Terry Mauro

********************************************************** "Harry, Tosh, you supported Castro along with my father and multitude of young patriotic idealistic others who believed in the revolution but ended up on the other side." This is good to hear, Crissie, as I always supported Fidel and Che. Was your Dad an independent, or a bonafide agent for Central? I've never quite read the whole story, except that he was either MIA, or killed in the line of duty. That's a legacy-and-a-half for you to have to carry around, all these years. As I read this thread, I immediately thought of Marita Lorenz for the NYC CIA operative connection to Fidel. Then, there's all those pics of her running around in the Keys with Gerry and Sturgis, which could've meant a double "00" rank for her, as was rumored of the status of Fiorini aka Sturgis. From the photos I've seen, and the information I've read on Lisa Howard, I concluded that her relationship with Fidel was far more complex, and possibly more on the level of that of a back-channel business and/or mediator between the White House and Havana. Which is what got her killed, as I believe she was murdered, or "suicided." From a Spanish language biographical book on Che, I surmised that if Howard was having any kind of a tete-a-tete with anyone, it would more than likely have been with Che for whom, it would seem, she only had eyes according to the photos I've seen of them together. But, that's just my understanding of it.

Charles, when you say "watch your newspapers" I sincerely hope you mean that you're working on a positive development, and not contemplating a desperate act. While I agree with many of your views, I can not agree with your presumption that we can understand other men's souls, and judge their cognitive powers without error. There are many people who BELIEVE Oswald acted alone, with as much intensity and self-righteousness as we BELIEVE he did not. While history has shown that there is little chance we'll ever be able to convince them, it also has shown that if we take the argument to the public--much as Mark Lane once did--that we'll win over the next generation. I've found that one can reach newbies via Youtube and the IMDB forum for the film JFK. If we reach people before they get indoctrinated in the "Oswald did it" cult, there's a chance new members of the media will see things our way, and quit toeing the company line. If you want to make an impact you might want to take your efforts there. But--warning--no one anywhere is particularly swayed by "I'm right and if you disagree with me you're cognitively impaired" type arguments. It just doesn't play in Peoria. ************************************************* "There are many people who BELIEVE Oswald acted alone, with as much intensity and self-righteousness as we BELIEVE he did not. While history has shown that there is little chance we'll ever be able to convince them, it also has shown that if we take the argument to the public--much as Mark Lane once did--that we'll win over the next generation." We can try winning over the next generation only if they're not completely and thoroughly indoctrinated by their neocon, or just plain ignorant, low intelligence quotient, ostriches with their heads in the sand, sheeple for parents. Does that cover every point? Because, what you're essentially trying to accomplish is to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse when it comes to ignorant people who basically lack the equipment to think critically, and most likely are too afraid to buck this already dysfunctional system called The American Government. Good luck, because I've spent the past 40 years talking myself blue in the face only to end up looking into a pair of vacant eyes, or ones that look like a deer's caught in the headlights, staring back at me. If they can't even begin to comprehend, they need to go all the way back to school for the tools that I doubt they'll ever have a inkling to go looking for. Your heart may be in the right place, but their heads aren't. Keep on keeping on, FWIW.

****************************************************************** "GATES: Are you optimistic about the future? I mean given the fact that we have this large black underclass and a large black middle class, it looks like we have two nations and they're both black. CLEAVER: We have more nations than that because we have poor white people, we have poor Indians, we have poor -- we have got to eliminate the economic basis of the underclass by providing them with jobs not handouts from the federal government. That is the failure of our economic system, that you have economists who say that you've got to keep the people on the brink of starvation in order to motivate them to work and hustle around. The failure of the capitalistic economic system is that they did not provide for full employment. They were satisfied with a certain percentile and then they were willing to keep a lot of people perpetually in reserve and that was to keep wages down and all that kind of pressure. We have got to have a policy of full employment and by restoring the frontier and the union of the western hemisphere it is a full employment program for the whole hemisphere. There's a lot of work to be done but we have to reorient ourselves from a system of scarcity and a belief system in scarcity and there is no problem that we have on our agenda that we cannot solve." It was words and actions such as these expressed by Eldridge and Kathleen Cleaver that made them heroes of their time, to me. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

********************************************************* "Seriously, has anyone even noticed him before now?" I believe he was a fixture over at Debra's a few years back. In fact, I remember running into him over at Lancer's site around 2005 or 6, I believe.

Myra, are you reffering to the concert for John Sinclair the pro pot activist? If so that took place in Dec 1971, the hight of Johns political activism, not in 79-80. Your cherrypicking/nitpicking the facts LOL yeah pointing out there was no real motive is "cherrypicking/nitpicking the facts" Very doubtful given what he said in his September 80 interview ------------- The government got Lennon hooked on downers and smack? I don't suppose any evidence will be forthcoming That seems to have stopped 8 years earlier ---------------- Len claims there was no real motive. Can you imagine John Lennon being silent during the 1980s? It was a strange hard right turn. But Lennnon was appealing to a number of different audiences. He was working class, and he was anti-war. With him around it would have been much harder to resurrect the great Hitler like stabbed in the back myth that Reagan and the corporate media made about Vietnam. Lennon was on record about Vietnam. HE ALSO COULD GET ON NATIONAL MEDIA ANYTIME THAT HE WANTED AND DELIVER A REAL CRITIQUE OF US POLICY NOT THE SORT OF MEALLY MOUTH FAKE CRITIGUE THAT WAS TYPICAL OF DEMOCRATS IN BEGINNING AROUND 1976 TO THE PRESENT. Governments are concerned by this coast to coast prime time media capacity of a REAL opposition figure. See Hoover's famous "black messiah comment. LENNON HAD THIS PRIME TIME NATIONAL MEDIA ABILITY. Think Nicaragaan contras. Now think of living John Lennon. Could well have been the tipping point. More so than another politician. Its about message, its purity, and the degree of access to the national media. Not some vote in a smothered committee. Just ask the Clintons, those can be a bit deceptive. ********************************************************* "HE ALSO COULD GET ON NATIONAL MEDIA ANYTIME THAT HE WANTED AND DELIVER A REAL CRITIQUE OF US POLICY NOT THE SORT OF MEALY-MOUTH FAKE CRITIQUE THAT WAS TYPICAL OF DEMOCRATS IN BEGINNING AROUND 1976 TO THE PRESENT." And, let us all not forget why Operation Mockingbird was created in 1947 by the British and American OSS affiliation, in the first place. If I'm not mistaken, television was invented as a primary venue for the psychological manipulation and control of masses of humanity, albeit presented in the form of an entertainment diversion. To this day, it serves as the major vehicle for molding public opinion and promoting sales of consumer goods, as well as for controlling the political campaign machinations, of which the majority of the "public" STILL cannot seem to grasp the fact of how this VISUAL "aid" or application IS, and CONTINUES to be used against them. It has already been medically demonstrated via Brain Scan SPECT Analysis how susceptible and vulnerable the human brain may be when visually manipulated through the use of simple tasks or visual stimulation which, over time and exposure to said stimuli may, in some cases, permanently alter its chemical response to certain stimuli in the exact same way it would react to that of a drug-induced stimuli. It was stated above that John Lennon's "call-to-arms" for a demonstration against an unpopular cause, and the power he wielded over a generation could be reason enough to silence him. Especially, since he had the balls to voice his opinion and knew exactly how to use Mockingbird's own devices against them for his own gain, and to the perceived betterment of a country. And also, let us never forget his statement on national radio and T.V. about how The Beatles were bigger than Jesus Christ. He was right! And, "The Right" was all over him like flies on dog doo-doo for blaspheming another tried and true mind control tactic used by the fascists for centuries, since The Dark Ages. IMHO, this was enough reason for them to want to snuff him, Marley, or any other musician or popular figure who ran counter-culture to the scheme being perpetrated by the dictates of the puppeteers pulling the strings in this country, or any other country considered to be part of the "free" world. Can someone please enlighten me as to what it means when the title of this thread reads, "Moved:" and to where, exactly it has been moved? Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter. ************************************************************* O.K. I found it. I forgot there was a sub-section here.

Oh I get it Lennon supposedly financed and obscure article, by an obscure author in a fairly obscure magazine so the MIBH whacked him 8 - 9 YEARS LATER, yeah makes a lot of sense to me. ------- Len where do you get the cash to feed all your straw dogs? ****************************************************** "Len where do you get the cash to feed all your straw dogs?" Oh, and BTW, Len. I keep forgetting to ask. Why do you live in Brazil? Are you an ex-patriot, or merely searching for more "Boys From Brazil?" And, I'm not trying to be facetious here by asking, either.

Myra, are you reffering to the concert for John Sinclair the pro pot activist? If so that took place in Dec 1971, the hight of Johns political activism, not in 79-80. Your cherrypicking/nitpicking the facts LOL yeah pointing out there was no real motive is "cherrypicking/nitpicking the facts" Very doubtful given what he said in his September 80 interview ------------- The government got Lennon hooked on downers and smack? I don't suppose any evidence will be forthcoming That seems to have stopped 8 years earlier ---------------- Len claims there was no real motive. Can you imagine John Lennon being silent during the 1980s? It was a strange hard right turn. But Lennnon was appealing to a number of different audiences. He was working class, and he was anti-war. With him around it would have been much harder to resurrect the great Hitler like stabbed in the back myth that Reagan and the corporate media made about Vietnam. Lennon was on record about Vietnam. HE ALSO COULD GET ON NATIONAL MEDIA ANYTIME THAT HE WANTED AND DELIVER A REAL CRITIQUE OF US POLICY NOT THE SORT OF MEALLY MOUTH FAKE CRITIGUE THAT WAS TYPICAL OF DEMOCRATS IN BEGINNING AROUND 1976 TO THE PRESENT. Governments are concerned by this coast to coast prime time media capacity of a REAL opposition figure. See Hoover's famous "black messiah comment. LENNON HAD THIS PRIME TIME NATIONAL MEDIA ABILITY. Think Nicaragaan contras. Now think of living John Lennon. Could well have been the tipping point. More so than another politician. Its about message, its purity, and the degree of access to the national media. Not some vote in a smothered committee. Just ask the Clintons, those can be a bit deceptive. ********************************************************* "HE ALSO COULD GET ON NATIONAL MEDIA ANYTIME THAT HE WANTED AND DELIVER A REAL CRITIQUE OF US POLICY NOT THE SORT OF MEALY-MOUTH FAKE CRITIQUE THAT WAS TYPICAL OF DEMOCRATS IN BEGINNING AROUND 1976 TO THE PRESENT." And, let us all not forget why Operation Mockingbird was created in 1947 by the British and American OSS affiliation, in the first place. If I'm not mistaken, television was invented as a primary venue for the psychological manipulation and control of masses of humanity, albeit presented in the form of an entertainment diversion. To this day, it serves as the major vehicle for molding public opinion and promoting sales of consumer goods, as well as for controlling the political campaign machinations, of which the majority of the "public" STILL cannot seem to grasp the fact of how this VISUAL "aid" or application IS, and CONTINUES to be used against them. It has already been medically demonstrated via Brain Scan SPECT Analysis how susceptible and vulnerable the human brain may be when visually manipulated through the use of simple tasks or visual stimulation which, over time and exposure to said stimuli may, in some cases, permanently alter its chemical response to certain stimuli in the exact same way it would react to that of a drug-induced stimuli. It was stated above that John Lennon's "call-to-arms" for a demonstration against an unpopular cause, and the power he wielded over a generation could be reason enough to silence him. Especially, since he had the balls to voice his opinion and knew exactly how to use Mockingbird's own devices against them for his own gain, and to the perceived betterment of a country. And also, let us never forget his statement on national radio and T.V. about how The Beatles were bigger than Jesus Christ. He was right! And, "The Right" was all over him like flies on dog doo-doo for blaspheming another tried and true mind control tactic used by the fascists for centuries, since The Dark Ages. IMHO, this was enough reason for them to want to snuff him, Marley, or any other musician or popular figure who ran counter-culture to the scheme being perpetrated by the dictates of the puppeteers pulling the strings in this country, or any other country considered to be part of the "free" world. Can someone please enlighten me as to what it means when the title of this thread reads, "Moved:" and to where, exactly it has been moved? Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.

I'd be really interested in hearing your theory on why the CIA (presumably it was the CIA) set the trap for Nixon Stephen. Either in this thread or another. *********************************************** DL once told me, in so many words, that Nixon never really posed any big threat to the guys running the show in D.C., NYC, or Dallas. Although, he may have had aristocratic WASP-ish aspirations, he would never have been allowed to join the big boys in their big "board" games as any kind of a major player. Why? Because he came from "Quaker" bloodlines and would never be suited, nor accepted by the American old line of blue-blood society industrialists and bankers. At least, that's what appears to be a logical explanation for his lack of support during the Watergate fiasco. It also explains the lack of respect afforded him by that segment of society which, by and large, graduates from Yale, Harvard, MIT, North Western, and the Chicago School of Economics, etc. He probably was looked upon as a "bidder, or "lacky" of sorts, who would do the "bidding" of the industrial complex. But, what they hadn't counted on was for him to go paranoid on them in the manner he did, especially after the assassinations that took place in the 60's, and his subsequent election thereafter. The same could be said for that other hand-puppet of the industrialist fascists, Ronald Reagan.

**************************************************** “A History of Secret U.S. Government Programs,” notes that as early as 1931, there has been documented federal interest in the creation of a cancer-causing agents: “Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission.” In 1975, “the virus section of Fort Detrick’s Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses.” Here's an excerpt from an article in my April 2008 Harper's Magazine documenting transmissible cancerous tumors found in Tasmanian Devils off the coast of Australia and New Zealand, how there may be an evolutionary process at work: CONTAGIOUS CANCER The evolution of a killer By David Quammen The phenomenon of transmissible tumors isn't confined to Tasmanian Devils. There have been human cases. "Other cases are less easily explained. In 1986, two researchers from the National Institutes Of Health reported that a laboratory worker, a healthy nineteen-year-old woman, had accidentally jabbed herself with a syringe carrying colon-cancer cells; a colonic tumor grew in her hand, but she was rescued by surgery. More recently, a fifty-three-year-old surgeon cut his left palm while removing a malignancy from a patient's abdomen, and five months later he found himself with a palm tumor, one that genetically matched the patient's tumor. His immune system responded creating an inflammation around the tumor, but the response was insufficient and the tumor kept growing. Why? How? It wasn't supposed to be able to do that. Again, though, surgery delivered a full cure. And then there's Henri Vadon. He was a medical student in the 1920s who poked his left hand with a syringe after drawing liquid from the mastectomy wound of a woman being treated for breast cancer. Vadon, too, developed a hand tumor. Three years later, he died of metastasized cancer because neither the surgical techniques of his era nor his own immune system could save him." Judyth Baker may not have been "just whistling down a well."

Well, I imagine the whole idea in these things is that if you can't get the target convicted for something, you can at least financially ruin him. Yup, that's the idea. Let's HOPE the jury remains deadlocked and the judge is forced to declare a mistrial. Then hope that on balance there were only a couple of holdouts for conviction. And I hope that they will talk with the media, once released. Erick- (my husband, law partner and forum member )- had an interesting experience yesterday related to this. At a CLE (Continuing Legal Ed. ) class, the subject was witness prep and jury selection. The presenter told of one prospective juror who was a counsellor and said, one of her areas of concentration is with people who had been victims of brain washing by the government. He said he got rid of her figuring she was a loonie. So my husband went up to him and asked him if he knew about the CIA and MKULTRA. "No" was the resposnse. So Erick, who is actually shy in social settings- (but NOT in his law practice)- went up to several more attorneys and asked the same question. As someone pointed out I believe in this thread, the more educated a person is, the less they know or WANT TO KNOW on this stuff. I noticed this many decades ago. All had the same response "No." He told them all to google it, even wrote it down. They won't. I have been doing this for years to no avail. Dawn ***************************************************** As someone pointed out, I believe in this thread, the more educated a person is, the less they know or WANT TO KNOW on this stuff. I noticed this many decades ago. All had the same response "No." He told them all to google it, even wrote it down. They won't. And, in their insecurity and sometimes [outright] avarice, they become complicit, in and of, themselves for not being unbiased enough to take a look at both sides of the coin. Just another crew of ostriches and sheeple, you'll never be able to count on, IMHO. A "hypocritic oath" for the profession of law. Pardon my bastardization of the word "hypocrisy."

From TreeFrog, today March 30, 2008: "Hi Ed, This is the mini-website for John's and my book that you are thanked in. http://www.globepequot.com/special/whokilledmlk/ Lyndon" Who Killed Martin Luther King? The answer was known... December 9th, 1999: "Raul," The Mafia and the Memphis Police: From the King Center: MLK Assassination - James Earl Ray Trial Transcripts Testimony of LOYD JOWERS, Judge Joe Brown, and others. http://www.thekingcenter.org/news/trial/Volume5.html King Center - The Entire MLK Assassination - James Earl Ray Trial Transcripts http://www.thekingcenter.org/news/trial.html#Transcript On December 9th, 1999, a jury of 12 Tennessee citizens restored the judicial honor of their state when they found James Earl Ray "not guilty of shooting Dr. King." The Transcription of the King Family Press Conference on the MLK Assassination Trial Verdict December 9, 1999 Atlanta, GA http://www.thekingcenter.com/news/trial/PressConf.html "Free at last...Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we're Free at last." Martin Luther King, April 3rd, 1968

************************************************* "The CIA Wants YOU!" That was cute, Bill! How are things coming along at the cabin? Write me: tmauro@pacbell.net

Exactly the point. Motive. He sided with working people vs US Steel, vs outsourcing, vs big business... ********************************************************** It's time for another Civil War. The People of The United States vs The U.S. Government and its pandering corporate lobby of on-shore and off-shore entities, including and notwithstanding, The Federal Reserve, and the global power it has take upon itself to ensure. It's time to take action because, at this rate, no one else is going to.

Maybe he wants to remain alive, unlike Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin. Kathy I talked to Hayden last year after attending a small anti-war play in West L.A. directed by a friend, at which he spoke. I asked him if he followed developments in the Kennedy assassination. He said he did, but just barely. I gave him a card with my webpage address on it. He said he'd look at it, but much as Oliver Stone and Emilio Estevez before him, never wrote me to tell me his reaction to my "stuff." I doubt he even looked. I've found that most veterans from the 60's feel there was a conspiracy, but won't lift a finger to read anything written about the case from the last 30 years. They were pleased that the HSCA said there'd been a conspiracy, and that Oliver Stone's film was a hit. But that's as far as it goes. *************************************************************** "I've found that most veterans from the 60's feel there was a conspiracy, but won't lift a finger to read anything written about the case from the last 30 years. They were pleased that the HSCA said there'd been a conspiracy, and that Oliver Stone's film was a hit. But that's as far as it goes." On target once again, Pat! Especially, those whose lives [between the ages of 55 and 65] have been basically left untouched, or unchanged by the job layoffs, loss of medical benefits, higher energy costs, and the purportedly "looming" recession. More like "The Great Depression Of The 1930's," if you ask me. The subprime scam is creating more homelessness than John Q. Sucker [the taxpayer] can afford to shoulder much longer, what with the Iraqui debacle, and all the outsourcing that's been wrecking our economy for the last 20 years. Ostriches with their heads in the sand, or "where the sun don't shine." "Just as long as it stays away from my backyard!" And, "As long as I can manage to retire with my dignity in tact." IOW, "Please don't force me to have to face those particular realities of life, especially now that I have my nest egg [401K Plan] to worry about."

Von Pinhead was hawking Bugliosi's book a year before it was published on various forums on the web. He is a subscriber of the official version and like Bugliosi, refers to and considers anyone who disagrees with him a "kook", often referring to them as "Mr. Kook". Not only is Von Pein in complete denial even when presented with evidence of a conspiracy, he has suffered the misfortune of being thrown off reputable forums like JFK Lancer. In newsgroup alt.conspiracy.jfk, one can see that a typical Von Pein post may include links to previous Von Pein posts. In other words, he posts opinion, then uses it as a factual reference in a later post. I've never seen anything so ridiculous: using oneself as a source. Of course, when you have nothing else, I suppose, you dock at any port in a storm. In Von Pein's world, there is no such thing as tampering with evidence. There is no such thing as altering affidavits. There is no such thing as evidence substitution. There is no such thing as staged police lineups. There is no such thing as coerced witnesses. In Von Pein's world, 80 % or more of the public, who believe that John Kennedy was killed as a result of a conspiracy, are simply "kooks". For Von Pein's sake, I hope Bugliosi doesn't stop short one day. I've been following the antics of the lone nut shills over at the alt.conspiracy.jfk site for several months now. Do Von Pein and those other people really think they are fooling anybody? Anyone who has to hurl insults, in lieu of actual fact based arguments, has already lost the debate. I haven't read Bugliosi's book, and don't intend to (no need to waste my time on a book arguing the thesis that the world is flat) but from what I have heard, he stoops to the same level of name calling that the lone nut internet forum brigade engages in as a regular routine. At this late date, with all the new revelations from the ARRB added on to what was previously known, anyone seriously arguing the Warren Commission line is either in a severe state of denial, or is a paid shill of the establishment. Pathetic. Brian: I, like you, have not bought nor read Bugliosi's "cinder block" book. And I also have no intention of doing so. I have the WC 26 volumes on CD-ROM and I've read Case Closed (then threw it in the trash), so for me, the-same-old-same-old is just a waste of time and money. The purpose of the childishness of the McAdams-sent trolls at a.c.j. is to distract the discussion away from evidence and testimony and away from exposure of the truth by using off-topic postings that have nothing to do with the JFK assassination but instead serve to sidetrack everyone. As you know, more often than not, the ones who hurl the first insults are those on the LN side. Many times, Cters (myself included) fall for their tactics and retaliate. But I'm learning not to fall into their trap. Trolls don't care about the case. They just care about being a-holes to whomever. Many don't like the Kennedys. Many more don't like people who believe in conspiracies. So this case draws quite a few "nut jobs" from all over the map. Some of whom wish to please their master, who has vowed to destroy a.c.j. http://www.prouty.org/mcadams I find it funny that those who ridicule conspiracies are, in fact, part of a conspiracy to destroy a newsgroup. ************************************************************ "...Bugliosi's "cinder block" book." Just loved that reference to it, Gil. Myra Bronstein referred to it as, "Bugliosi's Tonnage." I like to think of it as a "door-stop," for all that it's not worth. DL once told me, "What's the use of having all these documents and data in your hands when you don't know the first thing about piecing it all together?" It's like taking a person who does not make it a hobby of working on thousand piece puzzles, handing them a bagful of thousands of pieces, and encouraging them to "run with it." And, that's how Bugliosi comes off, in my opinion. Then, to top it all off, he comes out swinging with both fists, ranting and raving like a rabid dog, against the opposition. All the while resorting to school yard name-calling tactics, and slinging ad hominems in the direction of any "so-called" conspiracy theorem. Every contradiction, or contra-indication, against a case for conspiracy has all the earmarks of a totally irrational mindset. And, Bugliosi wears it out.

********************************************************* Thanks for posting this, DL. You always make me proud to know you, Bunky. Love, Ter

********************************************************* "...Bugliosi's use of Haines and Myers, and his paying them to keep quiet, raises questions about his integrity. I mean why, if everything was on the up and up, as claimed by Von Pein, would Bugliosi arrange to have them "silenced"?" Exactly, Pat. "Von Pain," as I've referred to him on Lancer, and in retorting him on amazon.com, is nothing more than a shill, for Bugliosi. An out and out LN "shill," for Bugliosi.

I might have to revive my time line by a few months or so, but this is from memory. The M-26-7 was formed in Mexico City about 1957 known as the Mexico/Arms Pack. (Joe Westbrook Rosales, Fureta Chomon and others I can not recall at the moment were the founders, I think) The Students from a Democratic Cuban operated from the University of Havana. At first there was no CIA involvement in those activities. This was Pro-Castro days. Castro was in the Mountains with about 80 or so rebels and was known to the CIA as Castro's Jul 26 revolution. Soon the Students of the University was caught by Batista and some were jailed and some were executed. The group was splintered and most went with Castro's July 26th movement. Just before the M26-7 disbanded and threw in with Castro, the CIA step in and planted operatives within that group, the M26-7. Some of these operatives merged in with Castro's rebels and reported back to the CIA at Miami's Wave Station. (not JM/WAVE; it had not been formed as yet; and too, it was not known as Miami Station as yet) Operative Howard out of Washington DC was the POC (Point of Contact from this group of operatives) William Morgan who was with the Castro rebels was one of the CIA operatives who reported back, via cut-outs, back to CIA HDQ's Covert Action Group, (CAG) That's the first time I was aware of "Howard" which I some years later found out was Joannides. However, he would not become of interest until the early sixties after the DR and the Fair Play organizations and Oswald came on the scene. This is a rough background as recall from memory. However, it is documented and If the CIA does release their files we can all read about how the CIA supported Batista, The M26-7 as well as Castro's July 26th Revolution, all at the same time. I'm sure some will take issue with this rough recap on one operation which ran about six years. None the less it is my viewpoint and I think if the documents are released it will support this recap and other matters to some degree. All of the above is perhaps still classified. But I do not think my memory is "Classified". I have not released any documents to this effect and my seven years is long over on these matters. I'm not sure if any of this early background helps you in anyway...., but I thought it might. I think Harry Dean might have matters he could add, as to the early sixties material..., but I do not speak for Harry. XXXXXI might have to revive my time line by a few months or so, but this is from memory. The M-26-7 was fromed in Mexico City about 1957 known as the Mexico/Arms Pack. (Joe Westbrook Rosales, Fureta Chomon and others I can not recall at the moment were the founders, I think) The Students from a Domocratic Cuban operated from the University of Havana. At first there was no CIA involvement in that operation. This was Pro-Castro days. Castro was in the Mountains with about 80 or so rebels and was known to the CIA as Castro's Jul 26 revolution. Soon the Students of the University was caught by Batista and some were jailed and some were executed. The group was splintered and most went with Castro's July 26th movement. Just befor the M26-7 disbanded and threw in with Castro, the CIA step in and planted operatives with that group, M26-7. Some of these operatives merged in with Castro's rebels and reported back to the CIA at Miami's Wave Station. (not JM/WAVE; it had not been forumed as yet; and to it was not known as Miami Station as yet) Operative Howard out of Washington DC was the POC (Point of Contact from this group of operatives. William Morgan who was with the Castro rebels was one of the CIA operatives who reported back, via cut-outs, back to CIA HDQ's Covert Action Group. Thats the first time I was aware of "Howard" which I some years later found out was Joannides. However, he would not become prominate until the early sixties after the DR and the Fair Play organizations and Oswald came on the scean. This is a rough background as recall from memory. However, it is documented and If the CIA does release their files we can all read about how the CIA supported Batista, The M26-7 as well as Castro's July 26th Revolution, all at the same time. ******************************************************************** Thanks for clarifying these details on Johannides and DRE, Bill. I'm really looking forward to your book's release. You're one of the last true patriots left, you know. I'm glad you're still here, and decided to stick around for as long as you have. Ter

Doug, since you are Worthington's lawyer, will you be assisting him in the "criminal charges" he is threatening against his elderly mother? Will Mrs. Worthington's trial on the charge of "misleading her son" be televised live around the world on CNN? What is the maximum sentance a court can award for the crime of "Misleading Jack Worthington" ? ************************************************************************ I'm still waiting for this guy to flash that "unmistakable" Kennedy smile. Show me the "teeth."

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Have you contacted Larry Hancock? He has carried out detailed research into Wallace. There was no reason for those boys to cover their tracks or use alaises. The golf course hit (one of many of the time) was just a walk up, by one person and POW. It had nothing to do with Texas politics. It was all about a girl friend I was told. Even if they, or he, were caught with the smoking gun in hard and if they were Texas connected they had a "get out of jail free" card. There were a whole flock of good old Texas boys that would do the dirty work for the special interest of the power elite of Texas. Those boys paved the way for LBJ into State and National Politics. It was a tight organization and not many escaped their wrath. JFK found that out the hard way. Texas to this day has more power in national and state politices than most Americans can comprehend. And It's not over yet. The way to Washington DC is via Texas. If you do not play their game, they will just kill you and be done with it; and go home and have dinner. *********************************************************** "Texas to this day has more power in national and state politices than most Americans can comprehend. And It's not over yet. The way to Washington DC is via Texas. If you do not play their game, they will just kill you and be done with it; and go home and have dinner." This is based upon Texas' power in the oil industry, I presume, or am I off-base, here? Or, is Texas strictly a separate entity unto itself? Maybe that's why they like to refer to themselves as "The Lone Star State?" Federal Regs obviously need not apply to them.

Kathleen: I too, have heard the theory that you mentioned. However, I do not know about that and can't be of much help in that direction. Your other questions have been addressed in detail in scattered places on this forum and at other places for a number of years now. It was detailed to some degree in a post "Flight to Dallas", I think, and posted some years ago. None the less, I will be as brief as I can in responds to your questions. Perhaps others here can bring some of those post forward and therein some of your questions will be answered in more detail. "...Tosh, if you were there, why?...". Information had been received from Military INTEL and CIA Miami Station that a hit was going to be made on the President. The information had been obtained from two people who were going to fire a Bazooka on Air Force One, at West Palm Beach Florida, approximately November 17, 1963. From that interrogation (I was told) of these two people came the information and it was passed to JM/WAVE and to our case officers at West Palm Beach. I was one of the pilots that flew the team into Dallas. I was not "mission operational", at that time other than the pilot. The details of how and why that mission came together I would not know. I was not at the clearance level to know. Most of those details would be reveled to me later. (Some of those details came many years later) "...Were you trying to stop the assassination?...". Yes.. I was asked by Sergio, at Red Bird, if I wanted to go and see the President, Otherwise I would just hang out at Red Bird Airport as I had done on most other transportation type missions. Sergio explained most of the details of what his part was in the overall mission. He was a "Spotter" I did know bits and pieces, but most of the details came from my case officer, Bob Bennett and Sergio. Most of the team did not think much of the mission. They, as well as I, thought it just another wild goose chase and there was nothing to it. There had been many threats and rumors as to the assassination of the Presidents during that time frame. I had worked Dallas with MI on other matters, and was familiar with the area and knew some of the Dallas Cubans as well as knowing of LHO. They, the Dallas Cubans, were NOT involved in any way concerning the assassination. But they were heavily involved in Gun Running to southern Florida and the Cuban exile community) "...If so, by what means --What were you doing to prevent the assassination?...". Sergio's was one of many "spotters". His job was to secure the south side of the Plaza and the south parking lot. Other spotters were working the north side and that parking lot as well as the rail road tracks and overpass. There was communication between all personal on the mission. Sergio had a communication device and I had a clip board and a pair of binoculars. Our communication was spoty at best. nothing worked right. It has been said that I said "we were there to take them out". I have said that, BUT it has been taken out of context. We were there to get close enough to disrupt their, (the assassins) timing and to quickly remove them from the threat. To "take them out" was not meant to shoot them or have a gun fight, like some have said. If that had happened then there would have been a fire fight in the Plaza that day and many, other than the President, would have been killed. As I have said before..if that had happened.... "It would have been a real blood bath... two factions fighting it out in the Plaza". "... hiding in the shadow of a tree some distance away from the action, so to speak?..." We were not hiding in the shadows. We were working our (Sergio's) section. We had just completed our walk through the south parking lot where we saw nothing unusual and had walked past the steps by the fork tree and turned to walk back toward the overpass. The shots were fired at about the time we were just west of the steps and in the shadows of the tree. At that point we knew the mission had failed and it was our job to get out of the area. The team was not to be known about for obvious reasons. ( The reaso for confrimation of the South Knoll Photo about two people standing in the shadows of the tree) I know this does not address all your questions and it would take pages and pages, perhaps books to answer all of them. However, I too, would like some answers about that day and that is why I joined this forum and have tried to help the research community and in turn get some help from them on my questions... That has not worked..... I think its a lost cause today... This story is to far fetched for anyone to believe today, or yesterday for that matter. The record has been lost and only new releases and other documentation will perhaps someday come to surface, but by then I will be long gone and that is the way it is suppose to be. "...;Did you know where the assassins were?...". NO. We were checking for triangulation crossfire that would be used as a sniper attack method. Each section had been divided up and parts of the team went into areas where a sniper would or should be located. It was a type of walk through, spotting most likely places and then getting close enough to wreck their timing on hence "take them out". We failed in that. In fact the whole mission was a mess from start to finish. We were late, getting to the Plaza. And the flight into Dallas was a wreck waiting to happen, weather delays and etc. A question I have been asked many times... "Could some on your team have been assassins?". Yes. Could have been. But that is speculation. But I do not think so. Because of the way some (most) of the teams reaction as to the failure. If it was an attack team then I think they would have been overjoyed that they had carried it off. That was not the case. Nobody on our flight was happy about the chain of events. Nor were any team members taken out that day.. ************************************************************* "Information had been received from Military INTEL and CIA Miami Station that a hit was going to be made on the President. The information had been obtained from two people who were going to fire a Bazooka on Air Force One, at West Palm Beach Florida, approximately November 17, 1963. From that interrogation (I was told) of these two people came the information and it was passed to JM/WAVE and to our case officers at West Palm Beach. I was one of the pilots that flew the team into Dallas. I was not "mission operational," at that time other than the pilot. The details of how and why that mission came together I would not know. I was not at the clearance level to know. Most of those details would be revealed to me later. (Some of those details came many years later)" "I was told sometime after the assassination that the Adolphs Hotel was a strong possibility and that was the location first learned about from information received from Miami, but it was changed at the last minute to the Plaza. By who I have no idea... As I have said I was not at the level to know all the planning steps involved. Some of what I knew then and know now and came after the fact and in conversations with those involved in the team..." Excellent examples of "compartmentalization," inherent in pretty much any detail or operation meted out by those agencies involved, on a regular basis. The nature of the "job" description, or "non-description," if you will. All the better to maintain total control of all the operatives in the field, by the upper echelon producing the show, IMHO. Thanks for hanging in here, Bill, for fielding all the inquiries, and answering them to the best of your ability. Especially, considering the conditions you were forced to work under on that particular day. You're a most obliging and engaging person to have put up with all the "bonafide" researchers and authors, the hack-job disinfo's and misinfo's, as well as with the students. You're doing a stand-up job, my friend. Ter

********************************************************* "I need this like I need a hole in the head." CD, you irreverent "wise guy," you! What I'd like to see is a picture of his mother, especially around the the era of his birth. Maybe if he'd smiled and flashed that familiar toothy Kennedy smile, which most of the Kennedy off-spring have, I might be persuaded. And maybe if he'd lose 20 pounds, as well. But, what the hey, the smile would probably suffice, to say the least. Your Berry, Terry

************************************************* As far as her statements to the HSCA goes, this woman is committing outright perjury with her stunning lack of recall faculties. Premature Alzheimers' perhaps? And, this pitiful act of concern for what poor little PJM considers to be the "truth," which the CIA is all but mockingly depicting in that memo of theirs, is worse than wretched. They inaccurately, and most likely purposely, portray her as if she's some ridiculously "coercible" American journalist/reporter, "just as long as you don't allow her to suspect she's being manipulated." In a pig's eye! Seems as if she was considered to be a viable, and all but willing, agent for them as far back as 1956, long before the truth about her real affiliations would be made known to the rest of the world. How very convenient for all concerned parties! Thank you, Lisa, Bill, Nate, and James, for this little gem.

***************************************************************** Oh yeah? Well, get a load of this twisted turn of events. When I went to vote last Tuesday, I was directed to the American Independent booth, and told I was no longer allowed to vote across party lines. I ended up voting for Cynthia McKinney. On every place her name appeared, I poked a hole. But, when it came to the presidential candidates being offered up by the A.I., I passed. Why? Because I know nothing about them, was poised to vote for Ron Paul, and had never run up against this kind of opposition in the 22 years I've been voting as an American Independent. What is this? The USSR? I'm pissed as all get out! The American System has been bastardized, and skewed to the Right Of Center, aka Conservative Neo-Con Fascism. To hell with all of them!