Martin Hinrichs

Todd

In these Bell frames it appears to shows a car and a motorcycle on the west side of the overpass.

Any idea who this motorcycle cop is.

I did ask Gary Mack once but he wasn't sure !

I believe that would be Smart or Dale.

Thanks Todd.

To be honest i am not familiar with Smart & Dale.

Todd how far back in the motorcade were they positioned. ?

and do you knoe what car smart or Dale were riding next to in the Bell frame i posted. ?

I am confused as to the exact Timeline of the crowd scenes in this series of Bell frames.

According to Todd, there were riding close to the Contintal Trailways White House Press bus.

That was the second bus so far Robin.

Thanks Martin

So as a Timeline are we only talking about a couple of minutes after the Limo went through the Underpass !

You nailed it Robin.

Which Cop is this seen in Bothun. ?

Thats Officer Hargis who examined the grassy knoll for a moment( who was splattered with blood) and stopped briefly my friend.

That moment shows how he sped up again after his stop.

Todd

In these Bell frames it appears to shows a car and a motorcycle on the west side of the overpass.

Any idea who this motorcycle cop is.

I did ask Gary Mack once but he wasn't sure !

I believe that would be Smart or Dale.

Thanks Todd.

To be honest i am not familiar with Smart & Dale.

Todd how far back in the motorcade were they positioned. ?

and do you knoe what car smart or Dale were riding next to in the Bell frame i posted. ?

I am confused as to the exact Timeline of the crowd scenes in this series of Bell frames.

According to Todd, there were riding close to the Contintal Trailways White House Press bus.

That was the second bus so far Robin.

OIC, so Robin is to blame for the,

"Photoshopped filtered overly sharpened mega grainy JPEG Incredible Hulkerized GREEN tinted image"

Shame on you Robin!

I mean you do believe Duncan's assessment don't you Martin? Neither you nor any of your friends disputed it, so it seems you have no quarrel with his claim as you do with so many of mine

As for "grain and noise" that is only because you can blow it up to a higher degree than the low res version you guys have been touting and see more detail, in spite of the noise. At equivalent dimensions, the higher res version displays much less distortion.

As I said over and over again it is the best version of that photo that is publicly available. You might consider simply acknowledging that I am correct and that your vendetta-driven friend is as usual, totally full of crap.

Robert, my posting has nothing to do with Duncan's assessment. I only believe that the Thompson version is taken from a negative which is.... obviously better. Not everybody who disagree with you on some subjects is your enemy.

My included. When we would telephone and you would hear my voice it would be clear.

I like a lot of your research and of course i believe in a conspiracy as you as well. You give your supporters sometimes

a very hard time. Sad.

Martin

Todd

In these Bell frames it appears to shows a car and a motorcycle on the west side of the overpass.

Any idea who this motorcycle cop is.

I did ask Gary Mack once but he wasn't sure !

I believe that would be Smart or Dale.

Exactly that would be my guess too.´

Todd, i think what the whole motorcade regards, you are an authority.

It should be noted that Richard B. Trask used you as a reference of his motorcade listing in POTP.

Respect!

But allow me critic. You and your brothers sketch on page 146 in POTP is worth a .....i better say nothing.

It has nothing to do with any real geometry. At first i thought....wow Richard used such a drawing in his great book.

Anyway

best

Martin

I'm not sure why anyone would be seeking a better Thompson version. This much higher resolution photo has been sitting at my website for years and is freely available to everyone.

Robert, what you are posting here again and again i most likely the Corbis purchase from Robin Unger.

It's by far so most used cause it it's really highres but it contains of lot of grain and noise.

The Thompson copy is in it's clarity a top of all. The pity is: We don't have a high resoultion version of fit.

Someone should contact Josiah. If nobody will do it the next days, i'll PM him.

So, when you post this Altgens6 image again, feel free to give Robin Credit for it.

best

Martin

Look for this woman in Betzner's photo and you will see her arm raised and holding that rolled up newspaper.

Bill, with all respect, here you are mistaken.

Lady 8 is wearing a kind of apron and not holding a newspaper.

best

Martin

Hi Chris

What i had in mind is something similar to the GIF i posted with the Doorman frame overlaid on the 1968 Dealey Plaza image.

but profesionally done.

My effort was somewhat rushed so as to give an example of where i was coming from.

In Dorman we see the motorcycle almost sitting on the white lane marker ( that white lane marker should be visible from another perspective )

as it is in the 1968 image.

the other Dorman frame gives us a good indication of the distance from the curb to the first motorcycle, second motorcycle, and from that we should be able to pinpoint the approx positions of the limo and follow up car by cross referencing the two Dorman frames i provided.

I think the white road stripe is the key.

Hi Robin,

i don't know if thats it was in your mind but i had no better idea to work it out.... at first.

At first i tried to overlay several key frames from Dorman in a footage frame from "Murder in Dealey Plaza".

This frame from the DVD provides to my knowledge the only camera take from exactly this window on the fourth floor where

Elsie Dorman was filming from. Gary Mack and the son (?) of Elsie Dorman simulated her activities in 2002-2003.

In the end i was not very satiesfied cause it shows not the turn, just fractions but nevertheless for fun i did that

composition. Who knows for what this might be good for in the future.

Please click on the image cause it's reduced to 40%. Just the 100% view reveal all details.

Whats by far better and accurate is a composition i've created in my DP Map via CAD. It's for scale and above all,

i've reworked the street stripes on ELM with the configuration of 1963. I have a good source (sorry i'am not allowed to tell) and i've verfied it with various photographs from 1963 and to be honest, i'am happy with it.

It includes the SS-100-X (presidential limousine), the SS-679-X (SS Follow Up Car) and the motorcycles of Martin and Hargis

and their relevant locations on Houston and Elm based upon our fix points (which we already worked out together) in the Elsie Dorman and the Tina Towner film.

Sorry, i have no way of knowing how the positions of Police motorcyclists Jackson and Chaney were, cause they were not recorded in that moment of time.

Here it is:

Please click on the image to enlarge it.

best to you

Martin

Duncan /Bill

Is this the Thompson Altgens 6

Click on thumbnail:

Yes, that's it Robin.

Hi Duncan.

Thanks for the Clarification.

Those 3-Images came from Josiah's Photobucket website, so i assumed they were from the Thompson Print.

Thanks Robin,

i believe a highres Version of this Thompson Altgens has the potential to solve all the left mysteries in it.

Amazing collection of photographs. Some of them I've never seen before.

Thank you, Martin.

Lots more at the link below:

Thx David. I saved a lot on my disk.

I believe this is your favourite from Jackie:

Well, i understand it. It's great.

Martin

JFK IN FORT WORTH ON 11/22/63

JFK ARRIVES IN DALLAS ON 11/22/63

I've added 96 photos to the two blogs linked above, including these two gorgeous pictures from LIFE Magazine that I had never seen prior to this week:

Wow!

Amazing collection of photographs. Some of them i've never seen before.

Thank you David.

So someone actually took time to add that detail to the logo on the flag. O.K. !!!!

I guess detail was added to the stonework of the TSBD, in the upper right side of the photo, too.

Or, maybe the newspaper version is a copy from a better generation Altgen's, than what is available, regardless of what doctoring/airbrushing/ etc,etc was done to the original.

chris

This details the problem with using repro images to judge photo quality, too many unknowns to make a firm conclusion. In your example of the z frames in Life yes they do look different but why? Is the original film different? Where there differences in the quality of the dupe photos from the original frames? Were the sep films shot differently? Did the guys at the film stripping table get the the one page slighlty out of register? Where the forms on which each page was placed tun on a different press? On a different day? By a different pressman? Was a printing plate out of register? Did they make adjustments to the color fountains to compensate for an ad images that ran just above or below the z frames on the form? Did they use makeready pages in bindery, made while getting the press "up to color"?

I know you do prepress, were you around pre-digital? When sep films were made in a process camera and films cut and pasted, by color layer, by guys using razor blades and red litho tape? Lots of silly things happened in this workflow. Heck even today with current tech and the best presses and pressmen around its still a crapshoot when you have the same image span two pages and jump the gutter. Getting both halfs to match is nutty. I have piles of examples of the same image in a brochure looking different from one page to the next.

Craig, sorry for being off topic.

Is my memory playing tricks with me or do your posting show up much later?

I was sure there was no posting from you hours ago, but now it's up. Did that happen always or am i mistaken?

I may have missed many of your previous postings as well. Not sure

Anyway

best

Martin

So Duncan, Roy Truly in your opinion isnt worth a shred?

Did Truly lie? Do you believe him on anything else that day (Like seeing Oswald in Lunchroom with Baker)?

Or did he just lie about the Limo?

Dean, i believe as Duncan too, that Roy Truly was mistaken at this point.

I believe he is honest but his memory is not supporting the photographic evidence.

This would be Jim Towner, Tina Towner and the Elsie Dorman film. Thats too much.

Thanks Duncan for pasting my quoting.

best to you Dean and Duncan

Martin

Martin

I will try carefully to get each frame, and i will post them on this thread

Wonderful Robin.

I'll be of assistance regarding the motocycles and also the SS-100-X & Queen Mary turn on my DP map (the other thread)

Gimmie just some time. Can take some days (much to do here )

The man and his wife, as well as the man seen running in Zapruder, can be seen here running for cover in this Bell 7-frame GIF.

Click on the thumbnail to view full size:

Thank you Robin. Is this from Oswald's Ghost?

I ask, cause i don't own this DVD. Good quality.

Are there a few frames missing in the 7-frame GIF, Robin?

I would love to stable it, cause somehow it looks to me that Hickey had drawn his automatic

rifle before the Queen Mary reached the Underpass, which would make S.M. Hollands testimony almost

bulletproof.

Thanks forward mate.

Martin

Interesting. Thanks. I think it's going to be a while before e-book readers are so ubiquitous that the cost will be that low. and I wonder if DVD players are that low because the they are outdated by the advent of blu-ray players. which would mean that something better would have to be on the market for e-books to become that cheap. I suppose the iPad and the Sony Reader as well as others have already started bringing competition to the market.

we'll see.

The iPad&Co and the future generations of them will become a revolution in the book market, Otto.

Imagine you can blow up an image , watch enhanced stable GIF's and walk through virtual scenes....in a book.

Nothing can beat that. Greetings from Harry Potter.

best to you

Martin

Chris / Martin

What is see is a small BLACK shape appearing in frame 8

Thanks Robin,

can you possibly rectangle the area in this Bronson Crop scanned from TKOAP Groden?

Thanks a lot.

Martin

Chris

In your Bronson GIF i noticed two things.

(1)- the Toni Foster "side step" as can be seen in the nix frames.

(2)- something happening in the East pergola area,just near the Hesters

looks like a man walking out of the left side of the pergola, possible Charles Hester on the move ?

Click on Attachment:

(2)- something happening in the East pergola area,just near the Hesters

Robin thats a good question.

I believe this a motion caused by the sitting Beatrice Hester (possibly a reflection on her bag) close after

the headshot.

Here a Crop of Chris's great GIF enhanced.

best

Martin

Edit: After watching the Bronson Still photo it looks like she was standing.

[You banned me because you and your thugs had NO answers or refutations to the fact that a shot was fired at 285.

Thats just ludicrous. Bob, your doing yourself not a favour with that kind of words.

Very nice summary, Martin.

Thank you Duncan

Now the next step....

and here the equivalent Towner film frame to Towner Still frame where JFK looked startled (according to you).

and here JFK the moment he raised his hands.

23 frames later. 1.3 seconds later. Thats not working.

Show me your analysis and your numbers, Martin. I am disappointed that you would claim that you see nothing unusual about his face then, but I guess the human mind can do strange things.

No need to be disappointed Bob. That kind of things happend too often JFK Assassination boards.

Here in this first posting the locations of Jim and Tina Towner extracted from Dorman intruded to

my map.

Now we have to step into the second posting cause just two images allowed to upload (and thats a mess here )

It might also be helpful to study JFK's face in a photo taken by Tina's father at the same instant that she was filming his reactions and compare that with his face in Duncan's video.

I don't know what you see in this Towner Still photo, Bob?

Are you aware that there is a serious time gap between the Jim Towner Still photo

and the Tina Towner film frames were JfK raised his right hand?

It is hard to believe that JFK's reaction (alleged) time was that slow.

Martin

2-frame GIF

quickly put together GIF approx scaling

Absolutely keen eye Robin

We know now at what marks the SS-100-X made the turn.

Here in this Towner frame you can see the Queen Mary has still it's left front tire slightly rotated,

making the turn bumber at bumper with the limo. Look at the stripe. Just over it.

Even in the re-enactemt the car made a wider turn than the SS-100-X and has no trouble with the Island on Elm.

Watching the Tina Towner film how close and fluent the presidential limo made the turn, let

me believe that Roy Truly was mistaken.

best to you

Martin

Robert,

In regards to the Towner film.

I have created a video looping back and forth for you.

When JFK stops waving and starts to put his hand down, he also starts the closing of it.

I believe this is pretty much normal for most people to do, especially when the elbow is more than likely supported by an object.

In fact, sitting at my desk with my elbow on it, imitating a waving motion then terminating the wave, the most natural motion for me, is to start closing my wave into a gradual fist, while lowering it.

I would say this is subjective at best.

chris

http://98.155.3.209:8400/99823/Towner.mov

Chris, fantastic stable section of the Towner film.

What is your source of the best Towner frames?

Thanks

Martin