Regime change by gunplay,remind you of something ?

[Steven Gaal]

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BK: If there's any interaction in this Global Research I'd like to correct the mistakes they are propagating, especially about the origin of the regional Arab revolt and the situation in Libya. I've read all these articles Steven, and they're wrong - wrong about USA CIA instigation of the revolt and the NATO involvement. NATO was led by a fellow Canadian - like Chossudovsky - how come he keeps saying CIA, when it was a Canadian general who led NATO and USA took a back seat. He should concentrate on Canada's role in the "West" and recognize they were right in what they did.

All this junk is nothing but clap trap promoting a bankrupt ideology that is obsolete.

Instead of reading this stuff and then trying to pawn it off on me and the rest of the forum readership, why don't you think for yourself and post what you believe?

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Bill Ive posted before I think Global Research is 95% correct,they mirror a lot of my thinking. Im not 100% lockstep with them,but its the best GEOPOLITICAL site that has my views which is non-religious. If I posted religious material we would get sidetraked.

FOR YOU BILL,sniper data.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28646

[William Kelly]

+++++++++++++++++++ Bill Kelly QUOTE +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BK: If there's any interaction in this Global Research I'd like to correct the mistakes they are propagating, especially about the origin of the regional Arab revolt and the situation in Libya. I've read all these articles Steven, and they're wrong - wrong about USA CIA instigation of the revolt and the NATO involvement. NATO was led by a fellow Canadian - like Chossudovsky - how come he keeps saying CIA, when it was a Canadian general who led NATO and USA took a back seat. He should concentrate on Canada's role in the "West" and recognize they were right in what they did.

All this junk is nothing but clap trap promoting a bankrupt ideology that is obsolete.

Instead of reading this stuff and then trying to pawn it off on me and the rest of the forum readership, why don't you think for yourself and post what you believe?

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Bill Ive posted before I think Global Research is 95% correct,they mirror a lot of my thinking. Im not 100% lockstep with them,but its the best GEOPOLITICAL site that has my views which is non-religious. If I posted religious material we would get sidetraked.

FOR YOU BILL,sniper data.

http://globalresearc...xt=va&aid=28646

Steve, I used to have the same perspective as most Global Research articles until the Arab Spring and Libyan revolution, and now it is apparently just propagating the former and failed Soviet Communist dogma, and you can tell whenever they start talking about the "West," the new Boogieman, when in fact we are the "West," in our thinking, our culture, our philosophy and lifestyle, and we have friends and cooperate with much of the East, including their worst dictators in China, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, et al.

I remember when Marshall McCluan - a Canadian I believe, who wrote about the Global Village and From Cleche to Archtype in the 60s, and now the Global Village is actually here, and it is being used effectively to forment revolt and change, and we are a part of that.

If you want to side with the dictators of Libya, Syria and other tyrannical states under the impression you are against US imperialism then you are wrong.

As for the sniper's report you posted by Sergei, do you think he's Russian or in cahoots with the Irish Idiot who wrote that pro-post Soviet propaganda about the "unknown snipers"?

Well here's your article for everyone to read - and it says an Italian special ops sniper went into Tripoli and targeted Gadhafi snipers and neutralized them, working in a team with a French special ops guy, an SIS Brit and two US Marines. That just doesn't add up. Do you think the Marines pissed on the dead there too?

I know some of the 4,000 US marines were who on station in ship in the Med, ready to go in, and they didn't go. They weren't needed or used.

The reason there was no resistance to the mountain Berber tribesmen who came down out of the mountains and took Tripoli is because Gadhafi's military commander of the Tripoli Garrison had his troops confined to barracks and stand down, in return for a position in the new government. It was all pre-arranged and reported after the fact. There were Gadhafi loyalist snipers in Tripoli however, one was in the American Marriott hotel because he shot an American journalist - Lamb - one of the pro-Gadhafi anti-NATO reporters who was wounded in the leg. The rebels returned fire and did a lot of damage to the new hotel. But these are not "unknown snipers," or secret NATO special ops guys, they're state military or security personnel, probably trained by NATO specialists when they were pals.

If the NATO special forces led the liberation of Triopli, God Bless them, but I don't think they did, and of the half dozen people I know personally on the ground in Tripoli, none of them say there were any NATO ground forces anywhere.

I'm willing to be persuaded there were but haven't seen any hint of it, and this report just doesn't hold water

BK

Revolutionary Program

NATO Special Forces Led Takeover Of Tripoli

by Sergei Balmasov

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28646

Italy'sL'Espresso daily publication wrote that NATO's special forces played the keyrole in taking Tripoli, the capitalof Libya. Aparticipant of the operation shared his impressions with the publication.According to the author of the article, the man, whose story the newspaperpublished, was struggling with the [eventual] butchers of Muammar Gaddafi,foreign snipers and killers who had come to Libyafrom all over the world. According to him, all of them came to Tripolito make money by aiming their guns at rebellious people.

The man, who introduced himself as a member of the Italian special forces, saidthat the secret weapon had been aimed against inexperienced rebels for months."Those snipers stopped the first groups of the rebels, who entered theLibyan capital," the man said.

The author of the article admitted that bombs and missiles were useless againstthem. The residents of Tripoli didnot struggle with them to avoid massacre in return. "There was only oneway to remove them - to challenge them to a duel: a shooter vs. a shooter. Thisis exactly what NATO did. They gathered the best snipers of the alliance underthe conditions of extreme secrecy and brought them to Libyato get rid of the regime there. It was their weapons that contributed most tothe fall of the dictatorship. It was they who opened the road for therebellion. There were Italian servicemen among them too," the articlesaid.

L'Espresso published the story told by Ale, a serviceman of the special forcesof the Italian navy, who supposedly took part in the taking of Tripoli.According to the author of the article, Ale and his partners were working inthe south-east of Tripoli. The menwere equipped with Ar 15 guns with silencers of the new generation andstate-of-the-art sniper rifles for high-precision gunfire for a distance of upto a thousand meters. Their equipment also included comfortable shoes andclothing: body armor with extra protection on the chest, cartridges, containersfor water, medications and medical equipment neatly packed in the uniforms,etc.

"When Ale and his men arrived at the front, they took perfect positions.They could control the whole square from the height that they had taken. Thesnipers had to be removed before daybreak. Ale's men had already detected twoenemy snipers with the help of electronic devices. Ale determined the targetand said that he was ready. The enemies were quiet. They would take severalshots before changing positions. That was a lethal mistake for them to make.The night was drawing to its end. It was time to move to another bunker ofGaddafi's supporters to open the door for the revolution wider."

Stories like these make one think about the real participation of NATO troopsin the Libyan war. According to official information from the alliance, NATOconducted bombings, restricted arms shipments, and assisted in training theforces who were struggling against Gaddafi's troops.

There is also unofficial information which was exposed by the British media.According to British publications, Britain,for instance, went far beyond the framework set by the UN. The countrysupposedly participated in at least restricted operations in which it sufferedconsiderable losses.

The above-mentioned article in the Italian newspaper also said that Ale was amember of the special team in which there was also a French legionary, a Britonfrom SAS and two USmarines. All of them were veterans, whose skills were far better than those ofGaddafi's mercenaries.

According to the author, the use of those snipers became a critical elementlike a nuclear bomb in 1945, which changed the course of the conflict.

NATO sources said that there were as many as 4,000 USmarines deployed near the Libyan shores during the operation. White Houseofficials say that those marines did not take part in the Libyan"revolution." Was it really so?

It is worthy of note that there were reports saying that Gaddafi's soldiersdowned helicopters with NATO commandos on board. It was also reported that theLibyan army had captured European mercenaries during the standoff.

The West uses professionals against unwanted regimes. However, theabove-mentioned stories also mean that the West is ready to use its prosagainst other regimes as well - in Syria,Iran, etc.Foreign special services reportedly continue to sound out the possibilities forthe Libyan scenario to repeat in Syria.There are also reports saying that mysterious snipers attack demonstrators andpolicemen to provoke armed clashes. Will Teheran and Damascusbe able to set anything against mercenaries and commandos who are capable ofchanging the course of any conflict?