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A brief recap of this 14-part video series featuring David S. Lifton, which was recorded in November of 2013:
Here's a partial list of some of the preposterous things that Mr. Lifton believed happened on November 22, 1963:
1.) A Secret Service agent was, indeed, killed on 11/22/63. And the body of this dead SS agent was then placed on board Air Force One at Love Field in Dallas. And apparently nobody noticed this occurring at all.
2.) All of the films taken in Dealey Plaza on November 22 were altered/faked (e.g., the Zapruder Film, the Nix Film, the Muchmore Film, etc.). A direct quote from David Lifton in 2013: "All the films have been altered."
3.) Prior to departing Dallas, JFK's body was evidently (per Lifton) placed on some sort of "ledge" in the cargo area of Air Force One, and then, sometime during the flight, his body fell from this ledge, resulting in a situation where one of JFK's arms was left dangling toward the floor of the cargo hold. And as a result of this, at the start of the autopsy at Bethesda, Kennedy's arm (due to the onset of rigor mortis) was sticking up, stiff as a board, and could not be lowered until Dr. Humes actually got up on the autopsy table (per Lifton's account) and forced the stiffened arm down by JFK's side.
4.) To avoid the prying eyes of the media, Air Force One made an unscheduled stop near the end of the runway after landing at Andrews Air Force Base. This was done so that JFK's corpse could be secretly taken out of the airplane's cargo hold and transferred to a helicopter.
5.) Secret Service agent John Ready "threw himself" into the Presidential limousine after the shooting, and (according to Mr. Lifton) it is Ready's foot we see sticking out of the back seat of the car in the David Miller photograph.
For this theory of Lifton's to be correct, it would mean that John Ready lied in this report.
6.) Quoting David Lifton in 2013: "He [John Connally] got shot as a result of this fight in the car [with Secret Service agent John Ready]."
I think it's now time for one of these:
WTF?!
So now we know how David Lifton managed to keep John Connally from sustaining any wounds from the rear during the period when the assassination of JFK was taking place on Elm Street. He (Lifton) merely invented this fantasy story about Secret Service agent John Ready leaping into the limousine and shooting Connally. And then John Connally, in all of his many post-1963 interviews, decided to never once mention this "fight" that he had with Ready.
Oh, brother.
7.) Lifton, as of 2013, apparently believed that President Kennedy's wounds were altered (with lightning-like speed evidently) while JFK was still aboard Air Force One at Love Field in Dallas.
I had always thought Lifton believed that the body-altering surgery was performed at Walter Reed Hospital. But I guess David decided to change the location of that part of his fanciful tale. ~shrug~
8.) Lee Harvey Oswald did, indeed, fire a rifle from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building on November 22nd....but David Lifton thinks it was merely a "mock attack" and Lee was only firing "blanks".
Well, have you had enough of this fantasy stuff for today?
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1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:
I talked to Matt and he said Lifton's hard drive crashed about two months ago.
It's nearly impossible for me to believe that David didn't have his Final Charade manuscript backed up and saved in a minimum of two other places---on his PCs and various other external hard drives.
I always make sure I have all of my files safely backed up on two external portable drives at all times.
DSL surely wasn't so short-sighted that he would keep his many years worth of work located on just one single laptop.....would he?
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1 hour ago, Paul Cummings said:
I read B.E. and it started my journey on the JFKA.
Same here. Best Evidence was the very first book I ever bought (or read) about President Kennedy's assassination. I purchased a hardcover First Edition in January of 1981. (And I wish I still had it in my collection, but unfortunately I do not.)
I disagree with just about every single conclusion that Mr. Lifton came to in the book, but I still found B.E. to be a fascinating read. I can even recall the unique (and very pleasant) smell that the book emanated. It was always a pleasure to open it up and take a big whiff. (It's funny the things that make an impression on one's memory, isn't it?)
Yes, I think David S. Lifton's "body alteration" and "casket switching" theories are pure bunk, but, boy oh boy, that man could sure write an impressive forum post. And I even had some friendly interactions with him from time to time too.
David's 1,252 posts here at The Education Forum cover a wide range of JFKA-related topics, spanning a 16-year period, from September 7, 2006, to his last post on October 31, 2022.
RIP, DSL. 😞
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On 12/6/2022 at 8:13 AM, Gene Kelly said:
March 28, 1978 (coincidentally, the day of the Three Mile Island accident)
That incident occurred in 1979, not '78.
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18 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:
I have never heard about the existence of such a car. Anybody know anything about it? And do any photos exist of it?
Upon digging a little deeper into this, I have now answered my own question (via the Cincinnati Enquirer newspaper article seen below, from June 27, 1962). Click to enlarge:
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https://blogspot.com/The-Cincinnati-Enquirer-November-23-1963
The above Cincinnati newspaper has an interesting tidbit in the article in the lower-right corner (re: limousines). It says:
I have never heard about the existence of such a companion car. Anybody know anything about it? And do any photos exist of it?
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On my computer, it says Morley's Live Stream is going to start on Dec. 6 at 12:30 PM EST, not 9:30 AM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To5UEvb5jQU
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Movie Synopsis:
Larry Buchanan directed and co-authored "The Trial Of Lee Harvey Oswald", which premiered in a Wisconsin movie theater on April 22, 1964, just five months to the day after President Kennedy was assassinated.This courtroom drama is all the more fascinating due to the fact it was made so very soon after the President's death. And if Lee Oswald had not himself been murdered just two days after JFK was killed, then many of the scenes we see played out in this film just might have actually taken place inside a real courtroom in Dallas.
This film is not to be confused with the 1977 television movie of the exact same title. Nor should it be confused with the 1986 TV docu-trial "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald".
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1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:
Something a conspirator would do afterwards! So you admit it!
Well, after all, Winston tastes good.....like a cigarette should!
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9 hours ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:
Maybe he's smoking a cigarette.
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And it looks like the LEFT rear door was also left ajar at Love Field:
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More Fort Worth pics (and videos):
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1 minute ago, Richard Price said:
The ride from the hotel to the airport, I suppose?
Yes. From the Hotel Texas to Carswell AFB in Ft. Worth.
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Richard,
The pics with the white Lincoln Continental are taken in Fort Worth on 11/22.
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1 minute ago, Gerry Down said:
JFK must have forgotten to close the door properly when he got out to greet the nun and school children during the motorcade.
I doubt very much that JFK physically left the vehicle to greet the nuns. I'm pretty certain that didn't happen.
Plus, we can see that the door is also ajar at Love Field:
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4 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:
I had some amateur freaking out on me: "Vince, do you realize this makes all bullet trajectories null and void plus it shows further incompetence on the part of Kellerman who closed the door!"
Why on Earth would the slightly ajar door make "all bullet trajectories null and void" ?????
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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5 hours ago, Miles Massicotte said:
For crying out loud, Oswald didn't even know what Marxism was. He said that he was a Marxist but not a communist, which is completely nonsensical. The backyard photos show him holding two newspapers in ideological opposition to each other (pro/anti-Trotsky). In his radio interview he seems to barely have a grasp of the subjects at hand and repeatedly fails to provide adequate answers to his interlocutor's questions about his Marxist beliefs. The idea that Oswald's motive was Marxism is laughable.
That doesn't really matter. The important thing is was what Oswald himself thought and believed (even if the things he believed were skewed).
And Oswald seemed to have a fairly strong dislike for America in general (as evidenced by some of the things LHO said in this letter [CE295] written to his brother, Robert, on November 26, 1959, while Lee was living in the Soviet Union; see excerpts from that letter in the Vincent Bugliosi book excerpt pictured below). That could have created a pretty strong motive in Oswald's warped mind right there.
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The bottom line is --- we'll never ever know for certain what "motive" Lee Harvey Oswald had for taking his own rifle to work on 11/22/63 and murdering the President. But one thing is a certainty (in my opinion) --- he had one. Because Oswald did kill John F. Kennedy.http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Oswald's Motive (Part 1)
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Oswald's Motive (Part 2)
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10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
And I think JBC is roughly right when he testified he was pushed forward by the bullet that struck him.
Even though you (should) know by now that such a thing is impossible.
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
JBC is looking towards the rear of the vehicle. After being shot through the chest?
Absolutely. No doubt about it (IMO).
And why you think such a turn by Connally would have been impossible is beyond me.
Your scenario has JBC being shot only AFTER the head shot to Kennedy, which is totally absurd. One reason being: JBC always said he heard the third (head) shot and felt the effects from that shot only AFTER he himself had been shot.
https://drive.google.com/video-file/The Zapruder Film
David Lifton's latter-day claims
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by David Von Pein
No, Lifton thinks (thought) that SS agent John Ready "threw himself" into the President's car after the shooting started (per a witness who talked to Lifton at some point).
And then---get this---Ready is the one who shot John Connally!! I mentioned this yesterday in another thread.
I'll replay my prior post here:
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A brief recap of this 14-part video series featuring David S. Lifton, which was recorded in November of 2013:
Here's a partial list of some of the preposterous things that Mr. Lifton believed happened on November 22, 1963:
1.) A Secret Service agent was, indeed, killed on 11/22/63. And the body of this dead SS agent was then placed on board Air Force One at Love Field in Dallas. And apparently nobody noticed this occurring at all.
2.) All of the films taken in Dealey Plaza on November 22 were altered/faked (e.g., the Zapruder Film, the Nix Film, the Muchmore Film, etc.). A direct quote from David Lifton in 2013: "All the films have been altered."
3.) Prior to departing Dallas, JFK's body was evidently (per Lifton) placed on some sort of "ledge" in the cargo area of Air Force One, and then, sometime during the flight, his body fell from this ledge, resulting in a situation where one of JFK's arms was left dangling toward the floor of the cargo hold. And as a result of this, at the start of the autopsy at Bethesda, Kennedy's arm (due to the onset of rigor mortis) was sticking up, stiff as a board, and could not be lowered until Dr. Humes actually got up on the autopsy table (per Lifton's account) and forced the stiffened arm down by JFK's side.
4.) To avoid the prying eyes of the media, Air Force One made an unscheduled stop near the end of the runway after landing at Andrews Air Force Base. This was done so that JFK's corpse could be secretly taken out of the airplane's cargo hold and transferred to a helicopter.
5.) Secret Service agent John Ready "threw himself" into the Presidential limousine after the shooting, and (according to Mr. Lifton) it is Ready's foot we see sticking out of the back seat of the car in the David Miller photograph.
For this theory of Lifton's to be correct, it would mean that John Ready lied in this report.
6.) Quoting David Lifton in 2013: "He [John Connally] got shot as a result of this fight in the car [with Secret Service agent John Ready]."
I think it's now time for one of these:
WTF?!
So now we know how David Lifton managed to keep John Connally from sustaining any wounds from the rear during the period when the assassination of JFK was taking place on Elm Street. He (Lifton) merely invented this fantasy story about Secret Service agent John Ready leaping into the limousine and shooting Connally. And then John Connally, in all of his many post-1963 interviews, decided to never once mention this "fight" that he had with Ready.
Oh, brother.
7.) Lifton, as of 2013, apparently believed that President Kennedy's wounds were altered (with lightning-like speed evidently) while JFK was still aboard Air Force One at Love Field in Dallas.
I had always thought Lifton believed that the body-altering surgery was performed at Walter Reed Hospital. But I guess David decided to change the location of that part of his fanciful tale. ~shrug~
8.) Lee Harvey Oswald did, indeed, fire a rifle from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building on November 22nd....but David Lifton thinks it was merely a "mock attack" and Lee was only firing "blanks".
Well, have you had enough of this fantasy stuff for today?
Yeah, me too.