Looking for source of Ray Rocca quote

[Joseph Backes]

Hello,

Does anyone know the source of this statement? If this comes from a document does anyone have the RIF #? Thanks.

Ray Rocca, "If we don’t do anything about this guy, [meaning Garrison] Clay Shaw is going to be convicted."

Joe Backes

[Guest Tom Scully]

Just to add my two cents...nothing to see here, it was explained away in this all too cogent excerpt.:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/cia_garrison.htm

CIA Plots to Undermine Garrison?

..Ray Rocca's feeling that Shaw would indeed be convicted can be seen as the expression of the mindset of a counterintelligence officer: expect and be prepared for the worst. But given the outrageousness of what had already happened in New Orleans — Garrison's domination of the LaBiche Grand Jury and the conviction of Dean Andrews on perjury charges just a few weeks before the first meeting, for example — expecting Shaw to be convicted did not indicate some inside knowledge of Shaw's guilt.....

...This essay benefitted greatly from criticisms and suggestions from Patricia Lambert, Paul Hoch, and Max Holland.

But, on the other hand...

If there was ever a document that implied culpability to some degree by the Central Intelligence Agency (Clay Shaw's status with the CIA circa 1963 has not been resolved beyond a reasonable doubt, I stipulate), I believe this is at least one of them; If someone as high up on the food chain as Ray Rocca was in the CIA there has to be concrete evidence to that effect....

Edited May 1, 2011 by Tom Scully

[Joseph Backes]

Just to add my two cents...nothing to see here, it was explained away in this all too cogent excerpt.:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/cia_garrison.htm

CIA Plots to Undermine Garrison?

..Ray Rocca's feeling that Shaw would indeed be convicted can be seen as the expression of the mindset of a counterintelligence officer: expect and be prepared for the worst. But given the outrageousness of what had already happened in New Orleans — Garrison's domination of the LaBiche Grand Jury and the conviction of Dean Andrews on perjury charges just a few weeks before the first meeting, for example — expecting Shaw to be convicted did not indicate some inside knowledge of Shaw's guilt.....

...This essay benefitted greatly from criticisms and suggestions from Patricia Lambert, Paul Hoch, and Max Holland.

But, on the other hand...

If there was ever a document that implied culpability to some degree by the Central Intelligence Agency (Clay Shaw's status with the CIA circa 1963 has not been resolved beyond a reasonable doubt, I stipulate), I believe this is at least one of them; If someone as high up on the food chain as Ray Rocca was in the CIA there has to be concrete evidence to that effect....

Thanks a lot Tom,

So, this is RIF# 104-10428-10023. I was able to compare your scan with what the Mary Ferrell website had.

Joe

[Guest Tom Scully]

You're welcome, Joseph, and you are correct avout the RIF #. I found it here.:

http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkgen/LessonsLearned/LessonsLearned.htm#32

Lessons Learned from 40 Years of Coverup

Rex Bradford

Delivered on November 20, 2004 at the

Coalition on Political Assassinations Dallas conference

...Speaking of the Garrison investigation, we learned more about the CIA’s monitoring and intense fear of that effort. In a 1967 meeting of high-level CIA officials, CounterIntelligence’s head of Research & Analysis, Ray Rocca, predicted that Garrison would obtain a conviction. [32]

...REFERENCES

...[32] Memo For: Garrison Group Meeting No.1 - 20 September 1967, CIA record number 104-10428-10023. Item 3 states that "Rocca felt that Garrison would indeed obtain a conviction of Shaw for conspiring to assassinate President Kennedy." This and other memos (see 104-10435-10034, 104-10435-10033, 104-10435-10030, 104-10412-10379, 104-10429-10069, and 104-10435-10001, among others) show a high level of interest and convern at the top levels of CIA in the Garrison investigation and the Shaw trial....