Duane Daman

I'm not sure if this what you're asking but I found this . "The gold layer reduced the light transmittance of the visor to only 2 percent compared to approximately 15% for a standard neutral visor depending on type. The same sort of gold layer was applied also to astronaut's helmets to protect them from the damaging ultraviolet rays in the 200 to 300 millimicrons range." http://www.flightgear.dk/flash.htm The effect of raising the visor ? The astronaut would no longer be protected from the dangerous effects of solar radiation on the Moon . "Other solar radiation, particularly ultraviolet rays may cause severe sunburn in a few seconds." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_adaptation_to_space

Gladly ... This is a quote from a NASA web site .... Your favorite kind . "Reflect on this. Many satellites carry gold-coated mylar sheets to protect them from solar heat. A thin layer of gold on an astronaut's helmet visor FENDS OFF DANGEROUS EFFECTS OF SOLAR RADIATION . Satellite microelectronics that instantaneously relay data around the globe depend on gold components to ensure reliable, corrosion-resistant and static-free performance." SOURCE http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff1997/hm2.html

Who's shouting ? ... I merely posted in caps... Is that a crime here also ? I don't question whether or not the Apollo astronots were in earth orbit ... It's pretty obvious that they at least got that far, for many reasons, including all of the color footage of them in the CM taken for the TV audience around the world. What I am questioning is why in God's name did NASA pick their most important missions of all NOT to film the astronauts in the cabin during launch ? This was a first , not only for the Saturn V being launched to LEO but also a first for the alleged manned missions to the Moon ... So to not have cameras inside the cabin during liftoff is completely senseless, if not completely negligent !! If something had gone wrong during that time, or if the astronauts were in any kind of trouble during launch, NASA would not be able to see what was taking place in the cabin ! So I will ask you one last time .... Don't you find it highy strange that no cameras were positioned in the cabins during liftoff for the "greatest technological achievement of all mankind " ?? YES OR NO ? ( And that was not shouting !!! )

That statement is completely untrue ... If I post an article or evidence here that are not my own words, I always provide a link to where the information came from. Speaking of "sticks and stones "... Ouchers guys ... Your post comments above are unfortunately so typical of what is posted on forums such as Apollo Hoax, BAUT, and the UM, where you actually believe that attacking the messenger will be enough to stop the message. Sorry I'm no "turboniun", but I no longer have the time to research and debate Apollo like I did a couple of years ago ....and because of the insulting tactics used by ALL of the Apollo defenders, no longer have the interest either. If you believe my method of discussing the Apollo hoax is enough reason for me not to post on this forum, then why don't you all take it up with the forums owners ? .. Who knows, you might just get lucky and manage to have me banned again .

So that's why NASA faked all of those Apollo photos ?!?! . And I thought all this time that it might be because they really landed men there using reverse engineered alien anti-grav stealth technology that they wanted to keep it hidden from those "evil Russians ".

I'm sorry but I have ADD... Could you please repeat the question ? Oh, this question ? Yes, I agree with my fellow CT's that the Apollo astronots made it as far as LOW EARTH ORBIT ! .... But I'm afraid that I can't back that up with any evidnence because THERE WERE NO CAMERAS IN THE CABIN DURING LIFTOFF PROVING THAT THE APOLLO ASTRONOTS WERE REALLY IN THE ROCKET DURING LAUNCH ! MAYBE YOU THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO SEE SUCH FOOTAGE BUT I THINK PERHAPS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRIORITY FOR NASA TO BE FILMING LAUNCHES FROM THE EXACT SAME SPOT THEY HAD FILMED PREVIOUS MISSIONS AND PROBABLY EVERY MISSION SINCE THEN. WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY CARRYING A TV CAMERA AND A 16 MM DAC FOR USE IN THE CM FOR TRANSMITTING BACK TO TERRESTIAL TV STATIONS AND FOR SOME NICE, "LOOK, WE ARE IN ZERO GRAVITY" HOME MOVIES, THEN I AM HAVING DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS WEIGHT CONSIDERATION WAS ?? TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT APOLLO 11 WAS FLYING TO THE MOON IN ZERO G THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM THE EARTH ? WAS IT BECAUSE NEIL ARMSTRONG ASSUMES AN UPSIDE DOWN BAT IN A CAVE POSITION AT ONE POINT, OR WAS THE BLUE EARTH ATMOSPHERE LIGHT STREAMING THROUGH BOTH SIDES OF THE CM "COLORED BY NITROGEN FILLED WINDOWS" THE CLINCHER FOR YOU ?

Looks to me like Jarrah debated the evidence in your pretense of a rebuttal to his video , and debunked your "evidence" very well ... In fact, he pretty much kicked your sorry arse all over YouTube . I guess showing off for your pals by making your own YouTube "rebuttals" hasn't paid off like you hoped it would . Better luck next time .

For the same reason he is not interested in posting on this forum . To use Ralph Rene's words again .... "There is no talking to those people " ...and " The best xxxx always wins the debate." In other words , it's a waste of time arguing with the "propagandists", whether it be here or on a YouTube chanel . I thought you boys called us CT's "crackpots", "nutjobs"and "kooks" ! Correction: Truth seeker indeed.

I don't need to read your post again ... I saw the link you provided under "submit a request here" .... I already saw the other photos from that roll on the ALSJ and agree that several of them show the blue light streaks which could very well be a problem with the film or developing of the film . It was the amber light orbs which interested me, not the other "moisy artefacts" ...

Do you agree that it seems highly unusual that not a single reel of film exists of the Apollo Astros strapped in the cabins on top of the Saturn V's bound for the moon? Especially considering prior to and after Apollo, NASA made this a priority. Yes or no? Ta. I never said that no cameras recording the Apollo astronots during launch was proof of a hoax .... The staged Apollo photographs are proof of a hoax . Read my posts again if you're confused as to what we are discussing here and what my claims are . Or just read my question to Dave and answer it yourself if you would like.

Thanks for posting Jarrah's new rebuttal videos ... You saved me the trouble . Like Jarrah said ... "Sticks and stones". ... More character assassination from Gavin and Dave ? .... Gee, what a surprise . I have already explained why Jarrah has no interest in posting on this forum ... He would rather spend his time exposing the Apollo hoax by producing his YouTube videos which thousands of people see, instead of arguing with the "propagandists" on a forum that doesn't get nearly as much exposure.

How do you fake three men sitting on Saturn V rockets as they launch ? Get with the hoax program old bean .... Bill Kaysing always suspected there was nobody aboard the Saturn V's, and he would know because he worked for Rocketdyne . "Weight" is the only excuse you come up with ? .... The largest and most powerful rocket ever designed and you think one little camera in the cabin showing the astronauts during launch would be too much extra weight ??? The cameras they used later on were there already, adding to the weight . Nine alleged trips to the Moon and not one reel of film from the cabin prior to and including launch ??... How very strange . Most of NASA's missions prior to, and all of them following Apollo had a camera in the cabin but they JUST FORGOT about the moon trips ?? Even the makers of the movie Capricorn One remembered to put a camera there for the crucial scene when the Astronots are removed from the rocket. Yes.

Are you saying that a scanning defect would have caused not only the amber orbs ( lights) but also all of those blues lights and streaks that covered that photo as well ? The links you provided don't work.

I didn't leap to any assumptions .... I merely quoted what the medical doctor's advise was, as to why the astronaut's protective gold visors should have been used as they were designed to be used ..."LEST HE BE EXPOSED TO HARMFUL RADIATION". The fact that Jack Schmitt completely ignored this advise many times, means he either didn't give a rip about protecting his eyes and face from being exposed to the radiation on the lunar surface and the deadly cosmic radiation of deep space ... or he wasn't really on the Moon, but rather "out here in the Sun ".

Hey look what I found boys !! .... Video footage taken inside the cabins of the Shuttle showing the astronauts during launch !! Space Shuttle cockpit during launch with internal comms! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_vLl3K8yzOk NASA Space Shuttle STS-121 Launch Cockpit View http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5WdQHQY0xJs And even video footage of Alan Shepard inside the cabin during launch on his Mercury mission !!! Alan Shepard: Mercury Freedom 7, May 5, 1961 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XasiezwcWA8 But still not one video clip of the Apollo astronots allegedy heading for the moon, er , I mean the Moon, during the launch of the Saturn V ! ... How strange is that ??? But I did find that video again showing us THE APOLLO EMERGENCY ESCAPE CHUTE . James Burke demonstrates Apollo Saturn emergency precautions http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pLiAwSKkm6k Wait a minute ! ... I did find this one still photo of the Apollo astronots in their cabin during launch ! How about that ?

Well at least Evan got this one right . The absurdity posted above by Evan , Gavin and Dave would have to be some of the silliest OFF TOPIC MOCKERY TAP DANCING ever posted here yet . What's the matter boys ? ... You having trouble explaining away why there were NO CAMERAS INSIDE THE CABIN DURING THE APOLLO MOON BOUND MISSIONS DURING LAUNCH BUT THERE WAS AN "EMERGENY ESCAPE CHUTE " ready and waiting to get the astronots off JUST IN CASE THE ROCKET BLEW UP DURING LIFTOFF ?

"Hoax proponents say that blueprints for the Apollo Lunar Module, rover, and associated equipment are missing. There are some diagrams of the Lunar Module and Moon buggy on the NASA web site as well as on the pro hoax web site Xenophilia.com. Grumman appears to have destroyed most of the documentation. Despite the questions concerning the existence or location of the LEM blueprints, an unused LEM is on exhibit at the Cradle of Aviation Museum. The Lunar Module designated LM-13 would have landed on the Moon during the Apollo 18 mission, but was instead put into storage when the mission was canceled: it has since been restored and put on display. Other unused Lunar Modules are on display: LM-2 at the National Air and Space Museum, LM-9 at Kennedy Space Center, and LM-16 at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. " That sure sounds like the blueprints were destroyed to me . Copies of the blueprints for the Saturn V exist on microfilm. " Says who ? ... NASA ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...oax_accusations I will get back to you on the classified Apollo documents .

Okay then , here's some evidence for you Gav... "Mattingly was sure the "disappearance" of the stars was due to his gold visor. The doctors had advised him to leave the reflector down, LEST HE BE EXPOSED TO HARMFUL RADIATION, but he couldn't stand it anymore." " He blinked the visor open just long enough for the universe to show a familiar face: There they are! " A Man On The Moon - P.492 A.Chaikin I guess maybe Jack Schmitt had some kind of Superman powers "out here in the Sun" , cuz he sure didn't seem as concerened as Mattingly did about what that RADIATION EXPOSURE WOULD DO TO HIS EYES WITH HIS GOLD VISOR ALWAY PULLED DOWN ! It looks like you could use a little brushing up on your mockery techniques there as well , Mr. pro-Apollo .

Yes, it has been pointed out to me before by you, and I didn't buy the story the first time either . Speaking of Apollo evidence being archived ... Why would the government consider The Apollo Program so top secret that they won't allow all of the documents and files about the project released to the public until some distant future date ? .... I believe it was 2026 when the world would finally be privy to the truth about The Apollo Program, but only if the current US president decided it was okay to release the top secret documents . Wasn't it President Nixon who decided this release date ? ... Gee, you don't think those 18 minutes of erased tape was about how NASA faked the Moon landing , do you ???

If that's suppossed to be funny, you missed completely. It looks as though you could really use some brushing up on your mockery techniques of the CT's and the hoax evidence .

The point of this thread is to try to figure out what the lights are ... Whether they be orbs, or stagelights, or UFO's , or reflections of the LM cabin lights , or lens flare , they have to be something .... and I would like to try to find out if that's okay with you .

Using semantics will not help you this time ... I clearly meant the Apollo "moon landing missions" of The Apollo Program and you know it .... Thus my statement about "mankind's first trip to an alien world " not having any cameras showing the astronauts during lift off ... There were no cameras in the CM cabin during launch, but they did have an emergency escape chute just in case the Saturn V exploded on the launch pad !?!? .. How odd , especially since they would have been toast no matter what, if the rocket blew up during lift off ... The Apollo launches were photographed and filmed from many different angles silmutaneously outside of the Saturn V, so why not inside as well ? ... Unless maybe there was some reason the public wasn't suppossed to see the astronauts during launch . So unless the the Apollo-Soyuz mission pretended to land men on the Moon also, IT DOESN'T COUNT.. As for ALL of the Gemini missions having cameras in the cabin during launch , I stand corrected . This is changing the subject a bit, but I have a question maybe our resident Apollo expert can answer .... Why does NASA and all of the Apollo astronauts refer to the Moon as the moon ? ... Everything I have read by NASA , including excerpts from the various books written by our alleged Moon bound astronauts , always spell the word Moon incorrectly with a lower case m ... Is this possibly their way of telling us that it wasn't the real Moon they went to, but perhaps NASA's version of the moon ... as in ; moonset ? "Out here in the Sun " means HERE , NOT THERE ... If you don't think it's important that's fine ... Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... I happen to think it was a slip of the tongue said during The Apollo Simulation Project , which was conducted right "here in the Sun "and also right here under a spotlight for the indoor shoots .

Who said anything about them being stage lights ?

Thanks for posting your reply again Kevin ... As usual, you have shown what a nice polite fellow you are . It's not just the Orion missions that will prove that Apollo never landed men on the Moon almost 40 years ago ... It's the fact that NASA still hasn't been able to figure out how to protect their astronauts against deep space radiation either .... They will also have to invent new shielding . It's to too bad that NASA destroyed the all those blueprints to the LM , the Rover and the Saturn V rocket , isn't it ? ....Then their rocket scientists today wouldn't have to be starting all over again "from scratch".

The only thing the Sun is reflecting off of in this video clip is the outer gold visor, which is pulled half way up . The part below the outer visor , where his face is and where the pressure helmet should show some kind of reflection , doesn't .