Shanet Clark

[Shanet Clark]

Shanet Clark:

Vice Chairman

DeKalb County Historic Preservation Commission

Architectural Review Board

Masters in Education

Woodruff History Fellow GSU

Organization of American Historians, the National Trust (USA) for Histororic Preservation

National Council of History Educators (OAH, AHA, SHA and NCHE).

Shanet Clark graduated summa cum laude with a BA in History from GSU

and earned Honors in the graduate History and M.Ed. Georgia Regents program.

A writer well versed in intelligence and Watergate history,

Clark is able to offer sober reality checks, facts, citations, to the debate

-- proud member of the EDUCATION FORUM.

Shan Clark.

David Shanet Clark, M.Ed.

Writer / Historian.

Born 3/15/1962: Huntington, Cabell County, West Virginia.

Outdoorsman.

Married to B.B.C Clark, Charleston S.C. 10/1/96, Parish of St. Michael's.

Resides Atlanta, Georgia: Democrat.

Episcopalian/ Disciples of Christ.

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Blueblood Genealogy:

FFV or "First Family of Virginia"

David Shanet Clark:

"I am apparently a fourteenth generation American,

my direct ancestors seem to have come from England

to Virginia in 1611, and I have WWII, Civil War and Revolutionary War ancestors, as well.

The Pilot, John Clark,

who was captured at Jamestown and held by the

Spanish for four years, he was then hired to pilot the 'Mayflower' to Plymouth, Massachusetts,

and he is my probable ancestor.

I know of no other person who had land and property granted to him at both Plymouth Colony and Jamestown Virginia - and he is my direct great grandfather

to the fourteenth generation.

John Clark was a navigator and a Quaker and he did not sign The Mayflower Compact,

however he piloted the ship, the Mayflower,

and an island in Cape Cod Bay is named for John Clark.

GENEALOGY

Shanet Clark's Ancestry:

14. D. Shanet Clark 1962-

Author of this table, Historian.

13. D. S. Clark 1922-

Author's father, Pacific Theater WWII

Lieut., M.D., Virginia.

12. Elmer Sylvan Clark 1899-1971

C & O Rails, Raconteur in The Great Depression, Epicopalian. Va.

11. Frederick W. Clark 1875-1944

C & O Rail Tunnel Foreman, Postwar Va.,

The Great Depression. Va.

10. Franklin W. Clark C.S.A. 1847-1929

Confederate Wise Artillery, Deacon.

Post War Depression. Va.

9. James Towles Clark 1813-1913 Victorian, Orange Virginia Union Church. Va.

8. William Clark Rev. 1766-1834 Revolutionary Rider, Surveyor, Clark's Mtn., Va.

7. John Clark 1741-1831 Revolutionary Supplier. Orange County, Va. The Old Man of All the Mountain.

6. William Clark 1711-1790 Left Spotsylvania County for Clark's Mtn. Orange County, Va.

5. Edward Clark c. 1648-1736, m. 1662, *m. 1681, m. 1699. Pregenitor of Frontier Clarks, Va.

4. Micajah Clark c. 1633-1699 Many later generations are named for this Micajah Clark, who was in Va. by 1671.

3. Michael Clark 1610-1677 3ngland, thrived in Barbados, then to Charleston, and to Richmond, Henrico Co., Virg

2. Edward Clark 1594-1630 England.

1. John Clark, the Pilot 1573-1624

> 1. John Clark

preceded in England by

(15) William Clark b. 1553 Stefenage, Herts.

(16) Thomas Clark b. 1527 Hertsfordshire.

Notes:

Apparently I am a fourteenth generation American.

I can trace back sixteen generations to the early sixteenth century in central England,

during Henry VII's reign.

The generation averages out to twenty five years.

The Pilot John Clark, whose testimony to the Spanish Inquisition about the strategic condition of the North American English Colonial Coast can be read in numerous journals, and the man who was ransomed for the Virginia Company by King James I;

the Pilot, John Clark 1573-1624 (1)

had a number of children,

Susannah, Edward, Katherine, Thomas.

These were his heirs, in both Virginia and Plymouth.

John Clark's son, Edward Clark, 1585-1630 (2)

remained in England, and Edward was the father of Michael Clark 1610-1678 (3).

Michael Clark is well documented in Barbados, and re-settled in Virginia after arriving in the formative year of 1670 into Charleston, South Carolina.

Michael was the father of Micajah 1629-1699 (4)

who was born in Barbados and moved to South Carolina and then into Henrico County, Virginia.

Micajah was the father of Edward Clark 1662-1736 (5)

the founder of the Clark's Mountain Clan.

This Micajah was also the father of Captain Christopher Clark, founder of another prominent frontier family. Edward Clark, Christopher Clark's brother, was the associate (probable kinfolk) of Richard Taliafero, and as an overseer developed land in the new County of Orange, Virginia in 1736 at Clark's Mountain. Some of these Clarks were surveyors, marking the James River and Greenbrier River valleys for the first time.

The Clark's Mountain Clarks have been in central Virginia on the Rapidan River since 1736. Edward was the father of William Clark (6) 1711-1792 who had revolutionary associations. William was the father of (7 )John Clark, The Old Man of All the Mountain (1741-1831) the master of Clark's Mountain, with its long views. John Clark was the father of William Clark (8) 1766-1834 a revolutionary veteran, Wm. Clark was the father of James Towles Clark (9) a Victorian methodist who lived 1813-1913. James Clark was the father of Franklin W. Clark (10) 1847-1929 a Confederate Veteran, and Franklin was the father of Frederick W. Clark (11) 1875-1944 a railroad tunnel foreman.

He was the father of (12) 1899-1971 Elmer Sylvan Clark,

my grandfather, who lived in Orange and Unionville,

at the foot of Clark's Mountain

near Culpeper and Charlottesville Virginia.

(some dates and links are best estimates or contested)

CLARK, CLARKE, CLERK or CLERKE; Literate, but less than aristocratic, Englishmen were originally clerks, lay church officials who wrote for the English courts, the sheriffs and the bishops. By the 16th century we know of a Sir Thomas Clarke, and the Latin Cleric or Clericus or Clerq goes back, with the underground church, before Augustine's arrival from Rome in the seventh century.

Stone inscriptions in Christian graveyards in Britain show an unbroken British Druidic Christian Church from the first century contact in Rome and Wales to the seventh century, but little written text and no bishops' names have survived.

The Clericus family were the original Clarks, writing, maintaining a literated culture and scholarly dignity even in the face of Saxon pagan tyranny.

This Post should also clarify certain other historical families:

WAUGH, HOSSLEY, BOLLING, MOORMAN, CANDLER, WILLOUGHBY & JAMES.

The Georgia Family of Larkin Clark descend from Edward Clark (5).

This branch founded Elberton, Ga and then participated in Revolutionary Land Lots.

George Rogers Clark and William Clark:

There are only traces of a connection of this Colonial Virginia Clark family to the family of George Rogers Clark and William Clark (of Lewis and Clark).

George Rogers Clark referred to a cousin of my line, Marston Green Clark, as a "cousin" (Bodley, Frankort) in a letter, and the Marston Green name and other names are consistent across the two frontier family lines, but William and George Rogers Clark settled in the "west" Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and Missouri, and I have found no solid link from the Clark's Mtn (Civil War Observation Post) line and this other line, however in the search I found John, Edward, Michael and Micajah,

on top of what I already knew about Clark's Mountain back to the Revolutionary Day." scribners.org

Curriculum Vitae CV Resume:

David Shanet Clark

shanetclark@yahoo.com

DeKalb County Historic Preservation Commission

2006-2009 Vice Chair

Degrees:

M.Ed. Georgia State University 2006

B.A. History summa cum laude

Georgia State University Atlanta 2002

Areas of Interest:

U.S. Political History 1607-1865

Political and Economic Geography

of Greater Virginia and West Virginia

Nineteenth Century Culture

U.S Political Events 1920-1980

Minor in Political Science

Interest in Map Geography

Awards:

E.I. Woodruff Fellowship

Southern History, GSU, 2003-2004.

GSU History Department and Middle East Center:

Graduate Assistant, 2003-2004.

Egyptian Graphics Project. Forming a Database and Gallery of Egyptian History and Culture.

Malone History Scholarship, GSU, 2002

Dean’s Key and Faculty Scholar, GSU, 2001-2002

Honors History Student of the Year,

Georgia Perimeter College GPC 2001

United States Senate Youth Scholarship

(1 of 100 nationwide) and the

William Randolph Hearst Scholarship at Marshall University (c.1986)

99th Percentile –

Graduate Records Exam, Verbal Test, 2002 (GRE 760/610)

99th Percentile –

College Level Equivalency Exam, CLEP, English Literature.

Conference Presentations:

“Seceding from Secession:

Strategic and Geographic Factors in the Partition of Virginia and West Virginia, 1863”

q.v.@ <scribners.org>

Presented:

New England Historical Association, Annual meeting, April 2005.

The Georgia Interdisciplinary Conference; UGA Athens, GA, February 21, 2004

The Florida Historians’ Conference; Lake City, Florida, March 3, 2004

The Organization of American Historians’

Southern Regional Conference; Atlanta, July 17, 2004

and other venues.

Archival and Special Collections Research:

“Executive Order 12036: President Carter Restructures the Intelligence Community”

Jimmy Carter Library, Atlanta

“The 1947 Georgia Governors’ Controversy: The Talmadge Tapes”

Pullen Library Special Collections, GSU Atlanta (Submitted to Georgia Journal of Historians)

Teaching Experience:

Welfare to Work Adult Literacy Program, Fayette County, KY, 1992-1995

High School At-Risk Dropout Prevention Program Teacher, Lexington KY, 1992-1995

Restaurant General Manager

Skills:

Agfa Scanner 3.6, Photoshop,

Word, Excell, Access, Sound Engineer, Editor.

Membership:

National Trust for Drayton Hall, South Carolina

Organization of American Historians

American Historical Association

Southern Historical Association

National Council for History Education

Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations

Autobiography of posting member.

Sworn: Photo Avatar Portrait Shanet Clark.

Member:Education Forum. 2/14/2005: Shan Clark, Shanet Clark: ATL-USA.

2/6/2008

Edited February 8, 2008 by Shanet Clark

[Shanet Clark]

Shanet Clark

re: Internet Geneology

Education Forum

Public Search Engine Informational Post 12/2004

Shanet Clark: "I am apparently a fourteenth generation American,

my direct ancestors came from England to Virginia in 1611.

I have WWII, Civil War and Revolutionary War ancestors.

The Pilot, John Clark, who was captured at Jamestown and held by the Spanish for four years, was then hired to pilot the 'Mayflower' to Plymouth, Massachusetts, and he is my direct ancestor. I know of no other person who had property granted to him at both Plymouth Colony and Jamestown, Virginia, and he is my great grandfather to the fourteenth generation. He was Quaker and did not sign the Mayflower Compact, however he piloted the ship, and an island in Cape Cod Bay is named after him."

MY BLUEBLOOD GENEOLOGY AS AN F.F.V.

The Mayflower, Jamestown, and the First Family of Virginia,

one Cavalier Virginian, Shanet Clark's Ancestry:

14. D. Shanet Clark 1962- Author of this table, Historian.

13. D. S. Clark 1922- Author's father, WWII Pacific Theater, M.D., Va.

12. Elmer Sylvan Clark 1899-1971 Raconteur in Great Depression, Epicopalian, Mason, Va.

11. Frederick W. Clark 1875-1944 Rail tunnel foreman, postwar Va. Great Depression, Va.

10. Franklin W. Clark C.S.A. 1847-1929 Confederate Wise Artillery, Deacon. Post War Depression, Va.

9. James Towles Clark 1813-1913 Victorian, Orange Virginia Union Church, Va.

8. William Clark Rev. 1766-1834 Revolutionary Rider, Surveyor, Clark's Mtn., Va.

7. John Clark 1741-1831 Revolutionary Supplier. Orange County, Va.

6. William Clark 1711-1790 Left Spotsylvania County for Clark's Mtn. Orange County, Va.

5. Edward Clark 1662-1736 m. 1662, m. 1681, m. 1699.

Pregenitor of Virginia and Georgia Frontier Clark families, Va.

4. Micajah Clark c. 1630-1699 Many later generations are named for Micajah Clark., who had arrived in Va. by 1671.

3. Michael Clark 1610-1678 Born England, lived in Barbados, then on to Charleston, S.C. and Richmond, (Henrico Co.), Virginia.

2. Edward Clark 1592-1630 England.

1. John Clark, the Pilot 1572-1624. Hostage of the Spanish.

Grants in Jamestown, Pilot's Grants, Plymouth Colony, Pilot of the Mayflower.

(15) William Clark b. 1553 Stefenage, Herts.

(16) Sir Thomas Clark b. 1527 Hertsfordshire.

Notes:

Shanet Clark is apparenlty a fourteenth generation American.

He can trace back sixteen generations to the early 16th century.

The Pilot John Clark, whose testimony to the Spanish Inquisition about the strategic condition of the North American English Colonial Coast can be read in numerous journals, was the man who was ransomed for the Virginia Company by King James I. The Pilot, John Clark 1572-1624 (1) had a number of children, Susannah, Edward, Katherine, Thomas. These were his heirs in England, Virginia, and Plymouth Colony.

John Clark's son, Edward Clark, 1592-1630 (2) remained in England, and Edward was the father of Michael Clark 1610-1678 (3). Michael Clark is well documented in Barbados, and re-settled in Virginia after arriving in the formative year of 1670 into Charleston, South Carolina.

Michael was the father of Micajah 1629-1699 (4), who was born in Barbados and moved to South Carolina and then on to Henrico County, Virginia.

Micajah was the father of Edward Clark 1662-1736 (5) the founder of the Clark's Mountain Clan.

This Micajah was also the father of Captain Christopher Clark, founder of another prominent frontier family. Edward Clark, Christopher Clark's brother, was the associate of Richard Taliafero, and as an overseer developed land in the new County of Orange, Virginia, in 1736, at Clark's Mountain on the Rapidan River. Some of these Clarks were surveyors, marking the James River and Greenbrier River valleys for the first time and explored the colonial Guyandotte Valley.

The Clark's Mountain Clarks have been in central Virginia on the Rapidan River since 1736. Edward was the father of William Clark (6) 1711-1792 who had revolutionary associations. William was the father of (7 ) John Clark, "The Old Man of All the Mountain" (1741-1831) the master of Clark's Mountain, with its long views. John Clark was the father of William Clark (8) 1766-1834 a revolutionary veteran, Wm. Clark was the father of James Towles Clark (9) a Victorian methodist who lived 1813-1913. James Clark was the father of Franklin W. Clark (10) 1847-1929 a Confederate Veteran, and Franklin was the father of Frederick W. Clark (11) 1875-1944 a railroad tunnel foreman.

He was the father of (12) 1899-1971 Elmer Sylvan Clark, no relation to Elmer T. Clark, author. Elmer Clark of Orange, Virginia was Shanet Clark's grandfather.

[some dates are best estimates, and some links are contested or poorly attested]

CLARK, CLARKE, CLERK or CLERKE {name};

Literate, but less than aristocratic, Englishmen were originally clerks, lay church officials who wrote for the English courts, the sheriffs and the bishops. By the 16th century we know of a Sir Thomas Clarke, and the Latin Cleric or Clericus or Clerq goes back, with the underground church, before Augustine's arrival from Rome in the seventh century. Stone inscriptions in Christian graveyards in Britain show an unbroken British Druidic Christian Church from the first century contact in Rome and Wales to the seventh century, but little written text and few bishops' names have survived. The Clericus family were the original Clarks, writing, maintaining a literated culture and scholarly dignity even in the face of Saxon pagan tyranny in the Dark Ages in England.

This Post should also clarify certain other historical families:

WAUGH, HOSSLEY, BOLLING, MOORMAN, CANDLER, WILLOUGHBY & JAMES.

The Georgia Family of Larkin Clark descended from Edward Clark (5).

This branch founded Elberton, Ga. and participated in Revolutionary Land Lots.

There are only traces of a connection of this Colonial Virginia Clark family to the family of General George Rogers Clark and his brother Captain William Clark (of Lewis and Clark). George Rogers Clark did refer to a cousin of my line, Marston Green Clark, as a "cousin" (GRC, Bodley, Frankort) in a letter, and the Marston Green name and other names are consistent across the two frontier family lines, but William and George Rogers Clark settled in the "west"; Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and Missouri, and I have found no solid link from the Clark's Mountain (Civil War Observation Post) Virginia line and the George Rogers Clark line, however in the research I found John, Edward, Michael and Micajah, in addition to what I already knew about the Clark's Mountain characters going back to the Revolutionary Days from family records.

Shanet Clark, Shan Clark, Member Author Education Forum International 2004

Please contact me in Atlanta:

email: shanetclark@yahoo.com

website: http://w.w.w.scribners.org

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Edited March 15, 2005 by Shanet Clark

[Shanet Clark]

My Webpage

[Shanet Clark]

International Friends and Colleagues:

I recently completed work in the Middle East Center

as a photo archive Egyptologist while

doing research with the EI Woodruff Fellowship in

US History at Georgia State.......

I was also named to the board of architectural

review known here in Dekalb County, Georgia as the

Historic Preservation Commission. It is a monthly

county board with agenda........also I have

received a commission from the US Department of

Education to review ten different one million dollar grant requests

in the field of traditional american history........2007.........

and how was your day?

photo is from the set of "WE ARE MARSHALL"

Edited April 13, 2007 by Shanet Clark

[Thomas Graves]

International Friends and Colleagues:

I recently completed work in the Middle East Center

as a photo archive Egyptologist while

doing research with the EI Woodruff Fellowship in

US History at Georgia State.......

I was also named to the board of architectural

review known here in Dekalb County, Georgia as the

Historic Preservation Commission. It is a monthly

county board with agenda........also I have

received a commission from the US Department of

Education to review ten different one million dollar grant requests

in the field of traditional american history........2007.........

and how was your day?

photo is from the set of "WE ARE MARSHALL"

_______________________________

Hey Shanet,

Congratulations!

--Thomas

_______________________________

[Shanet Clark]

Thanks, Thomas.

Recently the American Bar Association recognized me with

the "Liberty Bell" for building respect for the rule of law.

This award came mainly for teaching Civics and History in

the public schools in Metropolitan Atlanta and serving on the

Historical Preservation Commission; and as an added bonus

I was the Keynote Speaker at the DeKalb County Bar Association

annual banquet.

Thanks to all of you for your supporting my research and writing !!!

[Shanet Clark]

How Historians Will View the George W. Bush Era

By David Shanet Clark, M.Ed.

DeKalb County Historical Preservation Commission

Teacher, Tucker High School , Tucker, Ga.

E.I. Woodruff Fellow in History

Wm. R. Hearst Foundation / United States Senate Scholar

Organization of American Historians

Historians make great dinner party guests. We can add facts and analysis to hunches and rumors that people are curious about. When people disagree on points of religion, politics and race, the historian is often the one to referee the debate. The War in Iraq , the Geneva Conventions violations, the failure of the Iraqi government – how will future historians critique the Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush era?

The White House since 2001 has misinterpreted or twisted history to suit its needs. It has confused Iran with Iraq , it has confused the Taliban and Al-Qaeda with international communism, and it has neglected to study Gamal Abdul Nasser or the situation in the Balkans (formerly communist Yugoslavia ). It has failed to heed the lessons of basic military history. It has squandered the global support it enjoyed after 9/11 and it has used Colin Powell himself to destroy the post-Vietnam consensus policy called the ‘Powell Doctrine.’ The Bush administration failed to heed the lessons of the Roman Republic and the lessons of American foreign imperialism. They ignored lessons learned from Napoleon, Wellington and even the Third Reich. Historians, like other early critics, can say “we told you so, America ” because we knew THEN what is clear NOW.

First, Iran and Iraq . Apparently the neoconservatives wanted to turn the clock back to the days before Jimmy Carter “lost” Iran . The Shah of Iran was a solid western ally, taking about $15 billion dollars in military aid from the US in the 1970s. When Iran fell to the “student” forces of the Ayatollah Khomeini in late 1978, the US lost a grand chess piece. After 9/11 with Saddam Hussein as a poster boy for bad behavior, Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney and Rumsfeld saw the opportunity to regain something similar. Rather than invade Iran itself, nearby Iraq became the coveted new chess piece. American overseas adventures could be sold to the public via fear. Colin Powell went to the United Nations (like Adlai Stevenson) and presented aerial photos of trucks and warehouses. He didn’t know it at the time, but he was simultaneously destroying his own reputation, the resilience of the post-Vietnam War “Powell Doctrine” and the memorable successes of JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.

With the Iran-like (or Iran Light?) target in place, Bush linked Saddam to Al-Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks without any historical evidence. Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) were deduced and hysterical claims were used to browbeat the U.N. and Congress to authorize the use of force falsely (mushroom clouds and long range missiles were mentioned by the President and Secretary of State). The Secretary of Defense then over-ruled his own chiefs of staff and used only one third of the necessary ground troops to secure Iraq . Any first semester Military History 101 class will teach the necessity of large numbers of infantry troops being necessary after initial artillery barrages. Mr. Rumsfeld joined us in watching the “shock and awe” bombardment of Baghdad on CNN, but he put fewer than 200,000 troops on the ground to secure the large Middle Eastern target country. “Mission Accomplished” the signs said, but the reality was that the one man, Donald Rumsfeld, had made a colossal strategic error, and the U.S. would never secure the ground he had bombed and then weakly invaded. His new super-high-tech army was overloaded with batteries and lacked body armor, and the infantry simply could not secure and hold Iraqi territory rapidly enough. Major and simple historical conclusions were ignored; the lessons of Napoleon, Wellington , Vietnam , D-Day and the first Gulf War were lost.

More major strategic errors mounted up in the years following the poorly planned invasion. Baathists were purged and Sunnis generally ostracized in the new Iraq .

State Department diplomats who knew the symbolic power of Baathism to the area were ignored. Many Iraqi families tolerated Baathism under Saddam Hussein because it was the party of Egypt ’s charismatic Gamal Abdul Nasser. Nasser had invented the secular, authoritarian nation in the Middle East , and Saddam Hussein and Moamar Qadddafi stayed in power because of the powerful ability of these Nasserite lieutenants to hold together religiously divided regions under firm Baathist nationalism. Bush and his Cabinet misread or ignored all of this history. They failed to recall the crisis of Yugoslavia after Tito, the strongman, fell. They had no inkling that a state bundled together from old colonial provinces could fall apart if the strong man was toppled. The lessons of Serbia , Bosnia and Kosovo were lost. Mosul , Basra and Baghdad provinces were cobbled into state called Iraq only after World War One after the Turkish Empire collapsed, so the similarities between the Balkan crisis and Iraq should have been obvious. They failed on their own terms.

When the Bush administration ventured into global adventurism and “pre-emptive” war on false grounds, they failed to even secure the new turf. Bush and Cheney in their panic to react to the hated reigns of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, built secret torture prisons (which were poorly run, with guards emailing pictures of naked piles of captives to their friends), they “legalized” domestic wire-tapping and data mining, they got caught kidnapping people in Europe (Extraordinary renditions) and generally made our diplomatic situation in the world much harder while squandering almost all the goodwill the U.S. enjoyed.

When Bush pushed into his neo-imperial conquest of Iraq , he crossed the Rubicon. When Julius Ceasar crossed the Rubicon River he brought autocratic executive imperial powers to Rome , and ended Rome ’s long tradition of being a representative republic forever. Other historians point to avoidable mistakes in Iraq based on our historical knowledge of race, class, gender and religion. Hyper-masculine and self-defeating, the Bush imperialist executive probably does not see its adventure in Iraq as a generational issue. Historians who know about the post-Civil War generation drumming up the Spanish American War, they can see that eagerness to be tough “like Daddy’s generation” runs through this group, too. Ignorance and militant xenophobia along race, social class, religious and cultural lines are easily seen in the United States ’ occupation of Iraq today.

The secrecy will not stop history, and people will tell the tale of the Bush years. Corruption, incompetence, waste, Cheney’s own Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root squandering vast fortunes…this was all historically predictable from the experience in Vietnam and other colonial wars. The ignorance of Arabic, the ignorance of Sunni, Shia and Kurd conflicts, the ignorance of basic military ‘artillery and infantry’ relationships, all these factors put the US in today’s embarrassing position. Neo-conservative ideology and silly reaction trumped planning, research and prudence. We tried to export democracy at the point of a gun and we failed. The sole superpower is bogged down in Babylon , and the U.S. has gained nothing while billions of dollars and thousands of lives are lost. The failure to think about history makes the counter-productive Bush crew into a probable punching bag for moderate, liberal and conservative historians well into the future.

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[David G. Healy]

Glad to see you're still here and posting, Shanet. KUTGW!

David Healy