Myra Bronstein

Lemnitzer and LeMay are prime suspects. If there is a list of the "military brass" at the JFK autopsy "who seemed to be in charge" and "dictating to the autopists", I'd bet they were there. It the operation was a military coup, their hands were unclean...all the JCS. Jack Jack, absolutely, the JCS, through Walker and Dulles are prime candidates. there are witnesess who claim that LeMay was present at Bethesda throughout the autopsy, grinning like a Cheshire cat, and chomping on a cheroot. ... Definitely. Not enough attention is paid to Walker and LeMay and Lemnitzer and the JCS. People here will list their top suspects and they're all Cuban exiles. That's great work and valid and critical, but the exiles are just one faction in this plot and there is much more to it. President Kennedy encouraged the filming of "Six Days in May" for a reason.

Very powerful. And just like President Kennedy when she threatened the profits of the war machine she went too far. "Another powerful motive for murdering Diana was that she had become a loose cannon, politically speaking. Her aggressive campaigning toward the instituting of a ban on the use of land mines and a reduction in armaments sales, was anathema to the major armaments consortiums such as the Carlyle Group, whose stockholders includes the Bush and bin Laden families, Condoleezza Rice and, by proxy purchase, the House of Windsor. Until the advent of WWII, land mines had been used to impede the progress of enemy troops, but the introduction of tanks equipped with rotary flails which detonated land mines, provided a safe passage through minefields, thus diminishing their effectiveness." And John Lennon. Only the peaceniks die young.

Good one. Yeah, like the 1979 threats against Jimmy Carter from Raymond Lee Harvey and Osvaldo Ortiz.

Um, yes. Please and thank you. I refer to attorney Mark Zaid. Based upon informed analyses of Mr. Zaid's positions on the JFK assassination and personal observation of his intellect and maturity under pressure and in real-time (in Dallas, especially during exchanges with Peter Dale Scott), I am of the opinion that he is, at best, a dupe. In Mr. Zaid's favor: Perhaps, over the past decade, he has come of age. But given his abject failure to advance his London client's case -- at least to my knowledge -- there is little evidence to support such a hypothesis. Mohamed al-Fayed eschewed the services of more capable, experienced counsel (in the broadest sense -- such as David Wrone, Gerald McKnight, George Michael Evica, and the aforementioned Professor Scott, for examples; I have no idea if any were approached or, if asked to help, were willing to get involved). In so doing, he in essence brought a knife to a gunfight. Charles That's a real shame. Mr al-Fayed has a strong case, courage, the money and visibility to fight, and the popularity of Diana on his side. Still, I think it's getting to the point where, as in the JFK case, a sizable majority of people know that Princess Di was assassinated. And I think a lot of that is due to Mr al-Fayed's efforts. So that a form of progress. I hope he refuses to give up. Thanks for the explanation Charles.

To wind us up and waste our time and sabatoge threads. Obviously he's succeeding with many. I propose a strategy of totally ignoring him and letting the mods do what they think is best. Over and out.

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From a different Peter...no personal offense meant Tim, but your logic is impeccably illogical and self-blinding. Castro couldn't manage the cover-up; the Mafia couldn't manage the cover-up; even the CIA alone - nor the FBI could. It was a huge multi-pronged group at the highest inside levels [minus Castro...but insert anti-Castro forces]; no Russians; no Martians. Grow-up. Live with it. You don't live in a democracy nor in a legal state - you live in a oliarchical, tyrannical, thugocracy. You are either self-delusional (of the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome) or complicit and mocking us for Mockingbird. You might be the nicest person, as a person....but your theories are [to me] nearly insane and blind. You keep saying there is no proof of x or y. The Forum is full to bursting with it, and the books we read more so. Read what you want; think what you want...but you live in a different country than I do - it only shares the same name...but had/has a different history and motives and secret movers behind that history. Bravo, Peter. ... Dawn Gotta agree; that was well said Peter.

Excellent. What book is this from Peter?

A lot of interesting material here: http://www.dianaprincessofwales.net/didbri...dianasdeath.htm Brief references to the illuminati aside, I chose to ignore that subject, quite the synthesis of facts and conjecture. Esp interesting: "Despite her ability to create a media feeding frenzy whenever she appeared in public, Diana was a very lonely and insecure person, resulting in bouts of bulimia. Needing a shoulder to cry on, she developed a very close relationship with her bodyguard, a thirty seven year old Royal Protection Squad Sergeant named Barry Mannakee, although there is no evidence that they were romantically linked. Charles had Mannakee transferred to the Diplomatic Protection Corps after overhearing the bodyguard offering Diana advice regarding Charles' infidelity with Camilla. After his transfer, Mannakee was killed in a collision with a car while a pillion passenger on a motorcycle. According to Major James Hewitt, with whom Diana later had an affair, Diana told him that she was convinced that Mannakee's death was an assassination orchestrated by the Windsor staff and British Intelligence because he knew too much about the affair between Charles and Camilla. Hewitt claims that he similarly was ordered to terminate his relationship with Diana or he would receive the same fate as Barry Mannakee. ... It was self-evident to the Queen that Diana was wreaking havoc upon the public image of the Royals. After consultations with the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Prime Minister, the Queen ordered Diana and Charles to divorce. Diana received a divorce settlement amounting to seventeen million pounds, but was stunned to learn that she was to be deprived of the "Her Royal Highness" title. This mean act on the part of the Royals possibly contributed to her death. Had she been permitted to retain her HRH title, the government of any nation in which she was traveling would have been obligated to provide her with a VIP full police escort. ... "It was evident that the planned dinner at the Chez Benoit restaurant was out of the question because of the paparazzi's reckless behavior, so the couple returned to the Ritz, where they had to force their way through another frenzied crowd of paparazzi and had dinner in their sumptuous suite. Security cameras revealed several men in the crowd outside the Ritz who had loitered in the vicinity for much of the day. Former Scotland Yard Chief Superintendent John McNamara, who later was appointed by Mohamed Al Fayed to head an investigation into the crash which ended the lives of the star crossed lovers, identified these loiterers as members of British and foreign intelligence agencies. ... Diana allegedly underwent two heart attacks between the time of the crash and her arrival at the hospital. Unlike ambulances typically used in most countries, the ambulances of the French emergency service SAMU are actually sophisticated mobile surgical units. It would therefore be readily apparent to the ambulance crew attending to Diana's injuries that a heart specialist would be required after her arrival at the hospital. Incredibly, despite radio communication between the ambulance crew and the hospital staff, no heart specialist was present when the ambulance finally arrived at the hospital, nor had a heart lung machine been prepared ready for Diana's surgery if required. Still, French authorities had found time to summon French politicians, police and British ambassador Sir Michael Jay to the hospital prior to the arrival of the ambulance. Inexplicably, one hour and forty six minutes elapsed between the time of the crash and the arrival of the ambulance at the hospital. ... Diana was pronounced dead at 4:00 a.m. on the same day that the crash occurred. A very bizarre incident occurred later that morning which clouds the issue of whether or not Diana was pregnant and also suggests an unlawful course of action on the part of the Windsors and French authorities. It is a violation of French law to embalm a body prior to an autopsy, or to embalm a body without the consent of the next of kin, yet a partial embalming of Diana's body above the waist was performed prior to an autopsy and without the consent of the Spencer family. The order to perform the embalming came from the office of Prince Charles at St. James's Palace. This order was a blatant violation of French law since the prince was no longer Diana's husband. Strangely, a hospital spokesperson claimed that a sample of Diana's blood was never taken, which is very odd since they would have needed a sample in order to determine Diana's blood type prior to administering the blood transfusions purportedly given her. The formaldehyde used in the unlawful partial embalming procedure prevented a full autopsy from being conducted later, thus concealing any evidence that Diana was pregnant with Dodi's child ... After completing an assignment in Belgrade, Tomlinson was invited by an MI6 targeting officer to participate in a plan to assassinate Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic. A few days later, the targeting officer handed Tomlinson a formal MI6 document detailing the plan to assassinate Milosevic during his scheduled visit to Geneva. Chillingly, the plan proposed that a flashing strobe light be used to disorient the chauffeur of Milosevic's limo as it passed through a tunnel. According to Tomlinson, the document stated that a tunnel crash was the preferred assassination locale, since it would minimize the number of witnesses and maximizes the possibility that the crash would prove fatal. Tomlinson expressed to his superior his disgust that MI6 would conspire to assassinate a civilian head of state. ... I suspect an MI6 plan to assassinate Diana using the tunnel scenario was the reason for Mr. Tomlinson's dismissal. There was a distinct risk that he might mention the tunnel scenario in his autobiography, which would account for the strenuous efforts undertaken by MI6 to coerce various publishing houses to refrain from publishing it. Tomlinson eventually succeeded in persuading a Russian publishing house to publish it three years after Diana's death. Eight days after Diana's death, Tomlinson's apartment was burgled; the only item stolen was his laptop computer containing his book manuscript which mentioned the Milosevic crash scenario and Henri Paul's connection with MI6. Two months later, he was jailed under Britain's draconian Official Secrets Act, which conveniently prevented him from alerting investigative journalists about the tunnel scenario and the MI6 connection with Henri Paul. ... According to the aforementioned Richard Tomlinson, Andanson was a member of UKN. This is a covert department of MI6 consisting of a group of individuals whose regular employment as journalists and paparazzi enable them to keep MI6 informed on the activities of VIP's. ... In all probability, the white Mercedes observed following the Fiat at high speed was driven by a co-conspirator, who had been assigned to transport Andanson or the motorcyclists away from the crash scene if their vehicles had sustained excessive damage in the incident. If Diana's limo had covertly been fitted with a radio controlled steering system only two weeks prior to the crash, as claimed in the LeWinter documents, an assassin in the white Mercedes with a radio transmitter could have taken over control of the limo and deliberately crashed it into the thirteenth pillar of the tunnel. In summation, eleven eyewitnesses to the crash made statements which make it abundantly clear that one or possibly two motorcyclists and one pillion passenger were working in conjunction with the driver of the Fiat Uno to precipitate the fatal crash in the Alma tunnel. ... Motives for Murder It's not difficult to find a motive for assassinating Diana. The shy mouse that the House of Windsor intended to be used as a brood mare and nothing more, had evolved into a potential dragon slayer. She was intent upon preventing Charles from ever becoming king. Moreover, her mastery over the news media enabled her to publicly upstage the Windsors whenever she elected to do so. Diana's engagement to Dodi was unacceptable to the Windors since it meant that the future step father of Prince William and Harry would be a person of color and a practicing Muslim to boot. One can imagine Prince Charles' fury upon learning that his former wife was being romanced by Dodi Al Fayed of all people, for ten years earlier, a polo team captained by Charles had been beaten by a team led by Dodi! Another powerful motive for murdering Diana was that she had become a loose cannon, politically speaking. Her aggressive campaigning toward the instituting of a ban on the use of land mines and a reduction in armaments sales, was anathema to the major armaments consortiums such as the Carlyle Group, whose stockholders includes the Bush and bin Laden families, Condoleezza Rice and, by proxy purchase, the House of Windsor. Until the advent of WWII, land mines had been used to impede the progress of enemy troops, but the introduction of tanks equipped with rotary flails which detonated land mines, provided a safe passage through minefields, thus diminishing their effectiveness. Their principal widespread use at the present time is to kill or maim children to prevent them from becoming future soldiers who might kill their aggressors. Cluster bombs serve a similar purpose, which is why they frequently contain bomblets disguised as toys. At the time of the couple's death, production was scheduled to commence on a movie based upon a screenplay written by Gordon Thomas concerning the abolition of land mines. The executive producer was to have been Diana, with Dodi as producer. The movie was scheduled to star Gene Hackman and Brad Pitt. ... After arriving at Dodi's apartment in the Range Rover, bodyguard Kez Wingfield and his driver Philippe Dourneau received a message that Diana's limo had crashed. Upon hurrying to the tunnel, Wingfield phoned the Al Fayed headquarters in London, while Dourneau went to the wrecked limo. Dourneau reported to Wingfield that Diana had hurt her legs but otherwise appeared to be fine. Dourneau's account is in accordance with a rumor circulated by the paparazzi that Diana had been photographed through the open rear door of the ambulance and was sitting up at the time. Both accounts clearly are at variance with the version given by the attending medical personnel. It is self evident from eyewitness statements that the official version of the crash promoted by the French investigative authorities is clearly false. Adding fuel to the fire, a full post mortem on Diana was never conducted in France. In compliance with British law, a second autopsy was conducted in London by the official coroner to the Royal Family. Strangely, a copy of the autopsy report was given to the two pathologists who had performed the partial embalming of Diana in Paris (Professors Lecompte and Lienhart). They were told that it was for their personal use and were ordered not to permit it to be included in the official investigative report of Judge Hervé Stephen. It implies that a massive cover up was perpetrated in order to conceal the fact that Diana was assassinated. If this was indeed the case, can we not think the unthinkable and inquire whether the official claim that Diana died from a ruptured pulmonary vein is totally false and that Diana only sustained minor injuries in the crash, but was murdered either in transit to the hospital, or subsequently in the hospital?" I wonder how Dodi died in the tunnel, if not from the "accident" itself.

Perhaps they changed their story when the security camera recorded contradictory images. http://tinyurl.com/2akl3e "Three paparazzi later claimed that Paul departed the Ritz at a high speed. This claim was contradicted by footage from the hotel's security cameras showing the Mercedes leaving at a normal speed, with Paul driving in a responsible manner. According to the police, Henri Paul's blood alcohol level was very high, yet the Ritz security cameras revealed that Paul arrived at the hotel shortly after 10:00 pm and displayed no erratic behavior while parking his car, nor later in the hotel. Upon arrival at the hotel, Paul was in regular contact with Al Fayed bodyguards Trevor Rees-Jones and "Kes" Wingfield. Neither of them observed any evidence suggesting that Henri Paul was intoxicated."

Um, yes. Please and thank you.

If you read back over the thread, post #15, you'll see that I already answered your first question: "In your view,What was the reason for Diana's assassination." The royal of course decided they wanted her dead for reasons stated previously. British and US intelligence, in tandem, planned it and carried it out with input from the royals. Gee, that's a tough one. Hmmmmmm, I dunno, maybe so it'd look like an accident? And because British kings beheading their discarded wives is so last century. And so they could blame the paparazzi for chasing them to death. And very likely so they could force the car into the accident with bright lights, side swiping by the fiat, etc. And so they could keep control of the victims and not lose sight of them to insure the job was done. I really think this is a pretty straightforward assassination Stephen. The royals needed a sperm bank for Prince Tampex; she squirted out an heir and a spare; they had no further use for her; she refused to go quietly out to pasture when the royals deemed it time; they had her neutralized. It's not the convoluted maze that the JFK assassination was and is.

Gee, I'm not normally one to say 'amen,'... But I'll say a silent one here.

I believe this urban legend got its liftoff from a scurrilous book called "A Question of Character" by a guy named Thomas Reeves. That book was most definitely an attempt to erode Kennedy's image. When the author appeared on the Phil Donahue TV show he was accompanied by Richard Helms of the CIA. As most members are aware, Helms has not been eliminated as a suspect in the assassination. Woah J. Ray. That is an interesting piece if info. Thank you! So far, based on your tip, I found this: http://www.jfk-info.com/pjm-4.htm "On May 30 and 31, 1991, Priscilla appeared on a two-part "Donahue" program, along with authors Michael Beschloss (1) (The Crisis Years: Kennedy and Khrushchev, 1960-63) and Thomas Reeves (A Question of Character: A Life of John F. Kennedy), as well as Richard Helms, the former director of the CIA." Does anyone know if there is audio or video of this program available? And or a transcript? I didn't think that propaganda was Helms' specialty but he sure indulged in it. Perhaps it wasn't a vocation but an avocation.

Well that's the most annoying part. He's informed and smart (and clearly energetic ), but he plays these time-wasting manipulative games. I don't feel he's sincere in his discourse. And I'm not willing to be jerked around. So I pulled the plug. Ah well, onward.

Peter, Are you saying that you're aware of other online books that are relevant? I maintain a list here: http://www.jfktimeline.com/onlinebooks.html So if you know of any not on the list please let me know.

Richard & Judy (C4). However, the producer seems interested in what I have to say and so it is still possible that I will appear at a future date. By the way, it will be replaced by a debate on the missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann. If it happened once I could maybe buy their explanation. Twice makes it unlikely that it's valid. Producers are the actual news people, and it sounds like this one wants to pursue something their boss don't much like. Is the story about Madeleine McCann emergent, or is it an ongoing situation that could be reported on just as well a day or so later? Do you recall the replacement story the first time they bumped you? Just curious John, have you done TV interviews before? Reason I'm asking is, are you ready for the tricks they often use against those they want to discredit?

We could play smear bingo here. The smears are everywhere. Peter, did they focus on his use of medications for his chronic pain, or on illegal drugs? On edit: Gads I'm slow. Was "Altered Statesman" actually the name of the program???

Oh. ... Very good Charles.

I always see irony in the fact that the President was killed so that wars could be waged, and the movie the patsy was watching was "War is Hell."

I don't speak German, but I believe that in context it's impossible to misunderstand. If you watch or listen to the speech it's apparent from the massive crowd reaction that they understood it. Yes I feel certain that it's part of the ongoing propaganda campaign to erode President Kennedy's image. Good thread.

Steven, et al, Have we learned nothing from our labors on the JFK case? Before we start dismissing conspiracy in the death of Diana based upon an assessed unlikelihood of participation by the suspects of the moment, let us focus exclusively on the "how" of the event under scrutiny. After all, do claims that space aliens whacked JFK take anything away from, say, David Mantik's destruction of the SBT? Charles Drago One major difference between the deaths of Diana and JFK is that while the latter had more people with motive to kill him than an Agatha Christie victim no one has come up with a convincing motive for bumping off the "People's Princess" in such an unlikely manner... Oh c'mon, there are numerous obvious reasons: -The royals had to protect the purity of their arian bloodline, as Dodi's father has charged. -The royal bluebloods didn't want her marrying a foreigner, and middle easterner no less. -Charles wanted to marry the rottweiler and a living ex wife made that awkward to impossible. -The family didn't want her influencing her sons, one a future king, any more than she already had. -She would likely have been the mother of the King of England. How awkward would that have been for her estranged ex inlaws? -She had the gall to blab to an author who then wrote a bio about her airing all the dirty royal laundry. -Di embarrassed the stuffy old family by fraternizing with icky commoners and hugging lepers and aids patients. The horror. Not only that but she took on causes like eradication of land mines. She made them look cold and uncaring by contrast. -They despised her. -She was a superstar and out shined them. -They detested her. It's Agatha Christie all over again.

It's news to me. Thanks for posting it Mike.

Right, so now the ambulance crew are part of the assassination Lets see, Royal family, MI5, MI6, French secret service, Paris coroners office, French health service, Diana's body guard, and other assorted bogymen to numerous to mention. Did I miss anyone? I hear Elvis is alive and well, and living it up with Hitler in Argentina. I have no time for our "Royal family" and quite frankly wouldn't put much past them, I have no doubt they heaved a collective sigh of relief when the Queen of hearts snuffed it, but this wild baseless speculation is little short of preposterous. It sounds like the validity of a conspiracy is contingent on your feelings about the victim Stephen.

For a while Tim was banned from this forum because he threatened to sue members because of their claims he was involved in a Republican Party dirty tricks campaign during the Watergate Scandal. A couple of members asked for him to be reinstated. I agreed to this as I thought it would provide a good opportunity for Tim to explain his current views on the Iraq War (Tim, except for Craig, was about the only member of this forum who supported this military venture at the time). I thought we might get some rational debate about this issue, but unfortunately this has not been the case. I was also hoping to persuade him to talk more about his activities when he was a member of the Young Americans for Freedom movement (a nasty right-wing organization in the 1960s and 1970s centred around the racist views of William Buckley and the John Birch Society). We could put him on moderation, however, his frequent posts would take up a lot of time for moderators. I see. That's a good point. Well I'm sure you'll determine the best course of action. I'll just use the good ol' ignore feature and be blissfully oblivious.