Matthew Lewis

Nobody denies that CONTRAILS can turn into cirrus clouds. That's been known about for more than 70 years. You know, that pesky science that Jack won't bother to look at. Nobody has yet to prove that any of the trails are "chemtrails". They likely won't prove they are "chemtrails" until they bother to actually test the trails themselves (which they've promised for years but never actually get around to, maybe because there are plenty of gullible people that are fine with faulty tests on the ground that prove nothing?) I found it interesting that one of the first things Duane's little pdf says is that CONTRAILS can persist for days and grow into clouds, something which most "chemtrailers" including Jack say can't happen.

My favorite part is how they hide this earthquake making machine by making it a public program that gives tours! (HAARP not the book)

Because he can't. I'm actually surprised he responded at all. His usual MO is to ignore anything he doesn't like and treat this board like a personal blog.

Chemtrails had been inactive over Fort Worth this week until today. Then there were numerous ones today filling the sky with bizarre clouds all day. I shot this at about 5 p.m. as a jetliner was taking off from DFW. Jack Pretty cloud picture. Those "bizarre clouds" are cirrus by the way. What's the point of mentioning the flight from DFW? Is it just intended as a "oh by the way"? You do realize that low traffic taking off from only 14 miles away will not be high enough to leave any contrails right? You do realize that other commercial traffic is allowed to fly over your area without stopping right? Those are not CIRRUS clouds. The are all chemtrails spread out by winds aloft. The chemplanes were busy all day in an otherwise blue sky. At sunset there were many more parallel ones in the west as the sun set. Jack Sure Jack. And yet you provide no proof while these clouds look and act EXACTLY like cirrus clouds. You still never mentioned the point of noting the flight from DFW.

Chemtrails had been inactive over Fort Worth this week until today. Then there were numerous ones today filling the sky with bizarre clouds all day. I shot this at about 5 p.m. as a jetliner was taking off from DFW. Jack Pretty cloud picture. Those "bizarre clouds" are cirrus by the way. What's the point of mentioning the flight from DFW? Is it just intended as a "oh by the way"? You do realize that low traffic taking off from only 14 miles away will not be high enough to leave any contrails right? You do realize that other commercial traffic is allowed to fly over your area without stopping right?

If you're asking, is that how they test an aircraft for weight and balance as part of the initial certification of an airframe type, then yes. But I don't see what it has to do with "chemtrails". Your picture has nothing to do with those. Edit to add: For those who can't see the photo because Jack can't be bothered to use a public hosting site (can't be viewed by non-members or those not logged in) or because a couple months have passed and Jack has removed it to post something else, it shows the interior of an aircraft with multiple containers likely filled with water. It is one example of an aircraft being tested for weight and balance. They are able to shift the water from container to container to test different configurations in flight. Jack seems to think it would be used to disperse his mythical "chemtrails" but one must wonder why such an inefficent setup would be used. Edit 2nd: I found the original of the photo. These links http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2008/08/flight-report-a.html http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2007/10/telstar-logisti.html show that it was from the flight testing of the Airbus A380. They are even described there. So that means that whoever passed the pic off as the interior of a "chemtrail" plane deliberately and knowingly LIED. Why would a "chemtrail" believer need to LIE to try to prove their case?

Thanks for the humor page Jack. That is how it was intended right? For starters, anybody who thinks that weather control, which consists of cloud seeding, looks anything like "chemtrails" they are deluding themselves. Then they get into HAARP with all sorts of unfounded BS. Creation of hurricanes and nuclear sized explosions without radiation? Do people actually take this stuff seriously? The video appears to be the same one that Duane posted weeks ago (at least the same audio) as proof of low altitude spraying (although it is never shown or proven in the video). It is high on innuendo, pseudoscience, lies and scare tactics but preciously low on actual facts. Lots of pretty cloud pictures though! The text on the page claims in the title that "Evergreen Aviation Admits to Chemtrail Contracts with USAF" but never actually shows that. They admit to weather modification (cloud seeding) but never say they are doing it for the USAF and never admit to "chemtrails" of any sort. Why do you think a page that has a blatant LIE like that is a "most important article yet on chemtrails and weather control"? I especially thought this claim at the end was hilarious As if there was never freak weather before modern technology! Funny how the top eleven most memorable weather events according to the Farmer's almanac has 10 of them happening before HAARP and 5 of them before the 1900s. http://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather/2007/12/21/top-eleven-most-memorable-weather-events/ And then they follow it up with this IF true, then why do sandstorms STILL ground US aircraft in Iraq and Afghanistan and heavy fog creates landing hazards throughout the region? Keep the humor coming Jack! How about tying in "chemtrails" with crop circles?

Every time I've tried to download this, on multiple computers, it says it is invalid and empty. Since Evan, Bill and I were able to download it obviously your computers are better at detecting "invalid and empty" content then ours. I don't know why it doesn't work for me. I tried it on two computers at home, one at work and now one in a church office. All had the same result. I did get it from Evan though via email. I was being tongue in cheek, have you read it yet? Haven't had a chance to yet. Not really the top on my list of favorite subjects. I'll get to it eventually though.

Every time I've tried to download this, on multiple computers, it says it is invalid and empty. Since Evan, Bill and I were able to download it obviously your computers are better at detecting "invalid and empty" content then ours. I don't know why it doesn't work for me. I tried it on two computers at home, one at work and now one in a church office. All had the same result. I did get it from Evan though via email.

Every time I've tried to download this, on multiple computers, it says it is invalid and empty.

Why would avoiding trampling the rest of the field be a problem? Couldn't they walk down the same tracks the tractors use? The ones running parallel across the entire field?

Apparently we can't get back on topic as I have yet more comments from Duane. These will be the last as comments are no longer allowed on my profile (mods take note that I view this as a form of harassment as I can no longer use a feature of the board due to one member's inability to use it properly) Immature ridicule? I called you cowardly (which you have reciprocated) because you attempted to insult via PM. How is that anything but the truth? They are removed from my PROFILE only as that section of the forum is NOT intended for conversations, something which you can't seem to figure out. They are however immortalized on the forum in text and jpeg for all to see. How is that cowardly exactly? How does that compare to attempting to insult via PM?

Yet another comment from Duane on my PUBLIC profile I maintain my statement that attempting to post insults via private messages (as you ADMITTED you tried to do) is cowardly. I think most reasonable people would agree. I will NOT take that back. If you have something to say to me, say it on the forum where all can see you for what you are or don't say it at all. I will eventually delete Duane's comments on my profile as I don't think the profile is a place for PMs as Duane is trying use it. I will wait however until others have a chance to see them for themselves. Edit to add: Here is a screen capture of the profile page with Duane's comments to make it easier for everyone. Duane's comments will be removed from my profile by the end of the day. As entertaining as all this is, is it possible to get back on topic?

Hoax or not, all I've seen from the trillions that have been spent on a "space program" are neat cell phones, DSL, Dish TV, and really nifty spy apparatus...what a waste. What about all this? http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html http://www.problem-solving-techniques.com/US-Space-Program.html Not too bad for what is usually far less than 1% of the overall budget. What about it? And you REALLY think you know what is being spent? Looks like a heck of a lot more than "neat cell phones, DSL, Dish TV, and really nifty spy apparatus", you know, the POINT of what I was replying to.

Hoax or not, all I've seen from the trillions that have been spent on a "space program" are neat cell phones, DSL, Dish TV, and really nifty spy apparatus...what a waste. What about all this? http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html http://www.problem-solving-techniques.com/US-Space-Program.html Not too bad for what is usually far less than 1% of the overall budget.

I sent that message to you as a PM but your inbox would not accept any new messages.. But I'm sure you already knew that and also knew that was the reason I posted it on your page.. Your e-mail is private, so the only way to get my message to you was to post it on your profile page.. But instead of it showing up immediately, a message came up saying it would need to be approved by a moderator, just like my posts here .. I thought that would be the end of it, but obviously it was approved or you couldn't have posted it here.. So I can only assume that it didn't break any of the forum's rules. As for what I meant by your lies, it would be your constant denial of the existance of chemtrails, despite all of the evidence proving otherwise. Trying to send that message as a private comment is cowardly but exactly what I expected from you. I reserve PMs for friends, colleagues and professionals. You are none of those. Others can send me messages though so I would guess it is your moderated status that prevented you from making a cowardly accusation in privateas incoming messages are NOT blockedfor the majority of users. PUBLIC comments on one's profile are approved by the USER. I approved it so all could see you breaking forum rules and to expose your nasty attitude. Again, what have I posted that is a lie? Is it a lie that the so-called "air grab" did NOT account for the volume of air that was filtered? Is it a lie that the results of your other study were claimed to be parts per MILLION but were really parts per BILLION? Is it a lie that many of those patents are for completely unrelated products and/or processes? Please elaborate. I still have yet to see anything that can not be explained by the long known science behind contrails.

Just received a comment on my profile from Duane. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showuser=2327 As it was not intended to be private (NOT a pm but a public comment on the profile) I have no reason not to post it here

Excellent list of evidence Jack! Yeah! I especially like these that have absolutely nothing to do with "chemtrails" proving the original author was just as clueless 3722183 – March 27, 1973 – Device For Clearing Impurities From The Atmosphere 3808595 – April 30, 1974 – Chaff Dispensing System 3940060 – February 24, 1976 – Vortex Ring Generator 4873928 – October 17, 1989 – Nuclear-sized explosions without radiation (explosions? really?) 4999637 – March 12, 1991 – Creation of artificial ionization clouds above the earth (this refers to space, rather funny that it is included) 5059909 – October 22, 1991 – Determination of particle size and electrical charge 5005355 – April 9, 1991 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor (just the complete opposite of what is described) 5110502 – May 5, 1992 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor (yep, they weren't satisfied with being wrong once, they added both) 5156802 – October 20, 1992 – Inspection of fuel particles with acoustics 5486900 – January 23, 1996 – Measuring device for amount of charge of toner and image forming apparatus having the measuring device (toner, like in a printer) 6045089 – April 4, 2000 – Solar-powered airplane There are many more. Those are just some of the more obvious. Many describe processes conducted on the ground or in space. Others are completely unrelated. There is no proof offered that any of them are in use or even work. Claiming the list is evidence of anything is hilarious. Keep the humor coming!

A lot of the "ground samples" that have been tested came from rainfall.. Rainfall that came from the clouds that were either seeded, or created by chemtrail planes .. The toxins being sprayed, including aluminum and barium, were found in alarming levels in the rainwater tested. Oh really? According to Jack, these trails form cirrus clouds (exactly what one could expect from a persistent contrail). Cirrus clouds are incapable of rain. The last ground sample you presented was misread and claimed as parts per million when it was really parts per billion. They also never accounted for the evaporation that would have concentrated the sample during the month they left it out. There have also been air grab tests done in areas where these chemicals have been sprayed and the same toxins were found in these tests as well.. I'm not sure how anyone would be able to collect samples directly from a trail in the air, while following behind a chemplane. Rent a plane? Why is that so hard to figure out? Multiple "chemtrail" researchers/con men have proposed exactly that in years past always to never get any results. Your "air grab" was nothing of the sort. They did NOT account for the volume of air filtered. Until or unless they do that they are testing dust.

Its free now? The last I checked years ago it wasn't. Good to know it has changed. Thank you.

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Indefensible? So you also believe a STUDY of pollution and volcanic dust is somehow proof of spraying? Talk about incomprehensible! As I've said MANY times before, I have yet to see ANYTHING that can not be explained by the long known science behind contrail formation. Have YOU looked at the science Jack? Oh, that's right I forgot, you believe contrails must always dissipate so of course you haven't. In case you've forgottens, questioning motives is not allowed on this forum. Something else I've said multiple times; I am NOT paid to post here or anywhere else. My opinions are based solely on my own research.

"But contempt seems a given, both in the perpetrating of chemtrails, and in the apparent attempted cover-up." Now, Duane, that appears to be a thinly veiled attempt to accuse me of paid posting. You wouldn't do that, would you? I stand by my statement. Your latest post continues the humor. A STUDY of the effects of pollution and volcanic dust mostly conducted on the ground is now somehow proof of a spraying program! Hilarious!

Exactly what SCIENCE says can happen with contrails. Have you ever actually looked at the science Duane? Note that cirrus clouds were already present, proving that the conditions for persistent contrail formation were right. Now that's a good one. If you'd actually bothered to read ANY of the links on the google search your link links to, you'd find only study of natural aerosols (volcanic and pollution), and NOTHING about purposely spraying anything. Jump to conclusions much? So how does this prove "chemtrails"? A program there is still no proof for and supposed toxins that nobody has bothered to directly test. And of course no proof is presented on the video. Lots of pretty pictures though.

What a perfect example of the willful ignorance of "chemtrailers"! From the lie that contrails must dissipate to the total misunderstanding of meteorology mixed in with plenty of strawman arguments and of course the paranoia that those who oppose them must be "government shills" paid to do so. Funny stuff! I especially like how they persist in the lie that these trails are only left by government planes when many of the "chemtrailer's" own pics and video prove otherwise! Thanks again for the humor Duane! We can always count on you for that. I still have yet to see ANYTHING that can't be explained by the 70+ year old well established science behind the formation of contrails. I found this quote especially humorous It is an absolute LIE as I've posted proof of persistent contrails, and complaint about such, that spread to cover the sky dating back to the 40's. The author ignores the FACT (or likely didn't bother to do any actual research) that today's planes on average fly higher with more powerful engines both of which make persistent contrails more likely. He doesn't even consider the FACT that the reason there were less complaints (the author falsely claims none) is because there was no global internet to spread the ignorance.