a tear-drop configuration. The charactors in the Life photo show no such tear-drop imprint, indicating that a different set of metal stamps were used. Also, the letter,[C] in the archive photo ends in a curious, blocky base that makes it almost look like a "G". The first operation in forging serial numbers is to fashion a set of metal stamps that closely resemble the origional stamps by either working off of photos or even better, taking a wax print of the origional serial numbers and producing from it a metal-mold using the Lost Wax Process. That the forgers did not do this indicated to me that they were pressed for time and left out some critical steps, or they were simply incompentent, take your pick. Next, the barrel to be altered must be unscrewed from the reciever and pre-heated in a forge to a uniform temperture above the temperture needed to draw the barrel's temper, known as the annealation point in which the barrel just begins to glow red in a dark room. This is done to insure uniformity in the subsequent operations. I will explain later how I know this step was not done by the forgers. The next step involves taking the barrel which is now at the annealing temperture and adding to the barrel's original serial numbers, sufficient metal as to completely fill in the charactors, usually by welding a bead across the original charactors using steel of the same metalurgical properties as the barrel steel. I found that 7018 low hydrogen welding rod is compatable to most barrel steel, but I believe the forgers in this case used a mild-steel general purpose rod such as 7014 which can cause problems which I will expand upon later. This is the step at which the forgers started. An even better method involves using a rare gas heli-arc welder and using rod fashioned from rifle barrel steel as a filler which makes the forgery even more difficult to detect. After the now welded barrel has been allowed to slowly cool in a pre- heated kiln to preserve the annealation, it is placed on a lathe and turned down until the weld has been feathered out of the barrel, leaving a now pristine barrel. The forgers jumped the cool-down step and simply removed the weld. Finally, the annealed pristine barrel is restamped with the new serial numbers and reheated up to the temper point, and then quenched in such a way as to properly draw the barrel's temper to insure a uniform meld all the way around. I believe the forgers left out this step as well. If these steps are not closely followed, any barrel so altered will show evidence of that fact in the form of pitting, and hard spots due to the uneven thermodynamic conditions the barrel will be exposed to. Also, there will be discoloration and a clear line of demarcation between the area welded and the rest of the barrel, but this is usually too fine of a distinction to be resolved in a photo so I'll not address that issue, as I'm still evaluating the evidence jerrymac has posted. Now, look at the bottom of the letter, [C] and the numerals, [2], and [7] on the archive photos. you will see defects present whereby the pitting and hard spots prevented the metal stamps from making a clean imprint on the barrel. This proves the forgers did not anneal the rifle barrel prior to welding the bead on it. Also, the shine of reflected light off of this area of the rifle's barrel in the archive photo indicates that the barrel was not properly blued or anodized subsequent to the forgery. [Combat weapons are not supposed to reflect light in this manner.] This is how I know the archive rifle's serial number was forged and how I know that the forgers were either rank amateurs or else they were so pressed for time that they couldn't do a proper job of it, and the reason I know how to forge serial numbers is because part of my business is authenticating rare and classic firearms and detecting forgeries is a major part of that, and I might add, I'm damned good at it. With Regard, John Ritchson(SSGT. 499th TC USATC HG US Army Class of 69) (GunSmith/Ballistician,Black Eagle Gun Works) (Survivor, SE Asian Games, 11BRAVO7,Tet 1970) ************************************************************ The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it) but "That's Funny..." Isaac Asimov ************************************************************ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, Sarge. Great explanation. I recommend Jerry McCleer's excellent website to everyone. Go to http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/c2766.html Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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