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I know that several JFK experts are also good at analyzing photographs. How old is the girl in the photograph? I will give the answer tomorrow.

While not anexpert on anything here's a guess.

John, given that she looks asleep and young and that you ask the question. She is a native of somewhere. Mayan? Indian?. She has clean neat clothing hence not disaster victim, yet unprepped for surgery she is surrounded by masked 'doctors' in an apparently sterile environment. Some of these 'doctors' are focused elsewhere, hence likely not emergency. She is sitting up yet apparently not aewake and not in pain. I wouldn't be surprised if she is a remarkably well preserved few hundred? Though I would have expected more desiccation.

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I know that several JFK experts are also good at analyzing photographs. How old is the girl in the photograph? I will give the answer tomorrow.

Hi John

I think our intrepid leader is having a little joke, yes? :blink:

My first inclination was to say that she is a girl of some thirteen years old but I think John Dolva provides the key when he sees, I think correctly, that the girl looks as if she is "Mayan or Indian." I think John is probably right when he states, "I wouldn't be surprised if she is a remarkably well preserved few hundred?"

Knowing that in ancient times in South America, mummies were often in the seated or fetal position, I think we are probably looking at a deceptively alive-looking Incan mummy. If my presumption is correct, then perhaps the girl is a thousand years old, or at least more than 500 years old. Am I warm, John? :bike

Chris

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John...in legal circles that is known as a leading question:

" How old is the girl in the photograph?"

That is like saying "why did Oswald kill JFK?" It plants a presumption

which could affect the answer.

How do we know it is a girl? We have only your say-so.

It may be a boy. It may be a man. It may be a woman.

It may be a corpse. What does the hospital setting have

to do with it? I think Chris may be on the right track with

his "mummy" supposition.

Jack :blink:

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I know that several JFK experts are also good at analyzing photographs. How old is the girl in the photograph? I will give the answer tomorrow.

John, I am wondering why you would ask re photographic analysis. So assuming that there is something to be had from analyzing it in a serious way I can't at this resolution come up with much. The wrap appears to be leather texture. There may be a mouth piece from something like a bugle and a couple of tassels. It's possible that the person marking something in the background has a non caucasian face shape. So is the lab in say Lima? The nose of the person appears pushed out of shape. The forearm width is less than the wrist width of the 'doctor' unwrapping.

If it's a european manufactured piece of brass (plate?) then if it was from very early in invasion it would be considered very valuable perhaps. Later perhaps more common? The tasslels appear to be fine. Military? Without better resolution perhaps 150 to 400 years? At death? and sex? Jack is of course correct. Prerhaps the decoration would indicate son of chief? Teens?

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Chris,

think your pretty warm, looks a little bit like famous "Juanita" from Peru, as you mentioned, a girl who was sacrificed about 500 years ago.

George

Hi George

Thanks for your backup on my assumption that we are looking at an Incan mummy. It looks as if, from the views of Juanita on a number of book covers on a mummy site that she was more skeletonized than the girl (?) in the picture John showed. A PBS site on "The High Mummies" shows an Incan mummy of a male found in Chile a bit more like the one in John's photograph, even if the face is more disfigured.

Chris

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searching as per above links

A 8-9 yo boy buried alive 500 years ago. Probably son of local chief.

"In 1954, archeologists discovered a 500-year-old frozen boy on the peak of El Plomo mountain in the Andes. Suddenly, the accounts of the Spaniards were accompanied by physical evidence, lending credence to the previously discounted theory. Perfectly preserved, the body was found with many artifacts, including jewellery, textiles, a gold llama, and a silver figurine. The seven-year-old sacrifice had frozen to death, dying in his sleep in the cold of El Plomo."

"Scientists believe that the children were selected for their physical perfection. Perhaps beauty was important because the Incans believed that the child became an emissary to the deities, particularly the Sun God, Inti. One theory scientists have is that the deified child was supposed to appease the gods and assure rain, plentiful harvests, and protection for the Incan people. Another theory states that the child was chosen because they were the son or daughter of local chieftains. Capacocha established a close link between the Emperor of the Incans, who was considered a relative of the sungod, and the local leader. A third idea is that capacocha occurred during auspicious events, such as droughts, eclipses, or the death of an Incan Emperor. Maybe the child was meant to be an escort for the Emperor on his journey to the afterworld."

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I know that several JFK experts are also good at analyzing photographs. How old is the girl in the photograph? I will give the answer tomorrow.

Boy oh boy, the girl turns out to be a boy, could this be a sign that John has changed sides, working now for the disinfo-league B):)

George

Sorry for the delay in answering. My internet connection has been down for a couple of days.

The girl is indeed 500 years old. Three Inca children, two girls and a boy aged between 6 and 15, were left to die at the top of Llullaillaco, a mountain in the Andes in the early part of the 15th century. Apparently this was part of some human sacrifice ritual. The bodies were found during a recent expedition on the 22,000-foot (6,700m) mountain. A combination of high altitude, low oxygen, humidity levels, zero-degree temperatures has enabled the bodies to be perfectly preserved.

According to my source the body is of a girl. However, the newspaper where it came from has been a long time member of Operation Mockingbird.

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I know that several JFK experts are also good at analyzing photographs. How old is the girl in the photograph? I will give the answer tomorrow.

Boy oh boy, the girl turns out to be a boy, could this be a sign that John has changed sides, working now for the disinfo-league B):)

George

Sorry for the delay in answering. My internet connection has been down for a couple of days.

The girl is indeed 500 years old. Three Inca children, two girls and a boy aged between 6 and 15, were left to die at the top of Llullaillaco, a mountain in the Andes in the early part of the 15th century. Apparently this was part of some human sacrifice ritual. The bodies were found during a recent expedition on the 22,000-foot (6,700m) mountain. A combination of high altitude, low oxygen, humidity levels, zero-degree temperatures has enabled the bodies to be perfectly preserved.

According to my source the body is of a girl. However, the newspaper where it came from has been a long time member of Operation Mockingbird.

translated by http://ets.freetranslation.com/ from University of Chile site. (Interestingly Doctor Mario Castro's surname is translated both as 'Fort' and 'I neuter') http://www.med.uchile.cl/noticias/archivo/...bril/plomo.html

Mummy Boy from the Hill the Leads

Boy from Hill the Leads gave positive doping Mummy Boy from the Hill the Leads Over 500 years ago a group of Inca rose since the Plaza Baquedano to the Hill The Leads, located to 5.400 meters of height. In this feat of the climbing participated a boy of eight years, beautifully dressed, who would be sacrificed to the God during the solsticio of summer. The small one was found by a group of arrieros in 1954 al interior of an artificial rocky formation established in the summit, where had been left by their companions next to some silver figurines that conformed their trousseau. The smaller one lay on fetal position and in excellent conditions of conservation. The National Museum of Natural History was transformed into custodian of this hereditary piece, preserving it and doing some radiological studies and parasitológicos in 1954 in which they participated two educators of the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Chile, the doctors Thulium Pizzi and Hugo Schenone. Subsequently, in 1982, an axial tomography was done computed of the prince from the Hill The Leads and the wounds were analyzed verrugosas of the smaller one, caused by the virus wart. In these analysis also participated educators of the House of Beautiful. To continue with this tradition of institutional cooperation, at the end of 2002 the Clinical Hospital of the University of Chile put at the disposal of the museum its new Center of Imagenología for develop a project that to permit to complete the investigations initiated in 1982, utilizing for it technology of tip. September 7, 2003 was carried out in the hospital an integral study and interdisciplinario of the boy, where also they participated professionals of the faculties of Medicine and Pharmaceutical and Chemical Sciences. By means of a magnetic nuclear resonance of complete body and a scanner, could be analyzed the state of conservation of the internal weavings of the smaller one. Likewise, they were done biopsies of liver, muscle and bone. Also samples of hair for drug analysis were taken that corroborated that the boy had consumed, perhaps by a long period, leaf of coke. "We could verify the good state of health of the boy, with nuclei of growth developing rapidly and lack of illnesses or alterations. Did neither there were signs of violence. It was a smaller physically active one, of good muscular development and normal texture, that passed away for a hypothermia", indicated the professor Mario I Neuter, educator of the Faculty of Medicine. The investigator added that since they could recover the DNA mitocondrial of the boy they expect to compare these results with the DNA of other mummies of similar characteristics. "All the studies will be published in a book that will commemorate the 50 years of the discovery of the prince from the Hill The Leads", explained the doctor Fort.

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