Terry Mauro

Thanks, Terry. I hope that Mr. Piper does not replace me as your "favorite fascist" although I do think he fits the fascist title closer than I do. I never cared much for Adolph Hitler nor do I think he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize! (Believe it or not, apparently the Barnes Review so advocates!)

I do try to admit when I have been proven wrong and do try to learn from history. I think back in 1964 I was correct that LBJ was a crook, although I never thought that he had murdered JFK, and I am still a sceptic on whether he was involved. But I do given LBJ credit for passing the civil rights legislation of the 1960s which were of great benefit to our society. (I think they helped pave the way for the economic gowth of the South, as LBJ foresaw.) And I therefore have also concluded that my "hero" BG was wrong in opposing the civil rights legislation, even though he did so on constitutional grounds (and those grounds were consistent with his views on the limited role of the federal govt in other issues as well).

The above is not the only political matter that I was wrong on, but perhaps the most significant.

And Terry I agree that many socialists do indeed care for the betterment of people of all races in all countries in the world, a noble concern that all should admire.

I do agree with Terry (as I know she knows I would) that we should do our best to get along with those with whose political views we disagree and we should attempt to learn from them. If nothing else we should learn their world view and how it influences their political background. I consider my own political views expanded by the membership on this Forum (even though it might be hard to see.) What I cannot tolerate is those who justify the murder of innocents, whether it be fascism from the right or totalitarian communist from the left. I was as opposed as I was to Communism because I saw how evil it was; I am confident that had I been twenty or so years younger I would have been as contemporaneously opposed to Nazi Germany.

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"I do try to admit when I have been proven wrong and do try to learn from history. I think back in 1964 I was correct that LBJ was a crook, although I never thought that he had murdered JFK, and I am still a skeptic on whether he was involved. But I do given LBJ credit for passing the civil rights legislation of the 1960s which were of great benefit to our society. (I think they helped pave the way for the economic gowth of the South, as LBJ foresaw.) And I therefore have also concluded that my "hero" BG was wrong in opposing the civil rights legislation, even though he did so on constitutional grounds (and those grounds were consistent with his views on the limited role of the federal govt in other issues as well)."

I'm in total agreement with you there, T.G.

BTW, my Dad voted for Goldwater, but would have preferred Nelson. Yet, being an artist, he drew each of the presidents and sent them into D.C. until he passed away in 1983. He did a charcoal sketch of LBJ, and received a letter from Lady Bird's secretary that it would hang in a museum dedicated to his life, down in Texas.

And, no one could ever take your place as my favorite fascist, T.G. At least, you're a human being, which is alot more than I can say for any Hitler-loving looney tune.

Argues facts not in evidence. Ex-counsellor, here's the way it works. When you make the assertion, you offer the proof. You don't get to simply pretend that the case has already been made, and then extrapolate from there. I have given you the name of the "main opponent" you claim was murdered by Arbenz. Perhaps from that first clue, you could actually Google up a prima facie case. Unless and until you can do so, please cease and desist from this hair-splitting bullxxxx about what constitutes a "legitimate" government. I mean, for God's sake, by your rule of thumb, Richard Nixon's election wasn't legitimate because somebody killed his "main opponent" Bobby Kennedy.

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Robert,

Great post. Unfortunately, this seems to be Gratz's modus operandi whenever he feels on the defensive, which, given his untenable position and his apparent need to try to "convert" others to his way of thinking, is understandably (and frustratingly) all too often.

FWIW, Thomas

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"whenever he feels on the defensive, which, given his untenable position and his apparent need to try to "convert" others to his way of thinking, is understandably (and frustratingly) all too often."

But, seriously Thomas. I don't think T.G. exhibits any need to try to "convert" others to his way of thinking. After all is said and done, I haven't really noted any vitriolic outbursts, nor any overly condescending verbal abuse coming from his quarter. In fact, I've learned quite a bit from reading the exchanges between T.G. and Robert Charles Dunne. They're both truly gifted in the art of debate. It's an education in, and of, itself. Wouldn't you agree?

What is this, some kind of tribunal in which Tim Gratz is being grilled by John Simkin? I think this thread is TOTALLY out of line. It's simply harassment by a socialist intolerant of someone who disagrees with his views.

This thread's not out of line, you're wrong there. And Tim's no martyr.

Ditto to that, Rush. I think Tim should be prepared to take some of what he dishes out.

The initiation of an entire thread devoted to Tim Gratz's political views isn't questionable because it's undeserved; it's questionable because it's inappropriate and crass.

T.C.

Crass? Yeah, probably. Inappropriate? No, not necessarily. IMO, no other member so often takes issue with others about the suggestion of people who had a role in the assassination.

Tim acts as like gatekeeper, ferociously defending his favorites from any hint of suspicion. His regular questioning of the motives of those who disagree is certainly crass and has become a common feature of the Forum. Some have suggested that this is effectively Tim's Forum. The amount of his posts far exceeds that of any other member. If Tim wants to establish this role for himself that's fine, but there's no reason why the Forum cannot periodically examine the motives of one who wishes to play such a role. FWIW.

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"Crass? Yeah, probably. Inappropriate? No, not necessarily. IMO, no other member so often takes issue with others about the suggestion of people who had a role in the assassination.

Tim acts as like gatekeeper, ferociously defending his favorites from any hint of suspicion. His regular questioning of the motives of those who disagree is certainly crass and has become a common feature of the Forum. Some have suggested that this is effectively Tim's Forum. The amount of his posts far exceeds that of any other member. If Tim wants to establish this role for himself that's fine, but there's no reason why the Forum cannot periodically examine the motives of one who wishes to play such a role. FWIW."

Yeah but guys, I consider myself a revolutionary socialist, yet I also find T.G. amusing and articulate. And, if you read enough of his posts you'll see that he has made concessions when proven off base, or incorrect on certain issues. The fascists of this world are never going to change their views, or their love of exploitation, greed, and manifest destiny. The same as we socialists refuse to accept man's inhumanity toward man, or caste systems of economical inequity. That doesn't mean that we have to incessantly castigate one another when our views become so diametrically opposite, so as to create a battle royale. I think we have enough of that going on in the photographic section of this forum. T.G. is in no way as caustic as Craig Lamson. Hell, T.G.'s downright hospitable compared to the photogrammetry trashing crew. Plus, the fact that he's an excellent debater, and you can't hold that against him.

If Arbenz caused the murder of his main opponent, can you consider his election to be legitimate?

I would say no.

Does it make any difference in your analysis of the CIA actions in Guatemala whether in fact Arbenz came to power legitimately? Would you agree that the CIA's overthrowing a "legitimate" government has different implications than its actions in changing a government that had seized control through illegal means, i.e. an assassination?

As I pointed out on the Guatemala Coup thread, there is no evidence that Jacobo Arbenz Guzman had anything to do with the murder of Francisco Javier Arana. However, it is true that he was very unpopular with the people of Guatemala when it was discovered that Arana tried to arrange a CIA backed coup (public opinion polls showed that he was unable to win in a democratically held election).

This is what Tommy Corcoran told Thomas C. Mann, the director of the State Department’s Office of Inter-American Affairs in the spring of 1950. Public opinion polls showed overwhelming support for Arbenz. You have to understand that Arbenz was a national hero in Guatemala because of the role he played in removing the American-backed military dictatorship. Corcoran asked Mann if he had any plans to prevent Arbenz from being elected. Mann rightly replied: “That is for the people of that country to decide.”

Unhappy with this reply, Corcoran paid a call on the Allen Dulles, the deputy director of the CIA. Dulles, who represented United Fruit in the 1930s, was far more interested in Corcoran’s ideas. “During their meeting Dulles explained to Corcoran that while the CIA was sympathetic to United Fruit, he could not authorize any assistance without the support of the State Department. Dulles assured Corcoran, however, that whoever was elected as the next president of Guatemala would not be allowed to nationalize the operations of United Fruit.”

In November, 1950, Arbenz received more than 60 per cent of the popular vote. Samuel Zemurray, United Fruit Company's largest shareholder, ordered Corcoran to organize an anti-Arbenz campaign in the American media. This included the claim that Guatemala was the beginning of "Soviet expansion in the Americas". This included the story that Arbenz had murdered Arana.

Dulles, Zemurray, and Corcoran tried to persuade Harry Truman to order the overthrow of Arbenz. Truman refused and that is why the CIA had to wait until Dwight Eisenhower was elected to power. Like other Republican presidents since 1954, Eisenhower had no scruples about overthrowing a democratically elected government.

Even if the evidence suggested that Arbenz had murdered Arana, I would still be against the overthrow of his government by the CIA. Let us look at the logic of your position. The leaders of the Soviet Union suspected that right-wing forces murdered John F. Kennedy. Did that give the KGB the right to plot the overthrow of Lyndon Johnson? Why should the United States be the only country in the world that has the right to overthrow governments it does not like?

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"Even if the evidence suggested that Arbenz had murdered Arana, I would still be against the overthrow of his government by the CIA. Let us look at the logic of your position. The leaders of the Soviet Union suspected that right-wing forces murdered John F. Kennedy. Did that give the KGB the right to plot the overthrow of Lyndon Johnson? Why should the United States be the only country in the world that has the right to overthrow governments it does not like?"

It's quite obvious the Geneva Accords didn't amount to anything more that a pile of papers to Dulles and the CIA.

What a different world it would have been if Hitler would have triumphed [...]

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And you're a journalist? Shame on you.

What a different world it would have been if Hitler had triumphed

Or,

What a different world it would be if Hitler had triumphed [...]

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"What a different world it would have been if Hitler had triumphed...

Or,

What a different world it would be if Hitler had triumphed..."

Or, how about: What a different world it would have been, had Hitler triumphed.

Then again, the only way I was able to understand English grammar was by taking Latin I & II, and Spanish I & II. How was anyone able to understand those English dumb-assed "stick" diagrams? I never understood what a pronoun, let alone an adjective was until I took Spanish! Thank God for the conjegation of verbs. The only way I was able to make it through English was by ear, along with my composition and punctuation skills. Otherwise, fuggetaboudit.

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The fact that Cheney ADMITS to one beer before shooting a gun, then sees to it that no authorities are alerted til the next day reeks over cover-up. And a very plausable explanation is that he consumed far more than this one beer he's admitting to.

Dawn

What a shame Lynee is not posting these days, I am sure she would have found a way to implicate Jim Garrison in this.....

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"What a shame Lynee is not posting these days, I am sure she would have found a way to implicate Jim Garrison in this....."

So true, Stevie, so true. But, thank God for the, "YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO IGNORE THIS POSTER", option.

Although, I might be missing some real belly-laughs, according to T.G.'s last post.

The fact that Cheney ADMITS to one beer before shooting a gun, then sees to it that no authorities are alerted til the next day reeks over cover-up. And a very plausable explanation is that he consumed far more than this one beer he's admitting to.

Dawn

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"The fact that Cheney ADMITS to one beer before shooting a gun, then sees to it that no authorities are alerted til the next day reeks over cover-up. And a very plausable explanation is that he consumed far more than this one beer he's admitting to."

Right on, Dawn! Like, instead of this , it was more like this .

Talk about yuks! Instead of wearing a day-glo orange hunting vest, Whittington should've also been wearing a sign proclaiming this, .

Cheney admits to "one beer"......... Tim Carroll is right,

this looks like a classic juvenile cover up.......

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"Cheney admits to "one beer"......... Tim Carroll is right,

this looks like a classic juvenile cover up......."

You got that right, Shanet. Nothing worse than a bunch of drunken hunters.

And, you KNOW they didn't get that reputation overnight. Stereotypical of the "weekend warrior-nature lover", in his ill-conceived perception of what communing with the "great outdoors" means to him.

I'll stick to plain old target shooting to keep my skills honed. When I was 11 or 12, I became appalled to find out what a bullet exactly did to the body of small game. Of course, it taught me my first lessons in entrance/exit wounds, but I could never shoot an animal again after that. Give me a shooting range over any "open range" nowadays.

The shooting took place on a ranch in south Texas.

No news was leaked out about it for 18 hours and then only to a local newspaper.

The news was leaked by a lobbyist who has represented a company that is the second largest contractor in Iraq, having U.S. contracts worth $5.2 billion.

The sheriff of the county in which the shooting took place waited 14 hours to investigate.

The sheriff's investigation did not include interviewing the shooting victim.

The victim is the owner of the building in Austin that housed the Bush gubernatorial campaign headquarters and the private office of Karl Rove.

The office of the Vice President did not release a statement until two days after the shooting.

The White House press secretary, one of Barr McClellan's sons, purposely misled the press about the event and declared it was time "to move on."

The hospital administrator where the victim is being treated said that he did not know what all the fuss was about.

Everyone involved in keeping mum about the exact details of the shooting.

The victim is 78 years old and may die from the pellets permanently lodged in his body.

In short, it's Texas corruption and politics all over again.

(If the victim dies, there will be an attempted cover-up at the local level that will ultimately fail because news travels too fast these days via the Internet in contrast to the 1960's.)

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"(If the victim dies, there will be an attempted cover-up at the local level that will ultimately fail because news travels too fast these days via the Internet in contrast to the 1960's.)"

But, rest assured the neocons have their proverbial asses covered on this one, regardless of how fast news travels via the internet, today. After all, they can always counter that Attorney Whittington, was a colleague, and possibly a little doddering at his age of 78 years. Apparently the news services here on the Left Coast have already begun accusations that Whittington, "unwittingly" placed himself in the line of fire by walking diametrically ahead of Cheney, instead of diagonally, or however hunters are supposed to disperse themselves into the field. Operation Mockingbird in its finest form, at work! Oh, and it's a good thing they hadn't taken any dogs with them. They'd have to answer to PETA had Cheney shot one of the pointers, as well.

With out taking a position on who is right on this matter, I don't think Craig was saying computers were used but rather that if you examine a multiple generation copy of a low resolution image and then blow up a small portion of it several times it's original size analyzing a small blob is of dubious value.

BTW where is the original? Why can't a high quality scan be made of it?

Craig when you say "manipulation" do you mean that you think "badgeman" was intentionally introduced into the image?

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"if you examine a multiple generation copy of a low resolution image and then blow up a small portion of it several times it's original size analyzing a small blob is of dubious value.

BTW where is the original? Why can't a high quality scan be made of it?"

This is similar to what used to happen to a sound mix [back in the 60's] when attempting to add another instrumental track, or when over-dubbing too many vocal tracks to the original basic track. Something known as "losing generations" occurred which resulted in the form of a hissing noise blanketing the overall track. This becomes readily apparent when attempting to make a tape copy of another tape copy. Each time you attempt to reproduce the sound from the original copy to a tape, then attempt to make another copy from the second tape copy, the more generations are being lost, resulting in an unmistakeable "tinny" hiss sound enveloping the entire track.

I believe this same analogy can be applied when discussing loss of resolution each time a picture is copied from the original, creating a second generational, or third generational copy. Therefore, I would imagine that each generation causes a loss of the lines of resolution in a photographic image resulting in less sharpness and definition to the images. It would appear that there would be less data to manipulate with the loss of resolution. Could someone elaborate on that? This is, of course, in reference to the older technology that was available, yet still considered state of the art for that time period.

Today, it has all but been replaced by CD, DVD, and other forms of optical disk transfer mediums, resulting in cleaner and clearer definition. When it comes to cinematography, I still hold fast to the idea of originals being filmed with millimeter canned reel, for quality reproductions purposes. Although, I could be blowing smoke out my ass, as well.

Terry, not only that, but I now moved to a job in a very nice quiet place with far more spare time and a wonderful employer on top of it! Plus the weather is outstanding!

But does anyone else go through the same screen as I do and see the "as" underlined? It makes no sense to me.

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"Terry, not only that, but I now moved to a job in a very nice quiet place with far more spare time and a wonderful employer on top of it! Plus the weather is outstanding!"

Well, what can I say, T.G.? Some folks have all the luck. Although, I can't complain about the weather in SoCal. More semi-arid than a tropical island, I suppose. But it'll do, and has, for the last 40 [has it been that long?] years.

"Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It's off to work we go..."

Terry, not only that, but I now moved to a job in a very nice quiet place with far more spare time and a wonderful employer on top of it! Plus the weather is outstanding!

But does anyone else go through the same screen as I do and see the "as" underlined? It makes no sense to me.

So when did you move to Havana, Senor Gratz? I won't bring out the Fidel shtick...

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"So when did you move to Havana, Senor Gratz? I won't bring out the Fidel shtick..."

T.G. never moved to Havana, David. He just took up residence 90 miles away at the old Key West Naval Base, so he could keep an eye on Fidel. You see, we don't need to be flying F-4B Phantom jets off of Boca Chica every 15 minutes, 24/7 anymore, like we did in the old days back in 1963. We have my friend, "Sieg Heil T.G.", guarding the ramparts for the U.S. at our southern most border, these days. Right, T.G.?

This is Hanoi Jane signing off to go to work now.

Terry, since I am your favorite fascist can you be my favorite leftist? I would say Tim C but you are much prettier! Sorry, sounds sexist, and women should be judged on qualities other than how they look, of course!

My new (temporary) house-mate, a professional musician, one of the nicest guys I've met, is probably to the left of both of you (as hard to believe as that may be). He and I have some interesting political discussions, as you can imagine.

Another Forum idiosycracy:

Have you ever noticed that on the screen "Welcome to the Education Forum", in the words "has" , "as" and "areas" the as is in blue and under-lined?

At least on my screen.

What is that all about?

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"Terry, since I am your favorite fascist can you be my favorite leftist?"

No T.G., I'm your favorite socialist, remember? Unless that's reserved for Simkin? If that's the case, then you can call me your favorite commie pinko. Or Hanoi Jane, even.

"Have you ever noticed that on the screen "Welcome to the Education Forum", in the words "has" , "as" and "areas" the as is in blue and under-lined?"

Nope, because when I come to the site it's through a bookmark I have in my Favorites file that takes me straight to the JFK assassination section. The first thing that comes up is the list of names or profiles on all the authors, researchers, and perps. Then, I click on the assassination debate and the threads show up on the screen. The only Welcome I see is the one saying Welcome guests [log in]. I never noticed any of those underlined blue "as's" that you see on your screen. Are you pulling my leg, or something? Anyhow, I've really got to hit the rack. Remember, what a lucky gig you have while I'm toting that barge and lifting that bale tomorrow morning.

Thomas, I often stay on the Forum and "google" as well and I have never seen that before.

It is rather bizzzare.

Then again I bet neither one of us are "geeks"!

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I've usually got my Rhapsody downloads playing, my mailbox, google, the Ed Forum, and God knows what all in my toolbox tray, going from one to the other, copying and pasting. Never have seen any of those end up as a member viewing the board, here.

"geeks"? I'm probably the most computer illiterate on this site! I had to e-mail my photo to John to put it up for me because I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to scanning pictures on a PC.

Hell, I don't even have a scanner.

"Say goodnight, Gracie." "Goodnight, Gracie."

I noticed that as well, Terry. No idea what it means!

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Well, rest assured, I wasn't inferring that it was my favorite fascist, YOU, T.G.

So, here I thought I'd better go back and make sure I'd made that perfectly clear but there you were, already in like Flynn.

It isn't underlined the way the rest of our names usually are either, the google.com, I mean. Oh well, probably some merry prankster running about.

I'm calling it a night.

Ter

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Have any of you folks ever noticed when logging off, that you can go down to the bottom of the page and find who's logged on and what topics they're viewing on the forum? All fair enough, except when I noticed a member by the name of Google.com?

Who's the jokester?

I think both Pat's post and Frank's post were well-taken.

It has long been an observation of political scientists that the majority of political activists within a party (at least since 1964) tend to be ideologically-driven and more liberal or conservative than the "swing" voters. I was recently reading an excellent book on the 1968 election ("An American Melodrama") and it makes a point that Ronald Reagan made a very serious attempt to wrest the nomination from Richard Nixon. Nixon had to make herculean efforts (with assistance from Strom Thurmond) to prevent the Reagan forces from eroding his support in the Southern states. But in the general election Nixon had to appeal to the great "center": the swing voters who are not ideologically driven. (Ironically, the "swing" or "undecided" voters are often the least informed politically.) The same thing was true with Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

Interesting that John Simkin thinks that my idea that the Democrat Party is "left-wing" is ridiculous. From John's perspective as a socialist, that may indeed be true. But that comment demonstrates what little understanding John has of the American electorate. The partisans in the Democrat Party are far to the left of the American public (and I would agree with Pat that there are partisans in the Republican Party that are far to the right of the American public.)

I agree with Frank's point that President Bush is certainly not a fiscal conservative. I appreciated Frank's exposition of his political philosophy. Although I am sure I would not agree with Frank's position on several issues, it is clear that he has put much thought into his position. I am sure it is almost always true that, for a thoughtful person, one hardly finds a presidential candidate whose views are totally consistent with his or her own. Often the choice may come down to which candidate is closer to your views on most of the issues (or on the issues that are most important to you).

IMO, the issue of greatest importance to most Americans right now is protecting the security of the country from terrorist attacks. If the Democrats cede this issue to the Republicans, they will forfeit any chance of recapturing the White House.

Tim,

Although the media wants Americans to think that protection from terrorist attacks is the most important issue that they face, I think this is wrong. Far more important issues are the looming global oil crisis and China's apparently unstoppable rise to world economic pre-eminence.

Peak oil has now come and gone and shrinking oil supplies must impel western countries to rapidly find and utilise alternatives. The US consumes 20 million barrels of oil per day--4 times more than the second highest consumer, Japan. It's over-reliance on oil puts it in a strategically vulnerable position, considering the enormous foreign debt and the strain being exerted by China on the economies of all western nations (I read yesterday that France's truffle industry is China's latest conquest). The US Government's failure to encourage reduced oil consumption is a gross abrogation of its responsibilty, IMO. When the inevitable oil price rises occur (remember Iran has threatened to greatly reduce its oil production), the effect on the US economy, with its huge consumption level, will be catastrophic. Some believe the writing is already on the wall for the US economy. Don't be fooled into thinking it can't happen. If the US economy collapses all the missiles and tanks in the world won't help it.

The threat of terrorism is real, but wrapping it up as a patriotic crusade only prevents the US from focusing on more urgent issues. The media pumps up this issue in America, Britain, Australia and other nations because it sells papers and delivers television ratings points. There's no money in talking about the folly of over-reliance on non-renewable energy sources.

China is using its rapidly expanding wealth to undermine western economies. GDP growth was 9.9% last year. By refusing to revalue its currency, other nations are being engulfed by cheap Chinese imports to the extent that China's trade surplus exceeds $100 billion and is increasing at a frightening rate. Basically, that's wealth being tranferred to China every year from its hapless trading partners. It also cleverly allows other nations, primarily the US and Europeans, to pioneer new technology which it then copies, then utilises its massive resource of cheap labor to market these goods at prices which render competition unviable. China has been slow to embrace capitalism but is learning very quickly that it has a strategic advantage over the rest of the world, which it is employing ruthlessly.

These are more important issues than the threat of a terrorist attack. Just my opinion, of course.

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"China is using its rapidly expanding wealth to undermine western economies. GDP growth was 9.9% last year. By refusing to revalue its currency, other nations are being engulfed by cheap Chinese imports to the extent that China's trade surplus exceeds $100 billion and is increasing at a frightening rate. Basically, that's wealth being tranferred to China every year from its hapless trading partners. It also cleverly allows other nations, primarily the US and Europeans, to pioneer new technology which it then copies, then utilises its massive resource of cheap labor to market these goods at prices which render competition unviable. China has been slow to embrace capitalism but is learning very quickly that it has a strategic advantage over the rest of the world, which it is employing ruthlessly.

These are more important issues than the threat of a terrorist attack. Just my opinion, of course."

And, you're right on the money with that one, Mark. No pun intended. China's having a field day with GATT. How did that old adage, attributed to the Chinese, go again? They had a saying, "Don't get mad, get even."

Well guess what, folks?

Dear Terro, From the Third Alternative Palamara book= one can assume Dillon stood aside while Gasper Belin was active at Treasury in assassination matters. Dulles knew Scribner and Belin = both head lawyers for Treasury Dept. (see my post on Dulles and SS). Gasper Belin knew JJA, Bundy brothers, and Dulles. There are mis-spellings at electronic NARA - one is OZ tax records (for you Harvey & Lee fans) and Gasper. Dillon was also part of Rockefeller orbit (see diagram THY WILL BE DONE BOOK). The Stillman and regular Rockefeller families were both on the board of Freeport Sulfur. Connections of the Rockefeller family to the coverup can be seen via the GSW corporation and ITEK.

The Duponts/Morgan group were the mainstay of the FDR coup plan. Recent info shows that Prescott Bush

was one of main founders of the Liberty League = these would have helped form troops to aid in FDR coup. Since I believe Prescott & SON part of Dallas - it is very possible Dillon knew - but from Palamara's work and other info on Gasper - DILLON stood aside, IMHO. THANKS SG

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"but from Palamara work and other info on Gasper - DILLON stood aside, IMHO."

In other words, he willingly "stood down", or stood by and let it happen. Another cowardly elitist perp.

Guilt by association.

To which of us do you refer there Tim?

Ask me if I give a sh*t. Yep I'll use the word

Some worked to empower people as opposed to some that worked to subvert and STEAL the American People's voice to speak to power. It is clear which is which. Your history is known. It shames me to think I served this nation to preserve the freedom of some people. But I did and would again if threats were real and not manufactured to empower an UnAmerican Agenda.

Some have worked in community based kitchens to feed the people abandoned by the GOP, some know the need, some cannot see it - until it is too late. Some know the fruit of the GOP/Gingrich/Reagan/Meese/Bu$h1 and 2.

Some couldn't see it even after it lands on their own head as it surely will - ask the German People.

I will not go quietly into the long dark night of living in a Police State of NEOCONS. This is not yet a Fascist nation and you slandering an idea DOES NOT NEGATE THE POSITION.

Or to put in another way Your failure to be informed doesn't invalidate my position no matter how hard you wish it were so.

But then again I would guess you have never listened to hungry kids crying going to sleep because the GOP cut all help in 1996. An inexcusable event in a nation a wealthy as this one. As is the state of public education currently.

A society and body politic CANNOT ever WORK when based on GREED as the GOP IS. Nor can it last.

The GOP only used to despise the poor but now they have declared war on the poor.

Parallel to events in Nazi Germany aslo financed by Wall Street and GOP powers like Prescott Bu$h and Averill Herriman and Fritz Thyssen. Like GranPa like Son like GrandSon. All BUSTED but unindicted and unpunished for crimes.

Nice work if you can get it.

All this has very little to do with MoveOn as is plain.

Jeb and W like Nixon thought all was in hand too in 1972 but Nixon bombed it and so have the Bu$hes.

Keep dreaming NEOCONS. Katrina, Lies for War and saber rattling to Iran - keep it up over estimate your position.

GOP in 2008? Not in even Tim's dreams.

The GOP isn't going to hold the House or Senate in 2006 as they know but refuse to admit.

Ya blew it LOSERS.

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"I will not go quietly into the long dark night of living in a Police State of NEOCONS. This is not yet a Fascist nation and you slandering an idea DOES NOT NEGATE THE POSITION."

To which I will add:

"Don't Take Me Alive"

Agents of the law

Luckless pedestrian

I know you're out there

With rage in your eyes and your megaphones

Saying all is forgiven

Mad Dog surrender

How can I answer

A man of my mind can do anything

[Chorus:]

I'm a bookkeeper's son

I don't want to shoot no one

Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon

Don't take me alive

Got a case of dynamite

I could hold out here all night

Yes I crossed my old man back in Oregon

Don't take me alive

Can you hear the evil crowd

The lies and the laughter

I hear my inside

The mechanized hum of another world

Where no sun is shining

No red light flashing

Here in this darkness

I know what I've done

I know all at once who I am

[Chorus]

All songs by Walter Becker and Donald Fagen

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THE ROYAL SCAM

And they wandered in

From the city of St. John

Without a dime

Wearing coats that shined

Both red and green

Colors from their sunny island

From their boats of iron

They looked upon the promised land

Where surely life was sweet

On the rising tide

To New York City

Did they ride into the street

See the glory

Of the royal scam

They are hounded down

To the bottom of a bad town

Amid the ruins

Where they learn to fear

An angry race of fallen kings

Their dark companions

While the memory of

Their southern sky was clouded by

A savage winter

Every patron saint

Hung on the wall, shared the room

With twenty sinners

See the glory

Of the royal scam

By the blackened wall

He does it all

He thinks he's died and gone to heaven

Now the tale is told

By the old man back home

He reads the letter

How they are paid in gold

Just to babble in the back room

All night and waste their time

And they wandered in

From the city of St. John without a dime

See the glory

Of the royal scam

All songs by Walter Becker and Donald Fagen

Give it whatever name you wish, but it's surely not the Republican party of my father's, or Eisenhower's.

This current bunch makes Nixon look like a bleeding heart liberal. Even Nancy Reagan can't abide these Neo-Confederates. The South Shall Rise Again, indeed....

T.C.

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"This current bunch makes Nixon look like a bleeding heart liberal."

You got that right, T.C.!

Mark Knight wrote:

If you truly believe Dillon to be innocent, step aside and let the investigation prove you correct, Tim.

I suspect Mark did not really mean what this sentence suggests.

Unless principles of justice and fair-play are turned inside-out for the assassination research committee, proof is need to prove someone guilty not innocent. Dillon is not presumed guilty until proven innocent!

Without holding my breath, I will await the introduction of one scintilla of evidence linking Dillon to the assassination. And while I am more than confident no secret service agents were involved, even if there was any SS involvement that fact is insufficient to link Dillon solely because the SS was under the Dept of the Treasury. I do not suspect CIA involvement either but even if I am wrong that would not link John McCone to the assassination. I mean, both the CIA and the Treasurer ultimately reported to the President so under that reasoning JFK must have approved his own assassination! Pure silliness!

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"Some material on the relationship between IG Farben, Dupont, Dillon and the Bush family............

Walter S. Carpenter, Jr. had been chairman of the finance committee of the Du Pont Corporation (1930-40). In 1933, Carpenter oversaw Du Pont's purchase of Remington Arms from Sam Pryor and the Rockefellers, and led Du Pont into partnership with the Nazi I.G. Farben Company for the manufacture of explosives. Carpenter became Du Pont's president in 1940. His cartel with the Nazis was broken up by the U.S. government. Nevertheless, Carpenter remained Du Pont's president as the company's technicians participated massively in the Manhattan Project to produce the first atomic bomb. He was chairman of Du Pont from 1948 to 1962, retaining high-level access to U.S. strategic activities.

Walter Carpenter and Prescott Bush were fellow activists in the Mental Hygiene Society. Originating at Yale University in 1908, the movement had been organized into the World Federation of Mental Health by Montagu Norman, himself a frequent mental patient, former Brown Brothers partner and Bank of England Governor. Norman had appointed as the federation's chairman, Brigadier John Rawlings Rees, director of the Tavistock Psychiatric Clinic, chief psychiatrist and psychological warfare expert for the British intelligence services. Prescott was a director of the society in Connecticut; Carpenter was a director in Delaware.

Paul Mellon was the leading heir to the Mellon fortune, and a long-time neighbor of Averell Harriman's in Middleburg, Virginia, as well as Jupiter Island, Florida. Paul's father, Andrew Mellon, U.S. Treasury Secretary 1921-32, had approved the transactions of Harriman, Pryor and Bush with the Warburgs and the Nazis. Paul Mellon's son-in-law, David K.E. Bruce, worked in Prescott Bush's W.A. Harriman & Co. during the late 1920s; was head of the London branch of U.S. intelligence during World War II; and was Averell Harriman's Assistant Secretary of Commerce in 1947-48. Mellon family money and participation would be instrumental in many domestic U.S. projects of the new Central Intelligence Agency.

Carl Tucker manufactured electronic guidance equipment for the Navy. With the Mellons, Tucker was an owner of South American oil properties. Mrs. Tucker was the great aunt of Nicholas Brady, later George Bush's Iran-Contra partner and U.S. Treasury Secretary. Their son Carll Tucker, Jr. (Skull and Bones 1947), was among the 15 Bonesmen who selected George Bush for induction in the class of 1948.

C.Douglas Dillon was the boss of William H. Draper, Jr. in the Draper-Prescott Bush-Fritz Thyssen Nazi banking scheme of the 1930s and 40s. His father, Clarence Dillon, created the Vereinigte Stahlwerke (Thyssen's German Steel Trust) in 1926. C. Douglas Dillon made Nicholas Brady the chairman of the Dillon Read firm in 1971 and himself continued as chairman of the executive committee. C. Douglas Dillon would be a vital ally of his neighbor Prescott Bush during the Eisenhower administration.

Publisher Nelson Doubleday headed his family's publishing firm, founded under the auspices of J.P. Morgan and other British Empire representatives. When George Bush's `` Uncle Herbie '' died, Doubleday took over as majority owner and chief executive of the New York Mets baseball team.

George W. Merck,chairman of Merck & Co., drug and chemical manufacturers, was director of the War Research Service: Merck was the official chief of all U.S. research into biological warfare from 1942 until at least the end of World War II. After 1944, Merck's organization was placed under the U.S. Chemical Warfare Service. His family firm in Germany and the U.S. was famous for its manufacture of morphine.

A.L. Cole was useful to the Jupiter Islanders as an executive of Readers Digest. In 1965, just after performing a rather dirty favor for George Bush (see Chapter 9), Cole became chairman of the executive committee of the Digest, the world's largest-circulation periodical.

From the late 1940s, Jupiter Island has served as a center for the direction of covert action by the U.S. government and, indeed, for the covert management of the government. Jupiter Island will reappear later on, in our account of George Bush in the Iran-Contra affair."

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And, you see nothing skewed nor out of line with regard to the information divulged here concerning the actions of these people? Even if there is no direct umbilical cord connecting Dillon to the assassination, there's enough circumstantial evidence in the form of guilt by association here to warrant a thorough investigation and disclosure regarding the intended motives and prospective profits which stood to be gained by this individual. With respect to the Kennedy assassination, friend or no friend, it's quite obvious that another term with JFK in office might have proven detrimental to their plans, if not shut them down altogether. The reason being that the death of JFK finally paved the way for this group to wrestle the wheel away from a democratic house and replace them with the neocon mindset of 1994. It took 30 years from the coup in Dallas, for the transition to completely take hold and now it has come to fruition. My father used to refer to JFK as a conservative liberal. Maybe that's why he was slow to pick up on what the elites had in store for him. That was probably his own "Achille's Heel."

What a bunch of --sorry, I never use ther language that best fits!

But I will say that the follies of MoveOn help explain why there is a Republican President and a Republican Congress. The farther to the left the Democrat Party moves, the harder it is for the Dems to elect a President. The Clintons understand this (which is why Hilary is doing her best to paint herself as a "moderate"). If the MoveOn people are able to force the Dems to nominate a leftist rather than a moderate for president in 2008, it will help guarantee four more years of a Republican WH.

So I say: go fot it!

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"The farther to the left the Democrat Party moves, the harder it is for the Dems to elect a President."

Oh really? I've never considered the Democratic party, let alone MoveOn, to be that far to the Left. At least, not in the same sense as you fascist people have taken the Republican party to the Right. Then again, from what I've observed in recent years especially since 1994, is that of one party two branches. Give it whatever name you wish, but it's surely not the Republican party of my father's, or Eisenhower's.

Lately, it's been called to my attention by one of my fellow collaborators, who's just finished his final paper on the assassinations, that there must be something more to "life after JFK assassination research". To which I answered that it was time to get involved with educating the masses of anesthetized citizenry regarding the usurpage of their rights and freedoms by the present political administration and the abomination we've allowed to fester and eat away at the heart of the U.S. Constitution.

Below, I've copied and pasted the section of MoveOn.org and their attempts at organizing demonstrations on a grassroots level by putting you in touch with the chapters in your neighborhood, city, and counties, where you'll be able to make your voice known and heard, along with those of like-minded and kindred spirits.

Those of you who are fed up with what's been happening with your own government's reticence and foot-dragging on these issues of corruption, exploitation, and unmitigated greed, feel free to contact MoveOn.org and express your desire to join, or form your own movement. Find out where and how to start. It's time to take it to the streets. Use your computers for more than expressing your humble opinions on the JFK assassination. We already know who the perpetrators are. It's time to take action, NOW!

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New evidence shows that lobbyists closely connected to indicted-lobbyist Jack Abramoff and Tom DeLay were working for drug companies in the fight over the new Medicare drug law—funding the DeLay-Abramoff money machine.1

That is the sort of corruption we need to expose to the media and the American people and why your work this weekend is so important.

Starting tomorrow thousands of people across the country will gather to connect the dots between their representative and the Republican corruption in Washington—and they've invited the media. A few good articles in the local paper about citizens' anger about Republican corruption could put your Congressperson on the run. The key to success is having a good turnout and that is why your participation is so important.

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Why focus on corruption? This is the issue that is going to end Republican control of Congress this November. More than 91 percent of Americans say they are concerned about corruption in Washington. They blame the Republicans for it and trust Democrats to clean it up. But only 22 percent think their representative is corrupt.2 We've got work to do.

Starting now we have to expose the Republican corruption in Washington directly to the media and the public in our communities, and push Democrats to become the "party of reform."

This strategy will only work if we do three things. First we have to connect corruption to issues people care about like Medicare. Second we have to show people that their member of Congress is tied to the culture of corruption. Finally, we need to press Democrats to support real reform with teeth.

The plan for this weekend to help reach that goal is simple. MoveOn members will gather briefly to discuss the culture of corruption in Washington and then fan out in their communities to spread the word with a leaflet about the Republican corruption behind the Medicare prescription drug law and a petition asking Congress to support real reform with teeth.

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In many communities the local media will show up to report on these events and nationally the press will be judging the mood of the country going into the State of the Union address. Good participation by local citizens will show the media that people want a change.

From start to finish it will take less than two hours and your event will be one of hundreds—insuring we'll send an important message to the media and lawmakers.

In an election year like 2006, we can't let President Bush set the agenda. Last year we came out of the gate strong and beat Bush on Social Security. This year we can expose what he won't expose—the corruption in Washington and the urgent need for change.

Thanks for all you do.

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Thursday, January 26, 2006

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1. Democrats Seek Investigation into Role of Scandal-Tainted Lobbying Group

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=1420

2. Polling Report on Corruption in Washington

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This has been going on for far too long, and we'll keep repeating the same mistakes in Iraq and God knows where else, as long as we do nothing to change this mass psy-ops we've allowed to be pulled on us.

BORN IN THE U.S.A.

Born down in a dead man's town

The first kick I took was when I hit the ground

You end up like a dog that's been beat too much

Till you spend half your life just covering up

Born in the U.S.A.

I was born in the U.S.A.

I was born in the U.S.A.

Born in the U.S.A.

Got in a little hometown jam

So they put a rifle in my hand

Sent me off to a foreign land

To go and kill the yellow man

Born in the U.S.A.

I was born in the U.S.A.

I was born in the U.S.A.

I was born in the U.S.A.

Born in the U.S.A.

Come back home to the refinery

Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me"

Went down to see my V.A. man

He said "Son, don't you understand"

I had a brother at Khe Sahn fighting off the Viet Cong

They're still there, he's all gone

He had a woman he loved in Saigon

I got a picture of him in her arms now

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary

Out by the gas fires of the refinery

I'm ten years burning down the road

Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go

Born in the U.S.A.

I was born in the U.S.A.

Born in the U.S.A.

I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.

Born in the U.S.A.

Born in the U.S.A.

Born in the U.S.A.

I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.

Copyright © Bruce Springsteen (ASCAP)

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MY HOME TOWN

I was eight years old and running with a dime in my hand

Into the bus stop to pick up a paper for my old man

I'd sit on his lap in that big old Buick and steer as we drove through town

He'd tousle my hair and say son take a good look around this is your hometown

This is your hometown

This is your hometown

This is your hometown

In '65 tension was running high at my high school

There was a lot of fights between the black and white

There was nothing you could do

Two cars at a light on a Saturday night in the back seat there was a gun

Words were passed in a shotgun blast

Troubled times had come to my hometown

My hometown

My hometown

My hometown

Now Main Street's whitewashed windows and vacant stores

Seems like there ain't nobody wants to come down here no more

They're closing down the textile mill across the railroad tracks

Foreman says these jobs are going boys and they ain't coming back to your hometown

Your hometown

Your hometown

Your hometown

Last night me and Kate we laid in bed

talking about getting out

Packing up our bags maybe heading south

I'm thirty-five we got a boy of our own now

Last night I sat him up behind the wheel and said son take a good look around

This is your hometown

Copyright © Bruce Springsteen (ASCAP)

At the risk of repeating myself, we must assume that Dr. Wecht is innocent of all charges brought against him.

Not sure if we accomplish much here by reviewing the CHARGES against Dr. Wecht. He will have a vigorous defense and the jury will decide whether any of the charges are true beyond a reasonable doubt. And I have no doubt that if he is convicted on any count, there will be an appeal.

It is sad that, if true, a man of Dr. Wecht's credentials engaged in the conduct charged against him. But let us simply assume (as we should) that he is innocent and let the criminal justice system sort this out.

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"It is sad that, if true, a man of Dr. Wecht's credentials engaged in the conduct charged against him. But let us simply assume (as we should) that he is innocent and let the criminal justice system sort this out."

That's the second time you've brought up Dr. Wecht's right to "due process", T.G.

I haven't denoted any "Kangaroo Court" attitude or mentality being directed at Wecht's predicament here. At least, not by any of the members' posts on the subject. If anything, Wecht is beginning to appear to have been set up as a "patsy", on some seemingly trumped up charges, in my opinion.

If, as assumed, this references me, there are some of us who are too old and also could give a xxxx less as to proofreading and/or spellcheck to worry with what the likes of you think.

This isn't a matter of spellcheck, it's a matter of the valuation of education, which is regularly demeaned by this warmonger who right here admits that his photo is cowardly and falsely youthful. Let's have some authenticity fromthis person who celebrates atop the graves of those who've been lost, dismisses those who have done the losing, and gleefully relishes killing as a precursor to the development of a well-trained civilian militia.

T.C.

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First off, despite what many may or may not think, I did not chose the particular photo to post.

Secondly, in event it has taken you this long to come to the realization that as a veteran of Vietnam, that I must be somewhat old, it demonstrates the lack of your understandings of time and space.

Lastly, I am still waiting enthusiastically for your to post all about the heroics of your "International Relations" conflicts and accomplishments in order to complete a comparative analysis of "cowards".

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this person who celebrates atop the graves of those who've been lost, dismisses those who have done the losing,

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In event that I do take the time to participate in celebration of the death, then it is with those who asked that their death be so remembered. Which unique personal characteristics you have obviously not been endowed with.

One can sit around and weep and/or cry about the deceased (for whatever reason) for the remainder of their days. It is not likely to win the next engagement and/or prepare one for the remainder of life, whatever the cause of death.

It is those such as yourself who degrade the sacrifice that these servicemen & women died for, or even merely served for.

It is those such as yourself who sit behind the security of your "International Relations" expertise and expouse that they either died for no reason or else they died because our government was wrong to have sent them to their death.

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http://www.fallenheroesmemorial.com/oif/pr...ooleyseanm.html

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Having attended the Church portion of Sean's funeral, some of us who did survive "our war", recognize what a loss to this country the death of those such as Sean are.

1. A Registered Nurse at Singing River Hospital, Pascagoula, MS

2. An individual with family and one who knew where he was going in life.

3. An individual who was offered the opportunity to transfer into a medical unit and utilize his RN experience in a "rear echelon" area as opposed to the Combat Engineer assignment which he had with his unit.

4. An individual who declined the "safe" route and chose his fellow unit members and assignment rather than to elect the safe RN/medical slot.

An individual who never asked, and wanted none to cry and weep over his decisions.

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You, and those such as you degrade the honor of Sean Cooley, all the while attempting to convince that you know more about what is right for this country than the entire US Government and the President of the US, not to include many other foreign nations.

So, continue to sit safely behind whatever it is that you hide, and wave your flag! You certainly have earned the right to do so.

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"You, and those such as you degrade the honor of Sean Cooley, all the while attempting to convince that you know more about what is right for this country than the entire US Government and the President of the US, not to include many other foreign nations.

So, continue to sit safely behind whatever it is that you hide, and wave your flag! You certainly have earned the right to do so."

No man, that's not what we're doing or wishing to do, at all!

How many more young and vital leaders of tomorrow must be sacrificed on the field of battle. A battle certainly not of the obvious integrity fought in the fetid trenches of Europe, or upon the lonely rocks of Iwo Jima, or the death marches from Bataan? Battles fought in the name of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, for all mankind. A battle for which the fascist, bastard, nazis and imperialistic Japan were determined to maim, mutilate, and destroy the very meaning of. This was supposed to have been the war to end all wars, but we were tricked into believing that communists of Red China and North Korea, were now knocking on the proverbial "iron curtain", Churchill so aptly termed. But, this was all that the fascist elements of our own government and Great Britain needed in order to decide that another war needed to be fought in order to keep the economy going. But, we'll just dress it up in a big red bow to scare the bejesus out of the citizenry, throw in a little HUAC to intimidate any leftist leaning bleeding hearts into cowering and keeping their mouths shut. All of this war bullxxxx is nothing more than the manufactured industrialized diseased mindset of the handfull of bankers, and oilmen who have always been in power and continue to base their colonialistic World Bank and IMF escapades upon exploiting these debtor nations. Third World backwaters they've created principally for the purpose of looting any resources they may consider eminent domaining in the name of ENERGY. Energy for whom? Certainly not the people whose lands they've taken and desecrated. Meanwhile, if the truth be known, the more insidious aspect of this whole charade is the drug trade which turns out to be a lucrative sidebar used to supplement the money earned from draining the diminishing returns of oil from the remaining indigenous regions of the planet. And, you'll always have Citibank [Rockefeller-Morgan] to launder it for you.

So, don't give me that degradation of honor crap because it ain't flying with me, pal. Vietnam was an evil, dishonest, WRONGFUL excuse to make money, to build Hughies and Jet Rangers, and to more than likely fly heroin as well as bodies in and out of the jungle. Keep them stoned and keep them controlled. Your elitist pig commanders could give a flying xxxx about Joe Blow's, or better yet, Little Black Sambo's right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. The only happiness they're concerned with are their own bank accounts, and their goddamned bottom lines. You don't amount to jack xxxx, man! You're just another body bag, if that's what your fate comes down to. YOU, of all people should know that by now! If I've said it a million times, MONEY TALKS - BULLxxxx WALKS, in plain American English.

Poor Sean, God bless him. My heart goes out to his family. I, IN NO WAY, dishonor his memory. He thought he was doing the right thing for his country. And, all the rest of these young mens' hearts, which are thought of as nothing more than a commodity to these murdering fascists in D.C. This ain't a war, it's a mockery, just like the rest of those idiots hell-bent on dismantling and reassembling the constitution to reflect the whims of their CEO's, corporate and otherwise. Who else could be minding the store, anyway? They don't call it "The Company" for nothing.

What government? We haven't seen any reasonable fascimile of American government since it fell in November of 1963.

Wecht indicted, relinquishes medical examiner duties

In an earlier post I mistakenly said that the Wecht indictment has only 60-odd counts. Having re-read Nic Martin's original post I now realize that the indictment is on 80-odd counts. (call me a xxxx if I'm off by twenty criminal charges. Who's counting anyway?)

Jesus H. Christ, but if Jack the Ripper was allive today and was being indicted, I do not believe that an honest prosecutor could come up with an 80-plus count indictment against him. I am not a big fan of Cyril Wecht, but for God's sake he is not Jack the Ripper.

There is something radically wrong here. This prosecution is politically motivated and has "phoney" written all over it. Bye bye Miss American Pie, and Goodbye Liberty.

With the greatest respect to David Healy, it is not enough to say that there is a price to fame. Anyone who speaks out on any issue acquires some degree of fame. That should not be a license for the government to launch an 80-plus count indictment charging someone with using the office telephone for private business.

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It still looks like a frame, to me. Either that, or Pittsburgh should be declaring bankruptcy. I like the "small claims court" remark, though. More apropo.