Jeanie Dean

Thanks for the St. Patrick greeting and the link to the perfectly lovely song on you tube. I'm an Irish American with relatives in the Carroll clan and an occasional student of Irish history. Even though St. Patrick had a great influence on Ireland. He was not the first christian saint but more an emissary of the Church of Rome sent to control the emerging Irish Christianity built on the Druidic tradition. When Patrick arrived several Druidic colleges had already converted to and were teaching Christianity. Sadly just as the libraries of Alexandria were burned, many Druidic and/or Christian colleges and libraries were destroyed by the dictates of Rome. Few Pre-Patrick texts exist, even though several Greek references attest to Pre-Christian Greeks visiting Ireland to read Irish texts, so the early academic tradition is known. The Irish were among the first European to convert to Christianity in the first century AD. It is claimed that one of the three wise men was in fact a Druid. As it is now recognized that trade between the Mideast and the British isles was common in the ancient world, this claim is not so fantastic. Early Christian exchange occurred when James the son of Zebedee preached in Ireland and returned to Jerusalem with nine Irish converts. From the hero of the Ulaid in the Ulster Cycle ---Conal Cearnach, there is an account of his visit to Jerusalem and conversion of the Irish Chief Conor Mac Nessa, during the time of Christ. There are famous Irish bishops before Patrick. For instance there are Palladius, and St. Declan who was among the four Pre-Patrick Bishops to resist Patrick and the intrusion of the Church of Rome. See also St. Jerome's scathing criticism of Irish/Scotus Bishop St. Celestius, the disciple of Pelagius. Celestius also debated with Augustine and was excommunicated by the Council of Ephesius for his stand against doctrine of the early church. So Patrick's ministry is a mixed blessing. Happy Day. Some of this material is from the Story of Irish Race Seumus MacManaus 1944.

I'll have to add this name to my search roster.

THANKS FOR THE CORRECTIONS. I CAN BLAME IT ON FIRING OFF A FAST ANSWER AND A CASE OF A FUZZY HEAD FLU. Jeanie, it was William Colby, not Richard Helms, who was fired in part for cooperating too much with the Church Committee. Richard Helms (not Jesse who was a Senator) was replaced by Nixon, several years earlier, in part for his refusing to let the CIA take the fall for the Watergate break-in, as Nixon had hoped he would do.

I think these activities would be run by a special office or task force at the CIA executive level led by officers whose skills included planning and running covert operations. I can see the demoted Bill Harvey who developed the concept of Manchurain Candidate or David Atlee Philips propoganda expert easily running back-room ops for the JFK cover-up. Heck there may still be an intelligence apparatus for the JFK cover-up still in force. Please note author Sprague and others point out George W. Bush was named head of the CIA during the House Assasination Committee Investigations to replace Jesse Helm because Helms was cooperating too much with the Committee. Once Poppy Bush took over the investigations ground to a stop.

Interesting photos of Grant Stoockdale & JFk at Leestockdale.com There are interesting photos of Grant Stockdale and JFk at http://leestockdale.com/askNot.html. One photo shows Stockdale whispering in JFK's ear. Given the photo and report about RFK asking Stockdale to investigate the loading of bombs in military airplanes one might think Stockdale had a sensitive role providing intelligence to Kennedy.

Grant's Stockdale's son Lee announced Screenplay about his father and JFK

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Kerry Thornley's role is one of the most bizarre elements in the JFK debate. Did Kerry Thornley know David Ferrie? Garrison seemed to think they were implicated together. Is there evidence linking Kerry Thornley and David Ferrie? Now here's a joke --- Are there pictures of Thornley in Dealey Plaza? My first question is genuine. Comments on Thornley & Ferrie?

I'm Jeanie Dean and glad to join this discussion. I'm a poet, researcher, educator, collage artist, and former computer analyst with an M.A. in English. My research topics include, Irish history, Modernism, Metaphysics, Indian Mounds, Archeo-astronomy, Cognitive Science, World Religions, the JFK Assassination, Shakespeare, and Poetry, with an eclectic and holistic approach. In 1963 after reading every inch of newsprint available on the assassiNation and watching all the TV coverage, I surmised then at the tender age of eight years old, that the assassiNation of John Kennedy and murder of Lee Oswald was a scripted plot. During the 1970s, I started writing a poetry book on the assassination of JFK titled One Silver Dollar. The first poem was "Abortion of the Great American Dream". For two decades in November I hosted a memorial poetry reading for JFK. I teach college English and in the fall, my students do a research project on the assassination. Many students, to their credit, have found their way to the Spartacus website. I continually study the assassinations along with other subjects and sometimes write new poems on my research. Presently I'm interested in photographic studies and the photo/film archives by Robert Groden, Richard James and others. I am grateful to the many generous researchers who have posted assassination information on the internet including this forum.