Duane Daman

Jack ... I saw an Apollo training video of the rover being deployed and it was one astronot doing the deploying by pulling on some ropes .... The buggy then burst out of it's compartment too quickly and as it bounced about it was quite evident that not only was the dang thang too large for the compartment which had allegedly just contained it , but it was also obvious by the way it flopped about that the tires were inflated balloon like things ... It was a total fake .

I think you missed the point .... A researcher went to nasa and asked them to loan him the original telemetry tapes so he could reproduce them for everyone to see the moon landings like they were suppossed to be seen ... and also do a documentary on the Apollo program ... It was only then that nasa had to admit to him that they had no earthly idea where the tapes were .... and of course alarm bells went off for the guy who fell for the Apollo missions being real .... If this hadn't happened , nasa would have never admitted to not knowing where the telemetry tapes were ... and if the manned moon landing were really important , nasa would not have "lost " the evidence proving that they really went to the moon .

That's not quite what happened. The images are NOT 'missing'; the original tapes are missing, and that could give us better images of what we saw, not anything new.

Read about what really happened, and why:

http://honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/tape..._SSTV_Tapes.pdf

Maybe not all of the blueprints were destroyed but the important ones were .... If Grumman destroyed the blueprints then it was done under nasa's orders via the FBI .

So Duane - what were the important ones? What did they show?

And now you are changing your story? First it was the FBI who ordered it, but now it's NASA who ordered it but got the FBI to carry it out? Which is it?

There is so much nasa disinformation online that it's difficult to know which story to believe .... I have read on many forums , including pro Apollo sites , that the FBI ordered nasa to destroy the blueprints to the LM's and the lunar buggies .... But whether they were destroyed by the FBI , nasa or Grumman , the fact still remains the same .... THEY WERE DESTROYED ! AND THE LM AND LUNAR BUGGY BLUEPRINTS WOULD BE THE IMPORTANT ONE'S.

What did these blueprints show and why were they intentionally destroyed by whomever ? ... They most likely showed that the LM couldn't really fly , land and then launch from the moon and that the lunar buggy would have tipped over if really driven in 1/6 Earth gravity .

How about this, Duane, which has always bothered me. There are thousands of meaningless

Apollo photos. But not a single photo of the historic landing of a LEM with the LRV attached and

the LRV being unloaded and assembled! There should be photos of the LEM after landing with

the LRV STILL ATTACHED, and then of it BEING LOWERED, the WHEELS BEING UNFOLDED,

as well as the instrumentation being attached, etc...and maybe the astrofellows posing

beside it...GREAT PHOTOS FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS for NASA and Grumman etc. Right?

"Look what we did...landed a working vehicle on the moon!"

Well, here is the problem as I see it. On the earthly moonsets, the LRV WEIGHED SIX

TIMES AS MUCH AS IT WOULD ON THE MOON. Therefore, lowering it and manhandling

it in earthly gravity would be IMPOSSIBLE. So they had to forego "documenting" this

historic event.

Jack

Good point Jack .... I guess they were too busy photographing the more important things ... Like the way their bootprints looked in the fake lunar dirt on the moon set !

Have you ever noticed how sociopathic game players are always members of forums where nasa's faked moon missions are discussed ? ...

And have you also noticed that one of their favorite games to play is claiming that the hoax believers are all so IGNORANT ? LMAO !!

lamson has no proof of anything , so his only defense is to personally attack the one's who can see slap through nasa's phony Apollo Program of pretending to land men on the moon ...

Did you know that nasa's next trip to the moon will include crashing a rocket into the lunar surface ? ... And after they do that , then send some unmanned robotic missions there to see if it's safe for humans to walk around on the radioactive lunar surface ? .... But why would they do all that when they already soft landed six manned missions there 38 years ago ?

Maybe they shouldn't have been so hasty in destroying those LM and lunar buggy blueprints , cuz it sure looks like they could use them right about now .

The only dishonest photographer here would be you lamson , with your typical disinformation of defending nasa's bogus Apollo moon set photos ..

Why nit pick some photo taken on earth showing sun rays and parallel shadows , when the Apollo photos you continue to defend were so obviously taken on moon sets ?

Dave posts disinforamtion and distraction tactics here to get away from the real subject , which is ; The Apollo photos are studio fakes and more people are discovering that unhappy fact every day .

You want to talk about perspective ? .... How about the fact that you can't see the perspective of the lack of depth perception of distance in the silly looking Apollo photos showing fake painted cardboard mountain backdrops .

You have proven nothing with empirical evidence ... Your lame attempt to make "toast " of Dr. Jones' photographic evidence that the Apollo photos are fakes , was totally pathetic .

You are the joke here lamson , not me .... and the reason you are is because you keep pretending to have all of the answers and all of this amazing photgraphic knowledge and then you are proven wrong every time you post it .

Your only means of 'rebutting' anything in my posts is to constantly use the word "ignornant" , in hopes that people will dismiss the photgraphic hoax evidence on just your dishonest and inept opinion .... Sheesh ... is right .

Is this the paragraph in Dr. Jones' linked article that you are having such a problem with ?

"In an attempt to compensate for the distortion introduced by the World's atmosphere, either post-detection techniques, such as speckle imaging, or real-time, pre-detection techniques - adaptive optics - may be employed, with varying levels of success. Alternatively, one could try a satellite-based approach, as is claimed with the Hubble Space Telescope (HST). Such satellite telescopes would not work either, though, because they could not be locked onto a faint object for long enough, and are yet another example of science fiction masquerading as fact."

I just read the article you linked here and have no idea where you have gotten your incorrect statements from .

"And the brightness of the full moon is wrong, and can't be explained by the sun."

"And the Earth doesn't rotate - the stars and planets rotate around the Earth."

Other than you are just another nasa stooge , busy spreading more disinformation ... and not very good at it , at that .

I think you missed the point .... A researcher went to nasa and asked them to loan him the original telemetry tapes so he could reproduce them for everyone to see the moon landings like they were suppossed to be seen ... and also do a documentary on the Apollo program ... It was only then that nasa had to admit to him that they had no earthly idea where the tapes were .... and of course alarm bells went off for the guy who fell for the Apollo missions being real .... If this hadn't happened , nasa would have never admitted to not knowing where the telemetry tapes were ... and if the manned moon landing were really important , nasa would not have "lost " the evidence proving that they really went to the moon .

That's not quite what happened. The images are NOT 'missing'; the original tapes are missing, and that could give us better images of what we saw, not anything new.

Read about what really happened, and why:

http://honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/tape..._SSTV_Tapes.pdf

Maybe not all of the blueprints were destroyed but the important ones were .... If Grumman destroyed the blueprints then it was done under nasa's orders via the FBI .

So Duane - what were the important ones? What did they show?

And now you are changing your story? First it was the FBI who ordered it, but now it's NASA who ordered it but got the FBI to carry it out? Which is it?

There is so much nasa disinformation online that it's difficult to know which story to believe .... I have read on many forums , including pro Apollo sites , that the FBI ordered nasa to destroy the blueprints to the LM's and the lunar buggies .... But whether they were destroyed by the FBI , nasa or Grumman , the fact still remains the same .... THEY WERE DESTROYED ! AND THE LM AND LUNAR BUGGY BLUEPRINTS WOULD BE THE IMPORTANT ONE'S.

What did these blueprints show and why were they intentionally destroyed by whomever ? ... They most likely showed that the LM couldn't really fly , land and then launch from the moon and that the lunar buggy would have tipped over if really driven in 1/6 Earth gravity .

"You are in no position to question my honesty, and unless you can offer proof that I am being dishonest, please withdraw your blatant disinformation. "

As a professional photographer , you continue to defend the phony Apollo photos as being really taken on the moon ... That is being dishonest ... You also pretend to know more than other professional photographers , including the physicist, Dr. Neville Jones .... So in my book , that equates to being dishonest .

I don't see "bunnies in the clouds" ... I see faked studio moon set photos which contain clear anomalies in them which prove they were not taken on the moon ... If that upsets you , then too bad .

There are plenty more faked Apollo photos where this one came from ... and before I am through , I plan to post all that I can find right here on this forum , so you and your friends can lie and play games with them also .

Am I the only one those only sees 2 of the 4 so called 'fan blades' that are supposed to be so clear that we're liars if we don't see them?

Kevin .... Maybe if you take a close look at the original photo before Dave posted a different photo which appears to be altered , you will see the shadow of the four slender fan blades ... Smudges do NOT create shadows on the moon set floor ... nor do they look like ceiling fans or stage lights ... Are you a xxxx if you don't see the shadow ? .... I would have no idea if you are lying or not ... but you certainly are blind if you can't see it and also playing games along with the rest of your nasa defender friends who refuse to see the truth about the faked Apollo moon set photos .

Here's the original photo which clearly shows the fan shaped anomaly and it's shadow of the same shape .

I have nothing against Germans ... I am part German myself ... My grandmother on my fathers side was from Germany .

But I do have something against nasa and the Nazis who worked on the Apollo Project via Operation Paperclip .... Germans are not Nazis but Nazis were German .... And calling lamson "Herr" does not refer to him being German but rather having a moon Nazi mentality .... Sorry if you are offended by the term ... I will stop using it .. The joke was getting old anyway .

lamson ... If you can't see that the Apollo 12 anomaly reflected in the visor is either a ceiling fan or a stage light , then it would be you who is lacking in "skillset" and also the one who is "blind as a bat " .

You worked for nasa on the ALSJ ... You have a biased opinion when it comes to the Apollo photos .... In other words , you are not to be trusted to tell the truth about any of the amomalies in the Apollo photos.

My only proof that the reflected object is a ceiling fan or stage light is the fact that it is shaped like one and changes shape and position in the visor with the camera angle ... That alone proves it's not a smudge on the visor .

So if you don't have anything to prove and don't have a dog in this fight , then why question my evidence ? .... If you were honest , you would admit it looks more like a reflected anomalous object instead of a smudge ... But of course you are not honest about any of this .... and that's precisely the reason you choose to attack my hoax evidence .

Matt .. The fact that the the blueprints to the LM and lunar buggy were destroyed have NOTHING to do with them taking up too much space ... What an absurd and lame excuse by nasa .... Do you think that's the reason that one ton of 700 boxes of telemetry tapes from every mission are missing also ? .... They took up too much room ? ... The fact that the blueprints were destroyed says it all .. and believe me , I didn't make it up ... Even the pro Apollo forum members know this is true , as shown by your copied post .

I think you missed the point. First, the FBI didn't order anything destroyed. It is a completely absurd idea that they did.Second, NASA isn't even the organization that held the blueprints. Grumman as stated in my previous post was the manufacturer and held the blueprints. Also, as stated in my previous post, Grumman has gone through multiple mergers and acquisitions since 1970. Not only does that increase the possiblility of stuff getting lost, that also increases the possibility of someone new and unfamiliar with the project coming in and getting rid of the documentation because they either saw it as a waste of money to store for a old project that they weren't working on or idn't even realize what it was and got rid of it because of that. Third, not all of the blueprints are destroyed. I posted a link earlier that had links to many, many documents of the LM and lunar buggy. I'll post it again

http://www.geocities.com/bobandrepont/lmpdf.htm

As for the tapes, in my opinion, they were probably never properly cataloged and as a result got misplaced or even written over. But that fact that we even know about the missing tapes is interesting in and of itself. It was NASA and an agency working with them that announced that the tapes were missing. Why, if they were trying to cover something up by misplacing the tapes, would they announce publicly that the tapes were lost? Does that even make any sense?

I think you missed the point .... A researcher went to nasa and asked them to loan him the original telemetry tapes so he could reproduce them for everyone to see the moon landings like they were suppossed to be seen ... and also do a documentary on the Apollo program ... It was only then that nasa had to admit to him that they had no earthly idea where the tapes were .... and of course alarm bells went off for the guy who fell for the Apollo missions being real .... If this hadn't happened , nasa would have never admitted to not knowing where the telemetry tapes were ... and if the manned moon landing were really important , nasa would not have "lost " the evidence proving that they really went to the moon .

Maybe not all of the blueprints were destroyed but the important ones were .... If Grumman destroyed the blueprints then it was done under nasa's orders via the FBI .

Dr. Jones .... "He continues his ridicule of those that question the Apollo programme, by claiming that we do not understand perspective.

A further outlandish claim that Dr. Bouw uses to reinforce his disdain is: “Consider another related phenomenon called [?] which occurs when the sun shines through a hole in a distant cloud. The resulting sun rays are anything but parallel. They each trace back to the sun.” Do they? In that case, the Sun would be just above the clouds."

Dave ... "Using his logic, the sun would be just behind the clouds. Last time I checked, it was approximately 93,000,000 miles away. The light rays in the photo are (essentially) parallel - they don't look parallel due to perspective. The author has shot himself in the foot by demonstrating he can't understand this basic concept."

The sun being just above the clouds is a figure of speech ... I'm sure that Dr. Jones understands how far away the sun really is from the clouds ... Is this your meaningless point , referring to Dr. Jones "shooting himself in the foot " ? ... Or is it about the light rays not looking parallel ?

Cool your jets there Sid ... Calling Craig "Herr lamson" is just a joke ... Just like the crap that moon Nazi posts here .

If you want to read some REAL ABUSE , why not try reading some of his posts to me ?

Duane (cribbing Jones) claims:

The developing and printing techniques he talks of are relevant where there is reasonable contrast over the exposure. On the Moon, there would be extreme contrast, so much so that areas would either be burnt out completely or not exposed in the least. There is no way that such images could be corrected as he implies, to the degree necessary to produce such sharp photographs.

Duane’s argument is non-existent. The tonal range of a scene is not a factor in the creation of sharp photographs. The following contribute to creating sharp photographic images. 1. Steady camera 2. Proper focus 3. Film characteristics Again the tonal range of the original scene is not a factor.

Anyone with any real experience would plainly see that the images coming from NASA are simply faked, studio shots, perfectly exposed and composed, where the level and type of studio lighting is completely controlled and metered. The astronots did not even have an exposure meter! Neither did they have a viewfinder! Anyone with experience of the Hasselblad 500EL, such as myself, will tell you that guesswork would not produce magazine after magazine of perfectly exposed and composed images. They will also tell you about the telltale signs of hotspots (indicating the proximity of highly directional light source) and infill (indicating the use of standard portrait reflectors).

Again Duane has provided no argument. Many photographers with REAL experience will tell you that Apollo images look nothing like studio images. They will tell you that what some people who lack the proper understanding of photographic lighting fail to see that the "infill" seen in the many of the Apollo images is the result of the reflection from the lunar surface ( as seen in the highlights on the surface of the snaps on the spacesuits and direction and quality of the shadows it produces). Duane is not specific about the exact "hotspots" he is talking about so it is impossible to subject this claim to inspection.

Duane tells us that the Apollo images are perfectly exposed and composed, which is simply not the case at all. Anyone who takes the time to inspect the Apollo image gallery in total will find that a large percentages of the images taken are out of focus, suffer from camera movement, are underexposed, overexposed, poorly framed and are rather boring content wise. His claim is simply false.

Next Duane tells us that the lack of a light meter somehow makes setting proper exposure impossible or at least difficult. This is simply wrong. Photographers for years have used the "SUNNY 16" rule for setting exposure. Ample example of how this rule works are available on the web.

Duane then tells us that the lack of a viewfinder makes composition and focus difficult or impossible. Again he is simply wrong. Another long time photographic technique is call "zone focusing". This works by using the dof scales on the lens barrel in conjunction with the f-stop being used to find proper focus point without looking though the viewfinder. In the case of the Lunar Hasselblad the lens was modified to provide click stop detents for close, medium and far focus. This can be tested with any camera that has a manual focus lens with a dof scale.

Composition can also be obtained without the use of a viewfinder. Even today we can find many examples of photo journalists and sports photographers holding a camera over their heads...without using the viewfinder...to take photographs. I do it quite often myself, while making images inside a tight space, where the camera is back up against a wall and the viewfinder is unavailable. Practice and experience allows me to make satisfactory images, just like the Apollo astronauts.

Contrary to what Duane says, it can be seen that there is little guess work involved in shooting photos with a camera like the Lunar Hasselblad. And despite his repeated claim, the rolls of Apollo are not filled with perfect photographs...but are filled with a mixture of great, good, poor and downright bad images.

There was no protection of the Hasselblad for extremes of temperature (Kodak Ektachrome, the film type used, crinkles up at well below the supposed temperature on the Moon), nor against radiation, which would have caused irreversible fogging on all images.

Duane is simply wrong again. There is no 'temperature on the moon" . But of course the film was protected from extreme internal temperature but the reflective coating of the film magazine and but the special film base employed. Duane has also not provided proof that the levels of radiation on the moon are at sufficient levels to fog film

I have answered your replies out of order , starting with the last to the first ...

Duane is NOT wrong because I copy/pasted Dr. Jones , the astronomer and professional photographer's evidence ... and he certainly knows more about the subject of taking photos in space than you do .

What about the film that was changed on the 'lunar surface' by the astronots with their under-pressurized gloves ? .... There was no reflective coating or special film used ... nasa only changed their story later about the film being "special" after they were caught lying about the regular Kodak Land film that was really used for Apollo .... Even Jan Lundberg , the man who helped design the Apollo camera at Hassleblad , stated that regular Kodak film was used and he couldn't understand how it could have taken those perfectly clear photos while exposed to lunar surface heat and radiation .... The lunar surface is completely radioactive .... Even the moon rocks should be hot with radiation , but of course they're not .

The studio perfect photos were the only one's avaliable to the public until nasa realized their mistake and had some imperfect photos made later in the 1990's for the internet , to cover their obvious blunder .

Without a viewfinder the picture perfect postcard Apollo moon set photos could not have been taken ... I don't know what professional photographers you have consulted with but the one's who are telling the truth about the perfect Apollo photos have clearly stated that it would have taken a professional photographer many hours to set up and block and produce the perfectly staged Apollo photos ... and that there is absolutely no way that an astronot on the moon , with no viewfinder could have taken those nasa postcard pictures ....

Many photographers with REAL experience will tell you that Apollo images look EXACTLY LIKE studio images.... Jack White , Dr. David Groves, David Percy , and Dr. Nathan Jones being only a few of these professional photographers who have the courage to expose nasa's crude photographic hoax .

Sorry Herr lamson .. but if this is what you consider making "toast" of Dr. Nathan Jones' evidence of the Apollo photos being studio fakes , then you obviously need a new toaster.

Evan ... I don't see where anyone has "rebutted" any of my claims about the bogus Apollo missions and the faked Apollo photos ...

Do you think the stagelight/ceiling fan reflection in the Apollo 12 visor is just a smudge on the visor too ? .. And if so , can you please show us all the proof of this ?

My attitude here recently has nothing to do with anyone pretending to rebutt my hoax evidence ... It's because I am tried of the games that are played here and the lies that are told by those who defend nasa's lies ..When I first started posting here I was hoping we could discuss the Apollo hoax evidence like rational adults , but most of you quickly proved that was an imossibility with your constant insults and name calling directed at me ... lamson being the worst of the bunch ... Sorry , but shooting the messenger will not stop the message .

If you want to pretend to debunk some hoax evidence , why not try taking on Nathan and Neville Jones ? It looks like nobody here so far has been able make make "toast" of either one of their articles , which provides clear evidence and proof that nasa faked the moon missions right here on earth .

It's about time the physicists , astronomers and some other professional photographers also , have the guts to take on nasa's lies of sending men to the moon .

Matt .. The fact that the the blueprints to the LM and lunar buggy were destroyed have NOTHING to do with them taking up too much space ... What an absurd and lame excuse by nasa .... Do you think that's the reason that one ton of 700 boxes of telemetry tapes from every mission are missing also ? .... They took up too much room ? ... The fact that the blueprints were destroyed says it all .. and believe me , I didn't make it up ... Even the pro Apollo forum members know this is true , as shown by your copied post .

lamson ... You have nothing to prove because you can't prove that the Apollo 12 visor reflection of the ceiling fan / stagelight anomaly is a smudge .... Anyone who claims this reflected object is a smudge is just playing games and lying .... Two things the typical nasa defenders do so well .

My words are not meaningless just because I am not a photographer .... Anyone with eyes can see that something is reflected in the visor that doesn't belong on the moon .... What would my trying to recreate it prove ?

By the way ... Jack white is a well known photographer who has worked hard at exposing the faked photography of the bogus Apollo Program .... I knew about him before I even started investigating this subject ... Where as you are just a nobody who lives in Nowhere , Indiana , who pretends to be somebody important ... So you can take photographs .. So what ? .... You still can't prove that the Apollo 12 visor reflection anomaly is a smudge because it isn't .

Why don't you do the "smudge ' test on the surface of ordinary household convex objects yourself , lamson ? .. I would really enjoy seeing how you turn a smudge into a ceiling fan/stage light reflection .... Can you do a smudge with four geometrical sides that look like fan blades ? .... and can you also please photoshop a shadow to match the smudge too ? .... You're such a world acclaimed professional photographer that I bet you could do all that in just a few minutes , right ?

Why ask Jack to do your work for you ? ... I'm sure Jack is too busy has better things to do with his valuable time than placate or answer to you ... and after all , this is the winter and you just admitted that you have no important photographic 'work' to do during your down time ... Yep , I bet things are really jumping ( NOT ) right now in Nowhere , Indiana .... LMAO !!

Jack .... It looks as though your friend lamson doesn't enjoy being on the receiving end of personal attacks .... He certainly can dish them out , but as most mean spirited , small minded cowards go , he sure can't take them .

He thinks because he has a photo studio in Nowhere , Indiana that he is important ... and can make "toast" of the physicist and professional photographer , Dr. Jones , by posting more of his photographic BS 'rebuttals' ..... and you're right , he obviously doesn't have much to do besides blow smoke and also blow his own narcissistic horn , on forums where people like us are trying to expose nasa's great lie of going to the moon and taking bogus picture perfect postcard studio photos with regular Kodak land film , as their 'proof' of having gone there .

If you haven't looked at the APOLLO HOAX FAQ article I posted here , check it out .... Not only does the astronomer Nathan Jones provide definative proof that Apollo was faked here on Earth , but our resident moon Nazi , gullible geeks , Apollo apologists , clavius clones , and defenders of nasa's ONE GIANT LIE FOR MANKIND , apparently haven't found a way to 'refute' the article evidence yet ...

Maybe Evan will e-mail somebody at nasa for help ... Or maybe the moon Nazi will personally attack me for posting that one also .... Or possibly geek greer will make up some more lies ... Anything is possible with this pack of fools .

The only people who will agree with a dishonest moon Nazi like you are the one's who want to believe your and nasa's lies .

You can post any photographic nonsense you want to here but you will never be a physicist and you will never really be able to prove Dr. Jones wrong .

In fact , you will never be anything but what you are ... An online sociopath with the manners of a cowardly bully and an Indiana hick , who pretends to be important .

Why did you hide behind the cap lamson ? ... Ashamed of who you really are or ashamed of what you really look like ?

You are so typical of all who defend nasa's lies ... Use any unethical means necessary to try to the prove the hoax evidence wrong ... I'm sorry I ever conceded one point in arguing with dishonest geeks like you ... I thought I was doing the right thing in being honest about my misinterpretation of that photo .. But it's very apparent that you don't even know the meaning of the word honest .

Stop pretending that the Apollo 17 photo has anything to do with what is reflected in the Apollo 12 visor ... Dr. David Groves sees it ... Jack White sees it ... I see it ... Everyone I know sees it .... and everyone who knows nasa faked the Apollo moon landings sees it for what it really is ...

So the only one's who continue to pretend not to see it , or worse , pretend it's a just a smudge on the visor , would be you and the other liars who defend the biggest liars of all ... nasa & co .

lamson .... You have the audacity to call Dr. Jones the physicist and professional photographer , a moron ? ...

Look below to see who the real moron is ... The Indiana hick who thinks he's God's gift to the world of photography .

A man who is so embarrassed of who he really is that he has to hide behind a silly looking cap to try to disguise his true identity ! .... You're a pathetic joke lamson ... If you 'take down' Jones , it will only be in your own sociopathic mind , using more of your moon Nazi tactics and lies to pretend to do it .

Moon Nazi in disguise .... Pretty scary stuff .

geek greer .... You are a either a xxxx , blind, or paid NASA disinfo agent.... Or probably all three .

I thought we were discussing the Apollo 12 visor ceiling fan /stage light reflection , not the Apollo 17 spotlight reflection .. Oh and there's the other Apollo 17 photo again also ... Talk about DISTRACTION TACTICS ! .. You are the champ of that geek greer .

Herr lamson ... If reproducing the photos is so easy using simple household objects , then you photograph it ... Or don't you have the time or resources either ? ... This has nothing to do with "lack of brain power" ... but everything to do with wasting my time on dishonest liars who will just play more games with anything I post .

So go ahead Mr. Big Shot Photographer ... Show us all how smudges on a convex reflective surface can look like four bladed ceiling fans and stage lights and also cast shadows the same shape on the floor .

The photo you posted has nothing to do with nasa's faked moon set photos .

I don't call people liars for no reason .... So it is not a "distraction tactic" on my part but merely an honest opinion of what is taking place here among the nasa defenders .

I lost all respect for you when you posted the Apollo 17 photo here again , which had absolutely nothing to do with the Apollo 12 photo anomaly and which I had the honesty and decency to concede quite awhile ago ... I have the integrity to admit it when I have been proven wrong about something .... Something which you are obviously not capable of doing .

The hoax evidence has been classified top secret until the year 2026 and most likely won't even be released then , if the military /industrial complex has anything to do with it ... The fact that Evan wants us to believe that the only evidence being held classified is the medical records of the Apollo astro-actors , is beyond ridiculous ....

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that anything more is classified?

Matt ... Are you for real ? .... If something is CLASSIFIED it is a SECRET .

How could I possibly know what nasa is hiding about Apollo ? .... I was hoping that in my lifetime nasa would fess up to faking the Apollo moon landings ... but of course that was just wishful thinking on my part because that is something they are never going to admit to ... Even when 2026 rolls around , I'm sure they will find a good reason to continue the cover-up .... Just the way the corrupt American government continues to keep the truth of JFK's assassination classified and covered up .

Unfortunately most of the Apollo evidence has already been destroyed that could expose nasa's deceit ... The LM and lunar buggy blueprints were ordered destroyed by the FBI ... and the "lost" telemetry tapes will most likely never be found because they have either been hidden away under lock and key and gun point or they have been flushed down the toilet , where they probably belong anyway.

I don't have the time or the resources to photograph stage light fixtures and ceiling fans in astronot's visors ... If you can't see what is right before your eyes , and want to pretend that the Apollo 12 visor reflected anomaly is just a smudge on the visor , then go right ahead ....But as far as I'm concerned , you are wasting everyone's time with your silly claims ....

Am I supposed to recreate the conditions of nasa's moon set photo shoot ? ... Are you clavius clones for real ? ... Or maybe you just want me to draw some clever little diagrams of where the ceiling fan, or stage lights and their shadows were on the moon set ?

It's hard enough just reading the lies you geeks post without having to waste my time defending the obvious ... But it's all just a game anyway , isn't it ? .... You all pretend that something is not what it obviously is .. Then you all expect me to draw pretty pictures for you , of something you refuse to see or believe in the first place .

Okay , let me put this simple terms that you all can understand .... The photo speaks for itself ... There is an anomaly reflected in the Apollo 12 visor which looks like either a stage light or a celing fan and this object also causes a shadow on the moon set floor ..... It is NOT a smudge and you do NOT need a picture or a diagram from me to prove this point .... Just open your blind eyes .... Open your closed minds .... and then look at the truth .... The Apollo photos are studio fakes shot on moon sets .