Charles Drago Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) Originally posted on the Was Ruby shooting LHO faked? thread (and with great thanks to Gary Buell for doing the legwork): The Village Voice, February 6, 1978, The Oswald Connections: Bad News for the CIA, by Alexander Cockburn & James Ridgeway Though already dismissed as a baseless rumor, the allegation that Jack Ruby is still alive and was given a new identity by the Central Intelligence Agency was not dreamed up by the veteran conspiracy buffs but was, in fact, advanced by a former employee of the agency itself. The Ruby story--to the effect that the CIA, in cooperation with the KGB, sponsored Ruby's murder of Oswald before the latter could disclose damning details of U.S.-Soviet intelligence links--has been put foward privately in recent weeks by Frank Snepp, formerly of the CIA. Snepp recently published Decent Interval, a harsh denunciation of the CIA's conduct in the last days of the Vietnam war. (emphasis added) Take the "Ruby alive" content out of the preceding paragraph, and what we're left with is, for my money, the most important, intriguing, and overlooked element of the entire JFK affair: what George Michael Evica refers to as a "treasonous cabal of hard-line American and Soviet intelligence agents whose masters were above Cold War differences." (emphasis added) The nature of Snepp's broader game remains unknown. What he seems to have provided above is an extraordinary revelation diminished immediately and intentionally by its ludicrous context (the Ruby survival legend). Edited September 1, 2007 by Charles Drago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 Peter, You're thinking of Oleg Nechiperenko, who appeared on a panel with Peter Dale Scott and the unfortunate Mark Zaid (to whom Professor Scott referred condescendingly as "young man"). My take on the Snepp venting: Anticipate and blunt the impact of the discovery of this darkest truth by contextualizing its release. In other words: Associate the West/East treason with the Ruby survival claim, and in so doing fatally taint it. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Richards Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 (edited) Frank 'Trey' Snepp is a very interesting guy. In addition to the Ruby thing, he also named five reporters who the CIA leaked disinformation to. Keyes Beech from the Chicago Daily News George McArthur from the Los Angeles Times Robert Shaplen from the New Yorker Bud Merrick from U.S. News and World Report Malcolme Browne from the New York Times Interesting to note is that Frank Snepp's father was very close friends with William Colby. If anyone is interested in communicating with Frank Snepp, or maybe John Simkin can invite him to join the forum, his email address is - webmaster@franksnepp.com Snepp below. James Edited September 2, 2007 by James Richards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Guyatt Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 James, What is the significance of “Trey” as his moniker? I remember him mainly for his part role in the October Surprise affair along with Rupp, Brenneke and others. Charles, on the Washington-Moscow axis there was a film (damned if I can remember the name of it) back I the late 80’s or early 90’s, the basic plot of which was an assassination attempt against a US president by a cabal of officers in the Pentagon and the Kremlin. As I recall the rationale was that the president was going to bring the cold war to an end and the cold warriors on both sides were worried that this would undermine their power and continuing payola. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Charles-Dunne Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Charles, on the Washington-Moscow axis there was a film (damned if I can remember the name of it) back I the late 80’s or early 90’s, the basic plot of which was an assassination attempt against a US president by a cabal of officers in the Pentagon and the Kremlin. As I recall the rationale was that the president was going to bring the cold war to an end and the cold warriors on both sides were worried that this would undermine their power and continuing payola. THE PACKAGE - Gene Hackman, John Heard --- highly recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 David, Robert is quite right: The Package in many ways is the most insightful artistic meditation on the JFK conspiracy. Tommie Lee Jones is in the title role: an assassin smuggled into the country as an under-arrest U.S. soldier. Gene Hackman is his military escort and unwitting accomplice. Once on American soil, Jones is violently freed by co-conspirators. Hackman uncovers, slowly but convincingly, the larger plot to terminate detente by assassinating Gorgachev and George H.W. Bush figures at a Chicago summit. There is an Oswald patsy figure who believes he is a junior G-man assigned to penetrate a violent right wing group, and other insider elements within the film's greater story line. As you might expect, much of the plot has been simplified for genre considerations. But The Package is never simple-minded. Writer John Bishop boldly took on one of the most complex and impenetrable events in world history, and displays a keen understanding not only of how JFK was killed, but why Dallas happened. He, in essence, neatly dramatizes the cabal at its mid-levels. Don't miss The Package. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 (edited) Joseph Trento's "The Secret History of the CIA" posits that a group of Politburo hard-liners--not the KGB--orchestrated the assassination of JFK as a prelude to their ouster of Khruschev--because the felt Khruschev and Kennedy were getting too "chummy" and might end the Cold War. Were elements of the CIA involved? Who knows? But Dick Russell quotes Victor Marchetti as te,lling him that the "KGB wing" of the CIA was involved in the assassination. It is maddeningly that that is about the extent of the quote. What did he mean by the "KGB Wing"? Hard-liners? Actual KGB moles? I suppose Marchetti had reasons for not naming names. Edited September 2, 2007 by Tim Gratz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 Peter,You're thinking of Oleg Nechiperenko, who appeared on a panel with Peter Dale Scott and the unfortunate Mark Zaid (to whom Professor Scott referred condescendingly as "young man"). My take on the Snepp venting: Anticipate and blunt the impact of the discovery of this darkest truth by contextualizing its release. In other words: Associate the West/East treason with the Ruby survival claim, and in so doing fatally taint it. Charles Yes, That's him. What ever happened to Nechiperenko? I spoke with him at lunch one day...interesting enough a person, but his story was just from outer space. My take on the difference between the old KGB [and it's new incarnation] and the CIA was the language they used most of the time.....and not much else. Much the Nosenko - Mark 2. Nechiperenko was in Dallas for three reasons: to promote his then-new memoir, Passport to Assassination, to promote the disinformation of which it is composed, and to probe for weaknesses in our so-called community. Scott ate his lunch. Zaid offered to pay for it. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Charles, on the Washington-Moscow axis there was a film (damned if I can remember the name of it) back I the late 80’s or early 90’s, the basic plot of which was an assassination attempt against a US president by a cabal of officers in the Pentagon and the Kremlin. As I recall the rationale was that the president was going to bring the cold war to an end and the cold warriors on both sides were worried that this would undermine their power and continuing payola. THE PACKAGE - Gene Hackman, John Heard --- highly recommended. I agree with Peter that the did Ruby survive thesis is a classic example of a hype-up story that in reality means absolutely zilch; what is interesting however are the contacts circa 1964 between the Russian government and the U.S. government [outside the Robert Kennedy back-channel realm, although that is definitely interesting too,] aimed at resolution of issues related to possible Soviet involvement in President Kennedy's assassination. One will find that a Warren Commission official actually went to Russia at one point to look into this area. I believe personally that Alexander Ziger will eventually be discovered to be something of a US version of George DeMohrenschildt, to buttress my claim there are some documents which reveal that high officials of the US government were apparently concerned over the safety of the Ziger family in the aftermath of the assassination; do the math; why would they be concerned unless he was one of ours........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 (edited) If the CIA had a "KGB wing," then the KGB had a "CIA wing." Marchetti, I believe, was offering another veiled hint regarding the cabal. To see either of the intelligence services as monolithic is to turn blind eyes to the deeper, sinister, controlling truth. There are many rooms in the mansion ... Charles Edited September 2, 2007 by Charles Drago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Richards Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 James,What is the significance of “Trey” as his moniker? I remember him mainly for his part role in the October Surprise affair along with Rupp, Brenneke and others. David David, I gather it was just a nickname. After Snepp was on '60 Minutes', mid 1980's if my memory serves me correctly, press coverage referred to him this way. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted September 3, 2007 Author Share Posted September 3, 2007 Peter, et al, We must at all costs keep in mind that, in the final analysis, we are hunting the rogue American and Soviet intelligence agents' masters, who were above Cold War differences. To hell with Helms, Hunt, Hoover, LeMay, Powers, Andropov, Nechiperenko ... Let's follow the strings attached to their limbs ... higher, ever higher ... Or is that "lower"? To the monkeys beneath The Village? Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Guyatt Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Peter, et al,We must at all costs keep in mind that, in the final analysis, we are hunting the rogue American and Soviet intelligence agents' masters, who were above Cold War differences. To hell with Helms, Hunt, Hoover, LeMay, Powers, Andropov, Nechiperenko ... Let's follow the strings attached to their limbs ... higher, ever higher ... Or is that "lower"? To the monkeys beneath The Village? Charles Charles, I do agree and I would hazard a guess that the higher one goes it becomes more a case of following the money than the assassination itself. And this would, almost certainly take us well beyond the chief executive of the nation (any nation in fact) who are transitory figures. Money is always there, it always endures. In order to properly assess the connections between Moscow and Washington, I think it is probably important to understand the nature of the Russian Revolution and who financed it and why. I think Prod Antony Sutton's book Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution is an excellent starting point. I also believe Joseph Finder, the novelist, has written a good factual book on this subject - but I haven't yet read it so cannot give thumbs up or down. David PS Tony Sutton is now sadly with us no more. I have a digital copy of his above book I would be willing to provide if anyone would like it -- just PM me with your email address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Guyatt Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 James,What is the significance of “Trey” as his moniker? I remember him mainly for his part role in the October Surprise affair along with Rupp, Brenneke and others. David David, I gather it was just a nickname. After Snepp was on '60 Minutes', mid 1980's if my memory serves me correctly, press coverage referred to him this way. James Thank you James. that must've slipped by me when I was out cutting the law... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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