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Mark Oakes

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I had already produced 2 Videos on the Eyewitness I had Interviewed on the Assassination Of JFK. Just getting 5 out of the 14 in my Eyewitness Video-Part-I was extremely hard to believe, especially after 25+years.

Even though I came to Dallas in 1987, you don't expect anyone who had not told their story, on video or radio or the newspapers. I had been speaking with my good friend, Larry Sneed(who published, "No More Silence" an oral history of his great Interviews), and Larry had been coming to Dallas before I did, and Interviewing Police Officers and told me the only way to know for sure is to look into their eyes and record history, before it is too late!

So after my 1st Eyewitness Video-Real JFK Facts and my Documentary Video,"On the Trail of the mystery FBI Man", I wanted to do an Eyewitness Video-Part-II. I had 3 already on Video and decided to do one that was UN-Edited(except for Phone calls,etc).

While I was down at the knoll, doing an experiment to see if tourists would be interested in my Videos, I remarked to the other sellers that I would live to find Patsy Paschall, as I did not know her story, and little did I know, neither did anyone else.

I went back to my hotel room and re-read the FBI Document that mentioned her attorney, Fred Bruner going to the FBI and complaining that he did not get the original film back, when SA Robert Barrett came to look at it a few days after the Assassination. I then got out the Dallas Phone Book and called every Paschall in there and found her Mother-in-Law.

I told her who I was and what I wanted and asked if she knew of the person who took movie film, and she said Patsy was her daughter in law and had not spoken to many people about it. I was surprised to get her phone number so quickly, and calling Patsy was a thrill to say the least. I mentioned the FBI Document right away, hoping to get her interest. She agreed to meet me at her work on my Last day in Dallas before returning to St Louis.

We went into a conference room and it did not have great lighting but I did have my external microphone. I asked her if she took film and she said she did-I had a copy of a picture of her in Life magazine from 1968 and she said it was she. She also said they never interviewed her about what she saw and heard and I could not believe it. I asked her if she could hear the shots being inside the building and she said the window was open and she said it was a “pow” then a pause, then “pow,pow” and she,”saw smoke from the knoll”. She told Deputy Sheriff Jelly Icum,”Some nut is poppin firecrackers from the Knoll”.

This was absolutely Gold to me. I had no idea what she thought. I reminded Patsy of the Railroad workers on the Triple Underpass who signed statements with the Sheriff’s Dept saying the same thing(not to mention the Washington Press Reporters in the Press Busses, too-nothing quite like eyewitness cooperation). I then called Patsy from St Louis to see her film,which was impossible-so I moved to Texas, just to see her film, called her every day for months, and finally she agreed in Oct of 1995.

She called her attorney, and he agreed to see me. I did not have time to call some Video businesses as waiting a day when offered to see an ORIGINAL film that no one else had seen, could prove to be a big mistake. So I called a “friend” at the time(he since went from conspiracy to lone nut over night, AFTER I took him with me) and I will admit-he saved the day, as we used a white box for a screen, and I could not handled an original film without passing out!(Break it and no words could describe!)

Anyway the old projector was risky, but was all we had at the time, I mean you are told to see an original film at a man’s house who is over 70-you just go and worry about things later-you could see the Grassy Knoll even with the (herky jerky) of the projector. I had met a contact to the Dallas Morning News(Jeffery Weiss)thanks to Tom Bowden Of the Conspiracy Museum,who had a press conference on the Sirhan Gun.

I asked him if he had heard of the Paschall film and he said no-I showed him the Redacted FBI document on it and asked, that if I saw it and recorded it, would he do a story on it and he said to call him. Anyway after I recorded it, I called and he turned me over to Bill Minutaglio and at first I think he or someone said,”Another Conspirracy Story?” to which I said, “This is a story about the history of this Community!” and the Washington Post or the New York Times had offices 100 yards from where Patsy filmed in the Old Red Courthouse-so he agreed to meet Patsy, myself and view the film, as he had never heard of her. Can’t blame him for being skeptical.

He was very nice, listened to Patsy’s story, saw the film, looked at my Eyewitness Video Part-II that had her Interview, (before I saw the film), and by golly, we made the Front Page of the Dallas Morning News on 10/31/95-(wished it was one day AFTER Halloween)-anyway the AP, picked up the story and I thought we were on our way, to say the least. I saw Lecture engagements, Professional Film Enhancements, Inside Edition maybe even Oprah, but NO ONE was to ask us to be on a show in the entire world, except Local KDFW-Fox News!!

I am sure there is not one researcher who dreams of making a contribution, being on National TV. And making the Lecture circuit. None of this ever happened, even though after Fox News Interviewed us all Day(and in Nov when attorney Bruner had the film transferred to Beta SP AND Enhancements)-we were called by People Magazine, National Enquire, Inside Edition, many Radio Stations, Scam artists and no one showed the film. People Magazine interviewed us for 7 hours(& 9 rolls of film) and never printed the story-A Current Affair flew us to New York, talked to us that night about showing her film, then left us in the Hotel and never did the Story-moral of the story is; get it in writing, before you commit your time,(unless you are rich).

Anyway, Patsy was concerned that someone was using her film,without her permission and she tried to stop him. This turned out to be a waste of time, as I told her the “Spotlight” would die soon, as JFK stories have a very limited time-frame, as far as the News Media is concerned. But she was right in saying,”Mark, we were on the front page of the 4th largest paper in the USA, if they wanted us on a show, we would have been asked to-“

So anyway, the film showed 2 things that no one knew about, not the Sixth Floor Museum or anyone else. It showed the Grassy Knoll and “Flashes” behind the Picket fence, as well as Zapruder Jumping off the pedestal at about 13 to 15 seconds after the Fatal Shot(Z-313)—whether he really said it or not, Gary Mack was quoted in the same front page story,”The film is interesting, but not crucial”-and the “film does not show the shooting sequence, and that is far and away the most important consideration of any monetary value—“ Hard to believe those comments after his work on the “Badgeman” and the acoustical Evidence of a 4th shot that the HSCA did conclude in 1979.

Anyway you must understand the Museum did not want the film sold or out of Texas, that they wanted it. And to guarantee that, all you have to do is down play it. As of today 9 years later, the film is not shown in the Museum, and they have a Copy! You have to understand that Patsy wanted it sold, she is not a researcher—I tried to help her sell it and at the same time, tried to show it more. I warned her there would be people trying to separate us, and they did. I even called Jamie Silverberg who was so excited, he asked me to FED-EX the Film Enhancements.

I asked him what Documentary Showed Air Force One&Two flying in to Love Field, Zapruder jumping off the Pedestal, and Movement BEHIND the Picket fence as Zapruder jumped off, and he admitted,”None”—I never heard from him after that-although Patsy called him and possibly her new “Lawyer” messed things up. I think someone scared her off, as I have been told she,”gets cold feet on a Documentary, or asks too much money”.

Anyway the Enhancements are included in my Documentary Video, “On the Trail of the Mystery FBI Man”.

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Anyway the Enhancements are included in my Documentary Video, “On the Trail of the Mystery FBI Man”.

Mark,

Where is your video available? Does it include the Paschall film, or just enhanced frames?

Ron

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Does it include the Paschall film, or just enhanced frames?

I am refraining from making a joke about elder abuse regarding my feelings about old lady Paschall and her camera work. When that film goes all over the place from that vantage point at that moment in history --- !@#$%^&*

Tim

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Mark Oakes,Nov 23 2004, 11:48 AM said:

I am sure there is not one researcher who dreams of making a contribution, being on National TV. And making the Lecture circuit. None of this ever happened, even though after Fox News Interviewed us all Day(and in Nov when attorney Bruner had the film transferred to Beta SP AND Enhancements)-we were called by People Magazine, National Enquire, Inside Edition, many Radio Stations, Scam artists and no one showed the film. People Magazine interviewed us for 7 hours(& 9 rolls of film) and never printed the story-A Current Affair flew us to New York, talked to us that night about showing her film, then left us in the Hotel and never did the Story-moral of the story is; get it in writing, before you commit your time,(unless you are rich).

Interesting post and subject Mark. I am struck by the fact that there seem to be some parallels between your experiences with Patsy Paschall and this film and Judyth Baker's experiences with 60 Minutes. I am not sure what that means exactly, but it appears to be a sub-topic worth pursuing.

Judyth was involved with 60 minutes for about 18 months in a sort of whirlwind of activity that involved a number of people and apparently a lot of excitement, and then, per Don Hewitt, the producer, the door was 'slammed in their faces.' He could not figure out why this story 'of our lifetimes' was 'unbreakable'. In Judyth's case, there were people of some stature in the research community working against her, and other issues that have not yet been defined. I can only wonder if there was a current working against you as well.

Please share with us how to purchase your videos.

Thanks,

Pamela

Pamela

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Anyway the Enhancements are included in my Documentary Video, “On the Trail of the Mystery FBI Man”.

Mark,

Where is your video available? Does it include the Paschall film, or just enhanced frames?

Ron

Hi Ron

You can get it from me at realjfkfacts@hotmail.com or Eyewitness James Tague's Ebay Store, or the Conspiracy Museum here in Dallas--It contains the 7 TV Interviews we did on Fox Network here in Oct & Nov 1995 and I included the "Hottest" part of Zapruder jumping off the pedestle 13 to 15 sec after the Fatal Shot, as well as the Extreme Blowup of the Movement behind the picket fence around the same time Zappy jumps off!

And to answer your question-it does not have the entire film out of respect to Patsy who owns the film-I am hoping she decides to get it on a Documentary-but we were stonwalled a little on the coverage-

I appreciate your interest-sorry it took so long to respond-only get to use a computer a few min a day-

Thanks Again

Mark Oakes

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Mark Oakes,Nov 23 2004, 11:48 AM said:

I am sure there is not one researcher who dreams of making a contribution, being on National TV. And making the Lecture circuit. None of this ever happened, even though after Fox News Interviewed us all Day(and in Nov when attorney Bruner had the film transferred to Beta SP AND Enhancements)-we were called by People Magazine, National Enquire, Inside Edition, many Radio Stations, Scam artists and no one showed the film. People Magazine interviewed us for 7 hours(& 9 rolls of film) and never printed the story-A Current Affair flew us to New York, talked to us that night about showing her film, then left us in the Hotel and never did the Story-moral of the story is; get it in writing, before you commit your time,(unless you are rich).

Interesting post and subject Mark.  I am struck by the fact that there seem to be some parallels between your experiences with Patsy Paschall and this film and Judyth Baker's experiences with 60 Minutes.  I am not sure what that means exactly, but it appears to be a sub-topic worth pursuing.

Judyth was involved with 60 minutes for about 18 months in a sort of whirlwind of activity that involved a number of people and apparently a lot of excitement, and then, per Don Hewitt, the producer, the door was 'slammed in their faces.'  He could not figure out why this story 'of our lifetimes' was 'unbreakable'.  In Judyth's case, there were people of some stature in the research community working against her, and other issues that have not yet been defined.  I can only wonder if there was a current working against you as well.

Please share with us how to purchase your videos.

Thanks,

Pamela

Pamela

Hi Pamela

I have always respected your work and appreciate all you do! Thank You for the Info on Judyth's story and if you mention Physical or Photographic evidence-they won't have anything to do with you.

An Example is going to CBS,NBC&ABC with the front page of the Dallas M News in hand(the best reference we could ever ask for)AND BEING TURNED AWAY by all of them--Patsy would of went on those shows then, as that was before the other Lawyer got involved, etc--and if that would of happened, the world would know what is in the film by now--

They(media) chastise us for our theories and conjecture, then when we get hard evidence--they can't be found!

You can contact me at realjfkfacts@hotmail.com & I'll tell you about the Videos/DVD's--

Thank Tou! Pamela!

Mark

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Bonjour Mark. I don't think I've seen or heard from you since... what 1995? I still have those two videos you gave me. I have been able to add information gleaned from them over the years. I think I'm going on year number 17 with the research. I think that's how old I was when we met. The Paschall film is very interesting. Have you ever succeeded in getting it aired? I know the Beta showed quite a bit. Have you done any computer enhancements yet? My husband has done some interesting things in looking at some of the pictures I've gotten from various witnesses over the years. If you have someone that can do it, you should. I also have a friend in LA that does documentaries. She has one airing at the Sundance Film Festival this year. Perhaps you two should talk. Let me know if you've had any new developements.

-Carrie

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Bonjour Mark. I don't think I've seen or heard from you since... what 1995? I still have those two videos you gave me. I have been able to add information gleaned from them over the years. I think I'm going on year number 17 with the research. I think that's how old I was when we met. The Paschall film is very interesting. Have you ever succeeded in getting it aired? I know the Beta showed quite a bit. Have you done any computer enhancements yet? My husband has done some interesting things in looking at some of the pictures I've gotten from various witnesses over the years. If you have someone that can do it, you should. I also have a friend in LA that does documentaries. She has one airing at the Sundance Film Festival this year. Perhaps you two should talk. Let me know if you've had any new developements.

-Carrie

Maybe I am beating a dead horse here, but a generalized summation of the "Paschall Film" history is that some ten-odd years ago the story breaks about Patty Paschall, the media runs with it (a little) and at some point it comes out that Ms. Paschall is trying to sell the film for some incredible amount of money; no takers. She still has the film collecting dust figuratively, it is obvious, (I am conjecturing) that the film is not going to be sold tommorrow or the day after that. Has anyone thought about contacting here and appealing to her to just release the damn thing, and say to hell with the money. I'm just thinking out loud here, but for God sakes, it has been ten years, what is the point?

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Bonjour Mark. I don't think I've seen or heard from you since... what 1995? I still have those two videos you gave me. I have been able to add information gleaned from them over the years. I think I'm going on year number 17 with the research. I think that's how old I was when we met. The Paschall film is very interesting. Have you ever succeeded in getting it aired? I know the Beta showed quite a bit. Have you done any computer enhancements yet? My husband has done some interesting things in looking at some of the pictures I've gotten from various witnesses over the years. If you have someone that can do it, you should. I also have a friend in LA that does documentaries. She has one airing at the Sundance Film Festival this year. Perhaps you two should talk. Let me know if you've had any new developements.

-Carrie

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Bonjour Mark. I don't think I've seen or heard from you since... what 1995? I still have those two videos you gave me. I have been able to add information gleaned from them over the years. I think I'm going on year number 17 with the research. I think that's how old I was when we met. The Paschall film is very interesting. Have you ever succeeded in getting it aired? I know the Beta showed quite a bit. Have you done any computer enhancements yet? My husband has done some interesting things in looking at some of the pictures I've gotten from various witnesses over the years. If you have someone that can do it, you should. I also have a friend in LA that does documentaries. She has one airing at the Sundance Film Festival this year. Perhaps you two should talk. Let me know if you've had any new developements.

-Carrie

Mark I purchased the VHS Video 'On the Trail of the Mystery FBI Man' - Interviews Foster, Maddox;

FBI - Barrett, Gemberling & Hosty; Runnig Time 1 hr. 4 min.'

While I felt that the video contained very illuminating information overall, I was a little disappointed with the 'Paschall footage,' in reference to viewing the 'Nash Rambler Station Wagon,' which is an important piece of evidence in any potential 'future legal proceedings.' Is there any footage of the Nash Rambler in the video I've mentioned?

If so could you specifically mention where it is at?

Is it in the beginning sequence of the Paschall film?

If it is in another of the JFK Eyewitness Video's could you tell me which one it is?

You should consider posting your thoughts on the JFK Debate, I am sure they would be illuminating.

Do you know the license plate number of the Nash Rambler in question?

If so that would be important evidence that would be of value in resolving some of the unanswered questions about the JFK Assassination, particularly if it could establish that the Nash found at UT is the same one.

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