Josh Cron
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Can you elaborate a little? Not all of us have Crosstrails.
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For the record, I don’t believe the body was swapped at Parkland either.
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But that's a far cry from "He helped wrap the casket in plastic"
True, I've yet to find any reference to O'Neal actually lining the casket himself other than in Death of a President. But I'll keep looking.
And a thought occurs... JFK's head is completely wrapped in a variety of things... it WAS JFK that was in that bronze casket.. right?
Interview of Aubrey Rike from High Treason 2 pg.117
"...We got some K-Y jelly and put it on him and slid the ring up."
"Then you put him in the casket?"
"Well, the priest came and gave him the last rites. Then we put him in the casket..."
"And then it was closed. You closed it?"
"Yes."
"Then, did it go right out into the middle of that battle?"
"Probably five to ten minutes after that."
I'd have to imagine if the body was swapped at Parkland, this is when it would have taken place. However, Rike goes on to state the body was not left alone at any time. Who remained with the body during that five to ten minute window, he does not say.
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O.P Wright; Parkland chief of security (21H230):
When the casket arrived it was accompanied by Pegg O'Neal, owner of the O'Neal Funeral Home. He was assisted in moving the casket into the area where the late President's body was. Approximately thirty minutes later, the casket was brought out through the door. I was told that it contained the body of the late President. It was accompanied by secret service men, Mr. O'Neal, and Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy, who walked beside it with her hand on the casket.
Doris Nelson; nurse (21H242):
The President's doctor informed me that arrangements had been made to obtain a casket for the body. Shortly afterwards, Mr. O'Neal of the O'Neal Ambulance Company, arrived with a bronze casket. Miss Hinchliffe came out, and asked for some plastic to put inside the casket. I sent Mrs. Hutton to the 2nd floor to obtain a plastic mattress cover. I went in Trauma Room #1 to determine that all was in order while Mrs. Ellis stood in the doorway. I asked David Sanders to assist the nurses in preparing the President's body before placing it in the casket. I instructed the nurses and attendants to clean up the room, and mop the floor.
After Mr. O'Neal and some of the boys who work with him, (only one of whose name I knew - Audrey Riker [sic]) placed the President in the casket, and closed it, Mrs. Kennedy went in, and sat in a chair beside it leaning her head on the casket.
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O'Neal saw the body at Parkland and helped with lining the casket.
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Belin gives nothing to coroborrate the story and makes no statement as to where the information came from. He simply lists the source for the entire chapter as:
...copies of correspondence that I retained and personal notes that I made during the course of my work as excecutive director of the Rockefeller Commission, personal correspondence with Time magazine and PBS, and copies of the formal statement I made on November 22, 1975, formally requesting that Congress reopen the Warren Commission investagation.
He does, however, state that he spoke with Rather in 1988 regarding the returning of the Z-film to the Zapruder family.
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Thought you might find this interesting if you haven't seen it before David.
From David Belin's "Final Disclosure" (1988, pg.182):
The person who had actually first contacted Abraham Zapruder after the assassinatinon was Dan Rather, CBS News, who after finding Zapruder, took the film and was able to have the processing of the film expedited.
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My condolences Kathy.
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Thanks a bunch Malcolm!
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Hey everyone,
I'm looking for a couple of articles related to Officer Earle Brown's story that the Presidential limousine stopped on the on-ramp to Stemmons.
I believe the original source of this story is a March 1980 article by Earl Golz, but I have as of yet been unable to find it, nor do I know what publication the story appeared in.
Brown goes on to tell the story again to Gary Mack, who wrote an article on in for the April 1980 issue of The Continuing Inquiry.
Any help locating either of these articles would be greatly appreciated. Is there anywhere on the internet to access all of the Continuing Inquiry issues?
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Given the above facts, tell me again how the SBT is an impossibility.
The SBT is an impossibility due to the testimony of John and Nellie Connally.
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Yes Joseph, obviously I realize the bullet hole is not visible in the youtube version of the program, otherwise I would have simply viewed the clip myself. Daniel mentioned he owned the program and I assumed it was the dvd version.
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Daniel, the quote below is from the article by Doug Horne linked to in the original post.
There is some "B-roll" in "The Smoking Guns" episode, only a little over two seconds long, which definitely appears to show the bullet hole in the limousine windshield – the through-and-through bullet hole described by the six credible witnesses cited above. This is shown during the segment of the program in which Evalea Glanges was interviewed. This "B-roll" footage appears between the times of 14:02 and 14:04 on the DVD, and consists of a total of 84 video frames (there are 30 video frames per second in a U.S. television broadcast). The black-and-white images appear to come from standard 16 mm B & W newsreel footage, taken by a stocky man wearing a hat who had approached the Presidential limousine as it was parked outside the Parkland Hospital emergency room (and before the bubble top was installed). The point of view (POV) of the camera was that of someone sitting in the limousine, or rather standing just beside it and to the right side. The camera is pointed at the inside surface of the windshield from behind – that is the POV. One man in a suit and tie can be seen standing on the front side, or forward of, the windshield, and two DPD motorcycle patrolmen (are they Ellis and Freeman?) can be seen leaning in and examining the windshield. What looks to me like a through-and-through bullet hole is visible in all 84 video frames, left of center on the windshield (adopting the POV of the camera) and approximately halfway down from the top, although these are only rough approximations.Would you mind checking out the clip and letting us know what you see?
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Does anybody have a copy of the DVD? Would it be possible to post a hi-quality screen shot of the supposed bullet hole?
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An excellent article that everyone should take the time to read. Thank you for posting Allan.
It astounds me we can get 80 pages discussing whether or not Oswald was in the Altgens photo or not, yet this thread recieves so few replies.
Does anyone care to take issue with the conclusions drawn by the article? For me, the article is quite convincing.
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I see what you mean now David. You're right. I went back and read all of Zapruder's statements I have available, and I can't find any reference to him saying he stopped filming at any point.
While reading his testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw, I found this bit interesting:
Q: After going to the Eastman people did you go anywhere else with your film?
A: Yes. They advised me not to cut the film. This was 8 millimeter of the old type that was actually a 16 millimeter film, it was cut after it was developed, and they advised me to go to another -- I think it was Jamieson film, or something like that, to have them developed there into a 16, and they were to somehow process it and split 8 millimeter, and that's what I did.
I really don't know much about film. What does Zapruder mean by cutting the film in this statement? And if he was told not to cut it, and didn't, who did? Is this just something that had to be done after developing a film?
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I'm new to the film stuff, so forgive my ignorance David, but isn't Z-341 the frame missing the sprocket image? And what's with the red blurring on the side of the car in 341?
340 and 342 seem to be much more clear images, but 341 has pixelation problems all over the place.
Also, when and where did Zapruder claim he never stopped filming?
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Has the fact that Oswald listed a "Charles Harrison" as a reference when applying for a job at the S.K. Manson Marble and Granite Company in New Orleans ever been looked into?
Is this a different Charles Harrison? Or is it possible these two knew each other?
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Has the fact that Oswald listed a "Charles Harrison" as a reference when applying for a job at the S.K. Manson Marble and Granite Company in New Orleans ever been looked into?
Is this a different Charles Harrison? Or is it possible these two knew each other?
23H707
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Glad it's not just me, haha. Thanks John!
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I listened to an interview of Adams by Alex Jones a little while back. Adams said he interviewed Joseph Milteer 5 days after the assassination, but his SAIC gave him a list of 5 questions to ask, and told him to ask nothing more. He also says he can pick Milteer out in a photo in Dallas as the President's motorcade drives by, but what photo this is escapes me at the moment.
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Here's a link to a San Antonio Express News article by Bill Hendricks I stumbled on in the Moscow-Pullman Daily News from 11/18/93 where Norman repeats what he told Frontline.
From the article:
Norman recalled seeing Oswald shortly before the president’s motorcade reached Dealey Plaza. That was on the fifth floor of the depository. Norman noted, adding that he and another worker, James Jarman, were leaning out of a window with a view of Dealey Plaza. “He walked over to us and asked what we were doing,” Norman said of Oswald. “We said we were waiting for the president’s motorcade. He laughed and walked away.” A few minutes later, Norman said, he heard three shots fired from the sixth-floor window directly above the one he was using to view the parade.
Does anyone else find it odd that Norman's first statement to the authorities does not come until the 26th, when Jarman and Williams both gave statements by the 23rd?
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That certainly seems plausible David. Given that Frazier was apparently under extreme duress with the possibility of being charged with the murder of the President looming, it seems likely he would have said whatever was needed to get himself out of that situation.
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I apologize if this has been posted before. A quick search did not reveal it.
In the video, Frazier says he was arrested by two detectives at his home, who then told Fritz that he was being honest and didn't know anything, but that this was not accepted. Frazier then reveals the police tried to force him to sign a confession admitting he assisted in the assassination.
Joe Molina's connections to gun-runners
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Martin%20Shirley/Item%2016.pdf
Interesting letter from Shirley Martin to Harold Weisberg, 7/8/67 (Weisberg Archives)
(Quoting Shirley)
Joe Molina claims to be the man in suit standing next to Lovelady-Oswald figure in Altgens photo. My inclination is that Molina was lying about this. He was a frightened man when I spoke to him; I have always felt he had someone in the house the night I interviewed him, and that he had notified someone ahead of time that I was coming. He was in the process of buying a new home when I last talked to him. However, this could have been only an inference. I have no way to be positive. At any rate, he was leaving Brown Street. I do not know where he is now.