Len Colby

So you're saying the Jews control the banking system so they whacked JFK and Lincoln because they were a threat to that control? Is that what you were getting at or did I miss read you? Yeah you and Piper are right, we killed Lincoln and JFK and RFK and MLK jr. we killed Christ too! Happy Easter! What do you know about the Lincoln assassination that we don't? What role did the Federal Reserve which was created in 1913 have in the Lincoln assassination 48 years earlier? What are the Federal Reserve's "strong ties to Israel" So Israel controls the US government? You do realize that Afghanistan was never a threat to Israel and while Iraq was it was also a threat to all it's neighbors. Do you have any evidence that the US invaded Iraq at the behest of Israel? What does Abramoff have to do with the US's Middle East policy or did you mention him just because he's Jewish? The article does not provide any citations to back it's claims. If you want to offer this kind of evidence you'll have to do better

Al etc, I hope you don’t mind being put on the spot but you’re the only person I have any sort of contact with who is qualified to answer my questions. Questions have been raised about the delay in removing Bush from Booker Elementary after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. CTists have suggested that this is a sign that Bush knew what was going to happen. However according to Cooperative Research’s “9/11Timeline” the Secret Service asked about fighter escort at about 9:03 but was told it was not available. Norad was only notified of a 3rd hijacking (flight 77) at 9:24 and the FBI’s Washington Field Office at “around 9:20”; it is not clear when this information was give to the president’s entourage. The president left the school at about 9:34 (about the time the hijacking of flight 93 was confirmed). Based on your experience with presidential security and based on what was known at the time do you believe the delay in removing Bush from the school was: 1) the most prudent thing to do, 2) bad judgment but no a sign of foreknowledge or 3) a definite or probable sign of foreknowledge? The above answers are only suggested don’t feel pigeonholed by these options. Also who’s call was it Bush’s or the head of the SS detail’s? I asked Al, but of course anyone can answer, however I hope that only people who have some specific knowledge will offer their opinions. Others please inicated what experience / knowledge you answers are based on. Len All times above from the 9/11 timeline which was compiled by conspiracist site but based on reports from mainstream media. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...ne&startpos=100

What exactly does it say about me Mike? Where did I label YOU as anti-Semitic?

Piper has worked for a neo-Nazi his entire career and is proud that his works are sold along side Mein Kampf and the Protocol of the Elders of Zion. Did you read his posts on this forum? It's hard for me to believe someone who is not anti-Semitic themselves could have done so and NOT believe that Piper is. He admitted to being a Holocaust denier and admitted being intellectually dishonest. He also promoted Jewish responsibility not just for the JFK assassination but for everything from Watergate and the Lincoln assassination to the pedophile priest scandal and him being ripped off a security deposit. The papers he works for blame Jews for virtually all of America’s and the World’s ills everything from decaying moral standards to the wrong version of the Bible being used in some churches, advertise tours of Nazi related locations in Europe, published a monthly column from an unrepentant Waffen SS general, and even once suggested Hitler should have won the Nobel Peace Prize! When you have some free time Google “Willis Carto” who has been Piper’s boss his entire career.

I've never seen this particular allegation anywhere before. It sounds like another in the long line of myths which permeate anti-Israel propaganda. If someone can provide me with a citation or link, I'll look into it. Try this one: http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/ There's no way it was mistaken identity. Survivors of the Liberty claim there's no way the ship could have been mistaken for an Egyptian fishing boat. Many sites show a comparison between the two--to mistake one for the other is not something the IDF would do. Also, the US flag was flying full mast, for heaven's sake. Why don't you tell the survivors and their families that it was a simple case of mistaken identity. You can reach them online at the above site. The LBJ story has been told before on the Forum and I believe it to be true. No myths, just facts. 1) "No myths, just facts" you say. I wouldn't classify a site, like the one above, that doesn't provide evidence to support most of it's claims as facts. 2) Israelis said they mistook the USS Liberty for an Egyptian military boat NOT a fishing boat. If you consider that the attack happened in the heat of war the ships don't look that different. Especially if were compare them to the airplanes below. The fighter pilots were not calmly comparing photos on their computer screens in the comfort of their homes but flying over a warship that they suspected might have been shelling their forces during a war. The US Navy concluded that the flag was hanging limp due to a lack of wind. The US had told the Israelis it didn't have any ships in the area. Orders from the Pentagon for the Liberty to avoid the area apparently did not reach it util after the incident. http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/evidence/mapsphotos/proportions.gif Cases of mistaken identity and friendly fire attacks are common during war time almost half of the US casualties from the 1st Gulf War were due to friendly fire, there have been several well publicized incidents during the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan such as US attacks on Canadian and American forces one of which killed famous (American) football player Phil Tillman. There is a site dedicated to US friendly fire incidents http://members.aol.com/amerwar/ff/ff.htm Even during peace time cases of mistaken identity have taken place like the infamous shooting down of KAL 007 by Soviet fighters that seemingly mistook the 747 for a USAF RC-135 or when USS Vincennes mistook a climbing Iran Air Airbus 310 for a diving F-14 "Tomcat" KAL 747 http://www.rescue007.org/images/KAL007.jpg vs. USAF RC-135 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/RC-135_takeoff.jpg Iran Air Airbus http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/IranAir300.jpg vs. F-14 "Tom Cat" http://www.jimbrooks.org/web/aviation/full/f-14-3seater.jpg If you are going to back stories like the one about LBJ calling back the fighters you should offer evidence to back your claims. Is it you position that he would let the Israelis sink the ship rather than demand that they call off the attack? A very well documented account of what happened can be found at http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty1.html although I'm sure most members of this forum will balk at the title! The lack of any kind of realistic motive for why Israel would intentionally attack a US military ship and then help rescue its crew and inform the US authorities seriously undermines the case the attack was intentional. Len

Great Jack, You've found an anti-Semitic UFO freak who believes the Holocaust was a hoax and peddles "ESP pills", "mind pills" and "psychic pills" on his website (rense.com) who also believes in "Chemtrails"! Do you really think this helps your case! He also offers anti chemtrails solutions $ 20 ea. for 2 oz. bottles but you need to buy two types*! Don't you think that gives this lunatic/huckster a profit motive for pushing "chemtrail" theories? Yeah, that's a very reputable source you found!! LOL. He doesn't provide any sources to back his claims but hey if Jeff White and Jack Rense, eeer Jeff Rense and Jack White say it's true it must be!! Next thing you'll be quoting Stormfront or the Weekly World News. Jeff Rense - New Age Nazi Conman * http://www.herbalhealer.com/air-pollution.html linked from the top of the Rense homepage notice also all the links back to rense.com on another page they are described as "personally-recommended and endorsed by Jeff Rense" Len PS - Jack, what ever your faults you never cease to amaze and amuse me.

Jack why don't you get one of those inexpensive 1 - 2 MG digicams and leave it in your glove compartment? Some are quite small easily pocketable so you could carry it with you all the time. Another option is a cameraphone. The "chemtrails" you claim to see don't count only the ones you can photograph do. The "I was out to lunch with out my camera" excuse won't due any more, personally I think you're "out to lunch" 24 hours a day but at least you'll have a camera with you. Did it ever occur to you that lunchtime might be a period when there are a greater number of flights over Dallas/Ft. Worth and/or it's a riper time of day for contrails than others? It has already been explained to you that contrails are more likely to form and persist in certain meteorological conditions than others. You do realize that DFW is the 5th or 6th busiest airport in the World don't you? It handles 2300 flights a day (almost a hundred an hour but of course much more at peak hours). http://www.visitdallas.com/visitors/facts.php?cat=2908 and over 59,000,000 passengers a year (an average of over 161,000 a day) World's Busiest Airports 2005 (preliminary) Last update: March 13 2006 Rank City (Airport) Total Passengers % Change 1 ATLANTA, GA (ATL) 85 907 423 2.8 2 CHICAGO, IL (ORD) 76 510 003 1.3 3 LONDON, GB (LHR) 67 915 389 0.8 4 TOKYO, JP (HND) 63 282 219 1.6 5 LOS ANGELES, CA (LAX) 61 485 269 1.3 6 DALLAS/FT WORTH AIRPORT, TX (DFW) 59 064 360 (0.6) http://www.airports.org/cda/aci/display/main/aci_content.jsp?zn=aci&cp=1-5_9_2__ None of these numbers include "over flights" (i.e. flights that fly over your city but don't land there) or flights in and out of Love Field or flights from air force and air reserve bases (there are about 25 in Texas, including at least one in close by Ft. Worth. http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-u-s-air-force-bases. You have yet to respond to the various points that we (Evan, Matthew and I) that cast doubt on your theories. Tell us more about "Operation Parasol" that evil scheme dreamed up Edward "Dr. Strangelove" Teller to end global warming and bring Albanian orphans to Canada. LOL I suggest you immediately don one of these babies the next time you see one those evil "chemtrails"!! Len Jack your posts never cease to be risible!

Au contraire monsieur Ecker!!! I have no agenda nor is this a debating game, I genuinely believe there to be no merit to your theory, even Pat said he believes the attempt was as it appeared to be. Some times lone nuts do assassinate or try to assassinate presidents, presidents-elect or presidential candidates or do you think all the 20 or so incidents going back to the time of Andrew Jackson (1835 IIRC) that were attributed to LN's were conspiracies? You won the debate just because you said you did? LOL Didn't Rove say Bush won the debates? You have yet to show why it's unreasonable that 2 psychos were gunning for Reagan at the same time just as 2 tried to shoot Ford weeks apart in 1975. Nor have you shown that Richardson and Hinckley had any other connection that predates the attempt other than one at some point lived in the same city that the other grew up in. Nor have you explained why them both having lived in Lakewood would have been significant. Those are only a few of the questions you left unanswered. The letter was mailed from a city thousands of miles from where Richardson lived and 238 miles (357 KM) from Lakewood (further than NYC is from Washington or Boston). You say it would be easy to rebutt me, go ahead and try! You unfortunately seem to be emulating Jack's debating style of trying to impugn the motives of those who disagree with you and using that as an excuse not to debate and leave questions unanswered Len

The “sudden cut-off of communications” solved!!! Fetzer of course makes a big deal about the lack of a distress call which he misleadingly calls a “cessation”, “loss” or “cut off” of “communications” and normally throws in adjectives like “abrupt” or “complete” for dramatic effect. This misleadingly gives the impression communication was cut off midsentence or that further communication from the plane was expect which it was not. He says this “cut off” “appears to be” “the key to understanding the crash” and it is the crash’s “most salient feature” (Chapter 5, pgs. 78 – 9 1st Ed.). But all he has is the lack of a distress call. But IF there was a distress call, there is a good chance no one would have heard it. The last communication between Wellstone’s plane and Duluth ATC (air traffic control) was as follows: Michael Guess (co-pilot) 1018:31 –“Left three hundred on the heading and thirty five hundred till established cleared for the VOR runway two seven approach at Eveleth ah four one bravo echo” [i.E. he was confirming the heading given by ATC asking for permission to begin the approach to Eveleth Municipal Airport (EVM).] Duluth ATC 10:19:12 - "King Air one-bravo-echo, change to advisory frequency approved; advise cancellation of IFR with the Princeton flight service when on the ground." [ATC expected no further communication till AFTER the plane had landed, the controller told Guess to “change to advisory frequency” i.e. to EVM’s frequency] Guess 10:19:20 - “Roger that we’ll contact Princeton on the ground four one bravo echo good day” ATC –“Good day” http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2003/Eveleth/Eveleth_Board_Meeting_IIC.pdf pgs. 11 - 14 That was the last communication between the Duluth tower and the plane but not the last communication from the plane (as Fetzer leads his readers to believe). Guess (or Conry) as directed by ATC and SOP switched to Eveleth’s frequency and “made a normal and routine radio contact (with Gary Ulman the airport’s general manager). He was about seven miles* out from the airport and checked for clearance to land. There was nothing unusual about their request; no note of alarm in their voices, he (Ulman) said. Ulman then went outside to “move some planes around and do some chores.” He was gone several minutes and when he went back inside the Duluth airport tower was calling about” the Wellstone plane which was long over due. Ulman “was working a one-man shift” http://www.grandrapids-mn.com/placed/index.php?story_id=123600&view=text “As he walked back to the hangar, Ulman heard a pinging sound over the airport's sound system, an indication that the pilot had used a remote-control device to turn up the runway lights in preparation for landing.” http://www.startribune.com/stories/1608/3391866.html Ulman, the only person at the airport to whose frequency the plane’s radio was tuned to, was outside at the time of the crash and thus is unlikely to have heard an SOS IF one had been made. I said IF one had been made because, as I pointed out on in a previous post, it is common for there to be no distress calls before crashes involving stalls even when there are 3 pilots more experienced and qualified that Conry in the cockpit. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=4542&view=findpost&p=39616 Len *Presumably Guess (or Conry) told Ulman they were 7 miles out, this corresponds with their position when Guess signed off from Duluth. [see the NTSB link above pg. 15]

The letter could have written by Richardson because the wording was similar but the FBI determined he was in his parents house hear Philly and the letter to Swaggart was sent from Grand Junction Colorado a few thousand miles away. It does not seem unreasonable that there were 2 nutjobs with a hard on for Ronnie just as a few years earlier 2 women tried to shoot Ford. The biggest coincidences happened after Reagan was shot (i.e. Richardson becoming obsessed with Jodie Foster and staying at the same hotel). Before that all you got is that 2 losers who at some point lived in the same Denver suburb thought about killing Ronnie. It is not known if they lived in that city at the same time, knew any of the same people or had any connection with each other. How would having lived in the same town been a factor in choosing a patsy. Senario 1 Richardson wrote the letter he left his parents' home in Pennsylvania and travelled for reasons unlnown to Grand Junction a few days before the shooting. After the shooting he identifies with Hinckley the both want to kill "the Gipper" and both lived in Lakewood. A few week after the attempt he decides to emulate his hero and goes to the same hotel and sends a letter to the same actress Senario 2 Richardson didn't write the letter the language is coincidental or the text of Swaggart letter had been reported somewhere. It was recieved on the day of the attempt this is not unreasonable. The rest same as above he identified with Hickley the common tie of Lakewood possibly being a factor, he then decides to emulate his new role model and goes to New Haven What is your theory that Richard had been programmed and then "threw a circut" his behaviour didn't make sense for a would be assassin. I noticed neither you nor Jack tackled the part about the Hinckley's sacrificing their own son to make "Poppa Doc" Bush POTUS. Another question if they had Richardson why use Hickley? And why would they program two MC's with the same obsession? It would increase the chance for a screw-up Len

1) Richardson did not look that much like Hinckley, Why would that be important to the conspiracy. No evidence of the same MO. 2) Lots of psyco-losers were obsessed with Jodie Foster after Taxi Driver, two twin brothers from my school were too. One is dead, both spent a lot of time behind bars. 3) It sound like he only talked about killing "the Gipper" AFTER Hinckley shot him. He said in his letter to her, which was sent AFTER the shooting that Hinclley told him to do it. 4) If he was obsessed with Jodie Foster it makes sense he also would have visited New Haven, stalkers like to be close to the objects of there infatuation the hotel was probably one of the closest ones to where she lived. Also it sound like he only stayed at the hotel after the shooting it's quite possible that it was reported in the press that Hinckley had stayed there. 5) It is odd that Richardson also lived in Lakewood but coincidences DO happen. Foed was shot at by 2 women using handguns while out on the street in central California 2 weeks (OK 17 days) apart. These are the only 2 cases of female assassins/attempted assaisins of presidents, vice- presidents, presidents-elect or presidential candidates in the US. Both women had been part of iconic late 60s/early 70s violent counter culture groups (the Manson Family and the SLA) 6) After incidents like this it's not uncommon to have copy cats one nut job obssesed with Foster inspired another. It's possible that Richardson was inspired by the fact he had lived in the same city as his new hero. 7) There is no evididence Richardson was obssed with Reagan or Foster before the attempt.

This also makes it sound like Reagan could not have been shot from outside the car.

I couldn't find any contemporary accounts, I don't have endless time to xxxxx the Net but your own source says a bullet was removed from Reagan's chest "Reagan was wounded under the left arm, just under the arm pit, by a bullet which had ricocheted and flattened to the size of a dime." [ http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/hinckley.htm ] So MAYBE I was wrong about the bullet being ballisticaly matched to Hinckley's gun. Can you come up with a citation from a reliable source saying what was removed from Reagan's chest was not identifiable as a bullet and couldn't be matched to the gun? Maybe if you can't you shouldn't "shoot your mouth off". I did precede that point with an IIRC which indicated I wasn't sure and it was only a post on an Internet forum – compare this with your buddy Fetzer who stated unequivocally that Hinckley's father (John Sr.) was the one arrested at the airport with the guns. I can't believe anybody who was adult in the US at the time of the attempt could have misremembered that Hinckley's previous arrest at the airport Carter was arriving at was widely reported. Also it's unfathomable to me that someone who claims to be a serious assassination researcher and scholar could claim in a book that Hinckley Sr. had been arrested at the airport without bothering to verify that information. (Jack try and address this point) If it's your word against his I'm inclined to believe Gary as to what he believed at the time. He use the word "may in the title and in the 1st sentance of the article. While a video editor is more qualified than a lay person to analyze video images he is by no means a qualified video analyst just as a photographer with no additional training doesn't qualify as a photoanalst. Please show us these stills for evaluation. Since even according to you the still was taken AFTER the shot was fired it proves nothing. I'd like to see this still also. Reagan thought Parr had broken his rib when pushing him into the limo. He later recalled: According to other accounts he used less diplomatic language: see above provide a citation. 1) citation? 2) stills 3) it's quite possible that Reagan waved with one arm just after leaving the hotel and the other one while entering the car - is that TOO COMPLEX for you to understand? ROTFTMAO!!! - Take your own advice Jack when you mouth off about the Moon! You should tell that to Fetzer too! LOL

Jack, Easier said than done. How does one see The Continuing Inquiry? I would love to be able to read all the old issues. Ron Soon the Penn Jones Collection at Baylor University will have them all online. They still are missing a few copies which I am trying to help them get. Try Googling PENN JONES COLLECTION BAYLOR. Jack There are a few problems with your and Gary’s analysis: 1) Gary said that Hinckley’s six shots could clearly be heard but the “7th” shot it seems can only be heard on close inspection. People study forensic audio analysis for years and even so the experts don’t agree (think of the dictabelt tape). You don’t have any training professional or demonstrable experience or expertise in the subject nor do Tom Davis, the bookstore owner, or Gary AFAIK. You have years of experience as a photographer and your photo-analysis is very questionable, imagine audio a field in which you have little or no experience. One also wonders why they wouldn’t have equipped the 2nd gunman with a silencer. 2) You and Gary said you analyzed the stills of the moments of the 6 shots, once again neither of you have any proven experience or expertise in the field. Your ignorance of photogrammetry is of course infamous. I don’t know how you expect us to believe you could determine the paths of the bullets, again this is a subject for people who have years of experience not for ammeters. Reagan was believed to have been hit by the sixth shot so discounting the first 5 is of little value. I can’t criticize what I haven’t seen so please post the page with your analysis of the 6th and “7th” shots. Reagan it should be noted did not realize he’d been shot till he was in the limo. It’s not uncommon for people not to notice they’ve been injured during moments of extreme stress until after things have calmed down. One also wonders if they had set up this elaborate plot why they hadn’t trained Hinckley to shoot better, he shot six times from close range and you would have us believe never hit his target. 3) As for the rest of the evidence it proves little: a) please provide the texts of Lesley Stahl and Judy Woodruff saying there was a 2nd shooter. the images of the man on the terrace prove little, there is no sign he has a gun, who was he - a SS agent, a guest at the hotel? It makes little sense that they would have arranged this elaborate plot and used a 2nd shooter in plain sight. c) nor does the spectators pointing up at the terrace prove much it’s normal for witnesses to give varying accounts of an event (the Rashomon effect) did any of them say the heard or saw a shooter? The president had been shot, they saw someone on a terrace, they ponted at him. If there was any indication he or someone else had shot why didn’t any of the cops or SS agents do anything? Since one SS agent took a bullet for the president and another pushed him to safety in the limo it’s had to believe they were “in on it”. 4) AFAIK, there are no witnesses who say the heard or saw a 2nd shooter. 5) IIRC all the bullets including the one from Reagan’s chest were shown to have been shot from the Hinckley’s gun. 6) This theory supposes that the Hinckley family set up John Jr. their son/brother up as a patsy to spend the rest of his life in prison or a mental hospital in order to make their friend George H.W. Bush president so as to avoid paying having their company pay a $ 2 million fine. How much did they spend for his legal defense? How much have they spent to keep him in a private mental hospital for the last 25 years? How much more will they spend until de dies? Those expenses aside why would a wealthy family “sell out” their own son/brother to avoid paying (for them) such a relatively small fine? Also the fine was only threatened, is there any evidence of any impropriety in it not being levied. I’m not even sure Vanderbilt Oil HAD been threatened with the legendary fine. I have not seen it mentioned by any reliable sources. LOL - I just got an e-mail from Gary LOL

"The Day the Music Died" was about bthe plane crash that killed Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and the "Big Bopper^ and had nothing to do with the assassination nor does "Waves of Grain"

LOL - Are you so embarrassed by your cohort's stupid mistake that you want to change the subject. His mistake was in identifying which John Hinckley was arrested at the airport Carter was arriving at in 1980 NOT who shot Reagan a few months later. And all due respect to Gary aside, I find his analysis in this case rather unconvincing. Len

Fetzer suspects Bush was behind the attempt on Reagan and that members of the Hinckley family set John Hinckley JR. up to be a 'Manchurian candidate". In support of this in book on the Wellstone crash, "American Assassination" he wrote on page 68 (1st edition, chap. 4, "poisonous precedents" section), "John Hinckley SR., a major a major Bush campaign contributor, was arrested in 1980 for possessing a .38 caliber pistol, two .22 caliber handguns and fifty round of ammunition. His son John Hinckley JR…". Just like most of the assertions in the book NO source is provided LOL!!!! Ummmmm, excuse me Mr. PhD. "scholar" but it was John Jr., the son who shot Reagan, not John Sr. the "Bush campaign contributor" who was arrested at the Nashville airport with all those guns. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/reagan/peopleevents/pande02.html http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/assassins/john_hinckley/4.html http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20031123-111641-7935r.htm http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE3DF1E39F936A35757C0A967948260&sec=health&pagewanted=print Of course this doesn't have anything to do with the Wellstone crash or the authenticity of the Zapruder film etc but it just goes to show how Fetzer is totally unreliable and shoddy his research is

The Stones were recording Beggars Banquet in LA when Bobby was assassinated, the line in “Sympathy for the Devil” originally was “I shouted out who killed John Kennedy” but they changed due to what happened in the Ambassador hotel. There is the Misfits song “Bullet” http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/misfits/94118.html whose lyrics would probably offend many members of this forum and “November 22, 1963” by the Detroit band Destroy All Monsters (not to be confused with other bands with the same name, this is the one Ron Ashton of the Stooges was in). Someone compiled a list of songs about JFK http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcon...?strMixID=89943 Hasil Adkins, the one man band Rockabilly legend, wrote and recorded a song about Kennedy which he played for me when I visited him. I don’t know if it was ever released. I’ll take a look at the video I shot and give you more info, just can’t say when. http://www.roctober.com/roctober/hasiladkins.html Also there was a musical called “Assassins”, I think LHO and Sirhan were characters. You could try searching the “All Music Guide” http://www.allmusic.com/ and similar databases or better yet the various lyrics sites out there on the Net. Len

Superreporter, faster than a speeding FBI agent!!! On page 50 of the 1st edition (Ch. 3 “Crash Scene Wreckage” section), recounts with out attribution (just as most of the information in the book is not sourced) that reporters and a camera crew from a Twin Cities TV station made it to “the [Eveleth] airport 90 minutes from the time they first received the news”. Ironically 32 pages later he concludes after rather specious analysis that it would have taken FBI “agents at the very least 2:32 minutes to make their trip”* from there office to the crash site. Fetzer of course will hem and haw and point out that the folks KSTP flew to Hibbing while the FBI supposedly flew to Duluth (which is about 20 minutes further from Eveleth than Hibbing) and that the reporters went to the airport rather than the crash site**. This is not enough to explain the discrepancy. According to Fetzer it would have taken the FBI 92 minutes to get from their offices in Minneapolis to their rental car in Duluth, 2 minutes longer than it took the TV crew to get to Eveleth via Hibbing even though that town is (about 30 miles as the bird flies) further from the Twin Cities than Duluth! According to Yahoo maps it takes over 30 minutes to get from Hibbing to Eveleth (http://maps.yahoo.com/dd_result?newaddr=&t...y=us&terr=-1001 ) so it must have taken the FBI about half an hour longer to get to a closer airport, even though as Fetzer correctly points out FBI agents should be able to get in and out of airports and planes faster than private citizens What remains unsettled is if Minneapolis agents even flew to Duluth. At first Fetzer made it seem that Herr Bollyn said they did, “As Christopher Bollyn discovered, these special agents were from the Twin Cities, not from Duluth, even though they had driven to Eveleth from Duluth using cars they had rented there.”* then when called on it on the Yahoo forum, he claimed he got the info from a secret source (as opposed to a secret sauce!!! LOL). Oddly this source couldn’t give him any specifics (how many agent flew to Duluth, their names, how they got there (private, chartered or scheduled flight), what time they got there, what time they left, how many cars they rented, from what company etc. Nor does he explain why they would have taken such a “Rube Goldbergian” route when they could have driven up in their own cars in less time. * He gave the same account in an article for the Reader: http://www.assassinationscience.com/fbicoverup.pdf ** According to Fetzer (see linked article above) it would have taken at least 10 minutes to get from the side of the road to the crash site.

Fetzer slanders the Wellstone family . On page 100 of American Assassination (1st edition, chapter 6 – "Pilot Error" section) Fetzer wrote, "The conclusion of the NTSB was that pilot error caused the crash. The local mainstream media and the Wellstone family also agreed with this, at least in public. In the case of the family, they had to, in order to successfully sue the charter company." Thus he insinuates that Wellstone's next of kin remained quiet about their suspicions about the crash in order to fraudulently get money from Aviation Charter. Selling out a murdered loved one in order to sue an innocent party is about as morally corrupt as a person can get; odd that Fetzer could think that Paul and Sheila Wellstone's sons could be so low. Another problem with this is that he offers no evidence that they suspected foul play. Fetzer, as Joseph Welch asked Joe McCarthy, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

That is very unlikely to ever happen, he has been avoiding addressing the issues since I showed up here and LONG before that from the looks of it (the older posts I went over). If you are waiting for a straight answer from "Reno Dave" you'd best be patient!!

A pseudo-scientist did such a study. Most real scientists would scoff at the idea that such low dosages chemicals sprayed from such high altitudes would have much effect on people, plants or animals by the time they reached the ground or that they would be targetablebecause they would "land" in unpredictable locations far from where the were being sprayed. In all the supposed photos of chemtrails I've never seen any signs the chemicals were falling to earth. White is proposing that chemtrails are supposed to be some sort of anti-global warming messure which doesn't make sense for reasons I spelled out in a earlier message. Blowing smoke is more like it!!!!! LOL Sorry I didn't know you were waiting on me!!!

I never like the Bushes (or all but a small handful of republicans) and opposed the invasion of Iraqi but the comparisson to Bagdad Bob was apt. [it had nothing to do with your military service David, if so I imagine he would have called you "Saigon Dave"]. Some famous quotes from "Bagdad Bob" Attempting to Acknowledge What Was Happening Militarily Beyond Baghdad: March 22, 2003 "Maybe they will enter Umm Qasr and Basra, but how will they enter Baghdad? It will be a big oven for them. They can penetrate our borders but they cannot reach Baghdad. They will try to pull our army and troops out but we are well aware of their plans and they will fail." March 23, 2003 "In Umm Qasr, the fighting is fierce and we have inflicted many damages. The stupid enemy, the Americans and British, failed completely. They're not making any penetration." As Televised Reports of U.S. Forces Approaching the Outskirts of Western Baghdad Are Shown: "They are not any place. They are on the move everywhere. They are a snake moving in the desert. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion." After U.S. Forces Seized Baghdad's Airport: "We butchered the force present at the airport. We have retaken the airport! There are no Americans there!" After U.S. Troops Penetrated Central Baghdad: April 5, 2003 "Nobody came here. Those America losers, I think their repeated frequent lies are bringing them down very rapidly.... Baghdad is secure, is safe." April 5, 2003 "They are not near Baghdad. Don't believe them.... They said they entered with... tanks in the middle of the capital. They claim that they - I tell you, I... that this speech is too far from the reality. It is a part of this sickness of their plan. There is no an... - no any existence to the American troops or for the troops in Baghdad at all." April 6, 2003 "Whenever we attack, they retreat. When we pound them with missiles and heavy artillery, they retreat even deeper. But when we stopped pounding, they pushed to the airport for propaganda purposes." April 7, 2003 "The Americans are not there. They're not in Baghdad. There are no troops there. Never. They're not at all." April 7, 2003 "U.S. forces learned a lesson last night they will never forget. We slaughtered them and will continue to slaughter them." April 7, 2003 "There is no presence of American infidels in the city of Baghdad." With Media Pictures of U.S. Troops Being Shown Standing Under the Giant Crossed Swords in Saddam's Favorite Parade Grounds in Baghdad, While Giving a Press Briefing Around the Corner: "There you can see, there is nothing going on." After U.S. Missiles Destroyed His Office in the Information Ministry and He was Forced to Give Press Briefings on the Street: "They will be burnt. We are going to tackle them." Disputing His Own Assertions of No Coalition Troops in Baghdad: "We blocked them inside the city. Their rear is blocked.... They pushed a few of their armored carriers and some tanks with their soldiers. We besieged them and I think we will finish them soon." While American Soldiers Are Showering in Saddam's Bathroom Nearby Presidential Palace: "We have killed most of the [coalition] infidels, and I think we will finish off the rest soon." After Being Shown Footage of Iraqi Soldiers Surrendering: "Those are not Iraqi soldiers at all." April 7, 2003 "This invasion will end in failure." LOL Len

And there has been found to be noticable traces of it in rainwater! I think it should be banned! Unfortunately there are a lot of stupid people out their who probably take that site seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't cause a few people to write (or e-mail) their congressmen or if Jack White cites it someday!!