Kathleen Collins Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 (edited) The posts I read happened in Feb. of this year -- and the fallout is now? I don't understand. Evan or someone, can you explain this to me? I wonder what will happen to Myra now. Everyone makes a mistake sometimes. Something like this could serve as an example to everyone. But reinstate Myra on some level. She was your colleague. Don't all turn against her. Is this life and death? Kennedy has already been shot and killed. Why such infighting? Kathy C Edited December 26, 2010 by Kathleen Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 (edited) I had known about the Peter Tosh name back in 08, but had forgotten. And Myra knows this. She is cherry picking her emails. Amazing you claim to have been aware of this but forgotten but are sure Myra knew about it! Worst is that the only evidence you have that she knew is that it was alluded to at the end of an e-mail she made a hasty reply to. I will not be responding further to her or Colby. Fitting that they are fast friends now. Funny I think this is the 3rd or 4th time you've said you won't reply any more. Myra and I are hardly friends, we've never exchange PMs or e-mails and if we ever conversed through the forum it was 2 years ago an unfriendly. I do however "call'em as I see'em" and the evidence is more in her than your favor As to my freaking job, MB and Colby always resport to THAT. I have done the same thing for over twenty five years. Successfully. You just love making up your facts, I only mentioned your profession 2 - 3 times and that was back in 2006 - 8, when I asked you legal questions. As for your longevity at your job don't you work for a government agency? On the DPF you wrote, ""Colby" has called me deceptive several times. More bs. If he reads the defination of "hacking" in our joint statement he will see that we WERE indeed hacked" What a load of crap, yes if you really want to stretch it, like frat boy forcing a condom over his head, the WIKIPEDIA definition of hacking could sort of apply to what Myra did. That ignores of course you could have used language that more accurately described what happened. When you say you were hacked people NATURALLY assumed you were referring to an attack by outsiders. It would be like if Julian Assange, or some other controversial figure, was attacked by a jealous girlfriend and his supporters reported it as an "attempted assassination". Edited December 26, 2010 by Len Colby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 The posts I read happened in Feb. of this year -- and the fallout is now? I don't understand. Evan or someone, can you explain this to me? I wonder what will happen to Myra now. Everyone makes a mistake sometimes. Something like this could serve as an example to everyone. But reinstate Myra on some level. She was your colleague. Don't all turn against her. Is this life and death? Kennedy has already been shot and killed. Why such infighting? Kathy C Kathleen, While I realize your motives are kind please don't speak for me or negotiate for me. As I said earlier in this thread: "To be very clear, I'm ok with being locked out. I will not partner with The Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight on DPF or any other endeavor. I will not be a member of a forum that is run like DPF. And, whenever possible, I will not associate with people who demonstrate so little integrity." I chose my associates based on their principles. That makes me incompatible with the current DPF staff members who compromise their principles for their associates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 (edited) So all the mods were using a single fake name to make posts under? No matter how you try to defend doing that its still wrong If the post you want to make is to dangerous to make under your own name then dont make it at all I post under my real name on every forum, and if I post something intense then I have to take the heat for it I would never hide behind a fake user name Dean, to clarify, all DPF staff posted under, what they said were, their real names. I certainly posted 100% under my real name and have never used an alias at EF or at DPF. In addition to posting under their real names at least one staff member--Magda Hassan--posted under pseudonyms according to Jan Klimkowski. I learned this fact on December 4 when I noticed a post on DPF listing supposedly REAL NAMES and ADDRESSES of neo-nazis. It was posted by a "Peter Tosh." I was concerned about the potential libel issues of listing supposed neo-nazis on DPF, so I locked the post and added a note that I wanted to discuss it with the other mods. I emailed Jan, Magda, Dawn (the only other mods at the time) with the following: "WTF is this? "Know your fascists" posted by Peter Tosh--URGENT Myra Bronstein to Magda, Jan, Dawn Dec 4 http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5168 Is this "fascist list" acceptable on DPF? It has names and addresses of (presumably) real people. And the author--"Peter Tosh"--has long been suspect 'cause of his "name." Then I sent a second email to Magda, Jan, Dawn under the same "WTF..." subject line: "I locked the thread until we have a chance to discuss it, and posted a short vague message, both under "The Moderators" login. Hope that's ok. Nothing will actually be done/irreversible until we discuss and vote. I think the thread should remain, the posts should be edited to remove the names, and Peter Tosh should be warned and maybe banned." After a few minutes Jan sent the following email: "I think Peter Tosh is one of Magda's pseudonyms." ...As such it might have violated some countries’ privacy laws and of course as you suspected probably opened the forum up to libel claims if any of the hundreds of people listed were not (or claimed not to be) neo-Nazis. One also has to consider the legal ramifications of posting material obtained by hacking. I also wonder what the purpose was of posting this info, the only one I can think of is to encourage harassment of people on the list. The list Magda posted with full names and addresses of supposed Nazis is much like the lists posted online by anti-abortion groups. Those lists had names and addresses of doctors who did abortions. The purpose of posting the abortion provider lists is clear. And many people got the clear message. Doctors were shot to death in their homes and staff members were killed in the bombing of clinics. Even if the purpose of posting the Nazi list on DPF was not to put those named in the cross hairs, what gives someone like Magda the right to post such a list? And what evidence did she provide that those named are really Nazis? None. She gave no proof. What if you are on that list and labeling of you as a Nazi are false? What impact will that have on your life? What will your neighbors think and do? What will your employer do? What gives someone like Magda the right to post a Nazi hit list with names and addresses of people, without the knowledge of her colleagues, and under a pseudonym? On December 4, after I sent my “WTF is this?” email to the other Mods, Magda admitted doing it: On edit 1/02/11, Myra: Email quotes are being removed so that EF will not be targeted by current DPF staff members. The full body of evidence is being assembled at http://deeppoliticsforum.info. Yet Ms. Out And Proud hid behind a pseudonym. How much more hypocritical can someone get? This is not a rhetorical question. I'll answer it. DPF used to use web hosts in the US. June 29, Magda and I were talking about a domain name I bought and she sent me an email saying: On edit 1/02/11, Myra: Email quotes are being removed so that EF will not be targeted by current DPF staff members. The full body of evidence is being assembled at http://deeppoliticsforum.info. Because of Magda's suggestion and reasoning that Iceland would afford protection for discussion about boycotts and union actions I researched the subject, decided it was a good idea, DPF staff voted on moving the forum to Iceland, the vote was unanimous (as required) that we do so, and we did so. August 20 I completed the move of DPF from US servers to servers in Iceland. And it didn't take long after that for Magda to post her Nazi hit list. When she proposed the idea of moving DPF to Iceland for “total freedom of expression and transparency,” posting hit lists of people was not among the reasons she listed. If she had given any hint that posting hit lists was an objective of hers I would never have agreed to it. Her posting of the "Know your fascists" list under an assumed name unknown to half her colleagues was a shameful thing to do. Not that Jan or Dawn seemed to mind. Edited January 2, 2011 by Myra Bronstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) ... "I think Peter Tosh is one of Magda's pseudonyms." Here is the form letter DPF Admin Magda Hassan wrote on October 10 for people who applied for membership on DPF and asked for permission to use a pseudonym. On December 4 I learned that Magda had been posting on DPF under pseudonyms including 'Peter Tosh' for years. [Emphasis mine.] On edit 1/02/11, Myra: Email quotes are being removed so that EF will not be targeted by current DPF staff members. The full body of evidence is being assembled at http://deeppoliticsforum.info. Edited January 2, 2011 by Myra Bronstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I see Drago is at it again: http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5742-Huffpo-is-getting-quite-troubling&p=30509#post30509 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I see Drago is at it again: http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5742-Huffpo-is-getting-quite-troubling&p=30509#post30509 I'm quoting it here so there will be a record after DPF scrubs it: "Originally Posted by Robert Morrow Charles Dragoo, When I first started posting at Deep Politics, you accused me of being Robert D. Morrow, author of First Hand Knowledge. I thought that was *interesting* because of the fact that Robert D. Morrow DIED in the late 1990's ... and I, Robert P. Morrow, was in my mother's womb in November, 1963. Do you watch a lot of "Crossing Over" with John Edward?: http://www.johnedward.net/ So, who is an "agent of disinformation:" you or Phil Nelson? Maybe you ought to post something interesting and informative instead of running around throwing popcorn at people. Because, I have not seen it. Sincerely, Robert Morrow "Mother's womb"??? There goes my spore theory. What you cannot see is commonly referred to as reality. Go away, little man. Go back to Facebook and your soft porn proclivities. And leave the adults to our work. Charles Drago Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I see Drago is at it again: http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5742-Huffpo-is-getting-quite-troubling&p=30509#post30509 I'm assembling the complete record of Drago's antics that got him fired from DPF staff at http://deeppoliticsforum.info. It will also have a factual account of the DPF Coup. It's a work in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) Thought you might find this interesting Evan. I discovered it while sifting thru my email to refresh my memory on the February problems “DPF Classic” had getting Drago to follow rules. DPF founders/staff were discussing whether or not anyone should be preventing from registering and/or banned from DPF early on. On edit 1/02/11, Myra: Email quotes are being removed so that EF will not be targeted by current DPF staff members. The full body of evidence is being assembled at http://deeppoliticsforum.info. Magda ignored the votes, just as she ignored the rules about use of pseudonyms, on a technicality. The other staff members (including me at first) didn't know to specifically ask about banning IP vs banning email address so she just kept banning whoever she wanted in spite of the vote to un-ban, while assuring all that “the IP is not banned.” Turned out that's her style, as I saw subsequently. Edited January 2, 2011 by Myra Bronstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I haven't tried to look on my static IP for some time, so I'll check that and see if it is still blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Sorry, but my other ISP is all but offline right now (thus why I have a second). I'll check again tomorrow, when hopefully they have gone into their work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Thought you might find this interesting Evan. I discovered it while sifting thru my email to refresh my memory on the February problems “DPF Classic” had getting Drago to follow rules. DPF founders/staff were discussing whether or not anyone should be preventing from registering and/or banned from DPF early on. So much for their claim to stand for free speech. Compare this to the JREF forum which allowed a truther who previously threatened to kill (or blind) a JREF member on the Loose Change forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I have had these two emails from Jan Klimkowski and Charles R. Drago. Do members think we should delete these postings? To John Simkin Myra Bronstein has published details of private and confidential emails at the Education Forum. This is to inform you that the Education Forum does not have permission to publish details of my private email correpondence, and I hereby request you to remove all such emails, and alleged excerpts of emails, immediately. Jan Klimkowski Dear Mr. Simkin, Please cease and desist from publishing my private-emails. You are doing so without my permission on the Spartacus site, of which you are a co-owner. Be advised that, should the practice continue, I shall seek all remedies available to me under international and other relevant statutes. Further, you do not have my permission to publish copyrighted material owned by me. Again, should you do so, I shall seek legal remedies. Sincerely, Charles R. Drago cc: Dennis J. McCarten, Esq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) I have had these two emails from Jan Klimkowski and Charles R. Drago. Do members think we should delete these postings? To John Simkin Myra Bronstein has published details of private and confidential emails at the Education Forum. This is to inform you that the Education Forum does not have permission to publish details of my private email correpondence, and I hereby request you to remove all such emails, and alleged excerpts of emails, immediately. Jan Klimkowski Dear Mr. Simkin, Please cease and desist from publishing my private-emails. You are doing so without my permission on the Spartacus site, of which you are a co-owner. Be advised that, should the practice continue, I shall seek all remedies available to me under international and other relevant statutes. Further, you do not have my permission to publish copyrighted material owned by me. Again, should you do so, I shall seek legal remedies. Sincerely, Charles R. Drago cc: Dennis J. McCarten, Esq. John, I'll be happy to remove any post that you conclude puts you in an uncomfortable position. My recent posts are just a subset of the larger body of evidence anyway, and that is being assembled at My link [deeppoliticsforum.info]. Notice they don't dispute the legitimacy of the emails however. In fact they indirectly confirm that the emails are 100% authentic. And they had absolutely no moral qualms when their admin Magda Hassan posted--under a pseudonym unknown to 2/3 of her colleagues--hundreds of names and addresses, phone numbers, email address, etc. of presumably real people labeled as "Fascists" and "Nazis." Just let me know which posts to remove and I'll do so. Then Drago can threaten me instead. I'm accustomed to that because he's been doing it for years. Myra Edited January 2, 2011 by Myra Bronstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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