John Simkin Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Prince Andrew of York, the Queen’s second son, has been in the news recently because of his business relationships with dictators in Tunisia, Libya and Kazakhstan. His defenders point out that he developed these relations while serving as the UK special representative for international trade and investment. However, another story emerged yesterday that could turn out to be far more damaging. It seems he is a close friend of Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire US financier who served a prison sentence for soliciting an underage girl for prostitution. These girls were invited to Epstein’s home to be “massaged”. Virginia Roberts claimed that she was sexually exploited by Epstein and his friends. She also claims that she met Prince Andrew at Epstein’s home where he allegedly “enjoyed regular massages”. Roberts has supported her story with a photograph of Prince Andrew with his arm around her waist. There has been rumours for some time that some members of the royal family have unusual sexual tastes. These stories have been suppressed by the arrest of people who have been accused of trying to blackmail members of the royal family. This was assumed to involve another of the Queen’s sons. Maybe, it has been a diversion and the real culprit is Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363431/FBI-reopen-case-Prince-Andrews-sex-offender-friend-Duke-claim-diplomatic-immunity-avoid-quiz.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 There is a third person in the cropped photograph above. She is Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Robert Maxwell. On 5 November 1991, at the age of 68, Maxwell appears to have fallen overboard from his luxury yacht, the Lady Ghislaine, which was cruising off the Canary Islands. The official ruling was death by accidental drowning. Some commentators have alleged suicide, others that he was murdered. It was later alleged that Maxwell was an agent of MI6. Shortly before Maxwell's death, a former Mossad officer named Ari Ben-Menashe had approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the United States with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror's foreign editor, Nick Davies, were both long time agents for the Israel intelligence service, Mossad. Davies apparently is a close friend of Prince Charles. Ben-Menashe also claimed that in 1986 Maxwell had tipped off the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu had given information about Israel's nuclear capability to the Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently lured from London to Rome where he was kidnapped and returned to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for 18 years. Jeffrey Epstein is a member of the the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations and supports the Friends of Israel Defense Forces. Is it possible that Mossad run pedophile rings? Virginia Roberts, pictured above, claims that she was aged 15 when she was "given" to men ranging in age from their 40s to their 60s. In June, 2008, after pleading to a single state charge of soliciting prostitution, Epstein began serving an 18 month sentence. Below is a picture of Epstein with one of his young girlfriends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 It is believed that Prince Andrew may be forced to claim diplomatic immunity to avoid questioning by the FBI. Jeffrey Epstein's phone book had the home numbers of three senior British politicians, Lord Mandelson, Michael Heseltine and Shaun Woodward. Lord Mandelson’s entry features ten numbers, including direct lines, home numbers, a fax and mobile details for his partner, Reinaldo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363838/Prince-Andrews-ex-Sarah-Ferguson-Paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-15k-error-judgement.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Where does the Paedophilia come in? I had to look it up and didn't read anything about anyone having sex with children. Paedophilia and child pornography is a crime, but it appears that their appetites for young, beautiful women is otherwise normal. If it concerned anyone other than a prince, would anyone care? Or did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Where does the Paedophilia come in? I had to look it up and didn't read anything about anyone having sex with children. Paedophilia and child pornography is a crime, but it appears that their appetites for young, beautiful women is otherwise normal. If it concerned anyone other than a prince, would anyone care? Or did I miss something? From the Daily Mail article: "The Duchess of York has today admitted to a 'gigantic error of judgment' after accepting £15,000 from convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. "Sarah Ferguson said she had made another big mistake in her life after the money was paid by the billionaire convicted paedophile to help her pay off her debts." Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363838/Prince-Andrews-ex-Sarah-Ferguson-Paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-15k-error-judgement.html#ixzz1FxAy7PmP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Where does the Paedophilia come in? I had to look it up and didn't read anything about anyone having sex with children. Paedophilia and child pornography is a crime, but it appears that their appetites for young, beautiful women is otherwise normal. If it concerned anyone other than a prince, would anyone care? Or did I miss something? From the Daily Mail article: "The Duchess of York has today admitted to a 'gigantic error of judgment' after accepting £15,000 from convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. "Sarah Ferguson said she had made another big mistake in her life after the money was paid by the billionaire convicted paedophile to help her pay off her debts." Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1FxAy7PmP So Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted paedophile, which means he went to court and was convicted for that crime. I missed that. Then that is the centerpiece of the whole deal, how come it is buried? If he's a convicted paedophile, then he's a criminal sex deviate, but none of what I read says that. Where are the articles and court reports of this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Is this off topic, or are there more sex scandals going on than revolutions? How Berlo’s escort girls helped Colonel win African Union poll - The Times of India LONDON: Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi, embroiled in several sex scandals, is said to have helped ColonelMuammar Gaddafi gain the African Union's leadership two years back by arranging to send two escort women for an opponent of the Libyan leader, a media report said. According to Nuri Al Mismari, who was Gaddafi's diplomatic chief for 35 years before he went into exile in Paris last year, an unidentified African leader was opposing the election of the Libyan leader in 2009, but the situation was "resolved with an unorthodox solution". "Berlusconi helped resolve the situation and secure Gaddafi's position by sending in two beautiful escorts to the leader of the African nation in question. "This had the desired effect. The leader was convinced and he gave his vote to Gaddafi — and from here is born the expression 'bunga bunga' that indicates salacious, adventurous women," The Daily Telegraph quoted Al Mismari as saying in an interview with Arab newspaper Ashaeq Al-Awsat in Paris. Gaddafi was the surprise choice as leader of the 53-nation African Union in February 2009 much to the unease of countries such as Tanzania and Nigeria. Al Mismari said he was "ashamed" to have worked for the regime, but said western leaders should also shoulder some of the blame for treating Gaddafi as they did. "Everybody was kissing his hand — heads of state, heads of government. They don't feel shame now? They'd guards of honour for Gaddafi when he came to their countries. They brought out the red carpet for him. They don't feel shame?" the former close aide of Gaddafi said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 So Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted paedophile, which means he went to court and was convicted for that crime. I missed that. Then that is the centerpiece of the whole deal, how come it is buried? If he's a convicted paedophile, then he's a criminal sex deviate, but none of what I read says that. Where are the articles and court reports of this case? The British establishment are trying very hard to downplay the paedophile aspect of the case. In a BBC radio interview yesterday, the Labour MP, Chris Bryant, described Prince Andrew's friend, Epstein, as a "paedophile". The interviewer, John Humphrys, corrected him to say that Epstein was "not quite a paedophile" adding "He (Epstein) is convicted of sex offences with underage girls but they are not, sort of, nine year-olds. They are underage. Fifteen. That kind of thing." Technically he is correct. Paedophilia is the compulsion to have sex with prepubescent children, and Epstein and his friends preferred his victims to have functioning reproductive organs. They were 13 years old and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I agree with Bill, regarding Prince Andrew at least it doesn’t seem to be a pedophilia issue. This supposedly happened in 2001 when he was 41 and he (supposedly) had sex with a 17 year-old prostitute who had been hooking since she was 15 and per her own account by choice. She said she got $200 per customer, thus if she serviced an average of one man a day / 5 days a week she would make $52,000/year tax free equal to about $60,000, that’s what 10 years a NYC cop makes after 4 years on the force. If she had a few customers a day she’d have made more than the commissioner! Questions of semantics aside a 17-year-old is old enough to do what she wants. This wouldn't even be illegal in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) I agree with Bill, regarding Prince Andrew at least it doesn’t seem to be a pedophilia issue. This supposedly happened in 2001 when he was 41 and he (supposedly) had sex with a 17 year-old prostitute who had been hooking since she was 15 and per her own account by choice. She said she got $200 per customer, thus if she serviced an average of one man a day / 5 days a week she would make $52,000/year tax free equal to about $60,000, that’s what 10 years a NYC cop makes after 4 years on the force. If she had a few customers a day she’d have made more than the commissioner! Questions of semantics aside a 17-year-old is old enough to do what she wants. This wouldn't even be illegal in the UK. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364171/Females-Jeffrey-Epstein-The-damning-telephone-log.html?ito=feeds-newsxml http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/08/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-chris-bryant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Solicitation_of_prostitution Edited March 8, 2011 by Douglas Caddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 I agree with Bill, regarding Prince Andrew at least it doesn’t seem to be a pedophilia issue. This supposedly happened in 2001 when he was 41 and he (supposedly) had sex with a 17 year-old prostitute who had been hooking since she was 15 and per her own account by choice. She said she got $200 per customer, thus if she serviced an average of one man a day / 5 days a week she would make $52,000/year tax free equal to about $60,000, that’s what 10 years a NYC cop makes after 4 years on the force. If she had a few customers a day she’d have made more than the commissioner! Questions of semantics aside a 17-year-old is old enough to do what she wants. This wouldn't even be illegal in the UK. Jeffrey Epstein would definitely be arrested in the UK if he did what he did in Florida. Virginia Roberts was 15 when she had sex with Epstein. That is below the age of consent in the UK and someone who did that in his 40s would definitely end up in prison (the courts are much more tolerant with those who are about the same age as the girls who have sex under the age of 16). Roberts has been reinterviewed by the FBI and apparently has given the names of other famous people she had sex with in Epstein's house. It is unlikely that Prince Andrew will be interviewed by the FBI about having sex with these because as a member of the royal family he can claim "diplomatic immunity". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I agree with Bill, regarding Prince Andrew at least it doesn’t seem to be a pedophilia issue. This supposedly happened in 2001 when he was 41 and he (supposedly) had sex with a 17 year-old prostitute who had been hooking since she was 15 and per her own account by choice. She said she got $200 per customer, thus if she serviced an average of one man a day / 5 days a week she would make $52,000/year tax free equal to about $60,000, that’s what 10 years a NYC cop makes after 4 years on the force. If she had a few customers a day she’d have made more than the commissioner! Questions of semantics aside a 17-year-old is old enough to do what she wants. This wouldn't even be illegal in the UK. Jeffrey Epstein would definitely be arrested in the UK if he did what he did in Florida. Virginia Roberts was 15 when she had sex with Epstein. That is below the age of consent in the UK and someone who did that in his 40s would definitely end up in prison (the courts are much more tolerant with those who are about the same age as the girls who have sex under the age of 16). Roberts has been reinterviewed by the FBI and apparently has given the names of other famous people she had sex with in Epstein's house. It is unlikely that Prince Andrew will be interviewed by the FBI about having sex with these because as a member of the royal family he can claim "diplomatic immunity". I specifically limited my comments to Prince Andrew. So far all we have is the accusation he had sex with a well-paid 17 year-old hooker who voluntarily entered the profession years earlier. Epstein is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 "...Roberts has been reinterviewed by the FBI and apparently has given the names of other famous people she had sex with in Epstein's house. It is unlikely that Prince Andrew will be interviewed by the FBI about having sex with these because as a member of the royal family he can claim "diplomatic immunity". Why is there only an interest in "the names of other famous people she had sex with in Epstein's house." If there were others, aren't they criminals too, even if they aren't famous? And I don't think 15 is classified as "paedophilia" as in some societies, 15 year olds are forceably married without their own consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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