Bernice Moore

Her son's name was Rodney Baines White but was sometimes called Moss after Josefa and Willard White divorced and she was remarried to Jim Moss of Fredericksburg, Texas. It was sometimes stated that Rodney was adopted by Josefa, that he was actually the natural son of Sam Houston Johnson. All I can find is that he was supposedly born in Biloxi, Miss. between the years she married White and Moss. Very little is know about LBJ's younger brother Sam Houston, though it has been reported that he was in O.S.S. during WWII. This obituary is taken from the Dallas Morning News of 12-26-1961 In the book, LBJ Architect of American Ambition page 502, the LBJ siblings are listed as.... Lucia Huffman, Josefa Hermine, Rebeka Luruth, Lyndon Baines and Sam Houston Johnson. Ron Here is a photo, which is not all that clear, but that is Josepha on the left, and their Mother next to LBJ, and then Lady Bird... nothing re his brother.or other siblings........etc.... They are all buried at the Johnson Farm, in the family plot........also one of he and L.B on their honeymoon...FWIW...... B........

Exclusive: Gerald Ford, JFK and the FBI POSTED: 12:20 PM ET, 08/ 7/2008 by The Editors TAGS: Gerald Ford, JFK, Warren Commission Two members of the Warren Commission were initially not convinced that President John F. Kennedy had been shot from the sixth floor window of the Texas Book Depository, according to confidential FBI files released this week to The Post's Joe Stephens. The files detail the inner workings of a secret back channel that Gerald R. Ford, then a Michigan congressman who was one of seven members of the Warren Commission, opened in 1963 to J. Edgar Hoover's FBI. The declassified FBI memos are among scores of documents in the file on President Ford, who died in December 2006. At the request of The Post, the FBI this week released 500 pages of the bureau's voluminous file. Although it has long been known that he secretly spoke with the FBI, the newly obtained, previously classified records detail one visit Ford made to one of Hoover's deputies just three weeks after joining the panel. A December 1963 memo recounts that Ford told FBI Assistant Director Cartha D. DeLoach that two members remained unconvinced that Kennedy had been shot from the sixth floor window of the Texas Book Depository. In addition, three commission members "failed to understand" the trajectory of the slugs, Ford said. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingto...rald_fords.html ************************************ Countering Criticism of the Warren Report 1 April 1967 Chiefs, Certain Stations and Bases Document Number 1035-960 SUBJECT: Countering Criticism of the Warren Report : The Governments Answer to the Critiques.... For Oswald file - 2 copies -This was pulled together by [redacted] in close conjunction with [redacted]. We furnished most of the source material, proposed many of the themes, and provided general "expertise" on the case. The Spectator article was written 23 Jan 1967 PSYCH 1. Our Concern. From the day of President Kennedy's assassination on, there has been speculation about the responsibility for his murder. Although this was stemmed for a time by the Warren Commission report (which appeared at the end of September 1964), various writers have now had time to scan the Commission's published report and documents for new pretexts for questioning, and there has been a new wave of books and articles criticizing the Commission's findings. In most cases the critics have speculated as to the existence of some kind of conspiracy, and often they have implied that the Commission itself was involved. Presumably as a result of the increasing challenge to the Warren Commission's Report, a public opinion poll recently indicated that 46% of the American public did not think that Oswald acted alone, while more than half of those polled thought that the Commission had left some questions unresolved. Doubtless polls abroad would show similar, or possibly more adverse, results. 2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization. The members of the Warren Commission were naturally chosen for their integrity, experience, and prominence. They represented both major parties, and they and their staff were deliberately drawn from all sections of the country. Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society. Moreover, there seems to be an increasing tendency to hint that President Johnson himself, as the one person who might be said to have benefited, was in some way responsible for the assassination. Innuendo of such seriousness affects not only the individual concerned, but also the whole reputation of the American government. Our organization itself is directly involved: among other facts, we contributed information to the investigation. Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material for countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments. 3. Action: We do not recommend that discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active, however, addressees are requested. CS COPY 9 attachments h/w DATE 4/1/67 1- Satts 8-Unclassified DESTROY WHEN NO LONGER NEEDED a. To discuss the publicity problem with liaison and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors), pointing out that the Warren Commission made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation. b. To employ propaganda assets to answer and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passage to assets. Our play should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (i) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (ii) politically interested, (iii) financially interested, (iv) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (v) infatuated with their own theories. In the course of discussions of the whole phenomenon of criticism, a useful strategy may be to single out Epstein's theory for attack, using the attached Fletcher Knebel article and Spectator piece for background. (Although Mark Lane's book is much less convincing than Epstein's and comes off badly where contested by knowledgeable critics, it is also much more difficult to answer as a whole, as one becomes lost in a morass of unrelated details.) 4. In private or media discussion not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful: a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider. The assassination is sometimes compared (e.g., by Joachim Joesten and Bertrand Russell) with the Dreyfus case; however, unlike that case, the attacks on the Warren Commission have produced no new evidence, no new culprits have been convincingly identified, and there is no agreement among the critics. (A better parallel, though an imperfect one, might be with the Reichstag fire of 1933, which some competent historians (Fritz Tobias, A.J.P. Taylor, D.C. Watt) now believe was set by Van der Lubbe on his own initiative, without acting for either Nazis or Communists; the Nazis tried to pin the blame on the Communists, but the latter have been much more successful in convincing the world that the Nazis were to blame.) b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual eyewitnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent -- and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) and less on ballistic, autopsy, and photographic evidence. A close examination of the Commission's records will usually show that the conflicting eyewitness accounts are quoted out of context, or were discarded by the commission for good and sufficient reason. c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc. Note that Robert Kennedy, Attorney General at the time and John F. Kennedy's brother, would be the last man to overlook or conceal any conspiracy. And as one reviewer pointed out, Congressman Gerald R. Ford would hardly have held his tongue for the sake of the Democratic administration, and Senator Russell would have had every political interest in exposing any misdeeds on the part of Chief Justice Warren. A conspirator moreover would hardly choose a location for a shooting where so much depended on conditions beyond his control: the route, the speed of the cars, the moving target, the risk that the assassin would be discovered. A group of wealthy conspirators could have arranged much more secure conditions. d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other. Actually, the make-up of the Commission and its staff was an excellent safeguard against over-commitment to any one theory; or against the illicit transformation of probabilities into certainties. e. Oswald would not have been any sensible person's choice for a co-conspirator. He was a "loner," mixed-up, of questionable reliability and an unknown quantity to any professional intelligence service. f. As to charges that the Commission's report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms. g. Such vague accusations as that "more than ten people have died mysteriously" can always be explained in some more natural way: e.g., the individuals concerned have for the most part died of natural causes; the Commission staff questioned 418 witnesses (the FBI interviewed far more people, conducting 25,000 interviews and reinterviews), and in such a large group, a certain number of deaths are to be expected. (When Penn Jones, one of the originators of the "ten mysterious deaths" line, appeared on television, it emerged that two of the deaths on his list were from heart attacks, one from cancer, one was from a head-on collision on a bridge, and one occurred when a driver drifted into a bridge abutment.) 5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission's Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the Report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics. B..

Thanks Nathaniel: Agreed circulate, it would appear the Neo-Cons as they have been called now. Do make a much greater effort to circulate making sure that their information, within threads on the web and their dismissal of witness information along with their deliberate over-looking of what is known.. and has been discovered, that does not agree with their theory, appears front and centre on many Forums, and sites....over the web.... They do post so much more often than other members within said sites, in fact it appears at times, they cannot simply shut up... ....All a part of the ploy.imo.. I call it brow beating, the old if one repeats it long and often enough, then whatever it is taken as the truth.... One way to counter, it would seem, is with posting, how it was, along with what has been discovered that shows the dishonesty within their information and the W/C and Government findings.... why waste time replying to them when one could be researching and discovering another part of the truth and posting such, to get it out there...and not replying and giving them the attention they so seemingly require.... By keeping it front and centre as much as one is able to......but....it takes the many to join in, and not the same few as it always appears to be.....to keep it going...and overcome such........ This below is an article of how it was, that was written titled "" Seeds of Doubt Some Questions About the Assassination"" by Jack Minnis and Staughton Lynd The New Republic, 21 December 1963, pages 14–20 As one reads I believe people will see for themselves, what the Government through the W/C accomplished.....We do know the answers to some within now, but there remains many questions ...imo.. For now, thanks B.... ""Finally, what is the explanation of the reports of Frank Cormier of the AP and of Richard Dudman of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch of a small hole in the windshield of the President’s limousine?"" Seeds of Doubt Some Questions About the Assassination by Jack Minnis and Staughton Lynd The New Republic, 21 December 1963, pages 14–20 On December 3, newspapers reported that the Federal Bureau of Investigation would confirm in all essentials the version of the President’s assassination previously presented by the Dallas police and by Gordon Shanklin, FBI agent in charge in Dallas. According to these accounts the FBI will state that: (1) Lee Oswald, without accomplices, fired three shots at President Kennedy from a sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository Building; (2) about five and one-half seconds elapsed between the first shot and the last; (3) all three shots came from behind and slightly to the right of the President’s car; and (4) the same weapon fired all three shots. It has not been announced how long the Presidential commission of inquiry will take to reach a finding, but meanwhile certain questions pose themselves: (1) How Lee Oswald, from a position behind and slightly to the right of President Kennedy, fired a shot which entered the President’s neck just below the Adam’s apple; (2) how Oswald, using a bolt-action rifle, fired three shots with deadly accuracy in five and one-half seconds at a target 75–100 yards away moving about 25 miles an hour; (3) how the three shots could have produced four bullets; (4) how Lee Oswald did all the things he is supposed to have done in the 15 or 30 minutes (there are two different accounts) between the time the President was assassinated and the time Oswald allegedly ran into his apartment four miles away. The Target On page 15 is a rough diagram of the assassination scene constructed from a map of the area printed in The New York Times of November 23 and from the pictures of the scene found in other newspapers. The leading vehicle in the motorcade was the Presidential limousine with Mr. and Mrs. Kennedy in the rear seat, the President on the right. On jump seats facing forward, were Mr. and Mrs. Connally, Governor Connally on the right. The second car was filled with Secret Service men. The third car carried Vice President and Mrs. Johnson and Senator Ralph Yarborough. In the fourth car were Secret Service agents protecting the Vice President. At about 12:30 p.m., November 22, the President’s limousine made the turn at Elm and Houston Streets into the approach to the underpass leading to Stemmons Freeway. The car was traveling about 25 miles an hour, or about 12 yards per second. The distance between the turn at Elm Street and the underpass is about 220 yards. Thus at the speed at which most witnesses agree the motorcade was traveling, the maximum time it could have consumed traversing this distance would have been 20 seconds. It is difficult to determine, with precision, the exact point in the traversal of the 220 yards at which the shooting occurred. However, some definite limits can be set. Experienced newsmen reporting in The New York Times, The New York Herald-Tribune, The Washington Post, The Atlanta Constitution, and for both Associated Press and United Press International, estimate that the President’s car was 75–100 yards past the turn at Elm and Houston when the first shot was fired; others, persons on the spot at the time, say the President’s car was midway between the turn and the underpass; Mrs. Connally says the car was almost ready to go underneath the underpass; Governor Connally says the car had just made the turn at Elm and Houston. A reader, making use of the tree, the lamp post, and the ornamental wall shown in pictures on pages 24, 25 and 32H of Life magazine for November 29, can approximately identify for himself the point at which the President, smiling, waving, and looking straight ahead as the limousine moved away from the Depository Building and toward the underpass, suddenly made a “clutching movement toward his throat.” John Herbers, writing in The New York Times of November 27, comments on the 15-second movie sequence of the assassination taken by an amateur photographer (from which the pictures in Life magazine were selected). He says five seconds elapsed from the first shot until the President’s car disappeared into the underpass. If the President’s car continued at 25 miles an hour after the first shot, then it traveled about 60 yards during this five seconds and, therefore, must have been about 160 yards from the turn at Elm and Houston when firing commenced. If, as most witnesses believe, it accelerated rapidly after the first shot, then it traversed considerably more than 60 yards during those five seconds. On the evidence of the movie, we would estimate the distance between the turn at Elm and Houston and the site of the first shot at something less than 160 yards, not appreciably out of line with the estimates of witnesses and newsmen, and the anticipated conclusion of the FBI report. Having established, with some certainty we think, the fact that the Presidential car was approximately 100 yards past the turn at Elm and Houston when the first shot was fired, we can move to a consideration of the wounds themselves. The Wounds Tom Wicker, in The New York Times of November 23, wrote that Doctors Malcolm Perry and Kemp Clark, who attended Mr. Kennedy in the emergency room of the Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas immediately after the shooting, described the President’s wounds thus: “Mr. Kennedy was hit by a bullet in the throat, just below the Adam’s apple….This wound had the appearance of a bullet’s entry. Mr. Kennedy also had a massive, gaping wound in the back and on the right side of the head.” Dr. Perry was the first physician to treat the President. Dr. Clark was summoned and arrived in a minute or two. We saw nowhere in the newspapers nor heard in any of the earlier radio or TV accounts any attempt to reconcile a wound in the front of the President’s throat with the theory that the shots came from the Texas School Book Depository, 75–100 yards to the rear of the President at the time the first shot was fired. Nor did we see or hear any suggestion that the original accounts of where the President’s car was at the time of the shooting might be inaccurate. This could, perhaps, be attributed to the fact that identification of the throat wound as one of entry was tentative, and that it would be reasonable to suppose a bullet entering the back of the President’s head, fired from an angle of about 45 degrees above him, might exit at the Adam’s apple. The examining doctors, as they were quoted in the early press accounts, seemed to be unsure as to whether one bullet or two had inflicted the head and throat wounds of the President. However, John Herbers, in a follow-up story in the Times of November 27, cleared this up. Herbers quotes Dr. Kemp Clark, the Dallas surgeon who pronounced the President dead, as saying that two bullets hit the President. One entered through the throat just below the Adam’s apple and ranged downward, without exiting. The other struck the right side of the back of the President’s head tangentially (that is, it smashed in and out, traveling on a tangent to his head). From this description, it would seem that one bullet was fired from in front of the President. Herbers tries to reconcile the frontal wound with the supposed position of the assassin in the School Book Depository Building by suggesting that the gunman could have fired as the President’s car was approaching the building, then swung the gun through an arc of almost 180 degrees and fired twice more. But this reconciliation ignores the uncontroverted accounts of many eyewitnesses as to where the President’s car was at the time the first shot was heard. It appears well-established that the first shot was fired only after the President’s car was more than 75 yards past the building. Indeed, Herbers’ own interpretation of the 15-second movie sequence supports this. In order for the assassin, from his supposed position in the building, to have wounded the President frontally, he would have had to fire while the Presidential car was entering the turn at Houston and Elm, or before the car had halfway completed the turn. By all accounts this would have been six to eight seconds before a shot was heard. According to a New York Times dispatch from Dallas dated November 27, the Secret Service conducted a re-enactment of the assassination that day. The dispatch reported that “the consensus was that the shooting began after the President’s car had made the turn.” We see no way to reconcile the conclusion attributed to the forthcoming FBI report, that “it has been established that all three shots came from the same direction, behind and slightly to the right of the President’s car” (AP dispatch datelined Washington, Atlanta Journal, Dec. 3), with the statement of Dallas doctors that one bullet struck the President at about the necktie knot “in the mid-section of the front part of his neck” (New York Times, Nov. 24 and 27). Indeed, the bullet that struck the President’s throat was sufficiently frontal that Dr. Clark at first thought the same bullet might have entered through the throat and exited through the upper rear of the President’s head. (See “The Kennedy Wound,” New York Times, Nov. 24, for an account based on this supposition.) On December 5, 13 days after the assassination, “federal investigators” were still simulating the crime with car, camera and surveyor’s transit on Elm Street in Dallas, in an attempt to answer the question “how the President could have received a bullet in the front of the throat from a rifle in the Texas School Book Depository Building after his car had passed the building and was turning a gentle curve away from it” (Joseph Loftus in the New York Times, Dec. 6). Finally, what is the explanation of the reports of Frank Cormier of the AP and of Richard Dudman of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch of a small hole in the windshield of the President’s limousine? The Weapon First press accounts quoted various members of the Dallas police force as saying the assassin’s weapon was a .30-caliber Enfield and a 7.65mm Mauser. One Secret Service man said he thought the weapon was an “Army or Japanese rifle” of .25 caliber. The same accounts reported that the rifle was found on the second floor of the building by a window, in the fifth-floor staircase, by an open sixth-floor window, and hidden behind boxes and cases on the second or sixth floors. It was not until the FBI said it had discovered that Oswald had purchased an Italian-made 6.5mm rifle from a Chicago mail-order house that the confusion was dispelled. Then all accounts and all sources agreed: The former .30 caliber-Enfield-7.65 Mauser was now a 6.5mm Italian-made rifle with telescopic sights. It was also at this time that all sources began agreeing that the gun had been found on the sixth floor—though some still held out for the open-window location, while others argued for the buried-behind-the-boxes theory. We did not at that time have a very clear idea of the precise number of seconds within which the shots had occurred, but we were uneasy about anyone’s having got off the reported three shots with a bolt-action rifle from that distance at a target moving 12 yards a second, with that accuracy and quickly enough to have created such confusion about who got hit first, the President or the Governor. On November 25 The New York Times reported that “a group of the nation’s most knowledgeable gun experts, meeting in Maryland at the time of the shooting, agreed that, considering the gun, the distance, the angle and the movement of the President’s car, the assassin was either an exceptional marksman or fantastically lucky in placing his shots.” The Times account does not indicate whether the experts also considered the extreme rapidity with which the shots were fired. Then on November 27 the Times ran another story telling about tests which had been conducted by a “firearms expert from the National Rifle Association” in Washington. The expert had used a “Model 1938 6.5mm bolt-action rifle.” His target had been 50 feet away. He was able to get off three shots in 11 seconds and they struck within a one-inch circle. On a second try the expert was able to get off three shots in eight seconds with comparable accuracy. Using this performance as a basis for speculation, the expert reasoned that a person well-practiced with the use of the gun could have done as well or better under the conditions of the assassination in Dallas. (The story did not indicate whether or not the target used in these tests was stationary or moving.) Others did not agree with this expert. The Italian newspaper Corriere Lombardo of Milan said, as reported in the same Times story, that if the Model ’38 were used and if more than one shot had been fired “there must have been a second attacker.” In Vienna, the Olympics champion shot, Hubert Hammerer, said that the initial shot could have been made under the conditions in Dallas when Mr. Kennedy was killed, but he considered it unlikely that one man could have triggered three shots within five seconds with the weapon used. All these judgments were made on the theory that the shots were fired as the Presidential car sped away from the gunman, with the gunman having to allow only for the forward movement of the car. This supposition, of course, takes no account of the marksman himself having to move in order to swing the gun through an arc of 180 degrees. These experts were also proceeding on the theory that Lee Oswald was a crack marksman. However, Oswald was only an “average” marksman in the Marines (Laurence Stern and Alfred E. Lewis, writing in The Washington Post, December 1). Of course, he could have improved with practice since his Marine service. On December 9, Fred Powledge, reporting from Dallas to The New York Times, quoted several persons as saying they had twice seen Oswald firing at a practice range within three weeks of the assassination. One remembered him coming “alone in a battered automobile.” But Mrs. Michael Paine, with whom Lee Oswald’s wife had been staying, is quoted as saying that “in late October or early November she tried to teach [Oswald] how to drive her car in a parking lot, but that [he] did not even learn to park it.” The Bullets There is general agreement among the witnesses and newspaper accounts that three shots were fired. Typical is Senator Ralph Yarborough’s description, quoted by The Washington Post of November 23: “I heard three loud explosions that sounded like shots from a deer rifle. You could smell powder.” Yet there appear to be four bullets involved. In The New York Times of November 25, Fred Powledge’s story from Dallas listed as part of the evidence supporting the Oswald-School-Book-Depository-Mannlicher-Carcano theory: “A bullet that Secret Service men removed from a stretcher at Parkland Hospital after the shooting, and two bullet fragments removed from the Presidential automobile matched bullets fired by the rifle [FBI] agents found inside the [warehouse].” Powledge cites Gordon Shanklin, FBI agent in charge in Dallas, as his source of information. This it would appear accounts for two bullets. In the Times of November 27, John Herbers’ story from Dallas says: “Three shots are known to have been fired. Two hit the President. One did not emerge. Dr. Kemp Clark, who pronounced Mr. Kennedy dead, said one struck him at about the necktie knot. ‘It ranged downward and did not exit,’ the surgeon said.” Thus there is the bullet from the stretcher, the bullet which was found fragmented in the car, and the bullet that did not exit from the President. An AP dispatch from Dallas in The Atlanta Constitution of November 23 quoted Dr. Robert R. Shaw, attending physician for Governor Connally: “[The Governor] seems to have been struck by just one bullet….We know the wound of entrance was along the right shoulder. He was shot from above….[The bullet] entered the back of his chest and moved outward….It emerged from his chest and struck his wrist and thigh….The bullet is still in his leg.” Now we have the stretcher bullet, the fragmented bullet, the bullet that remained in the President, and the bullet in the Governor’s leg. Herbers, in the Times of the 27th, presumes “that the bullet that struck the President’s head was the one recovered from the stretcher that bore the President into the hospital. He declines to theorize about how the bullet got onto the stretcher. Dr. Clark stated that the bullet went “in and out” of the President’s head. We assume this to mean that there was an exit as well as an entry wound in the President’s head. Furthermore, it would seem rather likely that the fragmented bullet would be the one which made the head wound. LeMoyne Snyder, forensic medicine specialist, in his book Homicide Investigation, writes: “When a lead bullet is fired into the skull at an angle, it will sometimes fracture the skull bone in such a way that a sharp edge of bone is presented to the bullet. As a result, the bullet is cut in two lengthwise….It is not likely to happen if jacketed ammunition is used.” It should be noted here, too, that while Herbers identifies the stretcher from which the bullet was removed, Powledge’s story of two days earlier, in which he cites FBI agent Shanklin as his source, merely says: “A bullet the Secret Service men removed from a stretcher [our italics].” We have no way of knowing whether the bullet remained inside the body of the President and was buried with him, or whether it was removed for evidence. Dr. Clark, in Herbers’ story of the 27th, merely says that the bullet did not exit of its own accord. Then Herbers writes: “The bullet that did not exit from the President’s body may have since been removed in an autopsy, but the Parkland Hospital said no autopsy was performed in Dallas.” An AP dispatch in the Dallas Morning News of November 27 states that “the White House has so far declined to say whether an autopsy was performed on the body of slain President John F. Kennedy. For approximately nine hours, the body was at Bethesda, Md., Naval Hospital last Friday night and early Saturday morning [November 22 and 23].” An AP dispatch which appeared in the Pine Bluff [Ark.] Gazette of November 27 stated that “doctors at the Bethesda [Maryland] Naval Hospital made a post-mortem examination of Kennedy’s wounds.” The hospital authorities also stated, according to Herbers, that “the medical report of President Kennedy’s assassination, written in longhand by Dr. Clark, chief of neurosurgery at Parkland, had been given to the Secret Service and the hospital had no copy.” Another puzzling fact is that apparently the two bullets with the cloudiest pedigree are the ones that link the shooting to the gun the investigators finally settled on. Powledge’s story of the 25th, quoted above, states that the stretcher bullet and the fragmented bullet matched bullets fired by FBI men from the rifle found inside the building. The rifle (identified variously as an Enfield and a Mauser) was found early in the afternoon of November 22. So were the two bullets. They were in the possession of the Dallas police and the FBI, presumably, from then on. Sometime on November 23, the rifle became a Mannlicher-Carcano. Is it the custom of Italian rifle-makers to leave their names off their products, so that they cannot be identified immediately? We don’t know. We do know that the more damage done to the surface of the bullet, the more dubious becomes the accuracy of laboratory comparison with other bullets to determine which gun of a given make it was fired from, even if the make of the gun can be determined. Thus the identification of the gun that supposedly fired the assassination bullets seems to rest primarily, not on the fragmented bullet, but on a bullet allegedly found by a secret Service man on a stretcher in Parkland Hospital, Dallas, after the President was shot. It is not clear at this point just where this bullet came from and how it came to be on “a stretcher.” The Murderer The way the supposed assassination gun is linked to Lee Oswald is somewhat curious, too. Powledge’s story of the 25th states: “The FBI agent [Gordon Shanklin] said the young man ordered a 6.5mm rifle with telescope sight from a Chicago store last spring. The rifle was sent to an ‘A. Hidell,’ at Oswald’s post office box here. It arrived by parcel post on March 20. Samples of Oswald’s handwriting were sent yesterday to the FBI laboratory in Washington where they were found to match the handwriting in the letter ordering the rifle.” In his story of the 26th, Powledge again refers to the gun: “The district attorney said the police had traced the serial number of the murder weapon, an Italian rifle with a telescopic sight, to the Chicago mail-order house that had sold Oswald a rifle last spring.” Thus all the FBI and the Dallas police appear to claim so far is that the gun which fired the stretcher bullet and the gun they say Oswald ordered came from the same mail-order house. Moreover, in the early accounts it was being said that the gun, with telescopic sight, was purchased for $12.78. But on November 25 The New York Times reproduced an advertisement from a mail-order house showing clearly that $12.78 was the price of the gun without telescopic sight. Subsequently it was reported (UPI dispatch of November 29, Atlanta Journal) that, in addition to $12.78 for the gun, Oswald paid $7.50 for the sight. Was the sight ordered in a separate letter, also in Oswald’s handwriting and also signed “A. Hidell”? Was there one money order signed by Hidell for $12.78 and another for $7.50? And if so, why was the latter information held back at the time the former was announced? In his news conference of November 24, District Attorney Wade said that Oswald’s palmprints were on the gun found in the warehouse. However, first he called them fingerprints, then palmprints. And on November 27, “Edward Bennett Williams, one of the nation’s leading defense lawyers…said the police’s purported discovery of Oswald’s palmprints in the room where the assassin lay in wait was not necessarily incriminating. ‘Palmprints are not nearly as conclusive as fingerprints,’ he said.” (New York Post, November 27) In other parts of his November 24 conference, District Attorney Wade seemed so confused that we must question whether he really knew much about the evidence against Oswald at the time. As an example of his confusion, note the following exchange referring to the reported attempt by Oswald to shoot an arresting officer in the Texas Theater (taken from transcript of the news conference published in The New York Times, November 26): Q. Why didn’t it go off? A. It snapped. It was a misfire. Then the officers subdued him—some six officers—subdued him there in the theater, and he was brought to the police station here. Q. Mr. Wade, why didn’t the gun fire? A. It misfired, being on the—the shell didn’t explode. We have it where it hit it, but it didn’t explode. It didn’t fire the shell. Q. There was one officer who said that he pulled the trigger, but he managed to put his thumb in the part before the firing pin. It didn’t… A. Well… Q. …strike the—the bullet didn’t explode. Is that it? A. I don’t know whether it’s that or not. I know he didn’t snap the gun is all I know about it. Now, either Wade had, as part of the evidence, the misfire bullet from the pistol, with a mark on it made by the pistol’s firing pin, or he didn’t. He didn’t seem to know whether he had it or not. All in all, it is hard to see how the District Attorney felt able then to conclude: “I would say without any doubt he is the killer,” particularly in view of the fact that some of the evidence—such as the alleged statement by Mrs. Oswald that her husband had a rifle in their garage on the night before the assassination but that it was gone the next day—would never have been admissible in a Texas court, as the police readily admitted. We will remark on only one other aspect of the case. Dallas District Attorney Wade offered to newsmen and to the public, as one of the links in the chain of evidence against Oswald, the fact that Oswald went to his home in Oak Cliff, changed his clothes hurriedly, and left (Wade’s November 24 news conference as printed in The New York Times, November 26). According to a UPI dispatch datelined Dallas in The Atlanta Journal, November 23, “Mrs. R.C. Roberts, who works for the Johnsons [from whom Oswald rented a room in Oak Cliff], said that about 12:45 p.m. [Dallas time] Friday she had just learned that Mr. Kennedy was shot. In rushed Oswald, ‘On the dead run,’ she said. ‘He ran to his room, came running back with a gray zipper jacket and out the door’.” The assassin’s bullets were fired between 12:30 and 12:31 p.m. (Dallas time). Oswald supposedly fired them from the sixth floor of the building where he worked. Then, supposedly, he hid the rifle behind some books and packing cases and made his way to the second floor of the building. Roy S. Truly, TSBD manager, and a policeman ran into the building immediately after the shots were fired. “The two men scrambled up the stairs to the second floor. As they made their way to the back stairway, the policeman saw Oswald standing beside a soft-drink machine, sipping from a coke bottle” (Washington Post, December 1). According to the New York Post (November 27) two noted criminal lawyers have puzzled over this account. Maurice Edelbaum said: “The main incongruity I see is the report of Oswald’s swift descent from the sixth floor. The moment a policeman rushed into the building Oswald was there.” Raymond Brown asked: “How did he get down? Were there steps or an elevator from the sixth floor? Did anybody see him?” Then, according to Wade, Oswald left the building and walked four blocks west to Lamar Street where he boarded a bus. He rode the bus an undetermined number of blocks and then got off. He hailed a taxicab and rode four miles to his room in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas. He arrived, according to Mrs. Roberts, just 14 minutes after the assassination. Now if the taxicab was able to average 20 miles an hour, which we think would be a maximum, the taxi ride would have taken 12 minutes. This leaves Oswald with just two minutes to shoot the President and Governor Connally, clean and hide the gun, run down four flights of stairs, search his pockets for coins, get a coke from the machine, open it, engage in some conversation with Mr. Truly and the policeman, make his way from the second floor out of the building, walk four blocks to the bus stop, board the bus and ride several blocks, and get off the bus and hail a taxi. On December 1, however, The Washington Post quoted housekeeper Roberts as saying: “He came dashing in about 1 o’clock.” This second version created new difficulties, for these reporters refer to “the floundering of the bus in the choked downtown traffic,” and to the fact that Oswald “told the [cab] driver to drop him off at a corner five blocks beyond his rooming house.” If the traffic was “choked” we probably need to cut in half the estimated average speed of the taxi over the four miles to Oswald’s rooming house. At an average speed of 10 miles an hour, it would have taken the taxi 24 minutes to cover the distance. This would leave Oswald five minutes to shoot the President and Governor Connally, clean and hide the gun, run down four flights of stairs, search his pockets for coins, get a coke from the machine, open it, engage in some conversation with Mr. Truly and the policeman, make his way from the second floor out of the building, walk four blocks to the bus stop, board the bus and hail a taxi. And if we accept this version, we must allow, within the first five minutes left to Oswald, the time necessary to walk the five blocks back to his rooming house from the corner to which the taxi took him Conclusion Since the bulk of this analysis was written, the newsmagazines—Time, Life, Newsweek, and US News and World Report—have made public their versions of the assassination. They help add to the confusion. For example, Time (December 6) has Oswald buying rifle and sight for $19.95, while according to Newsweek (December 9) he paid $12.78. All early accounts of the assassination put the speed of the President’s limousine at about 25 miles per hour, but now it has slowed to 15 miles per hour (Life, November 29), “no more than half the 25 miles per hour first estimated by authorities” (Newsweek, December 9), and 12 miles per hour (US News and World Report, December 9). The latter magazine comments: “If President Kennedy’s car had been moving even 20 miles an hour, the experts say, it might have made the lead time too difficult a problem for the sniper.” The central problem—the fact that the President was wounded in the front of the throat, “the midsection of the front part of his neck,” according to “staff doctors” at Parkland Hospital on November 23 (New York Times, November 24)—remains. Life and Newsweek place the President’s car 170 feet and 150 feet past the turn at the time of the first shot: a shorter distance than our estimate, but much too distant from the window for a shot through the front of the neck. Life (December 6) recognizes the problem, but solves it by saying that the President was turning far to the right at the moment of impact. This explanation appears to fail for two reasons. First, Life’s own pictures of the event in the issue of November 29 show the President looking straight ahead. Second, Elm Street curves left as it passes the warehouse building (see the picture on page 32H of Life, November 29), in such as way that when the first bullet struck, the President’s back was to the window. In order for a bullet to have entered “the mid-section of the frontal part of his neck” the President would have had to turn completely around just before the shot was fired. ___________________ Jack Minnis did graduate work in Political Science at Tulane University and now works in the South. Staughton Lynd received his Ph.D. in History from Columbia University. His articles and reviews have appeared in Commentary, the Political Science Quarterly and the William and Mary Quarterly. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/The_critics/L...s_of_doubt.html B.....

Senator Arlen Specter's B.S. "One Bullet Theory" Part 1 Dr.Cyril Wecht: Harold Wiesberg : David Wrone...Robert Groden..Dr.RobertShaw, who operated on Connally and :..Much information within the series...... In part 1: The Government construction of the SBT..etc.10.minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klvY-0e9CNs...feature=related Part 2. 10 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbfIMA9KQUY...feature=related Part 3: 10 minutes The President's Death certificate states the back wound at.....T3. The autopsy report from Bethesda states back wound at T.3 as well as Dr.Burkley's wound description sheet...that also states back wound entry at T 3.. The Bethesda autopsy.........as well as the W/C report state the back wound is presumably of entry........and the throat wound is presumably of exit..2.00 min. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbNlQxOCl48...feature=related Part 4: 10 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byEBmB8eOG0...feature=related Part 5: 3 minutes long.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za2HrUU8ACY...feature=related B..

Are you referencing the sharpened-up version of the '78 cracks that John Hunt borrowed from Anthony Marsh's site without bothering to give him credit? Shall we then ask 'new to whom'? Go see for yourself, if you have not by now........and tell us, you are a member. B..... Sure looks like it. An issue that has not yet been addressed is why the cracks would be 'identical' after 15 years? The windshield was kicked out of the limo by the Arlington Glass men and then stored in an SS closet. It was also moved to different places, including the VA building where James Hosty gave his WC testimony and viewed it there. There should be some changes to the cracks. What is compelling in terms of determining if this is the same windshield that was in the car during the FBI exam is the presence of the long cracks in the windshield that corroborate its being pushed out of the limo, per the Ferguson memo. That is exactly what Martin Hindrich's informed you of yesterday Pam, on Duncan's site.... Martin has applied for membership here in the EF, so that he can post his own information, re his study, he had not heard back as yet, I am hoping he is allowed to join, as this is his work, none others..and he should have that right if possible.........imo.. Here was his information as posted yesterday to Pamela, & Jerry at Duncan's Forum........I cannot post the photos within his information, in reference so they will follow below.... B.... Quote from: Pamela Brown on Today at 04:02:40 PM ""You may also want to take into account what happened to the windshield during the intervening years. Robert Frazier took CE 350 at 1 a.m. 11.23.63. Subsequent to that, the windshield was kicked out by the feet of the Arlington Glass men, per the Ferguson memo, and then it was put into storage in various places. It was taken to the Veterans Building where James Hosty saw it prior to giving his WC testimony. It had been handled by various people at different times. It would hardly be realistic for the cracks to be precisely the same dimension 15 years later as they were on the night after the assassination. "" Hi Pamela and welcome aboard. Thats the reason why i guided Jerry to the last image i've attached. The prominent cross crack is missing in the HSCA photo. all the best Martin Martin Quote "It appeared to me also that the camera shooting the HSCA photo, was slightely tilted. Look below please. The two longest remarkeable cracks are easy to distinguish as good reference. I've rotated the HSCA photo to an angle which fits approx the angle from the FBI. Does it help to compare both images? I'am not sure. Look at 2 and 3 for instance please, Jerry. The angle is far from being the same and crack 2 is so prominent and thick in the HSCA photo but not in the FBI photo. Crack 3 in the HSCA photo is short but in the FBI photo pretty long. I do not wanna judge, but is it possible the HCSA have tried to reenacte this windshield cracks in 1978? As far as i know the windshield of the presidential limousine was later removed from the auto and suffered by several additional damages. Robin posted this image on Lancer. We should see the remarkable cross crack in the HSCA photo, which happend while detaching the windshield from the limo!? all the best to you" Martin http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index...opic,813.0.html B...

Are you referencing the sharpened-up version of the '78 cracks that John Hunt borrowed from Anthony Marsh's site without bothering to give him credit? Shall we then ask 'new to whom'? Go see for yourself, if you have not by now........and tell us, you are a member. B.....

New research comparison of the John Hunt graphic comparison pictures of the cracks in the windshield....FBI 1963 and 1978 by the HSCA....by Martin Hinrichs.....at Duncan McacRae's Forum.... Do not match, similar to Chris Davison's Gif seen in this thread.......and others input at the Lancer Forum.. http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index...opic,813.0.html B......

Don click Thompson's video above, same info as from MIDP...and within others.....about Ms Wright..... and the other bullet her hubby found, no different... B.....

Don : This is the rest of what I have in the dungeons.... FBI CE2011 (24H412) ......Wright and the bullet: "On June 12, 1964, O.P. Wright, Personnel Officer, Parkland Hospital, Dallas, Texas, advised Special Agent Bardwell D. Odum that Exhibit C1, a rifle slug, shown to him at the time of the interview, looks like the slug found at Parkland Hospital on November 22, 1963, which he gave to Richard Johnsen, Special Agent of the Secret Service. He stated he was not present at the time the bullet was found, but on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, as he entered the Emergency Unit on the ground floor of the hospital, Mr. Tomlinson, an employee, called to him and pointed out a bullet, which was on a hospital carriage at that location. He estimated the time as being within an hour of the time President Kennedy and Governor Connally were brought to the hospital. He advised he could not postiviely identify C1 as being the same bullet which was found on November 22, 1963." THE GUN THAT DIDN'T SMOKE* Copyright © 1994, 1997 by Walter F. Graf and Richard R. Bartholomew Part Three During an interview conducted on 9/29/92, the author learned that Johnsen did not remember having possession of CE399, the "magic" bullet that tied Oswald to the murder of JFK! In addition, although the bullet was "officially" found on a stretcher in the corridor of Parkland Hospital, the FBI reported that it was found in the emergency room.(CD 7) To compound matters, the same FBI agents bypassed Agent Johnsen and spoke to Agent Behn (who wasn't in Dallas) about "the location of a bullet which had been found on a stretcher at Parkland." (Sibert & O'Neil, 11/27/63) Finally, although two FBI agents initialed the bullet they received, Johnsen did not, breaking the chain of custody. (24 H 412) When we consider further that O.P. Wright, the man who allegedly gave the bullet to Johnsen, does not even mention this very important find in his report, and that Darrell [sic] Tomlinson, the man who found the bullet in the first place, stated that the bullet in government hands is NOT the bullet he actually found, we have serious pause to wonder: is there more to Johnsen's present "amnesia" over this evidence than meets the eye? (Price exhibits, WC Volume XXI; 2 H 412; see also "High Treason, page 102) O.P. Wright told CBS' Eddie Barker: "...I got hold of a Secret Service man and they (sic) didn't seem to be interested in coming and looking at the bullet in the position it was in then. So I went back to the area where Mr. Tomlinson was and picked up the bullet and put it in my pocket, and I carried it some 30 or 40 minutes. [emphasis Graf's and Bartholomew's] And I gave it to a Secret Service man that was guarding the main door into the emergency room..." Who was the first agent Wright spoke to? ("Postmortem," page 46) [emphasis Palamara's except where indicated]153 http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/gtds_3.html B...

Hi Don : Here is some information...... P: 93 "Murder In Dealey Plaza"....2000. "In 1993 Wallace Milam , a highly respected researcher , interviews Elizabeth Goode Wright, the director of nursing at Parkland in 1963, Ms.Wright reveals for the first time that TWO bullets had been found at the hospital on 22 November 1963, both by her husband O.P.Wright,( now deceased ), who was then director of Parkland security. Mr Wright is widely known as one of the handlers of the "Magic Bullet"..prior to it's receipt by the Secret Service. But according to Ms. Wright, her husband also found an unfired whole bullet that same day on a hospital gurney. This one was not turned over to authourities., as Ms.Wright had kept it all these years, and displayed it to Milam. The bullet is an unfired , "whole" .38 with manufacturer's case markings ".38 SP WCC".... the very same markings as 2 of the 4 shell casings allegedly retrieved from the Tippit scene and supposedly matched to the pistol taken from Oswald at the time of his arrest..... Short video......repeating said info...... http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/b/b...chers_hires.mov EF thread.... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7448 The Secret Service and CE 399 by Vincent Michael Palamara http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara.htm B......

Jerry Logan for.......Josiah ""John Hunt photographed Frazier’s contemporaneous notes of his examination of the windshield while he was doing research in the Archives on the FBI Lab. Were these published anywhere else? "" *************************** ""Josiah Thompson also wrote: Then we published for the first time Frazier's notes when he examined the windshield starting a little after 1:00 AM on the morning of November 23rd. "" Anthony Marsh has stated this information below on the alts..in a thread named......... "ETERNAL RETURN: A Hole Through the Windshield? New article up." on July 10/09 ""First time? I have been posting those notes in the newsgroups for several years. "" Shortcut to: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassi...b50498dd26f687f B.......

Please also weigh the following information.... p; 140 MIDP...2000 : Doug Weldon....Interviewed Dr.Evalea Glanges ( her first name is mispelt BTW .in the article that has been posted )......... in January 1999..." She confirmed that she was 100% certain that there was a hole in the windshield in the limousine at Parkland hospital "...She was looking forward to her retirement....Unfortunately she died on 2/ 27/1999..... Seen below Vince Palamara, also, just before her death on Feb .27/99...Received this email in her own words,from Dr.Evalea Glanges...written December 2, 1998.....verifying her information given to Weldon in her interview....as well as heard and seen in TMWKK.... Vince Palamara 12/1/98 3) Evalea Glanges, M.D. "December 2, 1998 [received 1/12/99] Dear Mr. Palamara, In reply to your letter in regard to the events at Parkland Hospital on that fateful date November 22, 1963. I was present at Parkland Hospital on that date in my role as a 2nd year medical student. I observed President Kennedy's limousine outside the emergency entrance. Another student and I went closer to observe the limousine and the damage to the front windshield. Secret Service agents appeared and moved the car to another location. There was a bullet hole in the windshield. I believe that the entire story has never been told. Sincerely, Evalea Glanges, M.D. " B.....

Photo of Sorrel........or..as Vince put it.... Most of us have the photo and we don't even know it ........LOL see below found on Page 59 of Robert Groden's "The Killing Of A President".. along with SS Youngblood & LBJ.. I checked some photos and believe this is also ........Sorrels.. seen below, with Robert Oswald & Marina leaving Parkland..... For quite some time, some have tried to ID this man with Youngblood and LBJ.... I recall at one time him being compared to a man known as a Gen.Pash or some such..name ..?? I hope this clarifies the information for us.... Thanks to Vince.....whose work within the realms of the SS..is unprecedented.. B....

SSC U.E.Baughman Vincent Palamara Archive - Write to Vince at vmplac@telerama.com Potpourri: Chief, SS, DNC, Chicago agents: Washington Post 7/25/61- "U.E. Baughman, 55, Chief of the United States Secret Service, is resigning, it was learned [Monday] night. After 34 years in the SS, 13 as Chief...He has no plans for private employment at the moment."[baughman was "retired" by JFK during the same time period that CIA Director Allen Dulles was "retired"!]; Washington Post 9/2/61- " 'Oh, My!' gasped Mrs. Rowley as the ad libbing bystander sidled over to greet them with easy effusion. It was obvious that President Kennedy's presence at the ceremony was as unexpected as it had been unannounced...Kennedy quipped,' He (Rowley) hasn't lost a President in all[his time with the Secret Service].On a record like that, he deserves a promotion."; Washington Post 7/26/61- Interview with Baughman: " I WILL SAY EMPHATICALLY THAT THERE IS NO MAFIA IN THIS COUNTRY AND NO NATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE. WHY DON'T THOSE WHO TALK ABOUT THE MAFIA NAME ITS LEADER OR LEADERS? THERE HAS BEEN NO MAFIA IN THIS COUNTRY FOR AT LEAST FORTY YEARS. NOW ABOUT A NATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE: I SAY THERE IS NO SUCH THING, AND I SAY IT NOT SIMPLY AS A PERSONAL JUDGMENT BUT ON THE BASIS OF TALKS WITH OTHER ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS"-! No wonder JFK got rid of Baughman- I'm sure the Attorney General (RFK) appreciated the Chief's "wisdom", no doubt originating from Hoover. Who knows- maybe Carlos Marcello was a mere tomato salesman as FBI agent Regis Kennedy declared(!)... http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/0025-VP.TXT SA IC Dallas.....Sorrels Forrest W/C Testimony 1,2,& Affidavit http://jfkassassination.net/russ/wit.htm#s He was good friends with Phillip Willis....who took the film.Sorrels telling him after, that shots had come from the knoll.....fence area.. Thanks Tom much appreciation, for all your efforts...... B......

Peter: You may be interested in these three articles and information from Former Chief of the SS... U.E Baughman, at that time.... B....

Thanks Bernice. The search goes on. Robin : I have gathered SS books, they do show some photos, but never the names even at this late date..... One of these days.... B...

Now that is interesting!....... By the way, what was the bubble top made of? I'm sure it would have made a shot more difficult to aim and perhaps slowed the bullet from some directions, I don't think it would prevent a fatal shot and certainly not from the front - either from GK or sewer. Given all else that happened one can only draw the conclusion the top was removed so as to FURTHER ensure the pre-planned assassination would go without out a hitch....along with the pre-positioned teams of assassins; removal of MI and Police to protect, watch crowd, close windows, etc.; sharp-turn and less-than-specified speed; position of target car in motorcade; removal of SS agents from on and near car; police sideriders pulled-back, et al. ad nauseum....... Peter: See below......Yes from what I have studied, it may have diverted a shot...They had been looking into a type of new plastic that would have been used for tests of bullet penetration.......I agree all appeared to be in order...for the conclusion of assassination.. B......

Robin, Of the photos I have of the SS.....I have never seen one of Sorrels,yet.. B..

Bill: Info Sorrels , Lawson & Moyer http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...absPageId=40132 & Ms.Elizabeth Harris http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=526 B......

TMWKK, The Final Chapter, ep.7 The Smoking Guns, seg.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTeQ9ckmD8 TMWKK, The Final Chapter, ep.7 The Smoking Guns, seg.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW-bxxZfcM...feature=related TMWKK, The Final Chapter, ep.7 The Smoking Guns, seg.3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMXfBgjsh0 Kennedy Assassination Chronicles, Volume 5, Issue 1 Current Section: A Study of the Presidential Limousine, by Doug Weldon http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=35 B.......

Greg, Neville : Here is a clearer photo of Bonnie Rae Williams... Taken not too long after, I am led to believe..... The one of bookeeper Otis was taken some years later. These are all, that I have been able to gather of the TSBD employees in the past.. Hopefully others will become available within the books.... B....

Robert : Here is some further Dallas Cinema information, from a post I made a couple of years back.... Thanks for the additional link.....and information.... Ernest Mentesana & the Dallas Cinema Associates Film. He was interviewed by Agents E .F. Petrakis and A Raymond Switzer on April 23rd/64. Who stated that he had been in the freight yards near the TSBD, and had taken film of "the turmoil in and around the Depository Building . “ He was with the Dallas Cinema Associates. He informed the FBI all about the Company, the leading figure, Mrs. Irving Gewertz, how many photographers had contributed their film footage to such, (18) and other information. He was under the impression that the film was presently being prepared for marketing on the home-movie market. It then took the FBI a month to get around to seeing a Rudolf Viktor Brenk, an amateur photographer, who edited the films. The story was that the Dallas Cinema Associates had a plan, which was to make a film of the "last hour of the President", he was not interested in the assassination scene. He was looking for a photographic record of the entire Dallas Trip, beginning at the airport, with the happy President and his smiling wife in as many different poses and locations as possible. As late as May 20/64 the FBI knew where to get every scrap of all the original DCA footage, everything not schmaltzy that Brenk had edited out. There is no record that they ever did or wanted to. The unpublished footage, that was all important, or could have been to the investigation, and all that original footage was of no interest to them. They finally got around to interviewing Mrs. Gewertz, who was the person most responsible for the org. of DCA and the production of its film. It was exactly 6 months after the assassination of President Kennedy. She had conceived the idea of assembling the movie and she had located others whose footage was used. She telephoned residences along the route and the first person with film had agreed to help her locate others. She also approached the camera shops, learning that others had the same idea, so they had combined to form the Dallas Cinema. She told them, as if they, the FBI didn't know that Phil Willis was one of them. They approached him 30 days later, June 19/64. The FBI finally got to him just at the time of the publication of a dozen of his photos. Just as it got to the DCA people as their film was to be made commercially available. There is no evidence that the FBI obtained a copy of the DCA film, neither for the WC nor for itself. It was not the Commission, strange as it may seem that decided whether any film contained evidence, but the FBI. Mentesana had taken his first film of the motorcade on the median strip on Turtle Creek Rd. and was able to obtain approximately ten feet of 8mm movie film of the motorcade, using a Wollensak Movie Camera, with a 1.9 lens and Kodachrome 11 Film. He estimated the time of the passing motorcade to have been approximately 12.10 to 12.12pm. He then took his employee, Arden Wilson, immediately back to his "Mentesana Grocery Store", dropped him off, and continued to the Katy Railroad Freight Depot near the TSBD, to pick up some food stuffs. He learned of the shooting of the President and started filming and took several feet of film of the occurrences in and around the TSBD Building. The Fox film company of Dallas processed it. Being a member of the” Dallas 8mm Movie Club", as well as Albert Bunnell, who also had film, had called him and told him about Mrs. Irving Gewertz .They had all attended a meeting and the plan was to exchange copies of each others films. They then formed the group totaling 18 in number and incorporated it in March 64, and that a film would be prepared for marketing. Note: Rudolf Brenk, took his film of the motorcade from the northwest corner of Harwood and Ross Sts. at approximately 12.20pm. Using a Cames Eight- Millimeter movie camera loaded with Dynachrome color film, the Dynachrome Co. of Halifax St. in Dallas had developed the film. He was the VP of the Cinema Guild of Texas. Albert Bunnell had put Mrs. Gewertz in contact with him. They met at the Community Room of the Republic Savings and Loan Association along with others, and ran their films for the group. Some other names were, Mr. Wynn Parr, and Mr. George Shawver. The group eventually turned over their original films to Brenk, for editing he ultimately combined them, what he felt were the valuable portions of the films, into one single film. He subtitled and completed the film. He estimated it to be one hundred seventy-five feet, excluding leaders and having a running time of approximately twelve minutes at sixteen frames a second. Brenk then sent the film to the Technicolor Inc. of Burbank California, for further processing in an effort to achieve more uniformity in shading and coloring. He advised that the cost of the master film from the Company amounted to a charge of $13.50 from each of the 18 members. A total of $121.50. He received the first answer print from Technicolor approx. May1/64. A few changes were made at his request, and the two other answer prints were received May 18/64. The group had signed a contract with Sanger-Harris Department Stores of Dallas, allowing them exclusive rights of sale in the Dallas area only, for a one month trial period to allow his group to test the public acceptance. They were to be ready for sale about the middle of June 64, the completed retail price being set at $24.95. The FBI could have learned the names of all the filmers but did not bother to. They were not sought out, though they may have been able to tell them of other photographers, they were not questioned. Eventually Brenk took a list of all to the United States Attorney for Dallas as well as a copy of the film. Mrs. Irving (Anita) Gewertz, she and her son, Martin had driven to Cedar Springs Rd, to see the motorcade, at approximately 11.30pm, they had listened to the progress of the motorcade at her husbands place of employment, Roscoe Dewitt Architect 2025 Cedar Springs, in the parking lot. She, as well as her husband and son, had walked to the road about 12.05pm and waited, on the North side. Her son had an 8mm Bell and Howell camera, The camera was not working properly and he son was very frustrated, as the motorcade passed at about 12.20pm. So they then went to the Trade Mart When they arrived at Irving Blvd and the service Rd of the Stemmons Freeway, they noticed a group of picketers who were awaiting the Presidents arrival. She said about 8 or 10 were carrying various signs which were anti Kennedy and his policies, and that they had tape over their mouths. Shortly after arriving they heard sirens and saw the lights of the motorcade proceeding North on Stemmons, at an unusually high rate of speed, which surprised them. As they passed she noticed a SS man lying on the back of the President's car pounding his fist on the hull of the car. then shortly after they heard the announcement on the car radio of the shooting. Hearing this they then drove to Parkland Hospital, where they observed a hearse leaving at about 2pm, of which her son took a film, they learned later it contained the President's body. The next day they visited the TSBD area and took films. They then drove to LHO's rooming house on Beckley and took stills. The film was developed at Sanger-Harris Dept Store. They complained that the camera had not worked properly at the time the motorcade had passed, and the manager offered that several people had brought in film, and perhaps they would share theirs with her by obtaining copies. That is when she got the idea of telephoning people along the route. That is when she was in contact with a Mrs. Frances Hays who also had film and offered to help her locate others. It was her intention to secure and gather a film sequence for her own use and to keep as a memorial to President Kennedy. However after she had made calls, many were very interested and she decided that the films sequences might be put together and made available to the general public. Another she learned of was an O.B. Ashmore who had taken still photographs, in the vicinity of the Trade Mart. On July 16/64 ... the DOJ, Hoover to Rankin…… A film has been examined that was furnished by the Wolper Prods Inc. it was found to show very little of the President's motorcade during the firing of the assassinations shots. Should members wish to view this film, please advice us....... the roll of film you furnished is returned herewith.... July 23/64.... Hoover to Rankin, Reference is made in your letter dated Jul.16/64 enclosing letter from Martha Joe Stroud, Asst USA, Dallas. and a film referred to......This has been reviewed in the FBI Laboratory and found to contain very little of the President's motorcade during the firing of the assassination shots. "It is noted the portion of the film depicting the motorcade on Elm St. at the assassination site is a copy of the same film that was furnished to the Commission by the Wolper Prod. The Wolper film was furnished to us with your letter dated June 3/64. Was examined and returned to you with a letter dated June 16/64." "The film that you submitted with your letter dated July 16/64, is attached." July10/64. USDOJ Dallas, Stroud to Howard Willens President's Commission. Mr. Rudy Brenk brought the enclosed film into this office today.. He states there are no other persons that took film at the scene of the assassination so far as he knows. I am attaching a list of photographers who furnished film for "President Kennedy's Final Hour". Mr. Brenk wants the film back unless the Commission wants to buy it. It costs $24.95. List of names associated with the Dallas Cinema.. Mr. Dick Allen: George Shawver : Wynn Parr: Rudy Brenk: Bryant ..ren? Earl Nester ?: Dr. Howard Seigler: Irving Gewertz: Charles Mentesana: Larry Thomas:…..next crossed out..again next crossed out……..Allen Rhodes, Albert Benell: George Kincaid: Joe Brown: C. W. Gray: Mrs. Hazel Randell: but Randell has an x through it ? and something unlegible written over it.? Mr. Speigle: Mr.John Martin. And there it lies, unless there is more info that I have not come across perhaps somewhere there is an old copy, of the film in a box or in someone’s attic, a researcher's shelf ?somewhere. in Dallas.? Information from Harold Weisberg “Photographic Whitewash".1967. Mentesana.mpg http://www.jfk-online.com/Mentesana.mpg Here is some further info, about the Dallas Cinema Film.....Mentesana and the others. Two other film clips, but very little.. from Bart Cop. On their page below as well, if these following links do not work.. Scroll down..... http://www.geocities.com/verisimus101/sbt.htm Film clips. http://mailafriend.guide.real.com/index.ht...u.edu%2fdca1.rm http://mailafriend.guide.real.com/index.ht...u.edu%2fdca1.rm Old posts of 1992 & 96 that might be of interest... 1996 The Dallas Cinema film http://www.constitution.org/piml/96060508.txt The Assassination scene in Dallas 1992 http://www.anomalies.net/archive/wiretap/C...ry/jfk-foto.lis Inventory of the Records of the Warren Commission Entry 18: Films 1963, 6 inches Arranged as follows: one 16-mm, reel consisting of a silent WDSU-TV (New Orleans) film taken on August 16, 1963, of Lee Harvey Oswald distributing leaflets on behalf of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and on August 12, 1963, outside the Municipal Court at New Orleans on the day of Oswald's court appearance, and a sound film interview on August 21, 1963, at the WDSU studios shortly after a radio program in which Oswald participated; an 8-mm. film entitled "President Kennedy's Final Hour," produced by Dallas Cinema Associates, Inc., from films taken by photographers along the route of the President's motorcade; a 16-mm. film of the President's motorcade taken by an unidentified amateur photographer, furnished to the Commission by Wolper Productions, Inc.; a 16-mm. film which includes scenes of District Attorney Wade of Dallas speaking in the Dallas Police Department building and some silent film; a 16-mm. film of Lee Harvey Oswald speaking in the assembly room of the Dallas Police Department; a 16-m. film of unidentified origin, accompanied by an explanatory Secret Service memorandum, showing an aerial view of the site of the assassination and an interview with a gunsmith concerning Oswald's rifle and the mounting of telescopic sights; reels 65 and 66 of 16-mm. National Broadcasting Co. film relating to the shooting of Oswald; and an 8-mm. United Press International film showing only a title relating to the assassination. For the Zapruder film (CE 904), Nix (CE 905), and Muchmore (CE 906) films, see Entry 42. For the Zapruder slides (CD 858), see Entry 8. Entry 19: Radio Tape Recordings 1963, 12 feet http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warre...?template=print Dallas Cinema Associates Documents http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/dca.html DCA JFK assassination aftermath Some frames from the DCA B...

Doug here are a few showing the components of the XP 100 ....roof... B..

""However, what seems clear from other witness reports and photos is the extreme unlikelihood of Glanges claim to have “leaned against the fender” of the limousine. She claims to have done this shortly before the car was driven away. Although it took a few moments to place a law enforcement cordon around the limousine, law enforcement officers then kept civilians back from the limousine: "" Not all by far and not in a few moments. B..

Dave, Bill Here are three of William Weston's..... B.... Dealey Plaza Echo, Volume 10, Issue 1 Current Section: The Spider's Web: The Texas School Book Depository and the Dallas Conspiracy, by William Weston http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=7 The Fourth Decade, Volume 1, Issue 4 Current Section: 411 Elm Street, by William Weston http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=24 The Third Decade, Volume 9, Issue 6 The Transplantation of the Texas School Book Depository http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=25