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Robert Hughes And The Cut Apart Policeman
Brad Milch replied to John Butler's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
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Robert Hughes And The Cut Apart Policeman
Brad Milch replied to John Butler's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
I agree, Chris. To enlighten Kathy a bit more (in case she doesn't get around the Internet as much as some of us do), all JFK websites are routinely bombarded by trollers. Their individual or concentrated effort are the reason many of those that posted videos at YouTube & initially welcomed comments were forced to disable comments altogether. Trollers use the comments to hijack the topics & create chaos. A worse case scenario of this would be the comments Jeff Morley or his outside help published at his website that appeared to many readers to be the work of Mr. McAdams & his 'cheerleaders', both spending more time at Jeff's website than they did at alt.jfk. On a good day, most, if not all of Jeff's reader's comments were from the 'McAdams gang'. After sifting through the garbage, probably a lot of Jeff's readers forgot what the original topic was about. There was a lot of complaining & many readers told Jeff they were abandoning his ship as a result of the apparent trolling. EF readers see this garbage routinely when they travel around from one JFK Forum to another. I'm sure Debra Conway & her former staff could tell you horror stories about when their original Lancer Forum suffered the worst, most extreme form of trolling as a cyber attack victim. Why would someone attack a respected webmaster such as Robin Unger, a man who has contributed countless good things to the JFK assassination research community, is like asking how could someone aim a weapon at the head of a man sitting next to his wife as a passenger in a car during a parade & squeeze the trigger (JFK). Or do basically the same to another man walking home with his wife (John Lennon). Or steer a couple of passenger airliners full of innocent, terrified people of all genders & ages into two giant New York skyscrapers. Or nail a man of worship, faith & peace to a cross & leave Him on it to die in agony for the crime of disturbing the peace. Some people do things that defy reason & rationality. Sincerely, Brad Milch -
Robert Hughes And The Cut Apart Policeman
Brad Milch replied to John Butler's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
@Kathy: Setting up a phony agitator or 'disillusioned' researcher is an old trolling trick used in JFK forum after JFK forum. I suspect if that was the case here at EF, the purpose was to demonstrate that JFK CT visuals analysts are the bad guys & those that don't believe any of the JFK visuals were alteration victims are the 'good guys'. I believe it was Jim DiEugenio that warned the Forum in the past couple weeks that ROKC comedian wanna-be's had infiltrated EF. If Jim's warning is accurate & my suspicions are correct, the EF admin & readers are being played by sick minds. Flooding the 1st page topic board with frivolous topics is another trolling trick. It's purpose is to knock serious topics that are of interest to EF readers out of sight, back to page 2, 3 & beyond. The more elaborate ones will have animated gif's posted to 'back up' the questions raised in the topic title. For example: "Is the meridian guy in the coveralls hiding a weapon as JFK drives by?" or 'Is the woman in red stealing the purse from the woman in pink on the Elm Street sidewalk?, followed by a looped Zapruder film animation are examples of the Forum being punked by sickos. Len Osanic had a good list of how to spot when a JFK forum has been invaded by trollers posted at his Black Ops Radio blog site. It should still be posted there. It's free to read. If Robin never gets his apology due him, it will probably be because his 'agaitator' was never here at EF in the 1st place. Respectfully & Sincerely, Brad Milch -
Quote: I'm with Jim on this one. Dealey Plaza is public place. Those who want to be alone can find a private spot. Freedom of assembly and speech. That's what it's all about. (Have a problem with porn? Install software to block it. For some reason I never see it, even without the software. There already must be something in place.) - Sandy Lawson Throughout history, lots of people had an attitude that they could do as they please, wherever & whenever. They had the right to (in their minds). Let's see...some names that quickly come to mind: Hitler, Stalin. Sodom & Gomorrah. Many of the people that got themselves arrested yesterday & last night around the world probably thought they had the right to do whatever they got busted for. Brad Milch PS: When I address Jim DiEugenio, it's as a student addressing a college level educator. Nothing personal, just questions a skilled educator should be able to easily handle when dealing with a classroom full of adults that don't all think the same thoughts on any given issue. As for the excessive price Robert Groden wanted for his (then current) book, in all fairness, I honestly don't remember if he offered to autograph it or not for 100 bucks. I do remember thinking of how many groceries I'd have to skip over while existing on a small retirement pension in order to pay the man. I decided in my mind that I wouldn't pay 100 US dollars for any book (even if Moses autographed it). I realize Robert Groden is a hero to some people & a selfish scoundrel to others. The impression he gave me will stay with me forever, regardless of how he appears to others.
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Robert Hughes And The Cut Apart Policeman
Brad Milch replied to John Butler's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
@Bill Miller I consider your analysis of the Blevins Dillard photo as adequate to the debate. I do hope Mr. Blevins reads what you wrote & responds here at EF or in his future YouTube visual analysis videos. I'll have to go through all his videos on his channel to determine what else he has analyzed in the JFK ambush films before I draw my own opinion as to how good or bad his take on the JFK visuals is. Since you tell us that you bought the same negative of the Dillard photo that Mr. Blevins used in his analysis video with the difference being your photo shows nothing in the sniper's nest window vs. Mr. Blevins shows what appears to be LHO's half body in the photo, questions should arise as to what the heck is going on here? Who got punked, Blevins or Miller (lol). Or is Blevins guilty of punking us all? Perhaps you might post a copy of your Dillard photo so that EF readers can compare it to the images Mr. Blevins has presented in his YouTube analysis video? For me, like the rest of the controversy that continuously swirls around the JFK assassination, it's a case of black & white, it is or it isn't. The image is LHO, or it isn't. I honestly can't remember when I first saw the Dillard photo. Whether it was on TV, newspapers or books, I don't recall attention being drawn to a face in the window until just recently. If the image has been manipulated somewhere in the timeline of the Dillard photo, that should lead to an investigation of the matter that might settle the issue one way or another. If the Dillard image was the victim of manipulation, EF readers should note that the manipulated image (if it was) was not passed off to the public as showing LHO in the sniper's nest window by any of the early investigators (including the DPD, Dallas County Sheriff's Dept., FBI & WC). The MSM didn't draw attention to the 'LHO face' in the Dillard image either. So why is the LHO face there in Mr. Bleviins' version of the Dillard photo (since the photo wasn't used to either incriminate LHO or used as proof he wasn't a shooter)? If the image is genuine, I see what appears to be LHO leaning forward behind 2 stacks of boxes, one stack closer to the window than the stack behind it with a camera up to his face. In private correspondence, some friends of mine see a microphone (as from a walkie talkie) up to 'LHO's' mouth, as if he's talking to someone on a radio. None of us sees things exactly the same. That's one of the reasons I would never attempt to be a visuals analyst. I know from my own experiences in life that some people wouldn't see the ocean (if pointed out to them) if they fell into it face first (lol). Sincerely, Brad Milch -
Quote: I think we would have won and been able to determine who was the original motivator behind depriving the American people of their first amendment free assembly and free speech rights. And make no mistake, this was a three sided operation between the Sixth Floor, Belo Corporation and the mayor's office. - Jim DiEugenio Every coin has an opposite side, Jim; The fight over free speech first amendment rights is what enabled the Internet to become swamped with pornography websites & unsolicited porn email ads parents kids see & read (and view images) on a daily basis. You happy with your kids seeing that garbage, Jim? How about the rights of people to pay respects to their murdered President without vendors setting up tables a few yards where the poor man was slaughtered depicting horrific color autopsy photos (the same photos Earl Warren was afraid vultures would obtain from the WC & hawk in public)? How would you feel if your brother or father was one of the victims of 911 & you went to the site of the attack to pay your respects & vendors had tables set up there selling photos of your relative's body? Imagine how Caroline would feel if she visited Dealey Plaza & stepped out of the Zapruder cupola (as I did) and was greeted by a 'vendor' hustling books & magazines containing her deceased father's head blown apart, displayed on a flea market table for all to see? What about Caroline & her children's rights? What's up with that, Jim? Before Groden impatiently shooed me away from his little merchandise table for interfering with his sales (I didn't buy anything he was selling; I told him all that stuff can be obtained for free at the library), I did look around & noticed some thing things missing: decency, integrity, respect for the deceased & their living relatives, & respect for Dealey Plaza visitors to visit the site in peace being among them. It will take the best of the best authors to convince me that stuffing money in the wallets of any Dealey Plaza 'vendors' (be they Robert Groden, or anyone else) exploiting the death of President Kennedy for personal profit is a cause worth fighting for. So far, no authors have convinced me..... Brad Milch
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@Michael: I'm consider myself a student of the case. I'm always open to learning truthful info. Spinmasters don't impress me much. Like me, most of them were not present when the crimes occurred. That's our common denominator. At times, I find it difficult to distinguish from those fighting for the truth vs. those fighting to sell books & DVD's on the case. To prevent myself from being a hustling victim, I usually wait for my local library to obtain some materials & check it out there. That has it's downfalls too: while recently reading Zapruder's granddaughter's book for free at the library, the uncontrollable urge to yell at her overcame me several times. The same thing happened while reading Clint Hill books on the assassination. As we all know, yelling at the library is not good. Not good at all (lol). My personal interest in the JFK case, I can trace back to my 5th grade teacher, Mrs. Rogers, when the assassination & aftermath happened in real time. Mrs. Rogers was probably close to retiring when I was one of her young students (I was 11). She was in her late 40's or early 50's. Mrs. Rodgers would settle an argument with her by spanking someone's palm with her ruler or sending them & their desk to an impromptu bivouac out in the hallway outside her classroom (I could swear I saw David Von Pein out there several times!). Although never having served in the US military or worked for the US Government as a civilian in any capacity, Mrs. Rodgers felt both were involved in the murder of JFK. She didn't buy the 'LHO did it alone' story one bit. I was always curious as to why she felt that way. I've learned along the way from then until now. I'm still learning. That's why I am attracted to the Education Forum. It's an online educational institutional experience for free. Here at EF one can find educators as diverse as Mrs. Rogers to Jim DiEugenio to Paul Trejo to David Von Pein. Some of the best, most expensive colleges in the world can't claim that! Brad
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My one & only personal experience with Robert Groden & his sidekick dates back a few years. It's not intended to influence anyone. It happened as I'm about to describe. It is what it is. I was visiting Dealey Plaza & Groden walked up to me outside the north pergola shelter (cupola) where Zapruder & Sitzman were stationed creating the Zapruder film. I asked him if he was Robert Groden & he said he was. I shook his hand & complimented him on his contributions to humanity in getting the Zapruder film viewable to the public on TV back in 1975. Then I made my first mistake: I asked him a question about the assassination. Groden motioned for me to follow him to his table that held stacks of his books, magazines & DVD's. He picked up a copy of 'The Search For Lee Harvey Oswald', held it in front of his body & told me 'the answer is in here'. How much for the book? 100 bucks he told me (I discovered later it was around 19 bucks in bookstores). I asked him another question. Groden held up something else & told me 'the answer is in here'. I'm starting to think this guy is hustling me. Then the sidekick comes over. He saw everything that happened during the ambush, he claims. He was THERE, he tells me. He saw this, he saw that. He heard this; he heard that. A shooter was here; a shooter was there. He knew all the Dealey Plaza witnesses, where they lived & what they ate for supper. He knew everything there was to know about the Dealey Plaza ambush. He held up a copy of Altgens 5 & pointed to where he said he stood during the JFK ambush as proof that what he was saying was genuine. I walked over to where Mr. Sidekick claimed he was standing in Altgens 5. I squatted down to an adolescent's height & looked at Elm Street, from the intersection to the triple overpass. The dip in the road was so deep just after the intersection that cars traveling down Elm Street seemed to disappear from sight from that point most of the way to the overpass from Mr. Sidekick's alleged position on Houston Street in Altgens 4.. It became apparent to me that with the streets lined with spectators & a motorcade passing though, plus the pandemonium following the attack on JFK & John Connally,this sidekick guy didn't see a darn thing half a century ago (if it really was him in the Altgens 5 photo). At this point, I'm thinking this sidekick guy was trying to hustle me too. A genuine Texas hustling team. Sheesh! I didn't see anything like this on Geraldo Rivera's 'Goodnight America' TV show all those years ago.(note: in all fairness, since Mr. Sidekick didn't try to sell me anything, what he showered me with would be called 'shuck & jive' in the part of the USA I was raised & educated in; universally referred to as BS) As I do with all people that impress me as hustlers, I left without saying a word, with my money still n my pocket. I haven't given much thought to either of those two (Groden or sidekick) since. I have sometimes wondered what it was about me that gave them both the impression that I had just arrived in America & Texas directly from a banana boat. Sincerely, Brad Milch
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Robert Hughes And The Cut Apart Policeman
Brad Milch replied to John Butler's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Quote - Whoever posted that phony video alleging to show Oswald in the window was not up to speed at all. IT was exposed here over two years ago as a fake - Jim DiEugenio I am surprised at you Jim. You usually demand a high quality of proof each step you take in this case. Where is the proof the video is phony? The analysis of the superior Dillard image was just posted a couple days ago at YouTube. There hasn't been enough time transpire to properly analyze the new material. Would Government involvement in determining the Dillard photo captured LHO taking photos in the sniper's nest moments after the shooting convince you? It's well established what you think about past government determinations & conclusions in the JFK cold case. David Von Pein & his siblings constantly remind us (smiles). I believe the image is genuine simply because Walter Cronkite didn't jump on the photo & beat his competitors at showing it on TV, unless he balked at showing an image of LHO with a camera in his hand instead of a rifle. As for me, I believe the image is genuine. It allows me to bring closure to the JFK case somewhat. I've still got a few questions about who put LHO on assignment to photograph persons or events during the ambush of JFK, what happened to his film & camera & a few other things still hanging in the air after half of century. With closure, the self-appointed thread housekeepers (also known as xxxx) won't have to work so hard at being obnoxious. And just think, I achieved closure without buying anyone's book of errors & fables. Brad Milch -
Robert Hughes And The Cut Apart Policeman
Brad Milch replied to John Butler's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
@John Apparently the trolls want a piece of both of us, John. We should start a xxxxx bait club (LOL). BM -
Robert Hughes And The Cut Apart Policeman
Brad Milch replied to John Butler's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
John: There is some new analysis of a super clear copy of the famous Tom Dillard photo of the TSBD posted at YouTube. If I post the link here, a large image of the video narrator's analysis video will appear that will be distracting to your thread. EF readers (and you) can quickly find the video at YouTube by typing into YouTube's search engine : Analyzing Dillard Image/ JFK Assassination. If the video poster has not corrected the loud volume problem at the video's intro section since I watched & downloaded the analysis video, be sure to lower your headphone volume until the narrator starts talking. Upon studying the image of what appears to be LHO in the portion of the sniper's nest window next to where a rifle barrel was alleged to have been fired from, notice what appears to be a small camera in front of LHO's face. If the image of LHO standing behind some boxes is genuine (I believe it is) & not a hoax, LHO was also filming someone or something during the assassination. His camera appears to be pointing south from the TSBD 6th floor window. Perhaps LHO was also filming what was apparently cut out of the films you mentioned. I posted this info in another thread and a person I believe to be trolling quickly moved to kill interest in it. Sincerely & Respectfully, Brad Milch PS: If the Dillard image of LHO in the sniper's nest window is genuine (I believe it is) & LHO was also filming during the assassination, it indicates to me that he went to visit Marina & his children on the Thursday before the JFK ambush to pick up his camera. His camera equipment may have been what was supposedly in the package Buell Westley Frazier claims LHO carried with him on the shared ride LHO participated in the morning of the JFK ambush. If I am not mistaken, a camera belonging to LHO was missing from the DPD or FBI inventory of his possessions post-assassination. -
@Alistair: The beauty of the gift of a democratic society, wherever it is on earth, is people have a choice between doing their own thinking, seeing with their own eyes, reaching their own conclusions or being micro-managed into believing what someone they don't even know thinks. Or even worse...wants them to think. For the free thinkers here at or reading EF as 'lurkers', I made my contribution. For the micro-managers, I have the 'ignore' function to rescue me. To them, I say 'Bye bye forever'.... Brad Milch PS: @Paul Trejo: Because I used the ignore function, I have to post a reply to your post here, for the time being, Paul. If you've never had cause to use it yourself, it's kinda like a shark cage. I can still sense the sharks swimming around me, but now I don't have to see their dorsal fins in my face each time I post something (LOL). You bring up great points for consideration, Paul, for those following your reseach in this thread as well as those checking out the new video analysis of the Tom Dillard photo I gave a link to above. I'm no photo analyst, but to me, the image of what appears to be LHO in the new video analysis I posted looks to be that of LHO holding a small camera to his face. The direction of the camera is in the area of the South pergola & the old Federal building behind it. Having read much research on LHO allegedly being an Intel operative, I immediately thought: what a slick way to get LHO to stand in the sniper's nest: his handlers give him an assignment to photograph someone or something during the assassination. This is the same thought many of those that participated in the 'LHO in the doorway' thread felt. It's understandable that those who worked hard on that thread would not want to see LHO's image elsewhere. EF readers will probably be more concerned which is correct: LHO in the sniper's nest, LHO in the doorway, or neither (or 'both' for the Harvey & Lee research followers). For the benefit of EF lurkers that can't comment, I also see what could be additional faces directly behind the 'LHO in the sniper's nest' Dillard image. I don't see anyone holding a gun to the man in the window's head either, suggesting to me that, if a genuine image, LHO wasn't forced to stand where Tom Dillard captured him in one of his TSBD photos. To my eyes, LHO is standing behind some boxes. The line of the boxes is visible just below the large rectangular black shadow that separates the upper from the lower section of the window. By following the line of the top box, I make out another row of boxes closer to the window. Around 'LHO's' face I see a reflection of a large crowd standing in front of the reflecting pool. The reflection in the window is very similar to the scenes in the Dorman film, from a slightly higher position. A skilled visuals analyst without a paid agenda can probably take it further. What I wrote is what I see in the clearer image. EF readers may want to look for those items when they examine the new visual analysis for themselves. I can't help what I see. EF readers can't help what they see either. The trick is understanding what we see. That's where the pros come into play. Like buying a used car, some salespersons are honest & others have hidden agendas. For the fakery part: why didn't Henry Wade, Jesse Curry, Will Fritz, J. Edgar Hoover on up to LBJ use the image (if it was faked)? Can you imagine the public response had Walter Cronkite shown the global public a photo on TV of what appeared to be LHO peering out the sniper's nest window moments after the shots? Seems more likely to me that the image was simply overlooked in the poor photo analysis of the day. This isn't to say the Dillard photo wasn't faked. One could honestly ask what JFK visual hasn't been accused of alteration? Others might wonder why some fight so vigorously for the honor & integrity of the Zapruder film & not the Dillard photo? What's up with that? Do researchers only fight for the authentication of visuals supporting their works when that work is threatened by allegations of visual fraud? But then again, what the heck does a Louisiana man know about this this old Texas super crime stuff, anyway (smiles)? Sincerely & Respectfully (to you, Paul & all good, loyal EF readers), Brad Milch
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Aliistair: The thread you referenced concerns a bad copy of the Dillard photo. The link I posted is for a version of the Dillard photo closer to the original photo (the video narrator explains this). One has to watch the video to obtain that info & see the comparison made between the clearer image & what was discussed in the past with an inferior image. The narrator just posted this video yesterday (with the clearer image analysis); talking about it in past threads on any JFK forum could not be possible where I live. I obviously don't live on 'I know everything there is to know about everything there is in life street' like some claim to house themselves (smile). David Von Pein & I don't agree in this area of the JFK discussion: I believe Mr. Oswald was caught on film in the sniper's nest. Had the photo been faked, surely early investigators & the WC would have used it & newspapers globally would have splashed it across their front pages. I believe new visuals analysis has brought out something that was overlooked in the past half century. In regards to Paul Trejo's research, if the new visual analysis is accepted globally as genuine, Paul will have to re-explain his LHO 'handing off his rifle to someone he trusted' research to include LHO standing in the sniper's nest window just moments after the shooting occurred. For others who refuse to accept that LHO was at least one shooter, regardless of what evidence is shown them, this new visuals analysis will surely be rejected. It's been said before that one cannot teach an old dog new tricks, no matter what method of schooling is employed. Regards, Brad Milch
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@Paul, Alistair & David Von Pein: I wonder if you fellows have seen this analysis of LHO & how it will affect your critical thinking both of you have expressed in this thread (and elsewhere on EF threads in the case of DVP) if that really is LHO in the sniper's nest window: Possible Hearing Damage Warning! Turn your headphones volume way down during the beginning of the video! It certainly looks like LHO peeking out of that window to my eyes.... Best wishes: Brad Milch PS: I'm curious about the relationship in time between this Tom Dillard photo & DPD motorcycle officer Marion Baker dashing towards the south entrance of the TSBD (as captured in the Darnell film). If the two visuals are in close in time proximity, it suggests to me that the man in the window that appears to be LHO saw officer Baker heading inside the building. That in itself may explain LHO's alleged speed in getting himself off the 6th floor of the TSBD, past the stairway women & into the lunchroom to be greeted by officer Baker's pistol pushed up against his gut. People have been known to move extremely fast when a cop is coming after them (smiles)...
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My two cents: From what I have read, seen & considered about the JFK ambush, I see 3 distinct possibilities: - The attack came from outside the 'shields' of JFK while a car passenger during his parade. - The attack came from inside the 'shields' of JFK while a car passenger during his parade (inside job). - A combination of the two above I suspect JFK might have been finished off inside the tunnel of the triple underpass by inside elements, outside elements (or both, if the Dealey Plaza ambush had failed). SS agents appearing to respond to the gunfire by positioning themselves as 'shields' could just as easily have finished JFK off. If JFK had made it alive to Parkland, I believe his non-coup security would have taken over the ball game. As a living Commander In Chief, that security would have included Federal & State militia that would have simply outnumbered the attackers. Where the motorcade is said to have stopped just west of the triple overpass would have also made a great spot for the killers to finish the job IMHO. The LHO 'happenstance' explanation of the crime simply is too 'fishy' for the majority of interested people to bite into. It's been that way since day 1 and after over 53 years since the crimes occurred, no effort to convince the public otherwise has been successful. Sincerely, Brad Milch