Bernice Moore

Hi Jack : If you go into Sylvia Meagher's book.."Accessories After the Fact ".....she and Tink did see the Zapruder film, not too long after, she speaks of seeing it several times .... Now she was not into the photos as we know now, but I would have thought they, meaning she and Tink within their books, would have hopefully described what they saw....neither did... I have in the past searched high and wide for eithers descriptions, and it simply is not there......though she stated it was horrendous, or some such wording.... So some did see it, early, they did have not a copy but did have access to viewing, through Life, yet for some reason there was no further information given...... B......

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John Kelin :"I am especially interested in the earliest of Mary Ferrell's material, specifically the index cards she began creating almost right after the assassination. I need to find out what happened to this stuff. I hope it still exists, but she told a newspaper, sometime around 2000/2001, that she wanted some of her stuff destroyed upon her death." Hi John : Enjoyed your book, the first researchers have as well as their invaluable information, long been ignored..by I feel the many ...My choice has always been the first day evidence as well as the original studies and first books, etc, though not ignoring the new information as it has become available.....but learning to question all .... it seems for years the many were more interested in the newer books, and research, which at times has been wanting and at others misinformative..until shown.....mo.. I cannot aid you in where exactly all of Mary's information is stored, though Rex Bradford did post at that time that Charles mentioned, and did assure all they were stored high, dry and safe..and that he was in the process of the immense job of downloading...such ..on the site....for..the rest ?? of the information you would have to approach him...and perhaps you can find out further information for all....But I will say I have and do see since the site came onboard, that there is an on going updating of information and downloading of her vast information... At the Mary Ferrell site, there are her Chronologies as well as her data base.....Below is the information from the site in reference to what you questioned and called her index files, which are now called...the Mary Ferrell Database.....but to access one must subscribe and visit with some regularity...to see what is constantly new, and to read...to try to stay up..to date...to some degree. ""The Mary Ferrell Database is an extensive reference system, containing over 10,000 entries for names and organizations relevant to researchers of the JFK assassination. Mary developed the database over many years, starting with index cards and eventually developing a DOS-based electronic database. The MFF has taken this electronic database and made it available and searchable on the internet. You can browse the database or search it. To browse, select the first letter of the name you're looking for (for persons, use their last name). Or just enter a name or phase into the search box for quicker access. Each database entry includes the name, notes written by Mary Ferrell, and source references for those notes. You may add your own comments to an entry."" Take care .......am a waiting a second book....?? B....

Professor McKnight, thanks for your research which culminated in publishing Breach of Trust. In your book you cite the accounts of Viola Adams, Carolyn Arnold, Pierce Allman and Terrance Ford. You also describe the conflicting testimonies of Lovelady and Shelley. My question: Is there evidence not contained in Breach of Trust that helped you conclude that it was Oswald in Altgen's photo? I keep wondering why Oswald said he was on the first floor during the assassination instead of in the doorway where a perfect alibi would await if one of his co-workers had happened to notice him there. I wonder how his framers could have allowed him to be in such a crowded and visible place, where a positive identification could have ruined all their plans. *********** Hello Professor McNight , and it's good to see you here posting..... Bernice...... ********* Hello Mike..... Re the Captain Fritz notes....that Walt Brown found...Fritz states he, LHO, said he was "out with Bill Shelley in front"... Just posting the one, all are available....as well as the history....of the find. FWTW...... http://www.jfk-info.com/notes1.htm The Best to all for the News Years,.... B......

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And a very Merry Christmas as well as a Good New Year to you and yours also...Tim... as well as to all the membership...... B........

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Wim : When you click for a full view, your attachment does not......well for moi.... Anyone else......?? B....

************ Hi Pat: Yes, I read his book also when it was first released, it is one that is well worth the money, which seems to be seldom......these days. And has now and I think perhaps with some, will become somewhat of a reference book......you are correct when you mention how the official story has changed, in many areas...... It certainly has many gems within.... Movie, naw, they are all too busy with leading the public astray, to ever complete a worthwhile project...... B...... P.S..Cliff: The Bug doesn't know xxxxe from brains...he was paid to do so imo......no surprise.....

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Ron...the "so-called telephone car" was called the Press Pool Car carrying the reporters from the major news services, including AP's Merriman Smith. It was on loan from the telephone company and did have a mobile phone (rare in those days). If you check, as I did, there were four HARDTOP cars at the front of the parade... 1. Pilot Car...white Ford 2. Lead Car...white Ford 3. Halfback...pale yellow Mercury (seen in Altgens behind LBJ) 4. Press Pool...gray Chevrolet The Pilot Car was ahead of the lead motorcycles, and cannot be in Wiegman. THREE HARDTOP CARS ARE SEEN IN WIEGMAN. The Chevy Press Pool car is in the foreground. The OTHER TWO CARS CAN ONLY BE CURRY AND HALFBACK! All others were convertibles. Check it out, and tell me what the two sedans are ahead of the Press Pool car. Jack **************** These may help........... B...

Yet Another Eyewitness by John Kelin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A newly-discovered document is providing additional corroboration to the claim that Lee Harvey Oswald left Dealey Plaza in a Rambler station wagon in the aftermath of the JFK assassination --- and not as the Warren Commission claimed. Kansas researcher Chris Courtwright recently came across an FBI document at Archives II in College Park, Maryland, which tells the story of eyewitness Roy Cooper. This important document, an FBI affidavit, provides new corroboration to former Dallas Sheriff's Deputy Roger Craig, who in 1963 reported an observation virtually identical to that reported by Cooper. The Cooper document states: To: SAC, Dallas From: SA Earle Haley Subject: Assassination of President Kennedy Mr. Roy Cooper, Route 1, Box 135A, Euless, Texas, phone Butler 3-2640, furnished the following information at 12:15 p.m. this date [ll-23-63]. He related an incident about a Nash Rambler being seen leaving the building at Elm and Houston on 11/22/63. He was driving his car and following his boss who was driving a Cadillac. They were coming south on Houston and had to wait for the parade and the incident happened shortly after they reached this intersection. Cooper observed a white male somewhere between 20 and 30 years of age wave at a Nash Rambler station wagon, light colored, as it pulled out and was ready to leave from Elm and Houston. This station wagon pulled out real fast in front of the Cadillac driven by his boss and his employer had to stop abruptly and nearly hit this Nash Rambler. Cooper could not see who was driving the Nash Rambler and could not furnish any further description of the man who jumped into this car. They drove off at a rather fast rate of speed and went down toward the overpass toward Oak Cliff. Cooper was following his immediate supervisor Mr. Marvin C. Robinson who was taking his Cadillac home to Oak Cliff. Cooper was then to pick up Robinson and they were to go back to their employment in Garland in his car. He advised that Marvin C. Robinson resides on Marsalis Street in Dallas and that the house is five doors off Loop 12 but he does not have the exact residence. Cooper and Robinson are both employed at Ling Temco Vought at Garland, Texas. He stated that Robinson would either be at home today or might be on duty at the Naval Air Station at Grand Prairie. He believed that Robinson could give further information about the Rambler station wagon, also the driver and the rider. Marvin Robinson is long known to have filed a report supporting Deputy Craig's story. Robinson's FBI statement (CD 5, p. 70, though not published in the WC material; see also HSCA vol. 12, p. 18) says: MARVIN C. ROBINSON, 5120 South Marsalis Avenue, telephone number FRanklin 4-5834, advised that approximately between 12:30 and 1:00p.m. on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, while traveling west on Elm Street he crossed the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets shortly after the assassination of President KENNEDY. ROBINSON stated that after he had crossed Houston Street and was in front of the Texas School Book Depository building a light colored Nash stationwagon suddenly appeared before him. He stated this vehicle stopped and a white male came down the grass covered incline between the building and the street and entered the stationwagon after which it drove away in the direction of the Oak Cliff section of Dallas. ROBINSON stated he does not recall the license number on the stationwagon or whether or not it bore a Texas license plate. He stated further that he did not pay particular attention to the individual who entered the stationwagon and would be unable to identify him. ROBINSON was unable to furnish any pertinent information concerning the assassination of President KENNEDY. Roger Craig told the Warren Commission he saw a man he identified as Oswald flee Dealey Plaza in a Nash Rambler station wagon driven by a second man, ten to fifteen minutes after Kennedy's murder. Just who was driving this vehicle, and who owned it, could go a long way toward explaining what really happened to President Kennedy. See the article, Possible Discovery of an Automobile Used in the JFK Conspiracy, by Richard Bartholomew, in this issue of Fair Play. Craig's assertions appear in three different documents published in the Warren Commission volumes, two of them dated 11-23-63 and the third dated 11-25-63. Each specifically mentions a Rambler, although his published testimony before the Commission, taken April 1, 1964, does not. Craig said his references to a Rambler were changed to "station wagon." Officially, Oswald fled the area minutes after the slaying by foot, bus, and finally taxicab, which took him to within blocks of his Oak Cliff rooming house. The Commission states on page 160 of its Report that it "could not accept important elements of Craig's testimony," and that while Craig may have seen someone fleeing, "this man was not Lee Harvey Oswald." Craig has been a favorite target of Warren Commission apologists, in spite of a growing body of evidence he was telling the truth. He was fired by the Dallas County Sheriff's office in 1967, and committed suicide in 1975 at the age of 39. The Roy Cooper in these FBI documents is not to be confused with the former KTVH cameraman of the same name. Cooper the cameraman rescued outtakes of assassination coverage from the wastebasket. This footage was largely unknown until the spring of 1996. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Officer Seymour Weitzman, part of the Dallas police search team, later described the discovery of the rifle on the afternoon of November 22. He stated that it had been so well hidden under boxes of books that the officers stumbled over it many times before they found it. Officer Weitzmann, who had an engineering degree and also operated a sporting goods store, was recognized as an authority on weapons. Consequently, Dallas Homicide Chief Will Fritz, who was on the scene, asked him the make of the rifle. Weitzman identified it as a 7.65 Mauser, a highly accurate German-made weapon. Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig was also there and later recalled the word "Mauser" inscribed in the metal of the gun. And Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone executed a sworn affidavit in which he described the rifle as a Mauser. As late as midnight November 22, Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade told the media that the weapon found was a Mauser. … when the smoke cleared and all the law enforcement authorities in Dallas had their stories duly in order, the official position was that the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository was the Mannlicher-Carcano, which allegedly was linked to Oswald under an alias, and not the Mauser, which disappeared forever shortly after it reached the hands of Captain Fritz. But even this revision of the official story did not explain the third rifle. A film taken by Dallas Cinema Associates, an independent film company, showed a scene of the Book Depository shortly after the assassination. Police officers on the fire escape were bringing down a rifle from the roof above the sixth floor with the tender care you might give an infant. When the policemen reached the ground, a high-ranking officer held the rifle high for everyone to see. The camera zoomed in for a close-up. Beneath the picture was the legend, "The Assassin’s Rifle." When I saw the film, I noted that this rifle had no sight mounted on it. Thus it could not have been either the Carcano or the vanished Mauser, both of which had sights. I was not surprised to find that this third rifle, like the Mauser, had disappeared. But its existence confirmed my hypothesis that Lee Oswald could not have killed John Kennedy as the American public had been told. Setting aside the evidence of two other weapons on the scene, the incredibly accurate shooting of an incredibly inaccurate rifle within an impossible time frame was merely the beginning of the feat we were asked to believe Oswald had accomplished. (Jim Garrison, On the Trail of the Assassins, pp. 113 - Below Roger Craig on the right....... B.......

Thank you for that. I suggest all members watch this 5 part video. Yes, it make you mad to realize what the bastards did to good men like him. I suggest to give Roger Craig posthumely the "David Atlee Phillips award". That would be a laugh. I don't know who he is , but all the stuff of that user is good. http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=10G...bozia01&p=r Maybe you could send him an invitation. Does Bernice have a clearer copy of that photo? With some less harsh contrast maybe? What is the Marsh collection? Is this Anthony Marsh? When did this picture exactly come available? Little doubt in my mind we're talking about this man: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm ************* Yes it is from the Anthony Marsh collection, and as far as I know it is the only one available.. as is.......and has been available for a numbers of years now..... B........

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This is the photo of the man, that Jim Garrison showed to Roger Craig.....it is originally from the Garrison files......it became available through the Marsh collection...... B......

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"I'm just wondering where everyone is , and if there is a problem with the forum software, as only 4 people including myself have posted anything in the past 24 hours which is VERY unusual? Duncan." They have gone Dunc, one other place or playing elves.....?? B.......

*********** Hi John..... Two MC riders stopped on Elm, Clyde Haygood parked his bike just in front of the turnpike sign, on the right hand side , looking at the overpass.... and ran up the knoll to the corner of the fence and Overpass.. ...Bobby Hargis parked his bike on the left hand side of the street, ran across the road and up to the cement wall on the left of the Pergola..Zapruder pedestal....... B,,,,, OK, thank you Bernice. Part questions answered. Thank you. Back to the 'drawing board'... ******************* John: I have found this Couch frame.....I believe it is one of Chris Davison's..... Chris correct me if this is in error....thanks... I believe it is correct..... B..... Bernice, That is either from Couch or Darnell. Robin did the labeling for us. Please remember ALL MC cops in Couch/Darnell are NOT part of the 8 MC (lead group) that we see in earlier footage. Part of the lead group is, who we see in McIntire, Bell and Daniels. Of course this is based on the existing footage that we have. The MC in Bell that Robin has supplied, is part of the lead group. chris ************** Thanks Chris: I have not my books at hand, and I knew you would be able to fill me in.... Robin thanks, and here is another frame from Bell ..FWIW..... Bests B.....

*********** Hi John..... Two MC riders stopped on Elm, Clyde Haygood parked his bike just in front of the turnpike sign, on the right hand side , looking at the overpass.... and ran up the knoll to the corner of the fence and Overpass.. ...Bobby Hargis parked his bike on the left hand side of the street, ran across the road and up to the cement wall on the left of the Pergola..Zapruder pedestal....... B,,,,, OK, thank you Bernice. Part questions answered. Thank you. Back to the 'drawing board'... ******************* John: I have found this Couch frame.....I believe it is one of Chris Davison's..... Chris correct me if this is in error....thanks... I believe it is correct..... B.....

Hi Bernice - I reviewed the frames again - I don't believe that this isn't a fair analysis. It seems clear that frames are missing - at a minimum between z312 and z313. So the movement of the film here jerks forward some one foot or so for the background. The paper backing doesn't 'appear' suddenly, it is jerked into our view. Using Moorman as my reference point. - lee ************ Lee: Now we meet again, at missing frames... I have been studying this particular gif...and I believe I am seeing what could be a " now you do Not see it, then a sudden Now you do."...? In reference to the backing.... ....Have a look at the distance all appears to move between these two frames...# 312 & 313....and the suddeness of it.......the head shot also appears what, painted in.?? or is it moi..? .....I know little of film cameras, except for what I have tried to comprehend, through the studies so my marginal knowledge is not reliable.... Perhaps you understand their workings more fully.... or someone who does, could give us a grain from their brain.... .David perhaps?..Jack ???.. Thanks........B Bernice, since we know the Zappy film is a crappy fake, I no longer study anything in it. Nothing is real. Why waste time? Jack ********************* Right Jack..... I put it away a long time ago, but every now and again it has a habit of popping up.... I am trying to figure out, with very little knowledge of cameras, if this was possible, to suddenly appear as the backing did in the Gif I posted ,or it is another sign of cut frames...... Thanks..... Frank : Below I do believe the paper backing in Bothun...... B...

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*********** Hi John..... Two MC riders stopped on Elm, Clyde Haygood parked his bike just in front of the turnpike sign, on the right hand side , looking at the overpass.... and ran up the knoll to the corner of the fence and Overpass.. ...Bobby Hargis parked his bike on the left hand side of the street, ran across the road and up to the cement wall on the left of the Pergola..Zapruder pedestal....... B,,,,,

OOOOOOpppppsssss! If you carefully examine the video taped recording of Files 2003 confession you will see & hear Files say that the sign in question is to the LEFT of a Moorman 5 photo which Files is scrutinising. Now, this means that Files is not confused in his recollection, but tentative & cautious, yet definite. That adds strong & telling evidence of basic verisimilitude. The criticism cited by Bernie above is just as questionable as Files' account. Those dogs don't hunt, EITHER! ******************** Miles : Blue does nothing for you......I believe you need to get up to full research within Mr File's information..on your own. Do not try to put Mr.Files into the Duncanman area, he is simply not there....and never was...according to his first stated information.. if he ever was in Dealey let alone behind the fence... I have the 2003, his other confession... I would suggest that you purchase Mr.Files 1994 video..." Confession of An Assassin" ....and Examine...... The 2003 version contained changes that occurred...within his story..after.....94... What is it they say about first reports...?? He says all freely, and when not asked a question continues to speak of his own thoughts.........Below is from some notes I had taken....... He says they ( he and Nicoletti ) parked in the parking lot beside the Dal Tex, there was no parking lot......the Dal Tex had none... Nicoletti asks approximately two hours before a Presidential hit, where he would postion himself, if he were him... ..Files tells him the Dal Tex....and where would...he..... "Well, I said, from looking everything over & walking in the week that I've been down here, (LHO was his tour guide ), I think I would choose up there behind the tree behind the stockade fence behind the high ridge on the knoll up there".... He and Nicoletti walked around the area, the parking lot........walked back to the car.... He was asked if he would back up Nicoletti.... They went back to the car, where he got the suitcase containing the fireball....shortly before noon...turned his jacket inside out, to the red plaid side... Went to the area walked down the grassy knoll, looked things over..no one paid any attention to him and he went back up.... Went behind the fence the big tree ...15 feet from the end of the fence... The shots......He states......Looking at JFK it was his , JFK's, left side....... He zeroed in on J.F.Ks left eye, it came (the shot ) in on the left side of the temple..left side of the head... He says .....Nicoletti's shot, hit him an instance before his shot...moving him forward like we see, ( Zapruder film ) and then Files shot.. that is why his shot hit him in the left temple.......Nicoletti hit him in the left hand side of the back of the head...and blew a hole out...????? But then that is confusing also, as then he then speaks of and motions a shot from the front to the back..blowing out the back left hand side of the President's head......?? He says ........Looking at him (Files...) the right hand side of the head????????? After the hits, there were two men about 15 feet down from him, and they turned people away as they came into the parking lot.....?? ...He then turned his jacket to the correct side out, put a cap on his head, and walked away with the suitcase, with the fireball......... He then walked to the end of the stockade fence, around down the steps.....carrying the suitcase, walked back over across the grass to the dead end street there by the parking lot..and he proceeded to cross Houston to the Dal Tex parking lot.(.That never existed ) ...they all get in the car, he drives out of the none existing parking lot, makes a right turn, which did not exist either........ He recalls after being asked about, he bit a shell and left it on the ( railing ) of the fence..... Earlier he is told that the interviewer ( B.V) has a Moorman photo, that shows him at the fence....and he is asked would he autograph it for him, he says on Sunday.. That is all and enough that concerns the fence.... William Bonnano, in his book "My Life in the Mob", stated that John Roselli confessed to him that he had shot JFK from a sewer manhole.?? B......

Here are the two large McIntire photos.... for all..... B........