Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) good to hear from you RobinI agree, here is an attempt to isolate the block with edges marked as I see them. Maybe wedge shaped? (What does SOP mean?) SOD "Stare of death" The death stare image, looking from the front. Edited January 28, 2006 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) Edited January 28, 2006 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Possible explanation for the "ring shaped object" seen laying on the autopsy table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) http://www.postmortemstudiorental.com/imag...rest%202189.JPG great find Robin, and from the same site: a vintage autopsy room microphone... Edited January 28, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 Hopefully this illustrates that in considering the head one is looking at a number of curved surfaces that are from different parts like the outside of the head (which here may be the 'chin') the inside of the skin the outside of the skull and the inside of the skull or the brain pan. Each is in turn smaller and differently shaped. and the inside of the brain pan shape cannot be deduced from looking at the outside of the head, particularly at its base. There are curved lines and indication on each of these surfaces in the photo. By understanding what they all 'should ' look like it should be posssible to see clearly which way the head is turned. I think it might be as suggested (right turn) with possibly a more front back tilt. MRI scan slice at about middle of a head (direct top down) with the bone at back of head emphasised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Agbat Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) ...I wonder if you could whip up a gif that changes from the undistorted to the distorted? ... John, I ran out of steam last night after messing around with Jack White's fake Z-Frame. Here is an animated GIF showing the effects of the equalization process on this particular image. Of course, the one displayed here is too small to work with -- it is included to show the areas in question. My photobucket page has the equalized version in the same size as the one you originally provided. I'm out of image space, so I'm going to have to clear out some of my CD pictures. I can put them on photobucket if you still have use for them. Edited January 28, 2006 by Frank Agbat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Agbat Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 ...I think it might be as suggested (right turn) with possibly a more front back tilt. MRI scan slice at about middle of a head (direct top down) with the bone at back of head emphasised John, I think you've got the right turn spot-on in this MRI image, and I agree that there is probably more front-back tilt. The "block" is probably near the hairline. I believe that large, thick bone you have emphasized on the back of the MRI is the bone seen in the lower left of the BE7 photo as we have it oriented on this post. However, I want to emphasize that with my current line of thought, that I do NOT place the BE7 "thick bone on lower left" down by the hairline, but rather higher up the skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) ... I think it might be as suggested (right turn) with possibly a more front back tilt. MRI scan slice at about middle of a head (direct top down) with the bone at back of head emphasised John, I think you've got the right turn spot-on in this MRI image, and I agree that there is probably more front-back tilt. The "block" is probably near the hairline. I believe that large, thick bone you have emphasized on the back of the MRI is the bone seen in the lower left of the BE7 photo as we have it oriented on this post. However, I want to emphasize that with my current line of thought, that I do NOT place the BE7 "thick bone on lower left" down by the hairline, but rather higher up the skull. I wonder if my request was a bit unclear. I was thinking of the 'distortion corrected' photo I pasted above as being the distorted one and the usual as being undistorted. I was hoping to see a morph between those two. The equalised morph is interesting though. It shows how much is hidden on these images. My program uses equalise to mean grouping color values into 256 steps so some are shifted up and some down. This seems to help in removing some blemishes. There is another function that shiftes the top end of the spectrum to the extreme value and the lower as well, thus spreading the entire spectrum out. Also there is the gamma which can be shifted up and down to highlightlight or dark areas. Then of course contrast and lightness. ____ The MRI shows an undamaged head with the rear of the skull highlighted. If I understand you correctly about bone location on the wound photo, then yes, I agree. Edited January 29, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 (edited) an illustration of how thick the tissue can be outside the skull. and how when taking it into account it seems not difficult to find body poses that work. I've removed image for refinement, repost shortly Edited January 29, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Agbat Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 an illustration of how thick the tissue can be outside the skull. and how when taking it into account it seems not difficult to find body poses that work. John, I think you're most certainly going in the correct direction. with this conceptual picture. It is also consistent with an observer, standing behind, saying they could "look directly into the president's head". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Agbat Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 John, Sorry for the delay in this. It isn't a morph, but it does flip back and forth to show the effects of the distortion-corrected image you created: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Thank you Frank, that'll help in finetuning the 'correction'. (BTW please remove images as needed. I'm saving as we go.) Yhis indicates the items I think can be used to estimate body/head pose. blue lines 1. Outside of skin to outside of skull giving tissue thickness and skull bone curvature. (Note the skull itself curves differently from the outside surface of the head.) 2. Suture line and shadow curvature. 3. 'cheek' 'ear' position and curvature trapexoid muscle/shoulder curvature red lines of sight A. curved reflection B. drainage hole C. centre of photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Agbat Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 John, I'm thinking we have possible gone the wrong way with the distortion correction. The proximity of the lens to its target will create a fisheye effect on items nearer the lens. To cancel this effect, we need to pinch the image inward, not bow it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 (edited) John,I'm thinking we have possible gone the wrong way with the distortion correction. The proximity of the lens to its target will create a fisheye effect on items nearer the lens. To cancel this effect, we need to pinch the image inward, not bow it out... Thank's for the correction, Frank. 'normal' http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c168/yanndee/pbe7norm.jpg same size 'pinched' http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c168/yan...nch50x50be7.jpg I'm assuming a 5x7 format Edited January 30, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 (edited) I Colorized the frontal X-ray below to try and get a more 3-dimensional image of the head wound including bone thickness. I don't see how it is possible that kennedy's face could have appeared natural with the massive loss of bone to the right frontal area of his head. Edited January 30, 2006 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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