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Hey Mike,
Do you believe all the shots were fired by a single assassin?
Martin
Martin,
Absolutely unequivocally YES.
Those shots and their trajectory lead to a point of origin within a 20" circle of the 6th floor window in the TSBD.
Mike,
As a point of logic, you are speaking of "shots" as though that terminology [as you infer it to mean] is relevant to this discussion! In other words, it is a circular argument. Your conclusion includes "facts not in evidence" outside of the original inquiry, yet incorporates them within your conclusion as though they were arrived at independently from the original debate.
Are you relying on medical/wound forensics at all? Are you considering eyewitness and earwitness testimony at all? It appears that you are not including data in your analysis that in any way might challenge your pre-determined conclusions.
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Great stuff, Steve--and a lot of food for thought.
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I will be adding a series of studies comparing the definitive DPD mug shot with
photos made in Russia.
Each person may examine the comparisons and decide individually whether
the Dallas Oswald and the Russian Oswald are the same.
More will follow as I do them.
Jack
Here is another.
That one is laughably ridiculous.
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I'll start this with an excerpt from the S.M. Holland interview.
http://98.155.2.255:8400/F3DEA/HOLLAND.mov
Please note his description of the sound difference between shots.
chris
Holland says the 4th shot was much louder than the 3rd shot.
Bill Newman's reaction is to the loudest shot.
Newman sees and describes the 313 shot, but his reaction in Nix indicates a response to the later shot.
chris
Chris,
I tend to believe that the location of Z-313 (physically marked on the street) is erroneous. I further believe that the Z-film frames are less than reliable [read:INACCURATE] when used as a baseline to determine...ummmm--just about anything! It is not an accurate "time clock" for starters, for numerous reasons. Unfortunately, it is "just close enough" to occupy our attention in an attempt to discover the truth, only to disappoint in the end. However, close scrutiny reveals little about reality, beyond the fact that the perpetrators were very thorough.
The alteration of the Zapruder film is probably the single most effective element of the ongoing cover up [obstruction of justice] in the assassination of John F Kennedy. It sends even sincere researchers down the wrong path...
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That was my mistake, Jack. Judyth had them bunched together, so I separated
them and added the identification of what we were viewing. I said "drivers'
license" when I should have said "military ID". But I think the claim that he
did not drive is false. I will invite Judyth to address that issue here shortly.
Jim,
I recall from my interview with Judyth that she has a clear memory of LHO driving. She didn't mention any "drivers' license" as far as I can remember, but she did tell me that he drove. I have no RELIABLE independent evidence that confirms or refutes her claim.
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Hey Dean,
Pay for the shipping and I'll lend you my copy.
Greg thank you so much for your kind offer but I would like to own the book
If that means paying $70.00 from The Last Hurrah then I will do that because I know how important this book is and I should have bought it when it came out but I kept slacking while the price kept rising
Im glad I didnt do that with all the other books I own that are now sell for top dollar
I guess I will have to sleep on the couch for a night
Its worth it
The book was $50 when it came out. It is on e-bay for $135 plus postage. I have seen it as high as $250. It is a huge book with a cd and comes with a sleeve. Both Shelby and Andy are good to get it through. I believe only 2000 copies were printed so its value will only increase.
Best,
Doug Weldon
If nothing else, it is an invaluable resource, at the very least. Although it is highly unlikely that any author will be 100% "on the mark" in all of their conclusions--still, some works are "over the top" in their contribution. This is one of them, IMO.
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That one...
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To my eye, it looks like Toni & Bill react at approximtely frame #322 as numbered on your film. I can't see Zapruder's reaction (if any) clearly enough to venture a guess as to frame number.
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EDIT: I just re-checked the remainder of what I posted earlier [below]. I will need to study it further. I am less certain about this now than I was earlier.
What I find very interesting--as I've said before--is the relative SIZE of Zapruder as compared to people seen in the foreground. Closer objects should appear larger than objects of relatively the same size that are farther away. He seems awfully tall using that standard.
But, I digress, that's a topic for a different thread.
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When do Toni Foster and Bill Newman react in Nix, in relation to the frame #?
There is a frame count in red for the time period I'm concerned with.
http://98.155.2.255:8400/FCBD7/NIX_FILMING1.gif
chris
Sorry, but I'm unable to tell as the gif is very shaky.
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I'll start this with an excerpt from the S.M. Holland interview.
http://98.155.2.255:8400/F3DEA/HOLLAND.mov
Please note his description of the sound difference between shots.
chris
[paraphrased] He says the sound from the shots (reports) were of different volume and there were four shots. The first, second, and fourth "reports" were noticebly louder than the third--and the third and fourth reports occured almost simultneously.
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Hey Dean,
Pay for the shipping and I'll lend you my copy.
Greg thank you so much for your kind offer but I would like to own the book
If that means paying $70.00 from The Last Hurrah then I will do that because I know how important this book is and I should have bought it when it came out but I kept slacking while the price kept rising
Im glad I didnt do that with all the other books I own that are now sell for top dollar
I guess I will have to sleep on the couch for a night
Its worth it
Dean,
You might want to try Shelby DellaRosa first. I don't know if she has any available for sale at JFKresearch, but if so (and if the price is right) I'm sure she'd appreciate the revenue.
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Hi Mark,
Welcome to the forum. The last time I heard you speak was over 30 years ago when you were on the same stage with Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, I believe. I'm looking forward to reading your assessment of many of the topics being discussed here.
Greg
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Hey Dean,
Pay for the shipping and I'll lend you my copy.
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Gerry and I became close friends for a period spanning a little over a decade. Of the 100's of hours that we talked to each other, two especially stand out in my mind, although there were many memorable converstions. The first of the two took place on the morning of 9/11/2001. Gerry phoned me at my home in San Diego, CA from his home in Fayetteville, NC. It was approximately 5:50am PST. I had woken up at about 4:30am and was unable to return to sleep. So, I got up, made a sandwich and turned on ESPN2 NBA Classic Games (or some such name) while I ate. After I finished I dozed off on the couch with the game still on TV. At about 5:50am my then girlfriend came down stairs from our bedroom to give me my cell phone which had been ringing next to my side of the bed. She said she had ignored it so it went to voice mail, but whoever it was kept calling back (she never answered my phone before this). Finally, she had answered it so it woiuld stop ringing and it was Gerry. He said, "Let me talk to monk, it's Gerry" -- So she came down and handed me the phone and said who it was. I took the phone and said, "Hey Gerry, what's up?" He said, "What are you doing? Do you have the TV on?" I said, "I couldn't sleep so I'm watching an old basketball game, why?" He said, "Turn to CNN because in about 10 minutes they're going to have this on their station--a plane just hit the World Trade Center." -- I said, "No xxxx?" He said, "Yeah, and they think it was probably Bin Laden" -- This was before it had been reported on the news. I changed the channel to CNN first and kept switching to HLN and NBC, CBS, ABC, etc., until it came on CNN around 6:00.
The second conversation of great significance, took place as I was boarding a helicopter with my fiance to get married "barefoot on the beach" on Catalina Island on January 7th 2005. I called Gerry, who had agreed to be my best man even though from a distance. I called him again during the ceremony so he could hear everything. Privately, he was a lot more sentimental than he came across publically.
I was clearing out my inbox and came across this reply from Gerry Hemming. I thought I'd share considering has sicne passed away.Good to hear from you John.
I have never seen any documentation RE: Raul [originally and erroneously spelled "Raoul" in the French style] as being of "Portugee" ethnicity.
I knew Raul under his true name of Robert Emmett Johnson. He was an assassin & facilitator both for the late dictators Somoza (1950s) and after his demise, went to work for "Generalissimo" Trujillo in the Dominican Republic. He was an ex-World War II "China Marine" attached to O.S.S. Detachment 202 aiding Chiang Kai Shek's Nationalists.
Gerry had a lot to say about Robert Emmett Johnson on the Education Forum. You can find some of the quotes here:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKjohnsonRE.htm
There is also a thread on Johnson here:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6927
Even though he is dead I was warned by a well-informed researcher that it is not a good idea to say bad things about him.
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Ah! Thanks for that Greg - I misunderstood.
No worries. It's a very long thread.
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The "key" to the statement is the quotation marks. Nobody is denying the existence of a false defector program (on both sides of the Cold War), but the "description" of the program's dynamics as referred to in that post is being scrutinized, with a touch of sarcasm.
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monk
(Posted on behalf of JVB) I can't wait to learn more about "the false defector program".Excuse my interruption, but I find that comment a little strange. I wouldn't pretend to know even one hundredth of the JFK assassination details that Prof Fetzer, Jack White and others know but even I am aware that both the US and the USSR "planted" defectors (e.g. TOP HAT, FEDORA, etc)
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Brilliant! A FOIA request! And while you are at it,
also ask for everything they have on who took out
JFK, chemtrails, the theft of elections using voting
machines in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006, and, of
course, what really happened to the US on 9/11!
I can't imagine why no one thought of it before.
"All government projects generate paperwork."
ROFLMAO!
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REPLY TO JIM'S NOTE BELOW:
[NOTE: He may have been told that he had succeeded in breaking the plot and that nothingwas going to happen that day. We act on our beliefs and that may be what he believed. He
had done his job, he had been successful, so he might as well relax and have a coke.]
Jim,
That seems inconsistent with Judyth's story. Judyth's account is that Oswald was somewhat resigned to doom by then; he was convinced enough that he wasn't going to survive that he told Judyth he wanted to spend Thursday night with his wife and kids so that HE COULD SAY GOODBYE TO THEM, which one can reasonably conclude is the reason for his having wept as reported by JVB.
On the other hand, if you're on the right track and he was so lulled into a false sense of security by his handler that he was relaxed and drinking a coke as the client (JFK) approached the kill zone (even in an aborted ambush scenario), my original point seems reinforced: He lacked the wisdom that comes from life experience. Again, I grant that Judyth might be seeing him through biased eyes, so her claims that, IMO, paint him as "wise beyond his years" are still sincere even if tainted. No disrespect intended.
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monk
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Thanks Jack. Yeah, AJ Smith (Chargers' GM) has a reputation of acquiring great talent--and then growing weary of them prematurely. We can add Junior Seau to the list of super stars he has released too early, since Junior got his first Super Bowl ring with the Patriots after leaving San Diego. Go figure!
Anyway, I have to depart the absurdity of this thread -- forever. I'm paranoid I might get some of it on me, like a rash that won't wash off...
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monk
Mike...Monk is a policeman. He knows firearms.Jack
Well, that's not exactly correct, Jack--but you didn't know. Since 2006, I now have a career in Real Estate with my wife.
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monk
Glad to get that news. But you WERE a policeman.
Too bad about the Chargers selling off LaDanien. He has a few good years left,
just like Drew Brees, who after being sold off by the Chargers only went on
to win the Super Bowl! Maybe LT can do the same for New York!
Best to you and wife in your new career!
Jack
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Jack:
I had posted this years ago on Rich's forum. I will have to look for where I got Oswald's info. I got Kennedy's info from the book "A Question of Character" by Richard Reeves. Kennedy's IQ was 119 and Oswald's was 118. It is easy for me to remember because I simply take Sarah Palin's IQ and double it.
Best,
Doug
Hmmm...
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You're welcome, Judyth--and thank you for your reply.
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JUDYTH RESPONDS TO GREG BURNHAM[NOTE: He may have been told that he had succeeded in breaking the plot and that nothing
was going to happen that day. We act on our beliefs and that may be what he believed. He
had done his job, he had been successful, so he might as well relax and have a coke.]
Dear Greg-- Thanks for your response. Your comments are sensible and reasonable.
Here are my replies...
Strawman. I was not judging his intelligence. I have no problem accepting his brightness.
===I didn't realize that from what you first wrote. I confess to reading things rather literally.===
I do have a problem accepting that he was that bright, but failed to tell anyone who could have made a difference that Kennedy was to be killed if he REALLY knew it AND TOLD YOU.
===Glad we're talking, Monk. I appreciate the opportunity. Lee told me that he actively worked to save JFK and was instrumental a one point in doing so. He mentioned working through contacts. I now realize this must have occurred in Chicago, as reported by Abraham Bolden, that an informant named "Lee" (not that many "Lee's" around up north, Greg -- It's a southern name -- Robert E. Lee inspired it in the South...
A person intervened via FBI contacts and saved Kennedy there, just barely in time. Because he was a member of an abort team, as I told Jim Marrs over a decade ago, he was following their plan, or should I say, he thought he was. I do not know details of hat plan, but he was not free to risk other lives. Whether they lied about an 'abort team' I do not know, as I haven't seen any references to such on the internet or anywhere else....===
I have a problem believing that someone that damn smart EVEN WENT TO WORK that day knowing what you claim he knew! I would understand if he knew it--and stayed HOME! I might not like that--he should have tried to stop it--but I would BELIEVE human weakness got the best of him and he just called in sick.
===I was sneered at on the McAdams newsgroup for reporting that I begged Lee to take a laxative or something to make himself sick! David Lifton called it the "ExLax Plot" and dismissed my efforts to keep Lee out of it with raucous mockery. Lee said that if he ran, they would kill him, and they would just move somebody else in his place who would enjoy pulling a trigger. As he said, "If I stay, that's one less bullet aimed at Kennedy."
By then, Lee believed he was a dead man whatever he did, so perhaps he stayed locatable so nobody would take his place. I wondered if there might have been another gunman on the 6th floor, who would be there to see if he would shoot or not? Didn't they see more than one person up there in the window? Or are those photos I've seen on Youtube not worth consideration?===
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MONK.
JVB
(cont.)JUDYTH:5) His mother stated he taught himself to read before he started school.
That's a different kind of "bright" and you know it. I'm talking about LIFE EXPERIENCE brightness, which is not the same as maturity, nor is it the same as "gifted" which he may have been. Life experience brightness can be gleaned in one way only, by definition.
6) You can't judge his intelligence by letters he was asked to write. They were not meant to reflect a brilliance that might have made him look suspicious to the communist party, etc.Strawman. I was not judging his intelligence. I have no problem accepting his brightness. I do have a problem accepting that he was that bright, but failed to tell anyone who could have made a difference that Kennedy was to be killed if he REALLY knew it AND TOLD YOU. I have a problem believing that someone that damn smart EVEN WENT TO WORK that day knowing what you claim he knew! I would understand if he knew it--and stayed HOME! I might not like that--he should have tried to stop it--but I would BELIEVE human weakness got the best of him and he just called in sick.
So much 'bad' has been written about Lee that it has pretty well sifted down to everybody who did not know him.Don't worry, I don't believe everything I read.
I presented a paper to the Popular Culture Association some years back -- after which my university forbade me to go to any more conventions or publish any more papers. I was 'punished' for writing it. But I intend to present a distillation of it to those forums which would allow it. Along with Lee's facility for Russian, his selection of books, when properly explained, bespeaks of an inquiring and intelligent mind.No comment.
Why is this important to know? Because Oswald knew more than you think about what was going on. The problem was, he didn't find out in time to be able to get out of it. It is healthy to debate these things without rancour. I also have to say that there were a lot of things we did not know. No doubt of that. Hindsight is so nice!JVB
Agreed. No rancour.
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monk
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No thanks, I'd prefer to avoid your analysis. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I don't believe you're approaching this very scientifically at all, no matter your expertise. I have yet to ever hear a serious analyst dismiss the medical evidence and/or the testimony of the attending physicians in a shooting case! I lack the patience to continue this train of thought with you.
Good hunting--
eom
Sir,I do not know the extent of your shooting experience, so it would be difficult for me to relate in words without expressed examples. However the recoil from a Carcano is very manageable. Reacquiring the target is a very quick process.
Can you define "very quick" more precisely? Do you think it would take you less than 1 second or more than 1 second?
Frazier fired three rounds and placed them in a .75" circle in 6 seconds. (WCH3p404)This should serve as some indication as to the ability to reacquire the target quickly. I believe there are several videos out there showing that the weapon can be cycled faster than 2.3 seconds. Frazier made one shot and then cycled the weapon 2 times and shot ACCURATELY in 6 seconds.
I was under the impression that he did not duplicate the conditions of duress that the shooter would have been under, including, the use of a tripod. I believe that is correct.
There is no presumption on my part in regard to the target moving away from the shooter. It is and has been solidly ballistically proven.Not if one of the shooters were in front.
I would ask you Sir to please give me your best offering at evidence that shows the shooter was in front of the target.Where I come from we tend to rely on doctors to determine a great deal. No disrespect intended, but IMHO you have a lot of catching up to do.
Best,Mike
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monk
Mr. Burnham,
Unless the laws of physics have changed over the last few years, then the basic principles of ballistics still apply.
I believe I already defined Quick in proving Frazier fired 3 very well aimed shots in 6 seconds. That sounds like an average of 3 seconds for the last two shots which included aiming and cycling the bolt. I would say that is pretty quick considering your theory that it takes 2.3 seconds to cycle the bolt without aiming (which I do not agree with). There are several videos that bear this out.
Frazier used no tripod in the testing of the rifle at the ranges. I also believe you assume duress, it is impossible to know the state of mind of the shooter.
There is no evidence whatsoever of a shooter from the front. Kinetic energy transfer indicates a rear shooter, as does Blood Spatter, inter-cranial fragment disbursement.
You do realize that the "violent backward motion" can not possibly be attributed directly to a bullet.
No disrespect taken Sir, not at all, and none intended when I say that I do not believe I need to catch up, I simply believe that many do not understand the ballistics and physics involved in a shooting event.
Where I come from an opinion is an opinion, until it is proven, it then becomes fact. From a ballistic stand point the fact now stands at no frontal shooter.
Do you have any other evidence other than the opinion of a doctor? Do you have a suspected location? I would be glad to examine that for you Sir.
My best to you,
Mike
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Sir,
I do not know the extent of your shooting experience, so it would be difficult for me to relate in words without expressed examples. However the recoil from a Carcano is very manageable. Reacquiring the target is a very quick process.
Can you define "very quick" more precisely? Do you think it would take you less than 1 second or more than 1 second?
Frazier fired three rounds and placed them in a .75" circle in 6 seconds. (WCH3p404)This should serve as some indication as to the ability to reacquire the target quickly. I believe there are several videos out there showing that the weapon can be cycled faster than 2.3 seconds. Frazier made one shot and then cycled the weapon 2 times and shot ACCURATELY in 6 seconds.
I was under the impression that he did not duplicate the conditions of duress that the shooter would have been under, including, the use of a tripod. I believe that is correct. While it is true that he placed a tight group within about the space of a dime, none of them were close to the target. Precision and accuracy have distinct significance in ballistics.
There is no presumption on my part in regard to the target moving away from the shooter. It is and has been solidly ballistically proven.Not if one of the shooters were in front.
I would ask you Sir to please give me your best offering at evidence that shows the shooter was in front of the target.Where I come from we tend to rely on doctors to determine a great deal. No disrespect intended, but IMHO you have a lot of catching up to do.
Best,Mike
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monk
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Mike...Monk is a policeman. He knows firearms.
Jack
Well, that's not exactly correct, Jack--but you didn't know. Since 2006, I now have a career in Real Estate with my wife.
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monk
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Great points all, Jack! BTW: I think that ALL of the FETZER photos were altered.
Apples and oranges--so to speak.
Indeed. Moreover, again as devil's advocate for the sake of argument, are we to assume that JVB even knew LHO based on her preposterous (on its face) claims? Is this argument really sound? That: the more incredible her claims, the more they are probably true? Weak, IMO. There is merit to the argument, IMO, but only with much more evidence that is solidly VERIFIABLE independent of the subject's [JVB] testimony. I do agree with Jim's "stretch" in one way, though. It's just resting on too many "if's" IMO.
To accept such a "stretch" for me requires more PERSONAL knowledge of the witness than I currently have...and to invest further is too risky for me.