Jim Glover

I wonder if he was murdered.

Kathy

Hi Kathy,

Good Questions.

The Photo of Bush in front of the Book Depository sure looks just like him and I found some from the Parkland Hospital that look just like him also but it is mostly from the back and just a little to the side.

Jim

Jim, if you are able to, could you post the photos of Bush at Parkland?

Kathy

I well give it a shot...

Look Familiar folks?

Notice the bulge above his left shoulder....It seems the cordinators had there own frequency.

Now I could be leapin in logic here but

When I first sent them to Gary at the 6th floor museam, he said the man was too short to be Bush.

A friend of mine in Detroit calculated the height of the Police car and the curb he propbaly would be standing on and said the man was 6 feet 2" ...a match there.

Then he said it was a another guy he knew but never came up with the name.

He said he would ask George Bush for the museam What he was doin in Dallas when he told the FBI about the possible student threat to Kennedy when Bush says Please keep this confidential and I am on my way to Dallas".

I can't recall would be typical.

Jim

I wonder if he was murdered.

Kathy

Hi Kathy,

Good Questions.

I Don't know if Phil was murdered...He would tell me that he would talk about Dealy someday but that never happened and in 1976, it was scary time to talk and many people who knew too much were still getting killed.

When I was singing and talking about it in Chicago, The Mob boss was murdered and a man came up to me at the Quiet Knight and handed me his card with a black hand emblem on it and said "Let me know if you need any help".

Phil Told me once that he was warned (he did not tell me who) that if he talked they would say that He was crazy and that Phil was working for them.

I don't think that he was too worried about being accused of having mental problems since he was supposed to be taking medication like Lithium for his Manic Depression, but I think his biggest fear was that he wanted to have his legacy intact as Folk Singer without any involvement or knowledge in the mystery which was much more unsolvable back then then it is now. Anyone with knowledge would get blamed because the cover-up was ordered by Johnson and even that was covered-up.

When Phil was in his more military Gung Ho modes even back at Ohio State I used to defend Gary Powers who was shot down in his U2 over Russia and Phil said "he should have taken his suicide pill as he was supposed to". He loved being the devils advocate sometimes.

Phil did talk of suicide to me maybe once or twice. He may not have known who were really behind the people who threatened him to shut up about it. If we are getting closer to them now...How could we expect him to figure it out back then.

Now here is what I know about the double Oswald.

The WC dismissed all evidence, including FBI because they thought there was only one Oswald. Allen Dulles was in charge of what secret files could be seen.

I myself saw a taller looking Oswald in the custody of two Dallas Cops get on a shadow or 2nd Hollywood Hootenanny Tour bus shortly after the assassination, as I have told the FBI and Justice Dept.

I talked to Butch Burrows who was the usher at the Texas Theater where Oswald was arrested and Butch told me and Later our concert at the Theater in 93 that the police were taking a taller looking Oswald out of the side door at the same time that Oswald was being taken out the front door and Butch showed me the side door.

The research community has never gone into this even though I invited them all to the concert for JFK truth that night.

Phil could have talked but how would he know that his family would not be hurt or if what he knew could be proved...remember the photos of Phil were not released until 12 years after he was gone...and like the Zapruder film was not released for about 12 years too.

I also saw George Bush on that same Bus and the man who pointed him out to me was David Ferrie who was on to me in Cleveland because I went back to my Old neighborhood in Willowick Ohio to try to find out the name of the man who wanted me to spy on my Folks around 52. I was in High School at the time, late 50's, I was threatened by a friend who knew Bush and got threatening calls from a guy who acted like a gangster at that time also.... All this because I was looking for Bush because a friend would not believe that I was asked by Bush to spy on my folks. I always was bad at remembering names off hand and I don't think Bush even ever told me his name...Why would he?

The Photo of Bush in front of the Book Depository sure looks just like him and I found some from the Parkland Hospital that look just like him also but it is mostly from the back and just a little to the side.

Bush was sitting next to Hoover on the bus and we know that Bush called the FBI about a student at Houston University who supposedly made threats to JFK.....I believe that was a ruse so that he could have a talk with Hoover later that day when I saw them together on the same Bus with many other strange men and we were ordered to close all the window shades of the bus so that we could not see the airplane they flew in on but somebody said "we are at an airport and after most had gotten on after loading lots of heavy luggage into the Compartments below, I heard someone say "the Corsican Brothers are Here".

I did not here any cheering about that.

That night was a scary one at the Pines Motel, in the Sam Houston National forest near Point Blank Texas and believe it or not it was next door to a Texas National Guard armory which could have been convenient for getting arms for Para military operations.

That night men were celebrating long into the night and a man came into my little room and said "Don't go out side tonight because there is a man with a shotgun looking for Kennedy's killer.....I heard shots that night and I figured they shot the guy the cops had in there custody even before I saw the resemblance to Oswald because they both reminded me of Mark Tepping who I was supposed to room with at Ohio state...but Phil became my roommate instead.

Jim

Well I'll be... they do work and I got more of um too.

Phil wore the same jacket at newport 64.

Thanks Thomas...I well give it a shot.

OK, Here is a page from Phils scrapbook of us singing at ohio state in 61,

I am the tall Banjo player and Phil is wearing his favorite sport coat...He never took it off.

Here is Phil in the garage doorway of the Dal/Tex building in 63

Snapshot_2007_04_13_03_59_32.tiff

Snapshot_2007_02_28_13_11_16.tiff

Well I tried but I preview the Dealy shots are blocked, but folks get them when I email them,

I got this error message when i click on the tiff snapshots:

"Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help files for more information."

So if ya wanna see um send me a request.... jimglover@verizon.net

Jim,

I've been a fan of Phil Ochs for a long time. I had no idea he was interested in the JFK assassination, despite the nature of his music, which was pretty much strictly social commentary. Was he a real critic of the Warren Report? Also, please enlighten us on the pictures in Dealey Plaza that may be of Phil. Why do you suppose he would have been there? Did you ever ask him about it? If so, what did he say? Anyhow, interesting stuff. Please continue to share.

Thanks Don I think I covered some of your questions in the reply I just gave Peter...sorry I hit the reply twice.

Well yes, Phil was very interested in the case...he was a witness.

But he did not know who did it for sure so he did not put himself on the firing line.

I knew Phil very well and he would be happy that he was able to give us some clues to the truth and I am happy to pass them on.

But it was dangerous back then even in 76 when Phil Hung himself...of course I can't say for sure that he hung himself. Actually Phil showed me his photos of JFK autopsy at his place in LA while we were getting ready for the Midnight Special show around 74. He had a photo of General Walker's House with a sign on the front lawn about "Free Cuba" or something like that and we smoked a couple of his real Cuban cigars.

The film clip of Phil in Dealy was not available until 1988...twelve years after he died.

I believe if the media had not waited 24 years to release that footage, Phil would have come out of the closet like I was asking him too.

Since he is in the background of the footage probably only Phil or I would have been able to identify him because it goes by in a few seconds.

But our lives would have still been in danger because the cover-up of "nobody knowing anything but Oswald" and it would have blown the case wide open and here we are...lucky to be alive.

I guess i am lucky because I know more about the case now after all our study and new evidence popping up.

If you are interested , get the books out on Phil Ochs and goggle him. there is a lot out there but not much on the secret stuff.

I guess that is my job.

Jim

'a security observer' for who or what?!

Phil Ochs as a singer song-writer is first class.

Bobby may have been 'scared', but not like the 'rest of us' he knew much more about the powers behind the actions and its anticedents and consequences than we did/do - and was killed to prevent him acting upon that information I believe, no matter what one things he was thinking or planning or knew.

Thanks Peter...Phil was great and I got him into folk music....I taught him guitar and he wanted to learn to sing with a vibrato...nice sometimes.

Phil used to say to me "Jim, I will never lie to you but there are some things i cannot tell you". When we were roommates at Steeb Hall, Ohio State, he let me know he was in contact with a surveillance operation on students and even told me during one off our heated discussions about communism..."Good or Evil?" Phil told me I was "Fair Game".

It was a military culture because ROTC was mandatory and Phil was a sergeant in the Air force and I was private Army cadet.... He liked to pull rank on me and I RESENTED IT...BUT WE HAD A BALL ANYWAY.

Being a "Security Observer" was a new one for me too when Phil first told me where he was some months after our Texas journeys...but i had just told Phil where I was in Texas when JFK was Shot so when Phil said "Security Observer" I thought that could be the job description that i took on as well...we can get into that later or i will digress too much from your question.

It was many months before Dallas that Phil came to Jean's place on Thompson Street in the village where I was living in sin....and while Jean was out, Phil gave me some secret info. There was a plot to kill Kennedy and do I know anything about it. He said he was working for some domestic national Security program kinda like the CIA but these are the Good Guys in the war between the bad guy Hoover's FBI and JFK and the Good Guys.

Phil never told me who or gave me any names of who was his boss at that time but that would have been foolish if he did and probably dangerous for us both because I had a big mouth...and you know there wasn't much crime in our neighborhood.

Phil said he was working for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in order to find out more about the plot and i said I would let him know if i heard anything....I kinda remember we were supposed to meet somebody in the subway station but they never showed so I never met the Fair Play for Cuba guys but many years ago I called VJ Lee of the Veterans for Peace and he told me "Oh yes Phil was working with us".

So all I remember about his Dallas trip was what he told me only once and that was that he he was standing on the street by the scene and when JFK was shot he went towards the scene and saw the commotion ..... and I think he may have gone with someone in NY that he knew...maybe in the Gambino family not sure .... they were probably being set up too come to think of it. Phil did say he thought it was a Para-Military operation

I asked Phil of he can prove that he was there and he said "Well I was being filmed by some cameraman while I was standing in the big garage Doorway just across the street from the Book Depository".

He got a flight out of town and was afraid he wouldn't and he met the cameraman who was on his way back to England.

Phil must have been real depressed when he got back and saw on TV that he was not able to help JFK...

Gee after what RFK knew, he must have been more scared then Phil and Me.

Not nice memories ...but it is history.

So the lesson I learned from Phil is that you can't know everything about it but if you don't give up, You may learn enough to overcome it.

Jim

'a security observer' for who or what?!

Phil Ochs as a singer song-writer is first class.

Bobby may have been 'scared', but not like the 'rest of us' he knew much more about the powers behind the actions and its anticedents and consequences than we did/do - and was killed to prevent him acting upon that information I believe, no matter what one things he was thinking or planning or knew.

Thanks Peter...Phil was great and I got him into folk music....I taught him guitar and he wanted to learn to sing with a vibrato...nice sometimes.

Phil used to say to me "Jim, I will never lie to you but there are some things i cannot tell you". When we were roommates at Steeb Hall, Ohio State, he let me know he was in contact with a surveillance operation on students and even told me during one off our heated discussions about communism..."Good or Evil?" Phil told me I was "Fair Game".

It was a military culture because ROTC was mandatory and Phil was a sergeant in the Air force and I was private Army cadet.... He liked to pull rank on me and I RESENTED IT...BUT WE HAD A BALL ANYWAY.

Being a "Security Observer" was a new one for me too when Phil first told me where he was some months after our Texas journeys...but i had just told Phil where I was in Texas when JFK was Shot so when Phil said "Security Observer" I thought that could be the job description that i took on as well...we can get into that later or i will digress too much from your question.

It was many months before Dallas that Phil came to Jean's place on Thompson Street in the village where I was living in sin....and while Jean was out, Phil gave me some secret info. There was a plot to kill Kennedy and do I know anything about it. He said he was working for some domestic national Security program kinda like the CIA but these are the Good Guys in the war between the bad guy Hoover's FBI and JFK and the Good Guys.

Phil never told me who or gave me any names of who was his boss at that time but that would have been foolish if he did and probably dangerous for us both because I had a big mouth...and you know there wasn't much crime in our neighborhood.

Phil said he was working for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in order to find out more about the plot and i said I would let him know if i heard anything....I kinda remember we were supposed to meet somebody in the subway station but they never showed so I never met the Fair Play for Cuba guys but many years ago I called VJ Lee of the Veterans for Peace and he told me "Oh yes Phil was working with us".

So all I remember about his Dallas trip was what he told me only once and that was that he he was standing on the street by the scene...not sure but I have in my mind that maybe by the building he was filmed at cause around 1993 I saw a film of what looked like the folks on Houston Street and I saw a man who looked like phil duck.... and after JFK was shot he went towards the scene and saw the commotion... a woman crying.... and I think he may have mentioned that he had gone with someone in NY that he knew...maybe in the Gambino family not sure .... they were probably being set up too come to think of it. Phil did say he thought it was a Para-Military operation.

I asked Phil if he could prove that he was there and he said "Well I was being filmed by some cameraman while I was standing in the big garage Doorway just across the street from the Book Depository".

He got a flight out of town and was afraid he wouldn't and he met the cameraman who was on his way back to England.

Phil must have been real depressed when he got back and saw on TV that he was not able to help JFK...

Gee after what RFK knew, he must have been more scared then Phil and Me.

Not nice memories ...but it is history.

So the lesson I learned from Phil is that you can't know everything about it but if you don't give up, You may learn enough to overcome it.

Jim

Jim,

It may be a good idea to start a seperate thread on your experiences surrounding the assassination. Althoug I'm 21 I'm a big fan of Phil Ochs The story about singing to Bobby is very interesting.

Would you mind starting another thread and giving us a full round up of your knowledge in this area?

All the best.

John

Thanks John we got a new thread at http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10194

Hi folks, I was asked on the Forum about the New Book "Brothers" that my recollections of my buddy, Phil Ochs singing Crucifixion for RFK, be a new topic so I decided to grant that request from a young and intelligent Phil Ochs fan.....

In fact here is his post in reply to mine and then we can go where ever we wish if the mystery of Phil makes you wonder.

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QUOTE(Jim Glover @ Jun 6 2007, 08:36 PM)

Of course, there have been some notable exceptions in the Left's coverage of Dallas -- Ramparts magazine in the 60s (as well as the more obscure but important Minority of One journal) and hey, Salon today (I take the blame for that). But by and large it has not been a pretty picture.

David,

Good Luck with your new Book "Brothers".

I would like to let you know, if you haven't read it yet, that Phil Ochs met RFK on an Airliner and sang him his song about the Assassination of his brother and Robert cried.

I remember Phil telling me about this but I can't remember if Phil told him that he was in Dealy Plaza as a "Security Observer".

I kind of doubt if Phil told him because he was afraid of being killed about that fact but who knows because Bobby was probably scared like all of us..

I may be the only one Phil told about it because we shared secrets.

I found Phil's photo from the Documentary on the History Channel and almost everyone I have sent it to thinks it is Phil or his double.

Of course my Family and Phil's do not want to believe that Phil was there because since they were not aware of the secret stuff they do not want to get involved in the war over the conspiracy and like anyone do not have any control over where the truth may lead or how many other lies the government has in still secret files...or maybe truth is in those one million yet to be released documents.

I believe we were both set up to be in Texas when JFK was shot but the fact that I lived to tell the tale makes me think that maybe there were some folks in the CIA or the Mob or whatever who also thought that the truth should come out some day.

If anyone would like to see the photos and compare them with Photos of Phil and me singing at Ohio State two Years earlier, I well share them with the forum.

We are making great progress and if you havent yet seen the photos of the three shells that Mr. Dolva posted, see the dented shell at http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry104042

Jim

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Jim,

It may be a good idea to start a seperate thread on your experiences surrounding the assassination. Althoug I'm 21 I'm a big fan of Phil Ochs The story about singing to Bobby is very interesting.

Would you mind starting another thread and giving us a full round up of your knowledge in this area?

All the best.

John

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Thanks John, for the suggestion and I signed your petition for a Texas Grand Jury on JFK with my comment:

"Justice Delayed means its never too late when it comes to the capital crime of the cover-up of the murder of the President of the USA. So, Let us begin serving Justice now!

The Cover-up is the crime that keeps on taking."

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We Might as well start with the Photos of Phil that I burned off a CD of the History Channel "The Men who Killed Kennedy" .....and No folks, Phil did not shoot John or want anyone to because he just stares into the movie lens like a deer in the headlights.

So in the cause of justice, I need help in how to post those photos..... In the meantime if any of you souls are brave enough to face the truth that has been hidden, I will email the goodies to you pronto....just send me your request to jimglover@verizon.net and if there is any problem with the Mob controlled intertainment industry, just tell them I said it is fair use in the interest of Justice.

Any Questions? seriously but with Joy

Jim

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If anyone would like to see the photos and compare them with Photos of Phil and me singing at Ohio State two Years earlier, I well share them with the forum.

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Jim

I would like to see them Jim.

Please and thank you.

Myra

OK Myra, I hope they come through.

Well I tried to past them in but they do not insert on this page....If you or anyone wants to see them I well send them regular email just let me know.

jimglover@verizon.net

Of course, there have been some notable exceptions in the Left's coverage of Dallas -- Ramparts magazine in the 60s (as well as the more obscure but important Minority of One journal) and hey, Salon today (I take the blame for that). But by and large it has not been a pretty picture.

David,

Good Luck with your new Book "Brothers".

I would like to let you know, if you haven't read it yet, that Phil Ochs met RFK on an Airliner and sang him his song about the Assassination of his brother and Robert cried.

I remember Phil telling me about this but I can't remember if Phil told him that he was in Dealy Plaza as a "Security Observer".

I kind of doubt if Phil told him because he was afraid of being killed about that fact but who knows because Bobby was probably scared like all of us..

I may be the only one Phil told about it because we shared secrets.

I found Phil's photo from the Documentary on the History Channel and almost everyone I have sent it to thinks it is Phil or his double.

Of course my Family and Phil's do not want to believe that Phil was there because since they were not aware of the secret stuff they do not want to get involved in the war over the conspiracy and like anyone do not have any control over where the truth may lead or how many other lies the government has in still secret files...or maybe truth is in those one million yet to be released documents.

I believe we were both set up to be in Texas when JFK was shot but the fact that I lived to tell the tale makes me think that maybe there were some folks in the CIA or the Mob or whatever who also thought that the truth should come out some day.

If anyone would like to see the photos and compare them with Photos of Phil and me singing at Ohio State two Years earlier, I well share them with the forum.

We are making great progress and if you havent yet seen the photos of the three shells that Mr. Dolva posted, see the dented shell at http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry104042

Jim

Thanks folks for all of the amazing evidence!

I think we are on to something big.

Jim

Some months ago I attempted to compare the cartridges in order to see if there were any inconsistencies.

John. This is pretty amazing.

Did you get to handle the cartridges yourself?

If as the diagram shows, the fired shells have a different color than the dented shell and the unfired one.

And also the fact that the unfired shell has a smaller diameter similar to the dented shell seems to imply that the firing of the cartridges makes the lip of the shell a bit wider then the loaded and damaged shell.

I wonder if this has ever been tested.

I also wonder what further tests were done on the shell that was held back if indeed it was held back.

Also I wonder if the Dallas Police had a photo with all 4 shells (three empty and one unfired) all together on the floor in one photo to prove how many were found.

Also I wonder if a metal jacketed bullet like the magic one would explode into dozens of fragments that were in JFK's skull and the ones found in the limousine?

Hi folks,

During all my investigations if the JFK case I have always assumed that some day I can testify in court about the cover-up.

This has meant excluding disinformation whenever possible.

I think I could have erred in my last update of the cover-up by stating that the WC lied about three empty shells found when the Dallas police and FBI records say only two spent shells were found.

Well It seems that the WC may have already covered that in that the 3rd empty shell could have been held back in Dallas for further testing for some unknown reason but here is an explanation of the story on that:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/round.htm

But I found out something else that if true could be just as important and it concerns a dented empty shell which is very hard to dent and would be hard to fire such a shell because it could not held the bullet in place before firing.

see http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/g...nted_shell.html

So maybe the shooter knew he was being set up and left a dented shell behind to prove it.

Jim

Gerry, is Dennis Lynn Harber still alive? Was there anything suspicious about the deaths of Edwin Anderson Collins (1964), James Arthur Lewis (1970) and Steve Wilson (1984). Is it possible that these four men could have been involved in the assassination of JFK?

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John:

The only word I've heard on Harber is that he died in Merida, Mexico years ago.

Edwin Anderson Collins was murdered by Castro "fellow-travelers" upon their discovery of his identity, and just a few weeks after he was tasked to penetrate their "protest march" from Canada, down the east coast, and on to Havana, and GITMO. Steve Wilson and I identified his body at the Medical Examiner's morgue, and when I questioned an assistant there as to the severe lacerations, cuts and bruises on Eddy's face and scalp -- he responded that:

"...This was most likely due to crabs and other critters munching on the corpse post-mortem !!"

Upon my questioning exactly how a corpse [in salt water] might continue to bleed, acquire bruises, and suffer contusions and edema after only 8 hours +/-

in Biscayne Bay [400 yards off the docks of Dinner Key & City Hall] -- police detectives Tony Fontana and Bill Cloy charged into the room demanding to know our purposes.

Eddy Collins was one of our best swimmers, as evidenced when he was blown overboard [sans UDT the same life jacket he is pictured wearing in the No Name Key pix] -- along with Dickey Chappelle, Hargraves, and Felipe Vidal on a Cuba run during early 1964.

Wilson and I tracked down the now hiding boat crew a few days later, and with less than Abu-Ghraib measures, thoroughly "interviewed" them.

Their "official" story to the police was that Eddy was drunk and that he had dived overboard to recover a dinghy which had cast adrift that night. Despite witnesses ashore reporting screams beforehand -- they had insisted that had he uttered one sound they could have turned the boat around, located and recovered him. [they admitted to the police that they had motored to the dock, and "immediately" called the police??] The live-aboard boaters and shrimpers who already knew Eddy over the years, wondered about the great discrepancies in timing, especially the police report [initial call] showing that this was made some 45 minutes after the boaters heard the screams and turned on their searchlights [evidenced in their official log books]. They had asked the "hippies" what was going on only 5 minutes after the screams, and just after the "protestor" boat was being tied to the dock.

Eddy Collins had been recruited by FBI agents [MIA/FO], and John Evans of the "Johns Committee" (Red-Squad) in Tallahassee -- to assist in monitoring the "peace marchers". The "Mounties" [R.C.M.P.] had inserted two assets into the group in Canada, and one of these had operated together with one of our guys, who, the year previous, had worked a joint CSS/RCMP/FBI operation involving Nicaraguans, Cubans, and other foreign nationals embarking on a mission to attend training camps inside Cuba.

This operation was assisted by Col. Arturo Espaillat, Robert Emmett Johnson, and leaders of the right-wing "R'assemblent Nationale" (FRN); who were battling with the Marxist FLQ in Montreal [Front D'Liberation Quebeqous].

However, our guy had suffered blown cover via a Johnson screwup, wasn't interested in the Op, and recommended Eddy in his stead.

Jim Lewis, upon his return from Vietnam during 1970, and while working in Miami with CIA contract agent Tom McCrory (a certified Marine Surveyor), took an interest in yet another treasure trove opportunity -- and it was to be the last of a half dozen well paying previous hunts.

Steve Wilson had been working a couple of months [as an Ironworker] on the Key West desalination plant project, after returning from similar work on the missile silos at Fargo. [because of our security clearances, quite a few of the InterPen "Ironworkers", had first worked on the "Hawk-4B" AAA sites around Miami before "booming out" to Malmstrom, Fargo, etc.]

Wilson found a buddy in a union carpenter by the name of Roger Clark whilst laboring in Key West. He was totally unaware of the fact that Clark had been the erstwhile partner-in-crime with "Murph-the-Surf" [NYC "Star of India" burglary]; and cooperated with Clark in fencing "treasure-trove" gold bars and pancakes which Clark had accidently found near the Florida coast -- "somewhere" in 10 fathoms [2 atmospheres] of gulf waters. The fence was "Kaki" Argomaniz [Honduran Consul General], who was a CIA asset working under Cesar Diosdado, and his boss Wallace D. Shanley -- Miami Customs bossman.

With $40,000 RVN earned money in the bank, Jim Lewis purchased a Beckmann Electro-Lung from California [a rebreather/helium/oxy/nitro SCUBA which required no decompression stops ascending after lengthy dives] -- paid the fee for a company instructor to check him out off Fowery Rocks before the sale could be made -- and behind both mine and Wilson's backs, joined with "Skinny Ralph" Sclafter on a series of dives.

Jim deduced that one of the promising sites might be near Egmont Key, off the entrance to Tampa Bay. His fatal mistake was diving solo [a real "No-No"], leaving "Skinny" in the boat as diver/tender. A SEAL team buddy from 'Nam showed up the day after he went missing [trip paid for by his wealthy Republican mother in California]; and we searched for the body for two days.

Later that week I had a violent disagreement with said SEAL, who suggested that "moi" should have been supervising the scheme more closely -- whereupon "moi" explained that Jim and "Skinny" were "Claim-Jumping" us all.

Weeks later, one of our previous pro bono attorneys [John Bircher]; who had since been appointed U.S. Attorney for the So. Dist. of Florida; was astounded when we confronted him with evidence that he had been in collusion with IRS/CIA/FBI "pogues" in reporting that the treasure trove was actually goods stolen from a private collection, whose owner was extremely reluctant to report same. Clark had supposedly died while driving off of a Key's bridge, [bNR] "Body-Not-Recovered"; however, the IRS was caught jack-hammering the concrete floors of Clark's father's house/Florida Room/Garage without a warrant.

The day of the JFK assassination, Jim Lewis was [as usual] playing Chess at "Little Joe's" apartment by the Miami River -- together with Eddy Collins, "Skinny", Dick Whatley, Bobby Willis, and Bill Dempsey. When Garman started dancing in the street soon after hearing the news from Dallas, Jim chastized him severely [along with Cuban pissed-off neighbors]; He reminded him that just four days before; he had been a member of our security detail for JFK at MIA [Monday, 18th Nov.], and that he had been prepared to "take-a-bullet" for the President !!

Bill Dempsey wasn't on that detail because he was once again in-country illegally; however Whatley had been at MIA with us also.

[Whatley and Lewis didn't accompany us on the Rorke/Sullivan search because they had just returned from British Honduras [belize], and were persona-non-grata there. We had just returned from Guatemala the first week of November 1963]

Dennis Harber came into contact with us because he was a cut-out for ex-Colombia dictator Rojas Pinilla, who, despite our refusing cash donations, insisted on providing emergency housing and credit at grocery stores for the Sturgis "Op-40" group which I inherited post BOP. Ex-Venezuela dictator Perez Jimenez [Marita Lorenz's sugar-daddy] agreed to the same conditions through 1963. Harber was a drunk and homo, thereby precluding even playing a patsy role in any serious scheme, and was excluded from Collins' "peacenik" Op, despite having worked on the "Pirate Radio" Op just weeks before his death.

Steve Wilson died of a cerebral aneurism, as an Ironworker, high above the Miami skyline -- "connecting" up on the "red-iron".

Once again, the innuendo of the InterPen guys being involved somehow in Dealey Plaza. "Dame" Hoover must be grinning right now, despite the severe heat !!

You alleged that I will "...no doubt take (secrets??) to the grave !! And that "...out of loyalty" will protect comrades who have vital information.

Kindly cite any evidence that I have "secrets" that ALL [or specific] private citizens have a right to !!

And per chance you might mention the names of "comrades" who I might be "protecting".

Bernie de Torres' name came from me, and the first time was not with Garrison during 1967, but in a Sunday briefing I gave at Koger Center DEA HQ to Gene Propper, Larry Barcella, Carter Kornick, et al. -- and that was with reference to the perpetrators of the Letelier assassination on "Embassy Row" two months previous. John Cummings [then of NewsDay, NYC] was there on "deep background" at my insistence, and to date has never uttered a word about it.

Cummings was later amused that I had brought Bernie as far as the ATF parking lot across the street, when he bailed-out and ran for a public phone, and called Janet Reno at home to report "some difficulties" !! One of the folks at that briefing later married into my wife's family, something he is still unaware of today. In Gene's book "Labrynth", he styles Bernie as "TB", Fonzi calls him "Carlos".

"Faces-in-Dealey Plaza"; "along-the-parade-route"; "doggie without an umbrella man"; Jesus H. Christ, gimme-a-break and get a life. Massive "Kazakh" conspiracies by the "se-cretin' team" [mucho secretions !!]!!

I can still hear in my head the German speaking voice on the tape at MI/HQ in Central America -- the beaner Colonel asking the interpreter what the dude was laughing about ?? And the words in Spanish "...este asesino dice que nunca fue un nido de franco tirador en el rinconcito...pero esta fue el lugar donde los prietos (negros) se escondio' para ver las fotografias de mujeres desnudas mientras que jugaban la paja" !!

[Translated: This assassin says that there was never a snipers nest in the corner, but that it was a hideout for the "Schwarzes"; where they jerked off while looking at "dirty pictures" (paraphrasing).] This is the guy with the suppressed broom-handle mauser [with wooden shoulder-stock/holster and artillery barrel] whose role I played for Oliver Stone in the movie.

A quikie for the Lieutenant. Yes we screwed up regularly, we used Ron Lippert (Jones), the same way we used Everett Jackson during 1967. We inserted radiological badge film strips in their gear, and this was recovered by assets working out of the Uruguay embassy in Havana. And because of moles that Angleton missed, DGI later mocked them all [including Frank Emmick, et al.] while they did their 10 and 12 years in Fidel's Gulags.

I already had been bitched at by J. A. for some of this, but countered with the SCOTUS rulings on the "law-of-entrapment" -- if one is PREDISPOSED to act in accordance with a scheme beforehand, then there is no entrapment !! Ron was determined to be predisposed by RCMP, Johnson, Espaillat, et al. !! I feel for his daughter's health maladies, and maybe he is right. But it was one of his "Canuck" buddies who smuggled the "Newcastle" vectors into Cuba, forcing Fidel to slaughter all poultry. I raised hell about the African Swine Fever Operation, and gave Cummings the inside track on that.

Just 6 years ago, I raised hell with a buddy in Miami about the crop-duster ferry pilot who was spotted "dusting" a Cuban experimental farm with nasty ass beetkles -- while enroute to Aruba via Jamaica. My Miami guy's sister was Madeline Albright's right-hand person. How the hell could "Clintonites" give a State Dept. contract to a cohort of Mas Canosa ??

Fidel's got 5000+ doctors and nurses in Venezuela. And what have we got, other than money grubbin clowns who can't even pull off a "banana-coup" !!

I am awaiting Arlen Specter [gettin' closer to eternity he is] to switch from denouncing a great paratroopin' Hugo Chavez, and denounce the embargo against Cuba as a "War Crime". [A theoretically/lawful state of belligerency has existed with the U.S. since BOP !!]

Howz dat grabya,

Gerry

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Hi Gerry,

I hope you are doing well.

I wrote you a personal e-mail with some questions about a musical tour bus "Hollywood Hootenanny Tour" which I am still researching and finding strange coincidences besides the fact that I had foreknowledge of the plot on JFK.

A Librarian and historian of Key west recently sent me info on where our main tour bus (there was more then One) when you were protecting JFK on the 18th in Miami.

His message was: "The Hollywood Hootenanny appeared for one night only at the Key West

Kennel Club on November 18, 1963. This was from an ad in the newspaper.

The one review I found liked you act. The Kennel Club was on Stock

Island which is between Key West and Boca Chica, where the Naval Air

Station is located and the cause of the planes flying over."

Does this info jog memories at all?

Thanks, Jim

Hello David

Yes. there are very many "strange" possible connections.

I however have been prone to maintain that many possible connections have been purposely implanted into this case, by agents of the conspiracy, to muddy up the water. I feel that the continued success of this cover however relates back to the very simplicity of its basics.

I will agin briefly repeat what I think those basics are / were.

1) only a handful at the very top who were essential to the COVER (not the shooting) had to be in place. These few did not even know the specifics of the "kill"!

2) Below them was "the" planner coordinator.

3) Then degrees of the typical intelligence agency multi layering, that insured that those involved knew no more than "their own" particular role.

4) Persons with the ability to terminate threats...these persons would have no idea of the "WHY" of their hits.

This is why I am one of the few who believe that the introduction of Mafia and Anti Castros was only a clever and successful tactic to misdirect thinking and investigation.

There was nothing that the Mafia or the Anti Castros could provide that couldn't have been better and more surely handled by trusted government assets. The "TONGUES" of the mobsters and Cubans was too hard to control. They were bragging about the hit while not even having anything to do with it. All that they knew is what was purposely trickled down to them to satisfy them that "the thing" was going to happen.

The total "brilliance and continued success" of this Coup was a result of its "Simplicity". The research community has self destructed as a result of not believing this pure simplicity !

This of course is just "my speculation"!

Charlie Black

Hi Folks,

From my experience with this plot from even before it happened, I agree that all of the possible groups, even if they had motive, were also needed to insure the cover-up at the top for "national Security" which was the line LBJ took in order to take the investigation out of the hands of Dallas Police and Texas Attorney General because they kept coming up with evidence that proved a conspiracy.

Now we know that the Dallas Police files and the evidence received by the FBI was that only two spent cartridges were found in the "6th floor nest". Oswald had no nitrate or gunpowder on his body for shooting a rifle or a pistol.

There is no proof that any bullet went through JFK's back and came out his throat because the hole in JFK's back was only half a finger deep.

Also no blood on the magic bullet and the fact that dozens bullet fragments were found in JFK's skull from a bullet or two that exploded and the magic bullet was designed not to explode and is the reason for the metal jacket. Also fragments left in Connely and nothing comparable missing from the magic bullet.

All this and more adds up to the cover-up which is the much bigger crime ( a coup in essence).

as long as we keep focusing on "who shot John" instead of the crime of cover-up, we are playing the conspirators game.

There are still a million documents that are secret so how can we tell who did it before we prosecute the crime of the cover-up which is the main obstacle to finding out who all pulled the triggers.

Jim

According to the old Spotlight newspaper, in some articles published in the early 1990s (I think, not sure about the exact date), when the KGB archives began to be opened and released publicly, it was discovered that Gus Hall had been paid millions of dollars over the decades directly by the Soviet government. The Spotlight, published by Liberty Lobby, certainly had its own agenda, and has been branded as anti-semitic by many, but if this story is accurate, it certainly should cause us to view all supposed "radical" leaders in a different light. Much like the rumors that feminist leader Gloria Steinem was actually an employee of the CIA, or the reports that many of the radical leaders of the 1960s were financed by the huge foundations, this is perhaps is another indication that we should pause and be a bit more skeptical of any "outsider" or "reformer" that suddenly bursts onto the scene.

I would take anything in the Spotlight 'with a grain of salt'. That being said it wouldn't at all surprise me if he as head of the CPUSA which which beholded to the Soviet CP was on the Russian payroll. I don't know how this would be a reflection on other radicals. John seemed to be hinting at the opposite, that Hall was backed by reactionaries.

I believe there was false reporting and propaganda on all sides. My first thought on that is sure Gus could have lied to me about Rothchild Bank or maybe it was a boast about the funding but if Russia was sending Gus millons or any money, it would have to be known to all the spies in and out of the party and he would have been in jail for that and if it was confirmed by the KGB, that would have been more reason for him to be arrested for being a paid agent of Russia. Do you think the FBI and CIA would miss a great propaganda coup about why the cold war spying on all the movements of the left which were accused by the right wing of being commie dups was justified?.... Well for some mysterious reason they let Gus and the CPUSA off the hook.

Now if it was the Bank or a group of banks, I think Russia and the US would keep that under wraps ...maybe I am just not informed enough on this but the accusation from Liberty Lobby is that Russia knew and they have proof to put away the CPUSA for good but the US government lets a huge propaganda victory for the Cold War slide.....I don't think so.

Jim

During the Great Depression in the 1930s a large number of young people were attracted to the American Communist Party. Capitalism seemed to have failed and with the growth of fascism in Europe it seemed that revolutionary socialism was the only answer. Members included people like John Reed, William Z. Foster, James Cannon, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, Ella Reeve Bloor. These were basically good people who cared about their fellow human-beings.

A high percentage of members were immigrants living in and around New York City. There were also a large number involved in the arts including Elia Kazan, Erskine Caldwell, John Dos Passos, Howard Fast, Pete Seeger, Clifford Odets, Larry Parks, John Garfield, Howard Da Silva, Gale Sondergaard, Joseph Bromberg, Richard Wright, Dalton Trumbo, Richard Collins, Budd Schulberg, Herbert Biberman, Lester Cole, Albert Maltz, Edwin Rolfe, Adrian Scott, Samuel Ornitz, Paul Jarrico, Edward Dmytryk, Ring Lardner Jr., John Howard Lawson, Alvah Bessie, Claude McKay, Michael Gold and Robert Minor.

The largest vote recorded by the American Communist Party was for William Z. Foster in the presidential election in 1932. Foster polled 102,991 votes, but Norman Thomas, the Socialist Party candidate, polled seven times that figure. Earl Browder was the candidate for the next two elections but did badly: 1936 (80,195) and 1940 (46,251).

The reason that the American Communist Party did so badly was its support for Stalin in the Soviet Union. If you remained a member you had to support Stalin's policy of eliminating those members of the party who supported Trotsky's view of the need for world revolution. Stalin took the view of "socialism in one country". It is interesting to read the right-wing press on Stalin in the 1930s. They were of course all in favour of the purges and the show trials. The main fear in the US was that socialism would be exported to America. The ruling classes in the UK took a similar view. It was Trotsky rather than Stalin that got the bad press.

After the war people had no excuses for supporting Stalin. The 1930s purges in the Soviet Union was followed by the persecution of the left in Eastern Europe. "Socialism in one country" had been changed to "Soviet style communism in all territory under Stalin's control".

Gus Hall was the leader of the American Communist Party after the war. He ran for president in 1968 but received only 1,075 votes. He was also the party's candidate in 1972 and 1976 when he obtained 58,992 votes. In 1984 his vote dropped to 36,386 votes. He deserved no better. Hall had played his part in conspiring against the possibility of world socialism.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAcommunist.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAhallG.htm

I myself wouldn't be so rough on Gus....How would anyone end up a hero surronded by spies of every kind good or bad.

Gus Hall came over to visit once when I was older, probably in the 60s and I asked him if Russia funds the Party and He laughed and said something about the Rothchilds or Rothchild Bank......

If the FBI had the majority of members...well that might be a exageration...but what about all the other federal and foreign agencys that the FBI weren't even allowed to control or monitor ...they were in there too. The Rothchild comment leads me to wonder who controls the US government.. Don't you think the big World Banks have a big say too?

They seem to have as much or more than ever today. War is a business... a legal rackett since nobody but a handful of losers at Nuremberg has ever been punished for profiting from or promoting war. Security and Fear is the goose that lays the golden egg.

Divide and Conquer has always been the MO of the Ruling Class.

I think some wealthy people now may be catching on to how this War business is bad in the end for them and the Planet.

We are now at the cross roads...Maybe someday soon we will learn.

A great verse to Phil Och's song, "The Power and Glory" which I think was given to him by Theodore Bikel goes:

OUR WORLD IS STILL RULED BY MEN WHO HAVE TO HATE, THEY TWIST AWAY OUR FUTURE AND THEY TWIST AWAY OUR FATE

FEAR IS THEIR WEAPON AND TERROR IS THEIR CRY...WE CAN STOP EM' IF WE TRY.

Andy of the New Limelighters told me about Bikel's verse a few weeks ago at the Fogartyville Cafe in Bradenton Florida and I think Theo even told me about that in NYC more than 20 years ago and the New Limelighters added the word "Terror" instead of "Treason" which makes for another great Phil Ochs song improved by the Folk Process.

Jim

Gus Hall came over to visit once when I was older, probably in the 60s and I asked him if Russia funds the Party and He laughed and said something about the Rothchilds or Rothchild Bank......

If the FBI had the majority of members...well that might be a exageration...but what about all the other federal and foreign agencys that the FBI werent even allowed to control or monitor ...they were in there too. The Rothchild comment leads me to wonder who controls the US government? Don't you think the big World Banks have a big say too?

They seem to have as much or more than ever today. War is a business... a legal rackett since nobody but a handful of losers at Nuremberg has ever been punished for profiting from or promoting war. Security and Fear is the goose that lays the golden egg.

Divide and Conquer has always been the MO of the Ruling Class.

I think some wealthy people now may be catching on to how this War business is bad in the end for them and the Planet.

We are now at the cross roads...Maybe someday soon we will learn.

A great verse to Phil Och's song, "The Power and Glory" which I think was given to him by Theodore Bikel goes:

OUR WORLD IS STILL RULED BY MEN WHO HAVE TO HATE, THEY TWIST AWAY OUR FUTURE AND THEY TWIST AWAY OUR FATE

FEAR IS THEIR WEAPON AND TERROR IS THEIR CRY...WE CAN STOP EM' IF WE TRY.

Andy of the New Limelighters told me about Bikel's verse a few weeks ago at the Fogartyville Cafe in Bradenton Florida and I think Theo even told me about that in NYC more than 20 years ago and the New Limelighters added the word "Terror" instead of "Treason" which makes for another great Phil Ochs song improved by the Folk Process.

Jim

Sorry this was another repeat so please scroll down to the next one.

Jim

Sorry, I am trying to delete this post by me because i did not know how to post properly and it just repeated itself.

Jim

I am still performing Folk Music mostly around Florida. I was born in Cleveland Ohio in 1942. I was the guy who got Phil Ochs started in Folk music at Ohio State in Columbus in 1960. I also was Jim of the duo Jim and Jean for the rest of the 60's

My interest in Politics and intrigue began when I was about 5 or 6 in Cleveland when my Dad was a Fellow Traveler in CPUSA and his friend Gus Hall was hiding out in our attic. Gus and his side kicks would talk to me about the coming revolution. There were many spies around and I would get in trouble for my loose lips.

Many strange things happened to me concerning the Cold War and I first became aware around those early years when a man with a bossy attitude came to our house and asked me to come down to the basemant to watch as my dad was tossing CP membership records in the furnace. He looked down at me and said "Jim, remember this...don't ever forget this!". I looked down at his left foot next to mine and saw his special black cut off shoe with no room for the front of his foot. I saw him limp back up the stairs and as he loaded his pipe, he gave my Dad instuctions on what to do next and I then went with my Dad as he made the rounds of his friends in the Party.

My Dad told me before he died that the Man was named Jack LeBlanc, a CP man from France.....but I remember he had no accent.

Not too many years ago while watching a documentary on JFK, down the street in Dealy Plaza came a group of the Warren Commission. The camera focused for a second on the limping man's foot and Bingo, he was wearing the same shoe and it was Allen Dulles...The same guy who fooled me and my Dad and so my Dad was unknowingly following the instuctions of the man who became head of the CIA.

About 4 or 5 years later George Bush and his little son, W, were in town when we were living in Willowick O. They would come by and watch me and my friends play football at the Park on the Lake and the golf course on Lake shore drive.

One day my friend Johnny Yakel said that the man liked us and wanted us to be in a new Allen Ladd movie.

I went over to Johnny's Moms house and Big George came in the living room dressed in a cowboy dude outfit and we were alone while Mrs Yakel waited in the kitchen. We talked about our shared ancestors in the English Throne and the new movie Ivanhoe, but instead of us being in a movie, George started talking about the White Hats and Black hats and the need for National Security and some Communist spy case and he wanted me to keep track of who comes to visit our house and let him know who.

My Folks were on vacation...and I was crying on the way home and told my grandma Cohen and she said in her yiddish accent, "the Bastards, they are startin again".

When I complained to my Folks they both ignored me and always pretended that eveything was fine but I was always supposed to be careful what I said and on the phone ect. My friend Johnny came over on his bike one day and said that the man beat him with a strap and wanted him to stay away from me because my Grandma Cohen was a bad person. I know she did call someone and even though my folks would not do anything about the man beating Johnny, the FBI came over but my dad would not talk to them.

A friend at school told me that the man was Civil Air Patrol and other kids said he thought he was like a George Washington and Believe it or not, Mrs Yakel told me he was doing this because he thought it would help him be President some day! She said he was in the Oil business and his Dad was some big shot.

One day I asked Big George if this was all about Russia and he said something like "Oh no, we do business with Russia too"...

A teacher at my school, who knew my folks, said it was happening because my parents were Stooges for the Communist Party.

Anyway this kind of intrigue continued all my life and it even lead up to my being set up with my friend Phil Ochs for stuff happening around the JFK assassination.

Since this is a bio I probably should mention that I was a write-in candidate for Prez in the 92 election on a platform of "Lets End CIA Control of our Lives and for the release all JFK records. And yes I have written to every branch of our government about my observations of the JFK case too.