Ashton Gray

Heh. Hiya, Dan. Yeah, I guess that's where they left it. Guess that's where we all oughta' leave it, too, huh? "Case closed." Heh. But, you know me: I just never can seem to leave well enough alone. I need to chew things over a bit and cogitate on them, get all the juice out of 'em. So, if you would be so kind, indulge me while I do a little "CIA Issuance Parsing 101." Follow along in your hymnal for a moment, and let's you and me review exactly was said in the document at issue—with just a smidge of Ashton-induced emphasis added—and let's formulate a little "CIA Ooze Comprehension Quiz": PART ONE "A review of Mr. Moore's Office of Security file confirmed his assignment to Dallas but did not disclose any evidence of his having traveled to Mexico for any purpose during his assignment in Texas." Hmmm. Now, let me pull me grey beard here and ponder what was said. If anything. Here's your quiz on PART ONE: 1. Was Mr. Moore's "Office of Security" file complete at the time of review by the author of the document? (Please answer yes or no.) 2. Is there any reason to expect that Mr. Moore's "Office of Security" file would contain "any evidence" of a CIA black operation into Mexico? (Please answer yes or no.) 3. Is "Mr. Moore's Office of Security file" the only place in the entirety of CIA where any record might be of felonious money laundering or international crimes that may, or may not, have been engaged in by Mr. Moore on behalf of the CIA, whether in Mexico or elsewhere? (Please answer yes or no. Or, you may reach down and slap the lower right hand drawer of your desk in pantomime, a la Magruder with Liddy, if you feel so compelled.) 4. Might Mr. Moore have "acted as a courier to bring money or checks into Mexico" at some time other than "during his asssignment in Texas"—say, perhaps, arguendo, "during his assignment to bring money or checks into Mexico"? (Please answer yes or no—or just shrug.) Moving along... PART TWO "Based on the limited information supplied in referenced memorandum, additional research into this matter through Office of Security records is not possible." Ahhhh, yes. Yes. There you have it. With a ring of great authority. So there's just one question to the quiz on PART TWO for you, Dan: 1. So, is the "case closed," Danny, me boy? (Please answer yes or no.) Good to see you, Dan. Ashton

I don't think you've overstated the situation regarding Gates, or could. The boy has been lurking at CIA for a very long time indeed, since 1966, spending eight years there in the conveniently impalpable role of "intelligence analyst." It appears (not entirely confirmed) that his starting in that job coincided, at least approximately, with a curious flight of E. Howard Hunt from Madrid, Spain to Washington, D.C. for a three-day stay, then back to Madrid. This during Hunt's still-mysterious year spent, purportedly, in Spain, having been "officially" severed from CIA just prior to his traveling there with his family in tow. Gates was in this nebulous low-key "intelligence analyst" role in CIA for a very long time—through everything having to do with two of the CIA's most epic public frauds: the Pentagon Papers and Watergate. Then Gates curiously "left" CIA to become part of the National Security Council staff in 1974, the same year that CIA issued a joint contract—Office of Technical Services Contract, FAN 4125-4099; Office of Research and Development Contract, FAN 4162-8103; 1 February 1974 (CONFIDENTIAL)—which ramped up their top-secret "remote viewing" program that had been running secretly since 1 October 1972, the new contracts being issued "on the premise that the phenomena associated with remote viewing exist; the objective is to develop and utilize them." (The 1972 inception of this program, and its inextricable and inexplicable "joined-at-the-hip" relationship to the CIA's Watergate hoax has been covered in some detail in the R. Spencer Oliver thread in the Watergate forum. As you have so carefully documented, Gates was in very high intelligence positions throughout almost the entire 25+ year life of that top-secret CIA-DIA program, positions in which he had to be privy to it.) CIA's site says that Gates "returned" to CIA from the NSC staff "in late 1979," but gives no indication at all of what position he held at CIA upon his return. (Not naming any position is even more fuzzy than "intelligence analyst." Great work if you can get it.) So from "late 1979" until some time in 1981—when he becomes "Director, DCI/DDCI Executive Staff CIA," Gates is an unperson in CIA. I believe that the Bush dynasty is circling the wagons. I believe that the cadre of loyalists who know a lot of very dirty secrets going back a very long time, and who have been willing to keep their mouths shut (or intimidated into keeping their mouths shut, or having their mouths shut for them) is shrinking at an alarming rate. I believe these are the days of miracle and wonder. And don't cry, baby, don't cry. Ashton

As always, Bernice. Thanks! Ashton

Hey, Chuck. There are so many variables in such a "game of inches" that I just wanted to get some kind of rough idea of whether it was in the ballpark. Looks in the ballpark to me. If the car were further "up the hill," toward the Dal-Tex, or if the cone location should be a little closer to the railway overpass, or... I'm sure you see what I mean. I didn't save the cone/car configuration. If I get some time to put them back in and play around again I'll see what's what, but there are still question marks in that model about the plaza elevations, so at this stage of its existence it just is not a tool to use for calibrated exactness. Even allowing for fudge factors, though, it still looks in the ballpark to me. Ashton

I used your pointy pointers as a basis to place a bright magenta cone in the Dealey 3D model about where it looked like the bullet scar should be, then I put a generic "car" at what seemed like a reasonable place on Elm, then "looked" through the Dal-Tex window your pointy pointer was pointing to. Here are two slightly different shots (pardon any painful pun) from there, the second one closer up to the window: Ashton

McCloy seems to have had extraordinary prescience about the creation of the CIA, since he masterminded the extraction and sub rosa preservation from the doomed OSS of the very units and personnel that would turn in their uniforms for suits and slink off into the world under, literally, the cloak and dagger that Truman passed to Admiral Souers on 24 January 1946 as the first Director of Central Intelligence—then heading the Central Intelligence Group (CIG), soon to be rechristened as CIA. According to Mae Brussell, when the war ended, McCloy had helped hide and shield Klaus Barbie—"butcher of Lyons"—and other fun goosesteppers from the French, aided and abetted by one Private Henry Kissinger of the 370th Counter Intelligence Corps at Obergammergau. McCloy's Georgetown Set cronies around 1947 of course included Frank Wisner, Richard Bissell, Desmond FitzGerald, Tracy Barnes, Clark Clifford, Walt Rostow, Eugene Rostow, Cord Meyer, James Angleton, Allen W. Dulles, and Paul Nitze. Not only do so many of these names swirl like tornado debris around the Kennedy assassination, but fling themselves forward into the CIA's "Pentagon Papers" op that set up the CIA's "Watergate" fraud. Bissell in 1954 stepped away from the Ford Foundation to become "special assistant" to Allen Dulles, and McCloy stepped in, becoming its new president. Having been Assistant Secretary of War, president of the World Bank, High Commissioner of occupied Germany, chairman of Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan Bank, and Wall Street attorney for the "seven sisters" oil companies, McCloy knew where all the bodies were buried. He wasted no time dolling up the Ford Foundation to be CIA's mistress, setting up an administrative unit specifically to deal with CIA, and heading a three-man "consultation committee" with CIA that provided a conduit cover for funds. Although there's much more that could be said about Mr. McCloy and his intimate relationship with CIA (hey, who's your daddy?), perhaps for now this is a windy enough way of saying: "You might be onto something." Ashton Gray

23 December 1913. Ashton

Hi, JG. It seems like you've been a forum MIA almost as long as I have. I hope my post is not misinterpreted as any sort of condemnation of John or anyone associated with these forums, or questioning of their motives in providing, or in the administration of this forum, because it is not that in any part or portion. Nor do I question for a moment John's courage, not only in helping to expose inequities and injustices and, bluntly, crimes, but in his demonstrated willingness to put himself on the line in candid statement of his own views and positions. In debate, sometimes it's necessary to give as one gets, but rancor or contempt need not be—and should not be—at work, no matter how divisive issues might be. In fact, I see no point ever in debating anyone for whom one has a lack of respect. Terence was a fine teacher: "Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto." [i am a man; nothing human is alien to me.] Sometimes, though, as an augmentation to such a noble truth, I think we all can be served well by recalling the humbling words of Hamlet—penned by a later playwright, and still true in any language: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Ashton

Hi Michael. Thanks. I've missed it. I'm sure others were celebrating. I've just received from an unexpected source a fresh infusion of timeline data, which currently is being put through some Rube Goldberg Text Mangling Machine to transform it into the database format, and I'm expecting to get that posted sometime in the next week or so. Ashton

To add to The McCone File, one anomaly in the record is McCone's attendance as "DCI" of two critical and pivotal meetings on 21 and 22 November 1961, contrasted to official CIA records, which claim that McCone did not become DCI until a week later, on 29 November 1961. Here is a record of the two meetings—a document from CIA Director McCone, with notes and sources: ===============BEGIN DOCUMENT=============== Memorandum for the Record Washington, November 22, 1961. //Source: Central Intelligence Agency, DCI (McCone) Files: Job 80-B01285A, Box 5, DCI (McCone), Caribbean Survey Group. Secret; Eyes Only. Drafted by McCone. Monday, November 20, 1961, 7:00 pm, President Kennedy called personally and asked that I meet with him and Attorney General Robert Kennedy at 4:30 pm the following day. The meeting was held for the purpose of discussing all possible courses of action in Cuba. Present were: The President Robert Kennedy General Lansdale Mr. Goodwin of the White House staff. The President explained that General Lansdale had been engaging in a study of possible action in Cuba, acting under the direction of the Attorney General, and he, the President, desired an immediate plan of action which could be submitted to him within two weeks. The Attorney General expressed grave concern over Cuba, the necessity for immediate dynamic action, indicating that such action would embody a variety of covert operations, propaganda, all possible actions that would create dissensions within Cuba and would discredit the Castro regime, and political action with members of the OAS in support of the action. He proposed that the Lansdale committee be made up of representatives of CIA, State, USIA and DOD (Lansdale) and that it be organized so that this committee could "cut across" organization channels within the agencies. McCone's views were solicited and he stated: a ) That he observed that the Agency and indeed the Administration appeared to be in a condition of "shock" as a result of the happenings in Cuba and, therefore, were doing very little. He supported dynamic action but emphasized that action should not be reckless. b ) He supported the Lansdale committee concept. c ) This committee should report to the "5412" group, which he stated was properly organized, met regularly, had senior representation, and was a proper unit to give political guidance to the Lansdale committee and also to evaluate action proposals of the committee. d ) He proposed that the facilities of all Departments of Government and the CIA be made available to the extent needed, but these facilities be maintained "in place" and that under no circumstances should an attempt be made to "lift" elements of departments or agencies out of their "in place" position and placed under the Lansdale group. He explained that the resources or assets of the departments and the CIA were most extensive and depended upon support, logistics, communications, etc. which were an integral part of the departments and agencies, and if an attempt was made to "lift" certain activities, these activities could not properly function because of lack of support and communication. The above points seemed to be generally agreed, and it was decided that Robert Kennedy would attend the "5412" committee on Wednesday, November 22nd, to discuss the plan. McCone advised Robert Kennedy his plans to leave Washington for a few days and offered to revise his travel plans if necessary, but Kennedy felt this not necessary. The above was discussed in considerably more detail between General Lansdale and McCone in the President's office after the meeting. Lansdale confirmed the possibility that he would be required to go to South Viet Nam as a Special Advisor to President Diem and, therefore, might be available for only two or three weeks. It was therefore obvious that he must be backed up by a very able officer who can take over if Lansdale leaves. Lansdale then proposed that Mr. James Critchfield be the CIA man on his committee, indicating that Critchfield was a most able and experienced officer. On Wednesday, November 22nd, all of the above was reviewed at a meeting in Mr. Dulles' office, attended by Mr. Dulles, General Cabell, Mr. Bissell, Mr. Helms, Mr. Kirkpatrick and Mr. McCone. There was general agreement on all the points mentioned above. Mr. Bissell proposed alternate names to Critchfield, feeling Critchfield could not easily be spared from his present responsibilities. McCone urged that the most able man available be placed at Lansdale's disposal, even at some inconvenience to other operations because in all probability this man, if he won the confidence of the "5412" committee, the Attorney General and the President, would have to fill Lansdale's responsibilities when Lansdale left. McCone left the meeting with the question of the individual unresolved. ===============END DOCUMENT=============== This document also raises questions concerning a notion of seeming popularity that going after Castro was some Robert Kennedy hobby horse that was somehow distanced from President John Kennedy. All that is fodder for another thread, but it is curious that the CIA puts McCone's ascent to DCI a full week later than these records show. (Now one would expect to see follow in this thread some proffered "reasonable explanations".) Ashton

But, Dawn, he does so very well when arguing with his own delusions. And, really, he just falls pretty flat on his red face when forced to stick to real facts. Don't take his only toy away from him. My disdain for Nixon is in the record. Speer just has to make up things to talk about, that's all, because he can't address the actual facts. It's sort of like his having an imaginary friend. Ashton

John, I didn't mean to slight you by being so long in replying. This exchange began in unfortunate coincidence with a pending move, and that move conspired with a concatention of circumstances that of need have kept me away from gathering at the forums for these past many weeks, and will to a degree for some time still. But I have carved out some time to pick this back up for the moment—long enough to respond as follows Exactly. Good. Thanks for the stipulation. We agree on that, and at least we've gotten that far. And we've established that two electronic sweeps book-ending the night of 16-17 June 1972—the first sweep done by the phone company and the second by police and FBI—determined that there were no electronic bugs in the DNC offices before or after the night of 16-17 June 1972—when the "burglars" were "caught." Therefore it is patently impossible that any bugs were planted during any prior purported break-in on Memorial Day weekend 1972. Ex dolo malo non oritur actio. The above evidence requires no "interpretation." There's nothing to interpret. Two sweeps found no bugs. What's to "interpret"? There were no bugs installed in the DNC. It's inarguable. Ipso facto, all the "testimony" regarding such alleged bugs having been installed over Memorial Day weekend 1972 is, and only can be, a pack of lies. No other rational conclusion is possible. "Interpretation" of facts not in evidence is "interpretation" of fantasy. I would gladly entertain any motivation you'd care to present that fits the facts. And the facts say there were no bugs. The fool's game, of course, is to try to alter the facts to fit some manufactured "motivation." Do you have a motivation you'd care to put forward that is consistent with facts, or are you trying to take a pack of unsubstantiated lies supplied by the perps, and through some alchemy transmute them into—or at least peddle them as—"facts" to fit a preconceived "motivation" that you are clinging to? It's not an idle question. It's a pivotal question. If you're doing the latter, then of course you will need lots and lots of "interpretations." Because the facts don't fit. The good news, of course, is that fantasy, by its nature, can be endlessly "interpreted." Hence the lucrative Watergate fiction industry. Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt. Just between us girls, it's my opinion that your own "interpretations" aren't embracing a tithe of the actual facts, and, instead, are selectively embracing only "facts" (however unsubstantiated) that fit your fixed and immutable model. Put another way, you seem to pick and choose among the pieces of the puzzle, selecting only the pieces that appeal to you, or that you hope will make up a picture you want to see. Just personally, I don't find the idee fixé to be a terribly workable approach to effective data analysis. YMMV. That Pat Speer can't make sense of the sensible is to be expected. But, really, John: I would have thought Speer-pointing beneath you. Stripping your sentence above of the gratuitous Speer-pointing, it says: "your proposed motivation of the people involved makes no sense at all." Well, all right: since you've thrown down the gauntlet, I'm going to pick it up, and thereby take this opportunity to bring you up to speed on just how woefully uninformed you are on facts that are absolutely requisite to anything resembling a rational or honest address to "motivation" on the events at issue. I'm going to lay out below relevant incontrovertible facts that I daresay, from your statements, you are almost wholly uninformed of—although that hasn't encumbered your condescension to me on the subject of "motivation." I'm going to spread before you pieces of the puzzle that you may not like at all, and that very well may not fit any picture you'd like to see: facts and relationships of facts that never will be forced, hammered, pounded, or molded into your model of "motivation." Nor will they ever be tucked under the rug as though they don't exist. And when I'm done, if you actually care, then, to embark on a mutually respectful and analytical assessment and discussion of these facts, and even a synthesis of them into something resembling "motivation" that would have a basis in fact rather than fantasy, I would be more than happy to engage you—with the understanding that probity demands address, without exclusion, to all the following facts surrounding, and relevant to, the events at issue: Sunday, 4 June 1972 It is one week to the day after the purported "first break-in" at the Watergate, and the simultaneous disappearance of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard in Morocco over Memorial Day weekend 1972. On this date Ingo Swann—a Scientology OT VII—departs New York City by plane for San Francisco, where he is met by NSA's Hal Puthoff—also a Scientology OT VII—and taken to Stanford Research Institute (SRI). Puthoff has offices at SRI with Russell Targ, who has been working secretly with CIA for some time on developing parapsychology for military intelligence purposes. [NOTE: New York City is the location of the backstopped address set up the previous year by Anthony Ulasewicz under Operation Sandwedge, just blocks from the lab of CIA's Cleve Backster, with whom Swann has been conducting experiments in telekinesis. While noting that Swann's trip to meet with Puthoff and CIA in California comes one week after the purported "first break-in" at the Watergate and the simultaneous disappearance of Hubbard, it must also be noted, in the "amazing coincidences" department, that Swann later will travel to Washington, D.C. one week after the upcoming 17 June "break-in" at the Watergate—in which the CIA-connected perps are "caught" and begin volunteering self-incriminating stories about their whereabouts over Memorial Day weekend (See 24 c. June 1972.)] Tuesday, 6 June 1972 Ingo Swann remotely affects a superconducting magnetometer encased in solid concrete five feet beneath the foundation of the Varian Hall of Physics, Stanford University, causing significant readings on the device's trace charts. The event is witnessed by Dr. Arthur Hebard (sometimes spelled "Hebbard"), Dr. Marshal Lee, and six "doctoral candidates" (allegedly students of Hebard, but including CIA representatives who are involved with Swann, Puthoff, and Targ). Wednesday, 7 June 1972 Puthoff and Swann meet with Willis Harmon, head of a CIA front called "Educational Policy Research Center" with offices at SRI and in Washington, D.C. Thursday, 8 June 1972 Swann meets with CIA-connected psychiatrist and neurosurgeon Shafica Karagulla at the home of William Tiller. Friday, 9 June 1972 Ingo Swann returns to New York City. On the same day John Paul Vann—who earlier had been closely connected in Vietnam with CIA's Lucien Conein, Daniel Ellsberg, and Neil Sheehan (reporter who "leaked" the Pentagon Papers for Ellsberg)—dies in a freakish helicopter crash in Vietnam that involves no enemy engagement. Saturday, 17 June 1972 The "break-in" takes place at the Watergate hotel, in which CIA-connected men are "caught" inside DNC headquarters (although it requires two tapings of an entrance door to effect their getting "caught"). After attorney Douglas Caddy arrives at the D.C. jail (purportedly at the behest of CIA's E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy), CIA's James McCord volunteers to Washington, D.C. policeman Gary Bittenbender: "These are all good men, ex-CIA men." Sweeps of DNC headquarters conducted by FBI and police find no bugs installed. Sunday, 18 June 1972 Kathleen Chenow, who has worked for almost a year with Hunt and Liddy in "Room 16," with scrambled lines to CIA headquarters at Langley, suddenly leaves the United States for a "vacation" in London. On the same day—the very day after the "break-in" carried out by CIA assets—Ingo Swann arrives in Northfield, Minnesota at the "annual retreat" of the Spiritual Frontiers Foundation (SFF). [NOTE: SFF is heavily funded by W. Clement Stone, to whose foundation in Chicago E. Howard Hunt has delivered an envelope of cash, given to him by G. Gordon Liddy, about six weeks earlier.] Monday, 19 June 1972 Martha Mitchell calls a reporter late at night from a private villa of the Hyatt Newporter Hotel at 1107 Jamboree Road in Newport Beach, California. Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray is staying at the same hotel. Martha Mitchell is telling the reporter: "I saw dirty things. I know dirty things." The telephone cord is ripped from the wall. Martha Mitchell is forcefully thrown down onto the bed and forcibly given a shot in the buttocks. [NOTE: She won't be seen or heard from again for over a week, when she surfaces, bruised, in Westchester, New York for a "press conference" just miles from a CIA-connected psychiatric hospital euphemistically referred to as the "Westchester Country Club." Tuesday, 20 June 1972 L. Patrick Gray only now returns to Washington, D.C. from California. The same morning he arrives, it's confirmed that John Dean will be handling all aspects of the Watergate investigation for the White House. That puts John Dean at the White House and L. Patrick Gray at the FBI solely in charge of every aspect of the investigation to follow. Everything that happens regarding the investigation from this point forward is under their dual control. On or around the same day, Bernard Barker receives $17,000 for bail money from E. Howard Hunt's wife, Dorothy Hunt, plus "ten- to twelve-thousand dollars" for "expenses." The same day L. Patrick Gray meets with FBI Special Agents conducting the investigation and they discuss amongst themselves that "there could be a CIA operation involved." The same day G. Gordon Liddy (with "special clearances" from CIA) meets at Fred LaRue's apartment with LaRue and Robert Mardian and weaves a complicated (and completely unsubstantiated) tale of Liddy and Hunt having been involved with breaking into Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office, interfering with Dita Beard, and having allegedly broken into the DNC on Memorial Day weekend. [NOTE: Robert Mardian is the person who had approached Liddy in December of 1970—shortly after both E. Howard Hunt and James McCord had "retired" from CIA—and asked Liddy to take a position Mardian described as "super confidential." Within six months of the Mardian offer, Liddy was in "the Plumbers" unit inside the White House staff with Hunt, both working with NSA's David Young. Hal Puthoff also is from NSA.] Wednesday, 21 June 1972 E. Howard Hunt has flown first to New York, stayed overnight, and flown from there to Los Angeles, California. He is staying at the L.A. home of "former" CIA operative Morton B. "Tony" Jackson. G. Gordon Liddy—who has "special clearances" from CIA—flies to L.A. and meets with Hunt and Jackson. On the same day, Judge Charles Richey has been assigned to hear a civil suit filed by the Democratic National Committee against the Committee to Re-Elect the President Watergate. [NOTE: Within a few years, Charles Richey will be the federal judge who throws out Scientology Guardian Office Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and conspiracy cases naming the FBI, the Director of the FBI, the Attorney General, the CIA, the Director of Central Intelligence, the Director of the National Security Agency (NSA), the Secretary of the Treasury, and the Secretary of the Army. Ritchey will go on later to preside over the criminal trial of Mary Sue Hubbard and 10 members of Scientology's Guardian's Office who are accused of stealing federal documents, and subsequently sentenced to prison. House Majority Leader Hale Boggs is Vice Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.] Thursday, 22 June 1972 The FBI interviews Charles Colson and ostensibly come away with the belief that Watergate is "a CIA thing." Acting FBI Director Gray calls CIA Director Richard Helms and purportedly says, "I think we've run right into the middle of a CIA covert operation." Helms asserts emphatically, "there is no CIA involvement." But Helms also makes a very strange and ambiguous "request" to Gray: "not to interview the two CIA men" (unnamed). Gray immediately issues the order to his Special Agents in charge of the Watergate investigation, telling SA Bates: "there was some CIA involvement here," and that "we should proceed very gingerly and very discreetly and carry out the investigation at the Banco Internationale, and also continue to try to trace these checks through the correspondent banks, but to hold off interviewing Mr. Ogarrio"—the Mexican lawyer through which part of the money found on Watergate burglars had come. Ken Dahlberg, source of the rest of the money, is also obliquely and ambiguously included in this hold-off. After his discussion with Richard Helms and the issuances of his orders, L. Patrick Gray has a late-evening private meeting with John Dean.[NOTE: The contradictions and conflicts in the accounts of this "possible CIA involvement" phase, and the ambiguity of the reference to a rigorously unidentified pair, "two CIA men," has no equal in all the rest of Watergate—which is saying a lot. It is literally impossible to catalog all the contradictions here, but this note is to mark this extraordinary vortex of confusion, particularly about an alleged pair of "two CIA men," when in fact all the perps involved in the break-in could be described as "CIA men."] Friday, 23 June 1972 Acting FBI Diretor L. Patrick Gray receives an airgram from the Legal Attaché Copenhagen with the subject "L. Ron Hubbard." It encloses other airgrams captioned "The Church of Scientology in Denmark" (one of the few locations in the world at the time where the Scientology "OT Levels" are delivered). Richard M. Nixon has a breakfast meeting with House Minority Leader Gerald Ford and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs—both of whom had been members of the Warren Commission. Ford is a prominent member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee. Boggs is Vice Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Later the same morning, H.R. Haldeman, after hearing from Dean (who had met with Gray the night before) briefs Nixon. Haldeman says specifically: "the way to handle this now is for us to have [Deputy CIA Director Vernon] Walters call Pat Gray and just say, 'Stay the hell out of this...this is ah, business here we don't want you to go any further on it.' That's not an unusual development...and, uh, that would take care of it. ...Pat [Gray] does want to. He doesn't know how to, and he doesn't have, he doesn't have any basis for doing it. Given this, he will then have the basis." Nixon seizes on this "idea" (which had been laundered through Dean and Haldeman) and orders it. Later that morning, CIA's Director Richard Helms, former Deputy CIA Director General Cushman, and current Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters meet with Haldeman and Ehrlichman at the White House, after which Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters sets up a closed-door meeting with L. Patrick Gray that afternoon. [NOTE: CIA disinformation campaigns uniformly make it appear that Nixon spontaneously ordered a "cover up" on the morning of 23 June 1972, when in fact he was induced into agreeing to it through back-channel machinations of Gray and Helms on 22 June, funneled through Dean to Haldeman to Nixon on the morning of 23 June. Helms himself arranged with Gray on 22 June for the FBI not to interview the anonymous-in-testimony "two CIA men"—who only much later are revealed actually to have been two internal CIA employees who had been involved with Liddy and Hunt at relevant times.] Saturday, 24 June 1972 One week after the "break-in," Ingo Swann secretly arrives in Washington, D.C. "to discuss psi [parapsychology] phenomena with a variety of officials...in terms of universal human consciousness." [NOTE: The unidentified "officials" of course are CIA.] Sunday, 25 June 1972 John Dean calls Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray at his apartment in the morning and says he wants to meet and talk with Gray. Gray purportedly offers to meet with Dean at Gray's office at the Department of Justice, but Dean doesn't want to be seen there. So Gray meets John Dean outside Gray's southwest Washington, D.C. apartment at Harbor Square. They walk around the area and sit down on a bench and talk privately. On the same day, the FBI "locates" Afred C. Baldwin, who agrees to cooperate, supposedly "to avoid the grand jury." Monday, 26 June 1972 John Dean is in telephone contact with Deputy CIA Dirctor Vernon Walters, who works directly for and operates only at the behest of and on the instructions of CIA Director Richard Helms. Tuesday, 27 June 1972 Scientology OT VII Hal Puthoff sends a summary to "K. Green," Office of Strategic Intelligence (OSI) at CIA, of the results of the Varian Hall magnetometer experiment with Scientology OT VII Ingo Swann. On the same day, Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray has two phone conversations with CIA Director Richard Helms. Wednesday, 28 June 1972 Again CIA Director Richard Helms is in contact with L. Patrick Gray. Helms tells Gray "not to interview active CIA men Karl Wagner and John Caswell"—both of whom have been involved with G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt. Gray immediately orders "that the interviews of John Caswell and Karl Wagner be held in abeyance," and simultaneously orders his special agents to interview Ogarrio and Dahlberg—the sources of the money found with the Watergate perps. [NOTE: The public revelation of which "two CIA men" really were protected by Gray didn't come until many months later, while the public had been falsely led to believe that Ogarrio and Dahlberg might have had some kind of CIA connection. This was the CIA's "bait and switch" that created phony media and public interest over some possible CIA connection (the money chain), which, through this Helms-Gray con, was suddenly removed, while secretly protecting the real CIA assets and liaisons to Liddy, Hunt, McCord and the other CIA henchmen involved with Watergate. In short, a "CIA interest" was concocted using "leads" (the money chain through Ogarrio and Dahlberg) that were known by CIA to lead only to the White House, since Liddy and Hunt had done all the money laundering in their double-agent capacity as "White House staff."] In the evening, John Dean meets with L. Patrick Gray and secretly turns over two large envelopes purportedly containing papers and items from the White House safe of CIA's E. Howard Hunt that had been withheld from the rank-and-file FBI agents. [NOTE: No accurate or complete accounting of what was or was not turned over to Gray has ever existed, and in fact Hunt later participated in a suit about it, apparently for no other purpose than to further confuse the issue. Gray later tells at least three conflicting stories under oath about what he had been given, and what he purportedly did with the materials he had been given. Hunt, Dean, and Gray all tell conflicting stories about the contents of Hunt's safe, some of which has been covered thoroughly elsewhere in the thread in this forum on "the Diem cables."] Dean also asks Gray for special access to certain FBI files on the Watergate investigation, which Gray agrees to. Dean again is in telephone contact with Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters (who acts only at the behest of CIA Director Richard Helms). On the same day, Douglas Caddy is served with a subpoena from Judge John Sirica to appear before the Watergate Grand jury, and Caddy forthwith "withdraw completely from representation of any of the seven defendants," according to Caddy. [NOTE: Caddy's claim implies that he actually was "representing" one or more of them, a fact not in evidence except by unsupported claims. Caddy consistently has refused to answer questions in this forum going to the issue of whether he ever was attorney of record for any of the defendants. John Sirica—who had assigned the Watergate case to himself—is the judge who in 1967 had presided over the federal case against the Founding Church of Scientology of Washington D.C. concerning Scientology electropsychometers (E-Meters) that had been seized by the FDA and FBI in February 1963 under John F. Kennedy. The E-Meters had been in the possession of the federal government until the trial, after which Sirica ordered the meters destroyed. His order had been held in abeyance on appeal, leaving the devices still in the possessiona and control of federal agencies. On appeal the case was overturned and Sirica's ruling thrown out.] Saturday, 1 July 1972 A highly classified Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report entitled "Controlled Offensive Behavior—USSR" expresses U.S. concerns that "Soviet efforts in the field of psi research, sooner or later, might enable them to do some of the following: ( a ) Know the contents of top secret US documents, the movements of our troops and ships and the location and nature of our military installations ( b ) Mould the thoughts of key US military and civilian leaders at a distance ( c ) Cause the instant death of any US official at a distance ( d ) Disable, at a distance, US military equipment of all types, including spacecraft." It says further: "The Soviet Union is well aware of the benefits and applications of parapsychology research. The term parapsychology denotes a multi-disciplinary field consisting of the sciences of bionics, biophysics, psychophysics, psychology, physiology and neuropsychology. Many scientists, U.S. and Soviet, feel that parapsychology can be harnessed to create conditions where one can alter or manipulate the minds of others. The major impetus behind the Soviet drive to harness the possible capabilities of telepathic communication, telekinetic and bionics are said to come from the Soviet military and the KGB. ...Soviet knowledge in this field is superior to that of the U.S. ...Control and manipulation of the human consciousness must be considered a primary goal." Wednesday, 5 July 1972 Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray has private conversations with CIA Deputy Director Vernon Walters and with John Dean. Around this time, Gray turns over FBI records of the investigation to Dean. Kathleen Chenow, former secretary to NSA's David Young and part time secretary to CIA's E. Howard Hunt, returns from England to be interviewed by the FBI. Alfred Baldwin receives assurance from U.S. attorneys that he will not be indicted, and will be treated as a witness, not a defendant. Saturday, 8 July 1972 CIA's James McCord secures Gerald Alch as his attorney (for a fee of $25,000, plus expenses). Alch gets word that the Watergate prosecutors have "independent knowledge" of monitoring equipment having been delivered to McCord's home, into the possession of Mrs. McCord, by "an unspecified person" (who of course is Alfred Baldwin) on the night the burglars were "caught." The prosecutors have threatened to indict Mrs. McCord, but won't if the equipment is turned over. Alch helps arrange that Mrs. McCord turn over the equipment to prosecutors on the condition that she not be indicted, and that the prosecutors may not reveal during the trial who they got the equipment from. [NOTE: Despite having been asked repeatedly in this forum, Alfred Baldwin has refused to answer how he left McCord's house after he purportedly drove the van full of "monitoring equipment" there.] Wednesday, 12 July 1972 There is further conversation between L. Patrick Gray and Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters. Wednesday, 19 July 1972 $40,000 is delivered to Anthony Ulasewicz in New York City. Wednesday, 26 July 1972 In New York City, Ingo Swann is engaged in an out-of-body experiment at the American Society for Psychical Research that verifies the ability to assume a point of view remote from the physical body, but with the perceptions normally attributed to the visual system and brain of the body. On the same day, John Dean calls L. Patrick Gray and requests the FBI 302 investigative forms from the Watergate investigation. On the same day, Herbert Kalmbach meets with John Ehrlichman and expresses concern that the money he is funneling to Anthony Ulasewicz in New York is a "legally proper activity." Ehrlichman purportedly assures him that it is. Friday, 28 July 1972 L. Patrick Gray again is in contact with Deputy Director of CIA Vernon Walters. The same day, John Dean picks up about 80 FBI 302 forms from Gray. Saturday, 29 July 1972 About $60,000 more goes to Anthony Ulasewicz in New York City. Tuesday, 1 c. August 1972 On or around this date, a secret "mission" purportedly from the Scientology flagship Apollo is in Rabat, Morocco, involved with Moroccon Minister of Defense Muhammad Oufkir and the Moroccon secret police.[NOTE: Oufkir and his own intelligence assets are believed to have been involved with intelligence agency assets in a 28 May 1972 kidnapping and assassination of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard (covered elsewhere and outside the scope). The personnel of this purported "mission" of "Scientologists" are secretly in liaison with CIA, using DEA cover, setting Oufkir up for a later intentionally sabotaged attempt on the life of Moroccon King Hassan II. See entry for 16 August 1972 et seq.] Monday, 7 August 1972 On or around this date, Anthony Ulasewicz flies from New York City to California and is given $75,000 more in cash. On this date, Ingo Swann flies from New York City to San Francisco where he is met by Hal Puthoff. Puthoff purportedly hands an envelope of an undisclosed amount of cash to Swann on his arrival. Swann is there to participate in secret CIA experiments in remote perception and telekinesis at SRI. Friday, 11 August 1972 Ingo Swann flies to Los Angeles with CIA-connected psychiatrist Dr. Shafica Karagulla and an undisclosed "associate." Saturday, 12 August 1972 Anthony Ulasewicz is in Washington, D. C. and leaves a disputed amount of cash in an envelope at Washington National Airport for Dorothy Hunt before flying back to New York. Monday, 14 August 1972 Scientology OT VII Ingo Swann returns to SRI from Los Angeles and begins a scheduled two-week series of experiments on remote perception with CIA personnel. The results are described as "startling accurate," and CIA's Sidney Gottlieb approves more funding and another work order for the development of "a more complete research plan." Wednesday, 16 August 1972 On his return from Paris, King Hassan II of Morocco's plane is attacked by jets from his own Moroccon Air Force. The attempted coup is being run by Moroccon Minister of Defense Muhammad Oufkir, but has been sabotaged from the inside, the jets being "armed" with training blanks, so fails spectacularly. Thursday, 17 August 1972 Muhammad Oufkir is reported as having been the mastermind behind the coup attempt on King Hassan II, and as having "committed suicide." [NOTE: An eyewitness after the fact has described Oufkir's body as riddled with bullets from the back.] Wednesday, 23 August 1972 Richard M. Nixon accepts the nomination for President at the Republican National Convention in Miami. Wednesday, 30 August 1972 Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray receives a message (signature blacked out): "Did you receive the printed matter that was sent to you concerning Scientology, if so please acknowledge. Thank you." Friday, 1 c. September 1972 On or about this date, the Scientology flagship Apollo is moved from Morocco to Lisbon, Spain, reportedly to go into dry dock. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard's whereabout have been unknown since Memorial Day weekend, the Apollo crew having been told he had gone to "live ashore" at a secret location in Morocco, where he purportedly is to stay when the ship is moved to Spain. On this date, Acting FBI Director sends a reply to the anonymous person who had sent him a message on 30 August regarding Scientology: "Your letter was received on August 30th. With respect to your inquiry, a search of our records does not reveal any prior communication from you. Sincerely yours, L. Patrick Gray III". On or about the same date, Jim Dincalci—who has been "Medical Officer" aboard the flagship Apollo, with access to L. Ron Hubbard—arrives in New York City from Morocco, purportedly "on leave." Tuesday, 5 September 1972 Acting Director of the FBI L. Patrick Gray receives a communique from the Legal Attaché Copenhagen, "SUBJECT: L. RON HUBBARD." It says, "Enclosed are single copies of an airgram dated 6/23/72, captioned 'THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IN DENMARK,' from AmEmbassy, Copenhagen, to U.S. Dept. of State, which is self-explanatory." On the same day, eight Arab terrorists, members of the Black September group, enter the dormitory that houses the Israeli Olympic athletes, kill two Israelis, and take nine others hostage. After hours of negotiation with German officials, the terrorists and their hostages are flown in three helicopters to nearby Furstenfeldbruck airport where, shortly before midnight, five of the terrorists, all of the hostages, and a German policeman are killed during an exchange of gunfire. Three of the terrorists disappear. Thursday, 7 September 1972 This is the date of the first known "Snow White" dispatch, titled "RE: US JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORY," purportedly from a Scientology Guardian Office (GO) official, implicating the Guardian Office in questionable or illegal acts again U.S. federal agencies—in this instance the Tax Division of the Justice Department, and the Treasury Department. [NOTE: This is the beginning of a series of events spanning several years that will result in federal charges against Mary Sue Hubbard and 7 top Scientology officials, resulting in jail sentences, the dismantling of the seniormost Scientology organization, and the restructuring of all of Scientology by Meade Emory—a former Assistant to Commissioner of IRS and an attorney connected with Lane Powell, the same firm that Douglas Caddy worked for.] Friday, 15 September 1972 E. Howard Hunt, G. Gordon Liddy, James McCord, and the "Watergate burglars" (all CIA connected) are indicted by a federal grand jury. [NOTE: Alfred C. Baldwin is not charged. Note, too, that the grand jury avoided any and all address to allegations of "mishandled campaign funds."] Tuesday, 19 September 1972 James McCord appears for arraignment before Judge Sirica. On the same date, Anthony "Tony" Ulasewicz flies from New York City to Washington, D. C. and leaves $53,000 for E. Howard Hunt's wife, Dorothy Hunt, in a Washington airport locker, then leaves $29,000 on a shelf in the lobby of a Howard Johnson's motel for someone to pick up. [NOTE: A memorandum from Dorothy Hunt dated 2 October 1972 claims that on this date she received $53,000 from E. Howard Hunt's attorney, William O. Bittman—not from Anthony Ulasewicz through an airport drop point.] Monday, 25 September 1972 An article in TIME magazine covering the Watergate indictments names Alfred C. Baldwin as having been involved, but not charged, claiming that Baldwin had "monitored and transcribed many of the Democrats' conversations" via "bugs" that purportedly had been planted in DNC headquarters in the Watergate over Memorial Day weekend. [NOTE: But there were no bugs at all through which Baldwin ever could have "monitored and transcribed" anything, proven beyond any rational doubt by two electronic sweeps of the premises. Baldwin's story was a complete fabrication, for which he was granted immunity, but one which all the CIA-connected perps ultimately "corroborated." Falsus in uno falsus in omnibus.] Saturday, 30 September 1972 Richard Nixon signs an interim agreement on strategic arms limitations with the Soviet Union. On or about the same day, Acting Director of the FBI L. Patrick Gray purportedly takes the files that had been given to him by John Dean—purportedly from E. Howard Hunt's safe—out of his personal FBI office safe in Washington, D.C. to his home in Stonington, Connecticut, and puts them in a chest-of-drawers just outside his bedroom, "intending to burn them." [NOTE: This is one of at least three different stories Gray told about what became of the alleged partial "contents" of Hunt's safe. In another of his tales, he already had burned them by this time in his office.] Sunday, 1 October 1972 The day after the strategic arms treaty with the Soviet Union—on a Sunday, no less—the CIA awards a top-secret contract to NSA's Hal Puthoff, a Scientology OT VII, to develop parapsychology for military intelligence purposes in conjunction with Scientology OT VII Ingo Swann. The contract is issued by CIA's Technical Services Division (TSD), the same CIA division that has run MKULTRA and the other CIA mind-control, brainwashing, drug, and psychiatric operations. The head of TSD is the club-footed Sidney Gottlieb—"Dr. LSD." [NOTE: This program will run for over 25 years in complete secrecy. Although over 95% of it is still classified, enough information has come to light since it was first revealed in 1995 to determine that it was a top priority program running throughout the remainder of the Cold War in total secrecy, first under CIA, later shuffled to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and subjected to other intelligence cult shell games. With typical "in your face" mockery, CIA changed TSD's name to Office of Technical Services—the acronym being OTS. Although this program has been peddled by CIA hacks as having been only concerned with "remote viewing," there is also circumstantial evidence that a primary interest of the CIA in using the Scientology OTs as the core of their program had a great deal to do with Ingo Swann's repeatable demonstrated success in remotely affecting material objects, such as the Varian Hall magnetometer and sealed thermistors.] Monday, 2 October 1972 E. Howard Hunt's wife Dorothy sends a memo to Hunt's attorney, William O. Bittman, titled "Accounting of Monies Received." According to her record, by this date she has received $88,000, and claims to have paid out $91,000—$3,000 coming from her "own funds." She adds, though: "You already have an accounting of the $53,500 received on September 19th." This makes a total of $141,500 received by her, according to her. [NOTE: Part of her accounting includes "$30,000 income replacement for Mr. Hunt and Mrs. Hunt."] Tuesday, 3 October 1972 The strategic arms limitation treaty with the Soviet Union goes into effect. Monday, 16 October 1972 A twin engine Cessna 310 carrying House Majority Leader Hale Boggs—Vice Chairman of the Democratic National Committee—and Congressman Nick Begich disappears during a flight from Anchorage to Juneau, Alaska. [NOTE: Boggs had served on the Warren Commission, and earlier had been involved with getting John F. Kennedy to come to New Orleans in 1962, partially because of trade activity in Louisiana attributable to International House, whose director at the time was Clay Shaw. It later will be reported that prior to his disappearance Boggs had indicated (in some way, to someone, identity unknown) that he had "startling revelations" about Watergate and the Kennedy assassination.] On or about the same date, an unidentified person delivers $20,000-$25,000 cash to the office of E. Howard Hunt's attorney William O. Bittman, ostensibly from Fred LaRue. Tuesday, 18 October 1972 At about 8:40 a.m. the Coast Guard in Long Beach, California receives a call from an informant saying that "a classified private electronics firm of which he had some knowledge or connection" had determined a location of the downed plane carrying Hale Boggs and three others. The Coast Guard contacts the FBI, and an FBI teletype is sent to Acting Director FBI L. Patrick Gray. It says that after the "first report was received" the "information concerning the location of the downed aircraft was checked with a larger unit [sic]," and that this anonymous "larger unit now discloses the downed aircraft" at a described location. The information immediately is furnished to the Coast Guard in Los Angeles. At 9:10 a.m. someone (name redacted, but apparently the original informant) "recontacted" the FBI Los Angeles office, saying, "Tracking equipment now being used is tracking the men and not the plane," suggesting that there were survivors and that they had left the plane. Sometime the same day the FBI interviews the informant. He declines to give the name of the classified firm where he works. The information is that around 7:15 the previous evening the unknown informant had received a call from "friends" who are "involved in working with highly sophisticated experimental electronic surveillance." [NOTE: There is no indication anywhere of who or what the mysterious "larger unit" is that was contacted by the FBI pursuant to the informant's tip, but which "larger unit" then gave the FBI a detailed description of a location for the downed plane. According to available records, neither the plane, nor any of its occupants, nor any scrap were ever found, despite The largest civilian and U.S. military search in history at the time, involving Coast Guard, Navy, and Air Force aircraft.] Monday, 23 October 1972 An article in TIME magazine seeds a Daniel Ellsberg-Watergate connection, saying that "Bernard Barker, the former CIA agent who led the raiding party into the Watergate, recruited nine Cubans from Miami in May and assigned them to attack Daniel Ellsberg, the man who released the Pentagon Papers to the public." [NOTE: So typical to such CIA-Operation Mockingbird ops, this reference to Barker in relation to Ellsberg is not only to plant a seed of connection, but to sow many weeds of confusion around it. This story is an ambiguous reference to an operation involving Barker and "the Cuban contingent" brought to D.C. to disrupt a peace rally—not a reference to Barker having been involved in the Fielding break-in, about which nothing at all so far has been revealed.] Wednesday, 1 c. November 1972 At or around the first of November, CIA's Technical Services Divsion (TSD) is transferred out of the Directorate for Operations into the Directorate for Science and Technology, and its name is changed to Office of Technical Services (OTS). With it is transferred the CIA's top-secret "remote viewing" program being run by Scientology OTs Puthoff and Swann. At around the same time Sidney Gottlieb retires, replace by John McMahon. It is during this period that Gottlieb, with CIA Director Richard Helms's collaboration, begins destroying CIA records, a great deal of them reportedly related to CIA's MKULTRA and its predecessor programs. [NOTE: Of course no one ever will know how much was made to disappear forever in the Helms/Gottlieb purge, or what it consisted of. By 2 February 1973, after the documents have been destroyed, Helms also will be gone from CIA, spiriting overseas into an ambassadorship in Iran.] Tuesday, 7 November 1972 Ronald DeWolf (a.k.a. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., a.k.a. Nibs) records a video-taped interview retracting testimony he has given as a paid informant to IRS, and retracting all allegations he previously has made against his father, the founder of Scientology. He says his allegations had been made "vengefully." [NOTE: DeWolf later will retract his retraction, claiming duress, and will sue for control of the Hubbard estate, claiming that his missing father is likely dead. His suit will be used as a very public stage for employees of the FBI and BATF to "prove" with special inks and fingerprints that the missing Hubbard is "alive and well and in control of his affairs."] Friday, 10 c. November 1972 On or around this date, Kima Douglas [a.k.a. Kima Dunleavey] and Fred Hare, representing themselves as executive officers of a "Scientology mission," fly to the Gold Coast in Africa [now Ghana] and set up a secretive corporation called "Religious Research Foundation" with bank accounts in Luxembourg and Liechtenstein. [NOTE: The whereabouts of Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard are unknown, and have been since Memorial Day weekend 1972. Years later, though, the creation of this corporation will be attributed to him in the suit by DeWolf, and subsequently used by United States Tax Court as part of adverse federal rulings that ultimately will put Scientology under control of IRS in a complex probate engineered by former Assistant to Commissioner of IRS Meade Emory, connected to the same law firm as Douglas Caddy.] On or around the same date, E. Howard Hunt telephones Charles Colson—who once again just happens to be ready to tape a Hunt phone call. Hunt says: "[T]his is a long haul thing and the stakes are very, very high and I thought that you would want to know that this thing must not break apart for foolish reasons... . We're protecting the guys who are really responsible...but at the same time, this is a two way street and as I said before, we think that now is the time when a move should be made and surely the cheapest commodity available is money." Colson gives a copy of the tape to John Dean. Wednesday, 15 c. November 1972 On or around this date, CIA Director Richard Helms calls L. Patrick Gray's "number two man" (Mark Felt), purportedly saying that Helms is going to call Assistant Attorney General Peterson regarding the interview of CIA Deputy Director Karl Wagner to see if it "could not be conducted...be held off." On or about this date, John Dean is at Camp David and plays the Hunt/Colson tape (see 10 c. November 1972) for Ehrlichman and Haldeman, later for John Mitchell. Sunday, 19 November 1972 On returning from the Gold Coast, the purported "Scientology missionaires" who have set up the Religious Research Foundation (Kima Douglas and Fred Hare) are "arrested" in Madrid, Spain on spurious "charges" concerning LSD and some chocolates. During a period of several days in jail, they are in private contact with U.S. DEA agents, including an agent named Weldon K. Curry, supposedly for "interrogation." In a few days all the allegations magically go away. [NOTE: The full story of this lunatic drama is a painfully transparent "cover" for these so-called Scientologists to be in secret contact with U.S. federal agents immediately after their operation to set up a phony financial corporation that later will be used by Ronald DeWolf and federal agencies and courts—all while the CIA is running a top-secret intelligence program entirely built on Scientology, secretly using U.S. intellegence personnel who have trained in the highest levels of Scientology, but without knowledge or approval of any Scientology official or organization.] Monday, 20 November 1972 In Paris, Henry Kissinger starts a new round of peace talks with Le Duc Tho. Around the same time Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray is hospitalized with some unspecified illness. Tuesday, 21 November 1972 The "Second Round of Strategic Arms Limitation Talks" with the Soviet Union begins in Geneva. Friday, 1 December 1972 On or about this date another $40,000 cash is delivered to E. Howard Hunt's attorney, William O. Bittman, "by messenger." On this date there is a meeting in Bittman's office attended by "the lawyers." [Apparently this refers to all lawyers involved in defending Watergate defendants: Gerald Alch for McCord; Peter Maroulis for Liddy; Rothblatt for Sturgis, Martinez, Gonzales, and Barker.] According to Alch, "The question arose as to whether the CIA was involved." One of the other lawyers suggests that all of the lawyers try to ascertain from their clients whether the CIA was involved—whether they had any knowledge that would implicate the CIA. Alch tells the other attorneys that his contemplated defense for McCord is to be based on "duress." The other attorneys feel this "will only be applicable to Mr. McCord in view of his being the Chief of Security." Immediately after the meeting, Alch and McCord then meet at the Monocle Restaurant, where Alch raises the question of McCord's background in the CIA, and asks if there is any substance to allegations of Watergate being a CIA operation. McCord does not "specifically respond to that question." Alch also brings up Victor Marchetti's book, asking if it could be a good reference relative to CIA training, including disavowing connection to CIA. McCord says it wouldn't be. According to McCord's testimony: "There followed from Mr. Alch a suggestion that I use as my defense during the trial the story that the Watergate operation was a CIA operation. I heard him out on the suggestion, which included questions as to whether I ostensibly could have been recalled from retirement from CIA to participate in the operation. He said that if so, my personnel records at CIA could be doctored to reflect such a recall. He stated that Schlesinger, the new Director of CIA, whose appointment had just been announced, could be subpoenaed and would go along with it." [NOTE: According to public records, Richard Helms is CIA Director through 2 February 1973, and Schlesinger doesn't take over until then. Alch dates this meeting at 1 December 1972, but also contradicts himself on the date by reference to another date in December supposedly given by McCord. Pending further confirmation or corroboration it is being put at this date as seeming most likely relative to other events.] Sunday, 3 December 1972 The Scientology land base in Morocco is ordered by persons unknown to be immediately disestablished, purportedly because of word from Paris of an impending legal action by France. A massive operation is mounted to move material and personnel to Spain almost overnight. Hubbard is nowhere in evidence. Monday, 4 December 1972 Scientology flagship Medical Officer Jim Dincalci and former Green Beret Paul Preston board a plane in Madrid, Spain bound for New York City. [NOTE: Later Dincalci will claim to have been fleeing Spain in the company of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard on this trip with Green Beret Preston, and that the three of them "hid out" in New York for ten months. This is the only accounting for the existence or whereabouts of Hubbard during these ten months, and there never has been any evidence to substantiate Dincalci's claims.] On the same day, Henry Kissinger's Paris Peace Talks resume. Friday, 8 December 1972 The first of several bomb threats is received by the Scientology Guardian Office in New York City. It is reported to the FBI as likely having been the work of Paulette Cooper—a woman with a Masters Degree in psychology who had written a book critical of Scientology that had been released close to the same time as the Pentagon Papers in 1971, and who subsequently had been involved with Ronald DeWolf. On the same day, E. Howard Hunt's wife Dorothy Hunt boards United Airlines flight 533 bound for Chicago. Other passengers on the plane include a journalist working for CBS named Michelle Clark—who reportedly was working on a Watergate-related story, and whose boyfriend reportedly was "a CIA operative"—and Congressman George Collins, from Chicago. On approach near Midway Airport, the plane crashes into the home of Mrs. Veronica Kuculich at 3722 70th Place, killing her and her daughter, and 45 people on the plane, including Dorothy Hunt, Michelle Clark, and Congressman Collins. Dorothy Hunt reportedly has $10,585 in cash in her purse at the time of the crash (though some sources have quoted much higher figures). Monday, 11 c. December 1972 On or around this date, James McCord meets with his attorney, Gerald Alch, in Boston and starts out the meeting saying he'll have no part of anything that's going to put the blame on the CIA. Wednesday, 13 December 1972 The peace talks in Paris end amid reports that they have broken down over efforts to settle the postwar political status of South Vietnam. Friday, 15 c. December 1972 Around this date in December, Jim Dincalci—in New York with former Green Beret Paul Preston—is making regular trips to the United Nations. [NOTE: The United Nations is where Ingo Swann had worked, and where George H.W. Bush is U.S. Ambassador.] Dincalci also is making trips around this time to an office building purportedly at 60 Wall Street (see NOTE following), and meeting with a person named Alfred Toombs. [NOTE: Alfred Toombs was the name of the person who was Army Intelligence Chief in April 1945. At the time, Allen Dulles had been head of U.S. intelligence in Switzerland, traveling to Germany around April or May 1945. As for "60 Wall Street," no record could be found of what might have been there in 1972, but 59 Wall Street is the address of Brown Brothers Harriman, whose history of connections with the Bush family and CIA is copiously recorded elsewhere.] Monday, 18 c. December 1972 On or about this date Scientology OT VII Ingo Swann flies from New York to San Francisco to begin his top-secret work under CIA contract with fellow Scientology OT VII Hal Puthoff at Stanford Research Institute. Very shortly after arriving, Swann and Puthoff purportedly go to "a Christmas tree lot" in Mountain View, California, where they "just happen" to run into another Scientology OT named Pat Price. Supposedly, Puthoff had met Price "several years earlier" at a lecture in Los Angeles. [NOTE: Pat Price soon will become a key component of the top-secret CIA program with Puthoff and Swann. No explanation is offered for why Price, from Los Angeles, would have been "selling Christmas trees" in Mountain View, never mind just happening to be at the lot where Puthoff and Swann go to buy a tree. The story is insultingly ludicrous, but this is the only offered "explanation" for how three Scientology OTs wound up as the initial core of the CIA's black operation that ran for over 25 years. Price later will die in Las Vegas under suspicious circumstances.] Thursday, 21 December 1972 Jame McCord writes a letter to Jack Caulfield—author of the original "Operation Sandwedge," under the auspices of which Tony Ulasewicz had set up the base in New York City. The letter says in pertinent part: "Jack: Sorry to have to write you this letter but felt you had to know. If Helms goes, and if the WG (Watergate) operation is laid at the CIA's feet, where it does not belong, every tree in the forest will fall. It will be a scorched desert. The whole matter is at the precipice right now. Just pass the message that if they want it to blow, they are on exactly the right course. I'm sorry that you will get hurt in the fallout." Caulfield replies—rather ambiguously: "I have worked with these people and I know them to be as tough-minded as you. Don't underestimate them." [NOTE: It is idiotically simple to interpret Caulfield's "these people" as referring to Nixon's "people." If you doubt it, research the number of idiots who have done exactly that.] Wednesday, 27 c. December 1972 On or about this date, Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray purportedly burns papers from E. Howard Hunt's safe "during Christmas week with the Christmas and household paper trash that had accumulated immediately following Christmas." To this point, claims Gray, he has never opened or looked at the files. But immediately before putting them in the fire—so he claims—he opens one of the files, which contain what "appear to be" Top Secret State Department cablegrams. He reads the first cable. Allegedly, it seems to implicate top officials of the Kennedy adminstration in the assassination of President Diem of South Vietnam. [NOTE: This is one of three entirely different stories Gray told about the purported "papers from Hunt's safe." Note, too, that in none of the stories of alleged "cables" is there any mention of names of any "officials of the Kennedy administration" supposedly "implicated." See separate thread in this forum on the fantasy "Diem cables."] Sunday, 31 December 1972 E. Howard Hunt writes to Charles Colson, requesting that Colson meet with Hunt's attorney, William O. Bittman. Hunt says in part: "There is a limit to the endurance of any man trapped in a hostile situation and mine was reached on December 8th." Wednesday, 3 January 1973 Daniel Ellsberg goes on trial, accused of theft and conspiracy in the disclosure of the Pentagon Papers. On the same day, the CIA's Anthony Goldin hand delivers to the Department of Justice Watergate prosecutors photocopies of 10 photos that E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy had taken of each other, using a CIA camera, at the office of Ellsberg psychiatrist Lewis J. Fielding. [NOTE: The Watergate prosecutors do not reveal these photos to the Ellsberg court until months later, at what turns out to be an extremely dramatic time in the Ellsberg trial, and in conjunction with the Congressional Watergate hearings. The "reasons" proffered for so withholding crucial CIA-supplied "evidence" are too ridiculous to waste good alphabet letters on here. There also is considerable circumstantial evidence that psychiatrist Fielding had been on CIA payroll at relevant times.] There, John: I think I'll just cut it off right there for now. That at least is a reasonably good primer for "Studies in Motivation" surrounding "Watergate." Don't you think? Once you have a firm grasp on all this, I would be simply rapt to hear a rational dissertation from you on a "motivation" that takes all the above into consideration. You would have my undivided attention if you came forth with a fabric of "motivation" that has woven into it threads from all these intertwined skeins. Put another way: show me a picture you've put together using all the pieces—not just the ones you like. This, after all, is a skill taught at pre-school level. And since this is the Education Forum, that would seem to be a minimum requirement for putting together a puzzle-picture of "motivation." Don't you think? And while you're trying to arrange that picture, make sure that looming over it everywhere is the dark and loathsome spectre of the Cold War. Because that pervasive miasma, John, was the single greatest source of sociopolitical and intelligence-cult and military-dominance motivation in the world at all relevant times. It was a desperate and obsessive race for supremacy by the acknowledged world powers, and the madmen running that race didn't have the same scruples and checks and balances that good people like you and yours might have. And the then-secret DIA document cited above shows just how running-scared U.S. intelligence-cult psychos—I mean, officials—were at the time. So if you leave that crucial factor out while you're trying to organize the above pieces into something that makes at least some semblance of sense, I fear that it's just possible that you might come back here—again—proudly waving a picture of elephants and jackasses and red, white, and blue streamers and balloons and party hats, as though all the above somehow fits into some sophomoric, penny-ante "political party" game of "dirty tricks." And I have to tell you that if you do, I will be very, very disappointed. I'll have to tell you that I just know you can do better. I'll have to tell you that you left out some very big pieces. Very big pieces indeed. I'm sure there are plenty of red-nosed people in pubs the world over who have time to squander listening to such wide-eyed, jejune credulousness, such guileless naiveté, where all the world has blue skies and finger pies and simple, open, straightforward "motivations" of power-hungry dirty politicians—all of whom, by necessity, always know far less than the hoi-polloi. There may even be members of this forum who have time for such mental masturbation. I don't. I am not sure that sarcasm helps your argument. My argument doesn't need help; the sarcasm helps my soul. Mmm. Well, I'm not sure that uninformed arrogance helps your argument. The pieces have been spread out before you, and they won't go away. You can put them to constructive use, or you can studiously ignore them. Or, if you can't think of anything else to do with them, you always can poke at them with a Speer. Ashton Gray

"No longer"? Was someone making an oblique confession to you? It would seem that for anyone to be able to make such a statement, they: A. would have specific knowledge of it having been done in the past, and, B. would have to be in a rather senior position to have any certainty of its...um, "termination." Of course "Smearing and Discrediting" is one of the chief exports of the intelligence cult and always has been. And nobody does it better. But if someone has admitted, however obliquely, to past murders by CIA of people "trying to disclose information on covert activities," these are references to premeditated capital felonies without statutes of limitations. Ashton

Removed first of double post that occurred as a result of consistent forum time-outs when attempting to post. Request for Admin to delete this message. Ashton

Hi, Bill, Very well done on this effort, and I hope to be actively participating very soon in support. I don't know if you were including in your statement above the timeline database I posted in the JFK Assassination forum, but I'm pleased to report that I'm informed that a good deal of data has been input into that framework from a variety of sources, and is continuing. Extraordinary circumstances have kept me away from all foruming for about two months, but it's looking like that is pretty well in hand now, so I'm going to be pouring the coals on the coordination efforts I started some time ago with several people on this. Meanwhile, if there is anybody reading this who has coding/scripting skills using GREP or any other tool of choice who could tackle the existing timelines that are available in text format anywhere, and convert them into tab-delimited files with fields I'll lay out below, that is the single biggest stumbling block at the moment to doing mass imports of the extant data. The fields REQUIRED for each record (event) for import into the database I'm referring to are: DAY OF THE MONTH (as text number without leading zero for single-digit dates; can include "c." to indicate circa) MONTH NUMBER (as text, leading zeroes not needed) YEAR (four-digit) EVENT (Any amount of text) SOURCE (Cited however) So here's how an example event would be set up in the text file for import (with actual TABS and RETURN where those are indicated): 6 c.<TAB>12<TAB>1972<TAB>This is a description of an event that happened around 6 December 1972<TAB>Book: "The Kennedy Chronicles," by Dewey Dorfus<RETURN> That would be one complete record. On import, the database converts the individual date elements into a single human-readable date display, including day of the week. Events without specific dates (month only, perhaps) can be assigned the dates of 1 or 15 of that month. Events known or believed to be in the first half of a year are assigned the date 1 April of that year. Events known or believed to be in the second half of a year are assigned the date 1 October of that year. Events that are only known as having occurred sometime in a given year are assigned the date 1 July of that year. (As other confirmed-date events are entered, and/or other sources are found, events with these kinds of estimated dates tend to get properly "located" in time--or exposed as having been false in some way.) For the purposes of this particular timeline database, any purported event that cannot be dated within the paramaters above can be discarded entirely. I realize this is a sketchy and brief description of what is needed, and may be complete gobbledeegook to most reading this message, but people who have experience with the text-mangling skills to do what's needed will get it. I've also learned that the database, as it's developing, will be exportable in Excel format and in PDF format, which should open the door to a very wide dissemination of the information indeed. So, with regrets for this "Hello, I must be going" message--I must be going. But I expect to be back very soon with more to report. Ashton

I just hate being late for the ball, but over the past week I have had a moving experience. (If "three moves is as good as a fire," I believe I have perfected ways to cut that down to one. I'm not sure that it's marketable, though.) Forgive this cluster-reply, but I simply don't have time to overcome the "one visit, one reply" limitation at the moment. To Eugene B. Connolly: Well, all the images that you've posted just beats the pants this thing I've cobbled together in terms not only of detail but of sheer beauty. Very admirable work. As soon as I don't have to climb over boxes to get to my computer and have a few minutes to take a deep breath, I will send you that PM and hopefully we can "talk shop" to whatever degree you're willing. I'm interested in continuing to develop and refine the model over time, and if you can give me any tips or pointers to the relationships of the DP features (natural and man-made) that would be great. If not, I'd just enjoy corresponding. Re: General Discussion of 3D Programs I picked Sketchup to start this mainly because I knew that with it I could block out a fairly accurate repesentation of DP initially, fairly quickly (meaning weeks of part-time instead of months full-time) to serve my own primary purpose: to [sUNG] "look through any window, yeaaaaah" [/sUNG]. (Okay, okay; I'll stop singing.) But the other "main" reason was because I knew the model could be exported to a wide variety of other formats at any time to refine and tweak it toward greater accuracy in other programs geared towards that. So far, the thing has done everything I wanted to do with it admirably, and for any other uses it was set up from the git-go for portability. Re: The Myers Sixth Floor Show and Tell I remain stupefied beyond speech that a man would invest the months of work required to create a 3D model of such infinite probative and investigative and exploratory potential, then limit the use of it to the narrow confines of "proving" a fixed and preconceived notion of one man, one gun, one place. I personally consider it the grandest abuse of art in the length and breadth of history. I have no idea what he was paid, but I hope it was worth it. Dawn: I'm always happy to invoke a smile under any circumstances. It helps me pay off my enormous debt of frowns and scowls that I have left strewn across the landscape in my wake. And, without singing: "Hello--I must be going...." Ashton

The entire thing was created in Sketchup Pro, using only that and Photoshop (to create the images projected onto the buildings and other geometry). Google has taken over Sketchup and has now put out a free(!) version, so this thing can be loaded into Sketchup (free), which is available for both Mac and PC, and can be further edited, played with, added to, tweaked, improved, and otherwise folded, bent, stapled, and mutilated by anyone to their heart's content. For anyone who has Sketchup Pro, it has the additional ability to export to a whole laundry list of CAD formats (for further, maybe more refined scaling and editing uses), plus the ability to create movies and other kinds of presentations from any model—including selecting from preset "cameras" or creating your own, with adjustable framing and focal lengths. I started this just to satisfy my own curiosity about several things, but, as I mentioned earlier, it's become something...else. I seriously am trying to work out some way to make it available to others (with the caveat that it can become something of an addiction, damn it). Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to pursue that with any diligence for at least a week and maybe two, but I do have it set as a goal. Ashton P.S. Very nice set of images you posted! How did you do that? And do you have very specific topo information for Dealey? That has been a major bugbear. Sculpting terrain contours by eye should be reserved for God. He's the only one who has enough time.

Temporary, intentional, and fully under control of CIA at all relevant times. That was the whole bait-and-switch, which my multi-part series (now unfortunately approaching book length and slated to be finished by the end of September) is covering in detail. Sure he did—after Caddy had confirmed to him that all the evidence had been planted in Hunt's White House safe by Hunt, and at his (McCord's) own house by Baldwin, and that the bait-and-switch was set to spriing. Look at the sequence. (Naturally enough, Caddy has jumped on this thread to wave the same old pack of Liddy lies in everybody's face as some kind of "proof" that all was just as The Official Story claims. <Snort!> That's all he's ever going to do. But it's obvious to anybody with an IQ above room temperature that Caddy had not the slightest reason to be involved at all, and that he served no other function than as a walk-on and walk-off CIA water-carrier.) Planted in the rooms intentionally, of course. Nobody is that stupid. And of course CIA used their own people for the black bag part: they had to. And that's why they had to set up a bait-and-switch to pin it all elsewhere. All the bread crumb trails to CIA were the bait. You can't pull a bait-and-switch without the bait. But every trail that led toward CIA also led toward the White House. Do you play chess? The whole bait-and-switch op was just a variation of "the skewer," with CIA playing both sides of the board. They first put themselves as the front piece of their own skewer, then simply stepped aside at the designated time, leaving "the King" in checkmate. It's as old as dirt. Liddy and Hunt were double agents. That's why they had been wormed into the White House in the first place! And the CIA "Pentagon Papers" op is what was used to put them there. And, Lord, don't leave out the fact Hunt and Liddy had flown to Miami on or about 14 April 1972 and given the Dahlberg and Ogarrio-funneled checks to Barker so he could arrange to get traceable sequential bills to plant on all of them, which first would arouse suspicion about "CIA involvement" and then would point 30 giant kleig lights onto the White House. That was the bait-and-switch, and they put their whipping boy, Patrick Gray, into Hoover's seat at the FBI—two weeks after the Hunt-Liddy check run to Miami—to run it for them with their other marionette, John Dean, both of whom would then spring the major traps in succession while erasing all the Hunt tracks that CIA wanted erased. You know, this whole operation is really just ho-hum. It's pedestrian. It's a no-brainer once it's timelined. No, it was the trail of sequentially-numbered $100 bills that the CIA had planted to lead right up to the desk in the Oval Office—after first holding out a phony "lead" toward CIA. Bait-and-switch. Bait-and-switch. Bait-and-switch. And what "dirty tricks"? The only ones that were going on of any significance all involved the same CIA people! Christ, there's nobody you can name associated with any "dirty tricks" that wasn't directly involved with Hunt! Do you doubt it? If so, name them! Thomas Gregory was a snot-nosed kid from Utah who was completely put into place by Hunt, and was on Hunt's payroll. Gregory was brought in by fellow Mormon (and CIA snake) Robert Bennett, and was under Bennett's and Hunt's thumbs at every step, quaking all the way, right up to the moment they were done with him, and then they tossed him aside by scaring him into running. Hunt and Liddy are on record as having been in clandestine meetings at least twice with Segretti (a.k.a. "Don Simmons") during the whole period. There's not a single aspect of the entire toxic mess that isn't absolutely dripping with putrescent CIA taint. Rubber gloves are in order. John, few people can actually make me sputter, but you just did. From all the way across the pond. That's quite a feat. They did! McCord had the football-sized "smoke alarm" device (to make sure nobody would miss it), while Hunt and Baldwin were planting the other "electronic devices" at the White House and at McCord's house to be "discovered" at appropriate times. I'm going to make this real plain and simple: The only electronic equipment ever in evidence anywhere in the length, width, and breadth of "Watergate" is the "evidence" that was that planted at three locations on the night of 16-17 June 1972 by James McCord, E. Howard Hunt, and Alfred C. Baldwin III for the sole purpose of being "found." That's it. That's all. Finis. End of evidentiary trail. End of discussion. Postulating any other electronic or "bugging" equipment ever in evidence anywhere, at any time, is postulating pure faith-based religion, a faith based exclusively on the statements of proven liars and convicted criminals. So not only did they plant electronic "evidence," not only did they paper themselves with traceable money that practically glowed in the dark, not only did they leave address books scattered around with "W.H." (White House) clues, not only did they arrange to have plain-clothes police respond to a burglary-in-progress, but James McCord went back and taped the goddamned doors TWICE when the first time didn't trip the trap. I don't know—what do you need? Signed confessions? Good luck. In the meantime, every "mystery" of Watergate is completely, thoroughly, entirely, and unequivocally answered by the foregoing. The "mystery" of Watergate is dead and buried. Put a headstone on it. What hasn't been answered fully is what the CIA crew actually was doing over Memorial Day weekend 1972. They won't ever answer that one voluntarily. Oh, yeah: and how Alfred C. Baldwin III left McCord's house after he drove the van full of electronic equipment there in the early morning hours of 17 June 1972. That question I asked him is still sitting in his thread. Maybe you can get him to answer it. Good luck on that, too. Ashton

Catching up on a few requests. Here's a view from the south knoll, this near the south pergola and the corner of the parking lot: And here's the view from the end of the picket fence, by the sewer cover if I have this right. Unfortunately the faux trees can't provide any very realistic representation of how they might have factored in and this needs to be improved, but it's what is right now: I was trying out different focal lengths and don't recall what each of the above was set to. I'm working with some people to figure out a practical way this thing could be distributed. Right now it's about 40 megs, so I don't know yet. Ashton

First, there is no evidence or testimony that any bug at all ever was on an O'Brien phone. Second, days before the 17 June "break-in" there was a phone company sweep: no bugs. Third, immediately after the arrests there were sweeps. Guess what: no bugs. I don't need to "convince" anybody that there were no bugs. The only evidence of records says: "NO BUGS." The only "evidence" you (and 99.999999999999999% of the world) have for believing in bugs having been planted is because Daddy told you so. (I'm sorry, I misspoke—it wasn't daddy; it was Lie-Factory Liddy and a handful of his fellow convicted and thoroughly impeached criminals. Daddy told you about the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy. Same difference. Only Daddy had benign motives.) Do you have anything else besides the "word" of proven liars to base this bug religion on? If so, bring it. If not, what is there to cliing to? What is there to stand on? Oh, for the love of God! Of course the 17 June break-in was the springing of the trap, but the CIA had had Nixon set up since 26 August 1971 when they sent Hunt and Liddy out to Beverly Hills to take snapshots of each other in front of the office door of CIA's pet psychiatrist Louis Fielding. And of course all they had to do was "get caught" on 17 June, and claim they had been in before bugging the place. Think the thing through: Why in the world would CIA risk their assets for this op by actually breaking in two weeks earlier? There's not a chance in hell! All they had to do was tell the same story, which is exactly what they did, and so amateurishly and badly and conflictingly that it would make 10-year-olds laugh out loud. Asked and answered. They were there to get caught, then to plant the 28 May "break-in" story, which was their alibi for what they actually had been doing on Memorial Day week-end. If you want to know what that was, you'll have to ask them or somebody at Langley. Because it was an arranged "rap" with pay-offs at the other end; because it was necessary to selling the op; because it created a world-wide distraction that is reverberating to this day and that took all attention off CIA; and because the consequences of the truth being revealed were so dire that it is to this minute among the dirtiest secrets of the dirtiest scum that ever cashed a government payroll check. Believing in the Easter Bunny is a lot easier and more pleasant, though, innit? Ashton

I think I've come up with a hack that allows it: OPT (Other People's Time). Given that I've done this in Sketchup, and given that there is now a free version of Sketchup provided by Google, and given that I've had a number of pestiferous naggings to make this available on some basis, I think I'm going to try to figure out a way to do just that. If I can, who knows: we all might soon be wandering around a virtual Dealey Plaza, bumping into each other, permanently stuck at 12:29 p.m. on a late November day... Ashton P.S.: I just may put ruby slippers on what's 'er name instead of white tennis shoes.

Bernice, you're an angel! Thanks very much. This is perfect. Except, damn: now I've got to make a sewer cover. I'm still trying to get the terrain fixed but will get your view from that fence corner as soon as possible. Ashton P.S. Jack: I've put a "Zapruder" in the model, and a camera that can be viewed through at his eye level. The software includes framing for a 16mm camera but not an 8mm. I set the field of view to 13° and the focus seemed very close to the Z film framing. As soon as I can get this @$##^#$! terrain fixed, I can export a movie taken from that camera, and the Stemmons sign should be installed by then.

After I get the model of the magic bullet working. Right now it keeps going in circles Asthon

Thanks to John Dolva and Peter Lemkin for the images. It's a great help. (Sorry to be gang-replying, but it's a workaround to this forum thing where I can only post once in a topic till somebody else does, or until I post in a different one. Life's not that long...) Ashton

I beg to differ: There were no bugs in the Democratic National Committee headquarters. There was no "first break-in" at the Watergate on 28 May 1972. Period. Ashton Gray