Glenn Nall

Let's have this conversation in private. Use the PM on my forum or email me. Thanks. I will delete the fake account as it is a violation of forum policy.

lovely.

Thank you for the clip, Douglas.

To the extent the panel members focus on Hoover, they talk about the cover-up; which I believe is correct. Hoover may have feared retirement at JFK's hands, but he surely had some dirt on JFK (and RFK) that would have given JFK pause. Hoover was in important ways the most powerful man in America.

To the extent the panel members focus on LBJ, they examine the reasons JFK's death on November 22 helped LBJ avoid criminal charges; which I also believe is correct. The panel members are also correct that LBJ held great sway in Dallas. Johnson, however much he was hip-deep in the cover-up, however much he breathed a sigh of relief at the assassination, however much he was a corrupt and mentally ill S.O.B., could not have had JFK killed without lots of help. Some of the help would have talked, as Billy Sol Estes did in the 1980s. But Billy Sol Estes focused on Henry Marshall, not JFK. Which tells me LBJ didn't order the hit. He may have had foreknowledge of the hit, and I half-believe (but only half-believe) he did.

As I look at the assassination today, I see it as a professional killing, very carefully arranged so as to ensure [a] JFK was in fact killed, Jackie was not injured, [c] collateral damage to humans could be ignored, [d] a patsy acceptable to the PTB was presented, and [e] a thorough investigation of JFK's murder would involve picking painfully off many scabs.

Many here dislike what I'm about to say. Which is, JFK made himself an easy target. All right, dismiss Mimi Alford. Discard Marilyn Monroe. And the German beauty. Dismiss them all. JFK had a zipper problem. It was the New Frontier.

The idea JFK was killed because he did X is not correct. He was killed because he opposed Y.

At long last - if this Y is not Vietnam, what is it?

really?

where would you like to start? The US Steel Embargo? The Mil/Ind/Cong Complex that saw K as soft on Communism, their Golden Goose? (right, that's where Viet Nam fits in - but there's a bigger picture when you're willing to look at it - VERY angry people wanted CASTRO dead and the US blamed for it == $). How bout the 2 singularly most powerful men in the USA, one looking at ABSOLUTE prison time, the other at ABSOLUTE humiliation...?

hell, K had more enemies that Donald Trump. Viet Nam's too easy.

David Andrews,

JFK opposed many things: the CIA, the BOP invasion, Israel's development of a nuclear weapon, the mafia (through RFK), the U.S. right-wing, etc.

In my opinion, he would not have led the U.S. into war in Viet Nam the way LBJ did; but he would not have abandoned South Viet Nam to Ho Chi Minh's communists either. Viet Nam was a problem for JFK. But he had had success, so he thought, in dealing with North Viet Nam in Laos. The 1960s, both in the U.S. and in Viet Nam, would have played out somewhat differently under JFK. Somewhat, because he was not LBJ.

Viet Nam is not the issue, David, IMO. Viet Nam was one ingredient in the mix at the time. It's a distraction in terms of the JFK assassination, IMO.

just curious. what says he was opposed to the Bay of Pigs invasion? I'm not sure he was. My very infantile understanding is that he faltered at the last minute once he saw that the organization of this catastrophe was not going to be corrected (not that this excuses his actions - hard to excuse a person's actions when no one - and I mean NO ONE - knows exactly what they were that night when those Oh-So-Honorable Company men presented what they presented - as the boats were landing.)

Let's call it as it is. There're official 'truths,' and then there's the truth. Not arguing, just offering some perspective.

And STRAIGHT UP curiosity - was he really against Israel gaining Nukes? why...? [never heard that before]

Peter Jennings used to piss me off. Until i realized how insignificant he is in the face of real facts

Being dead tends to make you insignificant.

oh, has he died?

hadn't noticed...

thanks, Mr Caddy.

bingo.

Tommy,

Here is the cutter and its sister ship.

Coming too are some photos of 169 NW 28 St. , Miami, Fla in 1962 before the neighborhood was demolished. The persons shown in the photos range from INTERPEN and Bay of Pigs veterans to just patriotic neighbors and relatives of mine who are totally innocent of any wrong doing. What is more, one of the men seated at the table essentially saved my life by helping to get me and mine out of Cuba before I wound up in Fidel's youth indoctrination camps. He was a friend of the family for many years. I believe he has passed away since. I am grateful to him. He looks like Elliot Ness of the Untouchables TV series.

I was shocked to find his name on a web site relating to the JFK assassination, a decade ago.

Cubans talked of JFK with shifting admiration and hatred.

HC was all about knocking off Fidel, as were all the other hundreds of CIA funded groups.

But serious talk of JFK assassination was not part of it in this group (that I remember).

In the photo of the livingroom audience, you may enjoy looking for the "Waldo"s from INTERPEN.

Use my montage of INTERPEN members found in this site and meeting audience members.

The montage of Loran Hall shows that he is a dead ringer for the character of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman of Full Metal Jacket and TV fame. There are two YouTube's of Hall delivering a speech to a meeting of the John Birch Society that shows he also sounds just like the Sgt. The actor and Hall are from the same area of Kansas. If they did a film of Hall's doings, this actor would be the best casting choice ever.

I will post more images to your reply, because I ran out of room.

-HH

Hiram,

Good stuff. Much appreciated.

I know it's probably just a coincidence, but the guy wearing sunglasses looks a little like this mystery man with James Files:

credit: jfkmurdersolved.com

--Tommy

Files' somewhat recent story about this fellow is pretty damn interesting. believable in the 'wish it were true' sense. as are all his stories.

at the risk of providing Tommy with yet more disdain for my obviously abject mental deficiencies, i'll admit that I'm inclined to place some stock in James Files' stories and intel.

some. not a lot. just some.

oh. here's something interesting [RE Permindex, and, oh hell, Brown, Root, Lehmen, Bobby Baker - who ISN'T named...? - If i worked on A7 Corsairs built by Chance-Vought which was started by D.H. Byrd, does that mean that I'm connected?]

"In 1998 Richard Cheney got the idea that Halliburton should purchase Dresser Industries, for $8.1 billion (creating the world's largest oil-drilling services company) while on a quail hunt with Dresser chair Bill Bradford. Dresser and Halliburton merged. Dresser Industries was owned and operated by Brown Brothers Harriman. Prescott Bush (George H.W.'s father) was a partner of Brown Brothers and on the board of Dresser for decades until he became a U.S. Senator."

and it gets more fun:

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/coverups/bronfmanbush.html

you mean DH Byrd

Snap. Thank you sir.

quite all right. i'm just glad i got to you before someone else did and reduce you to a smoldering puddle of retardation worthy of little more attention than an E-2 for your obvious supreme ignorance (it's a trend here).

Egads.

Sir.

(US Navy, USS Forrestal, when it floated. long time ago)

I think Gerry did not like to be photographed.

I think Davy did not like to be photographed.

I'm pretty sure jesus was not there either.

I will try to post an image ... URL ???

I'll have to learn how to post images later.

I like your quotes -- mosaic.

right. know much about Ms Bancroft? I'm convinced the real dirt lies on that side of the fence. She made an effort at gleaning some attention, but it has so far been ignored.

which is weird, considering the pedigree of this rather large circle of 'people.'

Mr Simkin once alluded to an interest in Brown and Root (a clue if i've ever seen one). But everyone wants to talk about triggermen (i'm the first to admit i'd kill to learn who killed John Kennedy); slow boat to China, that...

and incidentally, Greg Burnham's forum has rejected my password, sent me a new one, and rejected it, too. so:

$we = null;

if ((user == "you") OR (user == "Doug") OR (user == "me") {$we = "SOL";}

sMatter, Thomas, spine missing...?

i'm pretty sure i've not slandered you, or anyone, so i'll leave it to you to cast low class insults. i happen to speak my mind, with zest for the objective and no real interest in insulting people. until they insult me. which seems pretty common in some forums.

wonder why that is...

how the hell did you know i know code?

if (user == "Ramon Herrera" or user == "Charles Drago") then AttachmentQuota = 0; else AttachmentQuota = infinite;

that's funny. and NOW you're speaking my lingo.

but if you're suggesting bold things, you'll have to clarify, or PM me. as far as software goes, i'm pretty sure it adheres to "principalities before personalities."

in other words, it's likely user error. X2.

I think Gerry did not like to be photographed.

I think Davy did not like to be photographed.

I'm pretty sure jesus was not there either.

I will try to post an image ... URL ???

I'll have to learn how to post images later.

I like your quotes -- mosaic.

i'm quite sure they didn't at the time.

and i meant 'jesus' in an altogether positive manner. it's like, 'wow', but with emphasis.

posting an image is a matter of putting it somewhere on a file server and sticking that url into the - oh hell, you'll figure it out.

Thomas, what's 'Null and Void'? just curious...

Mr. Simkin,

New member here

If you google "Argimino Fonseca", you will find a memo, from CIA to FBI, describing a new anti-castro group in Miami.

This group, Hermandad Cubana, was born in my living room when I was eight years old in the NW section of Miami. The memo mentions an attached "thermofax" copy of a fund-raising bond like those being sold. I have never found the attachment (It would be so nostalgic!) but I do have an original that I could post as a jpeg, if only I could find the icon for attachments here I was tasked with pressing an embossed dry seal on thousands of these. My arm nearly fell off ! I sold only one; to a neighbor "gusana" who took pity on me.

My afternoon of TV watching was suddenly interrupted, one day, by my uncle and a group of men I had never seen.

They recruited me hurriedly to help them move all the furniture into the bedrooms and kitchen. I feared we had been evicted!

We set up folding chairs, a card table at the front, a flag pole with gold fringed Stars and Stripes, another, shorter pole with the Cuban flag, numerous booklets (Don't touch them kid!) , several chairs for dignitaries, precious box fans on wheels, Cuban coffee cups, water tumblers, spinning ash tray, etc.

What followed, immediately, reminds me of the Unexpected Party at the beginning of The Hobbit.

A giant man, name of "Gerry from the CIA" and a nearly mum partner "Davy" came in, wearing fatigues, boots, and Gerry sported a 1911 Colt on his thigh. These were the guests of honor along with a number of "distinguished and valiant veterans of Playa Girón". Among these were Loran Hall, William Seymour, Dennis Harber, Manolo Aguilar, and others I have not yet identified on-line. One of these had sat a few yards from my family and me, at the Orange Bowl stadium, on 29 December 1962, as JFK and Jackie welcomed them back from their Cuban prisons. What he was doing in my living room almost a year prior to said release and ceremony remains a mystery for me to solve: any suggestions would be appreciated; no Twilight Zone solutions accepted.

I have very good photographs of one of these meetings, albeit sans Gerry and Davy. I don't know if it would be wrong to post it. Almost every one involved is now dead or in their 90's. I am very curious as to the identities of several faces there. What wisdom can you offer?

Gerry gave a long speech, in basso profundo Cubish, with a "gringo" accent but also with perfect grammar. He stressed that, "Mr. Kennedy gives with one hand and Mr. Kennedy takes away with the other hand. But we don't need Mr. Kennedy. We can do this ourselves. All we need is PLATA (silver) and valour." He used the word "plata" many times. I am remembering more of his speech in bits and pieces only after more than half a century. Gerry - "that Americano is a horse"- of the CIA mesmerized all the women there, including my mom and aunts, with his looks and voice. He won us all over, later, in the kitchen, when he declined American coffee from the huge urn and said, "I don't drink that stuff. I want real coffee. I want Cuban coffee." This flowed from the small cafeterita by the kitchen sink. My brother joked "How is the weather up there?" and ran off when Gerry reache out for him. I was left behind and Gerry had me hold my folded arms stiffly at my sides. He then cupped my elbows with his huge hands and lifted me up like a rocket to face level. He smiled and asked, "So, how is the weather up here?"

As I could listen to English better than I could summon up the words at that time, I only said, in broken English, "My father six foot."

He said, "You are going to be taller ... mas alto." and set me down with a pat to my head.

He then engaged in very quiet and fragmented exchanges with Davy : " we can get it later ... might as well now ... etc."

In my opinion, and that expressed by my aunt at the time, these bond sales were a cover for the real source of funds.

I say this because three of the men came back in rapid succession asking for three booklets, then a box, then all the boxes (twelve and each about three cubic feet in volume). These requests were separated by not more than twenty minutes. It would have been impossible to even hand out bonds that quickly; much less transact the sales. Nevertheless, a brown grocery bag with long, canvas, zippered pouches like those used by banks and merchants, filled with thick rolls of $100 bills appeared in my uncle's hands after the meeting. He showed me one of the rolls and his .38 special, snub-nose "la fookah" in the bag: not a profane word; just Cubish slang for "gun".

I cried out, "Tio!, are we rich now ?!!!" and he responded, "Boy, if I touch this, they will shave my head off!" In Cubish this is , "Me la sepíllan!".

I do not know whence the money came. But I assure you it was not from sales of bonds to our minimum-wage, blue-collar neighbors.

Another twist to this is that most of the people sitting in the audience were not neighbors. They were INTERPEN members and BOP veterans.

Gerry, Davy et al later came back, in my uncle's Café Pilon delivery van and unloaded a small arsenal of scoped rifles, C4 (two kinds), initiators, and other such things to hide in the crawl space under our house, in our garage, and in a piano-sized mountain, in our Florida room, covered by a thin layer of coffee bags, chocolate bars, banana chips, etc. I discovered the C4 when I dared to steal some chocolate. But I did not take it off the top where my uncle would notice it gone and polish my rear end with the razor strop. I dug into the center of the pile only to find long gray bars of PlayDough ?? and some plastic-wrapped lumps of stuff that stank like a car engine. I know what that was now. I did not taste any of it. There was also a thirty-five gallon steel drum of something that had to be turned topsy-turvy once every three days. Gerry and Davy showed us how to turn the drum over. For once, Davy spoke! And it was worth the wait. He told us, "If you forget to do this every three days, this whole neighborhood will reach the Moon before the astronauts." To this day, I do not know what was in the drum, even though I have asked friends who were in special forces and trained in demolition. I wish I had discovered Gerry's blog and asked kim.

During these block meetings, a skeletal man, in a red MG Midget convertible, would park in front of our house. He would sit stiffly, staring at the windshield of his car. Every ten minutes or so, he would jot down some notes on his little black note pad then pull up a large, wind-up camera with two reels at the back and a long tele-photo lense. He would film our packed Florida room and living room, then set the camera down and resume his wax statue stare at the windshield. My brother and I went out to do a Buckingham Palace Guard number with him. We were told to not bother him. Several of the INTERPEN men and veterans became alarmed. Then Gerry glanced at the man and announced, "Don't worry. He's harmless. He's just FBI doing his job." This man and a partner later visited another uncle of mine, recently arrived from Cuba, at his place of work and interrogated him, unsuccessfully, about the goings on at the house.

One day, I returned from school to a strangely roomier and cleaner Florida room: the candy moutain was gone! More than half a century later I have learned that Alpha 66 had retrieved the arsenal while I was at school.

We had an 83-foot Coast Guard cutter with a wooden hull. I have photos of it as well.

It had been used in shelling operations to kill Fidel. I have to think that innocents must have been hurt instead. But I did not know any of this until six years ago. There is only one other like it remaining, as a floating museum piece, in its original white and shiny state.

That old one was the vessel Fonseca et al would go to Cuba with. They were caught and executed quickly, about one week before Dallas, according to executedtoday.com. But I think that the ill-fated raid took place in mid October 1962, during the worst of the Missile Crisis. I wonder if it was related to the Wiliam Harvey raids that got him canned by RFK.

My uncle, cousin, and I had been allowed to go below deck very briefly. There was a huge torpedo there and no tube nor catapult to launch it. The cutter, flying American colors, was to be rammed against any Soviet military vessel available to provoke the war everyone else feared. Alternatively, it was to fly a Soviet flag and ram an American ship in Guantanamo Bay.

Fonseca was warned repeatedly to not go in this Fidel-killing / ship-ramming raid. He was told there were Castro spies everywhere and he would be found out. And they were. They had barely disembarked when they were met with an unwelcome party. After several days of silence, my aunt got a phone call to turn on our Zenith Trans-oceanic and tune in Radio Rebelde from Cuba. There, a woman was reading off a list of the raiders "esvirros" who had been executed that week. The name Fonseca was read. My aunt covered her mouth and ran out of the room crying. I was surprised at her pity, since she was very upset with her husband for exposing us to possible jail time and removal of us kids.

Well this should be enough for a first post, yes?

I am still piecing together all of these events that I experienced from two feet below adult eye level. And yet, this was a great vantage point for adults to reveal things they thought I would not remember.

If anyone can fill in any of this with your higher knowledge, it would mean the world to me.

Sometimes I wish I could file a FOIA request for those FBI movies of my family and our "guests" while they were all young and full of life.

Bye!

HH

jesus.

"albeit sans Gerry and Davy...?"

jesus.

Thank you for that information. I suppose the CIA could have funnelled in money via other organizations such as Alpha 66.

According to Dick Russell’s book, The Man Who Knew Too Much, Rolando Masferrer left Cuba with $10 million. I suppose some of this could have been used to fund Interpen. Russell says that Santo Trafficante also funded some of Masferrer’s projects.

I assume that members of Interpen had no direct contact with CIA officials such as David Attlee Phillips, David Morales and William Harvey? Have any of them mentioned any CIA men at all? What about businessmen like Clint Murchison and Haroldson L. Hunt?

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I sincerely doubt there's any truth to 10 million dollars leaving Cuba at a time when people fled in fear, shirts on backs and little else. Most felt that the situation with Castro was temporary, things would stabilize and many could return home. Not sure how this story came about but I've heard it's false, by those who knew Masferrer well.

Interpen was one group but were many others involved in anti-Castro activities ('58 and onward) and the FBI and CIA played "cat and mouse." Some as in case with Diosdado raid in Homestead/Keys had prior info, made a show and eventually arms were returned and "biz as usual." The effort to interdict activities (sanctioned or not) were laughable to those participants I've interviewed over the years.

And John makes a point about all the many vain efforts to remove Castro, indicate that someone (CIA? )wanted him there. The CIA and State Department (Embassy/Military Attaches in Cuba) were sympathetic to Castro at first. He was funded and helped and studied. It is the least known fact about Castro's triumph. There's something to this hunch.

http://216.97.42.106/doc_351-375/doc0370.html

This link takes you to Gordon Winslows Cuban Exile site. Interesting on subject of misc groups CIA interfaced with.

>>> And John makes a point about all the many vain efforts to remove Castro, indicate that someone (CIA? )wanted him there.

it should go without saying that any real 'inability' to kill Fidel Castro in the early 60's is flat out ridiculous.

I am a refugee from JFK Facts.

When I discovered this site (I knew about it, but did not pay much attention) I was thrilled. Finally! A place where I can make my graphical explanations and arguments!!

Much to my dismay I noticed, horrified, that every time I add an attachment, some sort of disk quota is spent, considerably.

I have the exact same problem in Greg Burnham's site:

http://forum.assassinationofjfk.net/

Right now, I can only attach files of 44.27KB or less.

TIA,

-Ramon

Hi Ramon,

As I stated on my forum, there is no bandwidth limitation there. I have only received reports from two members indicating they are unable to upload images directly into their post. I have never had any issue with it and I have uploaded many, many images (literally hundreds). One of our founding members, Phil Dragoo, has uploaded dozens of images without any problems, as well. The only other person experiencing this problem is also a founding member. I mention that to remove any question as to whether or not having the "founding member status" effects the uploading capability. It does not.

Even here at the EF I have uploaded a lot of images over the years (in my 2,000+ posts) and have had no issues with it. It says I can still upload up to 86.79MB.

I am going to test uploading an image right now to make sure--after which time I will delete the image to preserve bandwidth. I will report on its success or failure after I remove the image to preserve space.

Test image is about 68kb:

JFK and Buttons.jpg

such a great pic. no need to remove it...

Hi Greg:

When you created yours, did you use this one as a reference?

TIA,

-Ramon

No I did not.

I guess my correct question should have been this: Do you know whether your forum and the Education Forum use the same forum software? I believe the answer is "affirmative". Just take a look at both. They are almost identical:

http://patriot.net/~ramon/jfk/EducationForum.png

http://patriot.net/~ramon/jfk/GregsForum.png

It seems that some "XmasZen.com" did your web work? Unfortunately, that company does not seem to be available anymore.

I guess the solution is (1) Contact the Education Forum's software provider (2) Ask them about the procedure to manage attachment quotas and (3) Hope that the solution for your site is equivalent.

-Ramon

that's a good try, but it's not the software that controls the size of uploads. it's the host/server. each host sets these limits in a number of places, some hosts allow the owner to control these settings, some do not. sometimes the upload size can be overridden with a file called php.ini (assuming the website is running on PHP, which it almost certainly is) or other ways. when the software has these limits, it always provides a way for the user to change the settings. doesn't do the software maker any good to limit its customers with such a basic need.

and "web work" is an awfully generous term. these forum softwares (IPB, phpBB, vBulletin) are simple to purchase, and the ability to use a mouse can have you up and running a forum easily enough.

the trick is getting the traffic. having a website doesn't mean riches beyond your wildest imagination. you have to attract people to it (the subject helps - my VERY fledgling and completely infant JFK website already gets more traffic than my other two websites - and I'm a professional developer),

google's algorithms, and those of the lesser search engines, want to see quality and relevant content. the quality content that is provided by EF and Greg's website tickles google to pieces. (if you thought math was just for failing in high school, think again).

good thing google can't see bickering. huh?

it is affirmative. the source code shows many references to IPB, which is Invision Power Board.

you mean DH Byrd. He owned the TSBD [it was not even called that until the media used it to death after 112263] at the time. but the rumor is pretty reliable that that is in fact what he did.

and yes, he was friends with HLHunt, and Earl Cabell, and Clint Murchison, and General Lansdale, and... ... so the dark secrets, in my thoughts, lie in these oh so curious interpersonal relationships (thanks Mary Bancroft) and not so much in solving what bullets came from where.

no. i would not. compartmentalization isn't hard when you're dealing with such distinct ... um ... characters....

agreed 100%. we all love to discuss this stuff, the minutiae is fascinating, and fun, but it's never going to prove a thing.

the thing is, one thing leads to another, and i believe that most reasonable people who obsess, rightfully, on these tidbits know that the fact remains that any one little thing that breaks might be THE tidbit that breaks the ice.

we all have our place in this mystery. [except for DVP]. the media have their place, too, and we work hard in spite of them. it's nice that their position is so clearly defined in their idiocy. but they still get in the way, and morons still fall for it.

Peter Jennings used to piss me off. Until i realized how insignificant he is in the face of real facts. Now I don't even remember what he looks like, and the fact that he's not even an American.

right?

Thanks Cliff. A reminder to remember our perspective, and our objective. >>> Truth.

Given the fact that all the evidence is fuzzy and inexact (I am being polite here), it is entirely possible that a bullet entered JFK's back and exited near his throat.

A doctor friend told me about this case. A guy was involved in a bar brawl (back home in Venezuela) and was shot point blank near the middle of the forehead, between the eyes. When my friend received the patient in the E.R. he was in obvious shock, scared, etc but otherwise in perfect shape. There was very little blood. No exit orifice anywhere.

The resting place of projectile was finally located in the middle of his back, it had traveled between the cranial bones and the skin.

It is a well known fact that water, electricity and bullets are lazy: they follow the path of least resistance.

I'm inclined to think that it's possible that it's an exit wound, as well. Or that it's an entrance wound. I also think that there's enough other evidence for more than three gunshots to the extent that the cause of this throat wound is pretty much irrelevant.

I'm also reminded that some people have no earthly clue how to respond to a post and remain relevant to the context.

right - that's kinda what i'm getting at - this is a long-running controversy, and as much as i've read about it and everyone's inability to decide whether there was a clip in the rifle when it was toted outside, one would think that these pics would have surfaced and been made prominent in this little debate a long time ago.

i'm not disputing them at all. just kind of observing the VERY odd dynamics of the whole thing.

Why don't we all ignore Duncan, like we did with DVP? That seemed to shut him up for a while.

did it really shut him up for a while? i wouldn't know, i haven't 'heard' a word he's said since then.

and now i get to block another ***. cool.

Posted for Gary Murr:

These images are from the 4th roll of film William Allen took on November 22nd, exposures number 17 and 18. The clip "theoretically" found in the rifle from the TSBD can plainly be seen projecting from the bottom of the housing. These images are quite rare and probably have not been seen by too many people. If nothing else they definitely confirm the presence of "a" clip in the weapon as Day walked it across the street to the DPD.

Image 1:-

Image 2:-

Image 3:-

What I'm wondering is how the f* photos like these are so overlooked for 50 years?

Here's another one for you to ponder.

When the FBI received C2766, they gave it over to their firearms expert, SA Robert A. Frazier who, along with a couple of colleagues, took the rifle to a range and did some shooting tests with it. Some of the results they obtained were quite remarkable. In fact, the word "unbelievable" comes to mind, and I would defy anyone to reproduce the results they obtained. For instance, they found C2766 to be shooting a few inches high at 15 yards, and also a few inches high at 100 yards. Any of you with any firearms experience will know that a rifle shooting a few inches high at 15 yards will be shooting 3-4 feet high at 100 yards. But, they fooled the Warren Commission, and everyone else, it seems. And that's all that really matters, right?

Anyways, the next group to get the rifle was the Army and, according to them, shims had to be added to the scope mount to make the rifle shoot accurately.

Here is a close up photo of the scope and mount on C2766. Take a good look at it, and tell me where you would add shims to correct an elevation problem.

"In fact, the word "unbelievable" comes to mind"

RP, you speak the truth.