Duane Daman

But in all fairness Craig , I did tell the truth in what really matters .... GENE KRANTZ COULDN'T DISCERN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REAL LANDING FROM A SIMULATED ONE ! .. and that little tid bit of information just won't go away , will it boys ? LOL Hey the news is on right now and guess what kids ? ... nasa plans to 'return' to the moon in the year 2020 !!! .... How many years away is that ??? ... 14 !! And we are suppossed to believe that nasa landed men on the moon 37 years ago and acomplished that amazing little feat in just 8 short years using antiquated 1969 technology !?!? .... LMAO is right !!

Craig ... If I am really so uninformed and "in over my head" about Apollo, then why do you spend so much time trying to refute every word I post here ? ... That's what I meant when I said that I have your number ... People who protest too much always give the game away ... I did say launch and admitted my mistake , so what's the big deal ? ... Saying that I am dishonest is just psychological projection , as it would be you who argue everything on this forum in a completely dishonest manner . Steve ... You being speechless is a blessing ! Oh and speaking of dishonesty , taking someone's quote out of context would fall into that catagory .... Neither you or Craig can 'win' this argument , so you both constantly lower yourselves to constant insults towards me ... You think by taking my words out of context now that you can make me look dishonest , when all I did was to make the mistake of including launch in with the faked landing . I also admitted that I didn't have a direct quote from Krantz but was coming as close to it from my memory of what he said ..... Saying launch and landing was incorrect , as it was only the landing that Krantz was speaking of in the documentary .... Of course mission control could see that the launch was real ... We could all see that .... But the bottom line still remains the same .... Gene Krantz admitting that neither he nor any other controller in mission control could discern the difference between a real landing from a simulated one .... Both of you can continue to spin this subject all you like ... But your constant need to shoot the messenger for delivering a message you just don't happen to like is so pathetically transparent .

Craig .... Do you really believe that rehasing every word I posted about this is going to change the fact that Gene Krantz let it slip out that neither he nor any other controller could discern the difference between a real landing from a simulated one ? You are intentionly confusing the issue now by quoting my posts ... I already admitted that I said launch when I meant to say landing , so why bring it up again ? ... Why such persistence in attempting to make me look bad I wonder ? ... Maybe because I have your number , in the fact that you are too busy trying to refute the opposition with ridicule instead of a proper debate ? .... and are also not happy I'm sure , with Krantz's statement which answered Stephen Turner's original question to me . I haven't seen this documentary in quite awhile , but I do remember Krantz talking about being relieved and surprised that Armstrong managed to land the LM on the moon , after repeatedly crashing it in the sims several times .... So instead of your constant ridicule of me and my not owning the documentary to post a verbatum quote , why don't you watch it again and post exactly what Gene Krantz said about his relief over Armstrong landing the LM on the 'moon' , when he couldn't land in the sims without crashing it ...

John .... Very interesting and informative links you posted here ... I have always suspected that the Wikipedia sites and information was a main stream program of misleading propaganda and nonsense .... And as the article said , most people are gullable enough to fall for everything posted on these sites and accept it as the ultimate truth , when in fact it is far from it . Steve .... Great post ! .... And all I can say is .... Yeah , what he said ! LOL

LOL @ Jack ... Too funny !! Jack ..... meet my friend Steven .... One of the cavalry has arrived at last ... With hopefully more help on the way soon ! Can you imagine what it might feel like to play on a level playing field ? ... I can't even imagine it .

Craig ... Sorry but you're wrong again ... You see the spinning here was done by Mike , not by me .... I didn't have the direct quote to answer Stephen Turner's question , this is true ... but now that Mike has so graciously supplied it , it just proved what I said from the very beginning about Krantz letting it slip that .... NO CONTROLER COULD DISCERN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REAL LANDING FROM ONE DONE IN TRAINING ( simulation ) !! Oppppssss .

Caption : ..... "Dang it Buzz ! ... Those guys at quality control forgot to put the seal's shadow in this moon photo ! ... Do you think anyone will notice ?"