Terry Mauro

Harold weisberg would be proud and honoed to read this, I know because the last time I talked to him, he told me that Jim Garrison was planning to use sorry bitches to cover up the truth about Rchard Nixon. Didn't work, huh? Try the Mustang ranch, I hear they're hiring there, now that Garrison's old haunts are under water.

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"Harold weisberg would be proud and honoed to read this, I know because the last time I talked to him, he told me that Jim Garrison was planning to use sorry bitches to cover up the truth about Rchard Nixon. Didn't work, huh? Try the Mustang ranch, I hear they're hiring there, now that Garrison's old haunts are under water."

JOHN SIMKIN, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU AND THE REST OF THE FORUM KNOW THAT SHOULD ANYONE TRY TO GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO THIS BITCH AND CLICK ON ANY URL SHE MAY PUT UP, YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR COMPUTERS AT RISK FOR BEING SPAMMED AND SPOOFED THROUGH THE POP-UPS THAT ARE INADVERTENTLY ATTACHED TO THESE SCAMS, WHICH ARE MERELY MORE REGURGITANTS OF MAT WILSON.

This has gone far beyond the limits of whether we're infringing on her freedom of speech rights, should we take a census on booting her ass out of here. But, it's your forum and you have the say on who stays or leaves. I respect that right. But, this has gone too far. Post around her, you say? Not when she takes off on someone elses thread. While, avoiding any and all threads created by her may be the answer initially, I cannot be counted on to "keep a lid on it" should she jump into someone elses, and attempt to usurp it. Sorry.

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"The best critics who have spent their lives studying the Kennedy assassination, including Harold Weisberg, know that Garrison controlled every whorehouse in New orleans."

CITE THEM THEN, YOU DUMB, STUPID, BITCH!!! And, don't waste our time with another url to that asinine site with all those goddamned pop-ups, either. Get the xxxxing books, biblio them, and put them up, or shut up! And, quit using Weisberg to hide behind. He's probably rolling over in his grave with the likes of an idiot such as yourself quoting him out of context. Put it up, or shut it up, NOW! And BTW, nobody's making fun of you. Nobody has to. You make a spectacle out of yourself, all by yourself. Nobody has to lift a finger to do a damned thing.

Terry,

I worry 'bout you darlin, you're just way too timid

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"Terry,

I worry 'bout you darlin, you're just way too timid

Dawn"

Oh, I'm just getting warmed up, honey.

Jim Garrison protected New Orleans Mafia interests, Hoover's FBI didn't have to bug him.

Hoover's FBI shared his interests.

Maybe, you should get yer facts straight, I don't make fun of you, you either don't know what you are talking about or ... for some reason, you want to ignore the Kennedy assassination investigation by turning it into an argument about Jim Garrison.

The best critics who have spent their lives studying the Kennedy assassination, including Harold Weisberg, know that Garrison controlled every whorehouse in New orleans.

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"The best critics who have spent their lives studying the Kennedy assassination, including Harold Weisberg, know that Garrison controlled every whorehouse in New orleans."

CITE THEM THEN, YOU DUMB, STUPID, BITCH!!! And, don't waste our time with another url to that asinine site with all those goddamned pop-ups, either. Get the xxxxing books, biblio them, and put them up, or shut up! And, quit using Weisberg to hide behind. He's probably rolling over in his grave with the likes of an idiot such as yourself quoting him out of context. Put it up, or shut it up, NOW! And BTW, nobody's making fun of you. Nobody has to. You make a spectacle out of yourself, all by yourself. Nobody has to lift a finger to do a damned thing.

The only highlight of 1957 was Buddy Holly and "That'll Be The Day". I never cared much for those new fins on the Chevy Bel Air, either.

I'm sorry, but I've just got to say that Terry has it all wrong! The '57 Chevy is deservedly a classic.

T.C.

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Nah, come on, T.C., the grill work on the 55's, and the sleekness of the two-tone paint jobs on the 56's, especially the convertibles, were superb designing! And yes, T.C. I do acknowledge that the 57 is considered a classic by the auto mags, but that's because it took off from the art deco tail lights of the 55's and 56's, and gave it those radical fins, heralding in the style for the 60's designer autos and muscle cars. But, give me a 56' Bel-Air, two-toned blue convertible any day, with 3-speed on the column, of course.

And, maybe a continental kit, too.

John one immediate problem I noted with this guy's remarks is that he claimed some CIA guys schemed to put Bush in power through the use of Ronald Reagan as a figurehead.

Well having been involved in GOP politics in that period (you'd never guess who my first choice for the GOP nomination was in 1980, BTW) I know there was a bitter fight between Reagan and Bush for the GOP nomination. And as you may very well recall, Reagan almost selected Ford rather than Bush for his VEEP choice.

So the notion that some CIA kingmakers put Reagan and Bush together is just plain wrong.

Wheaton also states:

Reagan never really was the president. He was the front man. They selected a guy that had charisma, who was popular, and just a good old boy, but they got George Bush in there to actually run the White House. They’d let Ronald Reagan and Nancy out of the closet and let them make a speech and run them up the flagpole and salute them and put them back in the closet while these spooks ran the White House

This too is nonsense. Reagan had policies that were anathema to Bush supporters. Reagan's policies were dependent upon the advice of his conservative counselors, e.g. Ed Meese, although James Baker, a Bush man, was certainly influential.

And the true-blue Reagan conservatives were quite disappointed with the changes GB I effected when he took over in 1988. It was then that the true Bush people first took over the WH.

In fact there was an interesting article in the "New York Times Magazine" a while back that GB II was a lot closer philosophically and politically to RR than he was to his own father.

So Wheaton's notion that in the 1980s Reagan was not really president but the country was being run by GB I and his pals the CIA "spooks" is akin to what comes out of the south end of a bull.

Surely you knew this much about American politics, John?

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Well, Jeez Louise! And, I thought it was someone named Donald Regan who was running the White House during Reagan's "Kukla, Fran, and Ollie Show". Silly Me. BTW, whatever happened to that guy?

"This crowd really believes that the unwashed masses are ignorant, that we are people who are not capable of governing ourselves, that we need this elitist group to control the country, and the world --these guys have expanded. They look at the United States not as a country, not in any kind of patriotic mode now, but they look on it as a state within a world that they control [how about as a comodity, my emphasis TM]. And that’s this attitude that they have. They’re not unlike any other megalomaniac in the world. They’re nutty as fruitcake, but they’ve got distinguished gray hair, three-piece dark suits and they carry briefcases, and they’ll stand up and make speeches just as articulate as anybody in the world, but they don’t socialize and function outside their own little clique."

They used to call G. Gordon Liddy, "the most dangerous man in the world". Now he does the University circuit, recruiting Skull and Bones grads.

Well, it figures. Just another bunch of extremely affluent and wealthy psychotic sociopaths running the show! Business as usual. Same old, same old. Nothing's much changed since our own homegrown coup d'etat took effect in late 1963. But, don't dare mention it to the huddled masses. They'll never believe you anyway. It's too scarey for them to comprehend. Yeah, that's because they're brainwashed by their MTV's, HumVee's, and holy-rolling religious creeds. "BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY", regardless of whether they can afford it or not. A debtor nation in more ways than one. You're a real jokester, T.G.

Tim, do you REALLY REALLY believe that American troops are indiscriminately killing innocent civilians in Iraq? If so, where is your proof?

Interesting qualifier, Tim G..... "indiscriminately." Intentional or unintentional, dead is dead. Something you'd know had you served, which you apparently did not. Is it not interesting that the biggest cheerleaders for this carnage are those who excused themselves from doing their duty when it came time for them to do so?

You might profit from visiting a site that exists solely to monitor civilian casualties in Iraq. You can find it @:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Here's the result of their aggregate score-keeping to date, based on best guestimates:

A Dossier of Civilian Casualties in Iraq

2003–2005

New analysis of civilian casualties in Iraq: Report unveils comprehensive details

"A Dossier on Civilian Casualties in Iraq, 2003-2005" is the first detailed account of all non-combatants reported killed or wounded during the first two years of the continuing conflict. The report, published by Iraq Body Count in association with Oxford Research Group, is based on comprehensive analysis of over 10,000 media reports published between March 2003 and March 2005.

Findings include:

Who was killed?

24,865 civilians were reported killed in the first two years.

Women and children accounted for almost 20% of all civilian deaths.

Baghdad alone recorded almost half of all deaths.

When did they die?

30% of civilian deaths occurred during the invasion phase before 1 May 2003.

Post-invasion, the number of civilians killed was almost twice as high in year two (11,351) as in year one (6,215).

Who did the killing?

US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims.

Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims.

Post-invasion criminal violence accounted for 36% of all deaths.

Killings by anti-occupation forces, crime and unknown agents have shown a steady rise over the entire period.

What was the most lethal weaponry?

Over half (53%) of all civilian deaths involved explosive devices.

Air strikes caused most (64%) of the explosives deaths.

Children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets).

How many were injured?

At least 42,500 civilians were reported wounded.

The invasion phase caused 41% of all reported injuries.

Explosive weaponry caused a higher ratio of injuries to deaths than small arms.

The highest wounded-to-death ratio incidents occurred during the invasion phase.

Who provided the information?

Mortuary officials and medics were the most frequently cited witnesses.

Three press agencies provided over one third of the reports used.

Iraqi journalists are increasingly central to the reporting work.

Speaking today at the launch of the report in London, Professor John Sloboda, FBA, one of the report's authors said: "The ever-mounting Iraqi death toll is the forgotten cost of the decision to go to war in Iraq. On average, 34 ordinary Iraqis have met violent deaths every day since the invasion of March 2003. Our data show that no sector of Iraqi society has escaped. We sincerely hope that this research will help to inform decision-makers around the world about the real needs of the Iraqi people as they struggle to rebuild their country. It remains a matter of the gravest concern that, nearly two and half years on, neither the US nor the UK governments have begun to systematically measure the impact of their actions in terms of human lives destroyed."

I don't need to "rise in defense of Mr. Charles-Dunne" because my own views are at least as cynical as his about the Iraq War.

You're not cynical, Tim C.; merely astute. Recall the words of the great wit George Bernard Shaw:

The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it.

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"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."

YES!!!

I have been looking for the origin of that exact quote, which I had clipped out of a newspaper in 1989, and posted on my ex-pollyanna-husband's desk, who had a lousy habit of referring to me as a cynic. He turned out to be a corporate company "boy" after attaining his MBA in 1990. Never served a day in his life, either. Too young for the Vietnam War, born in 1957. The only highlight of 1957 was Buddy Holly and "That'll Be The Day". I never cared much for those new fins on the Chevy Bel Air, either. Good riddance!

So do you also believe that JFK was speaking for the MIC during his inaugural address, John?

Sorry there are some things worth fighting for and now, at least, all of our soldiers are volunteers.

Do you think we fought World War II to make money for companies such as John McCone's?

Sure there are capitalists who make money from wars. But it is because of their business capabilities that we have been able to defeat tyrants such as Hitler--and save the posteriors of a lot of Brits while we were at it!

Had it not been for the MIC in WWII, there would be no Jews left in Europe and you would not have the right to criticize either the British or American governments, both of which would be headed by Fascists.

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"Had it not been for the MIC in WWII, there would be no Jews left in Europe and you would not have the right to criticize either the British or American governments, both of which would be headed by Fascists."

T.G., you're beginning to sound hysterically irrational to the point of bordering on insane!!! Stop it! It's not very becoming to you.

Have you never watched the documentary, nor read the book "Commanding The Heights"? It states, and I saw it broadcast on PBS, where in 1933 Prescott Bush, Milton Friedman and his friend Friedrich Hayek, met at Hayek's Austrian Alps chalet with Farber, were in total support of Hitler, banking on all the dough they were going to be making while doing business with Germany. Nobody was helping, nor aiding the Jews. In fact, they were all turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to the situation. It took the bombing of Britain and France to force the U.S. to quit dragging their feet on getting involved in another war with the krauts.

The fascists have always run the damned show from the time of the Roman Empire, immemorium. It's only after the full impact of a dastardly, egregious, fascist folly that a more liberally leaning politician may stand a chance at taking the helm, and even then he risks being assassinated, either physically, or by character. But, of course as you already know, it's through the utilization of the process of war by which the U.S. culls its own huddled and teeming masses. Don't you get it yet, T.G.? We're going to hell in a bucket, and you could care less. Keep voting for Alfred E. Neuman and The Terminator and you'll really be going places, like to the moon, Alice. POW! ZOOM!

The actual fallout of the Cold War isn't over yet. While folks like Tim Gratz argue that Reagan caused the Soviets to spend themselves into oblivion in the 1980's, current US military spending in Iraq and elsewhere is beginning to have the same effect on the US some 20 years later.

And anyone inside America who cannot see that is obviously not looking.

Of course, it can be argued that, thanks to the Bush tax cuts, the problem is one generated on the "supply-side" of the government revenue picture. But the result, no matter whence its origin, is unmistakable. And so today it seems that Al Quaeda is taking a page from the handbook of Mr. Gratz's hero, Ronald Reagan, and is in the process of doing to the US economy today what Reagan accomplished with the Soviet economy in the 1980's. As the Soviets had insufficient industrial and manufacturing base to sustain the level of military spending required to "keep up," so the crumbling US industrial and manufacturing base will eventually prove to be the US' Achilles heel if the current scenario continues for more than a few short years. The house of cards that is the US economy in 2005 will "come crumblin' down," to use the words of a fellow Hoosier, John Mellencamp, if there is no course correction.

And THAT is why I disagree with Bush's "stay-the-course" mantra. Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to....well, you know.

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"Of course, it can be argued that, thanks to the Bush tax cuts, the problem is one generated on the "supply-side" of the government revenue picture. But the result, no matter whence its origin, is unmistakable."

AKA, "voodoo economics".

"And so today it seems that Al Quaeda is taking a page from the handbook of Mr. Gratz's hero, Ronald Reagan, and is in the process of doing to the US economy today what Reagan accomplished with the Soviet economy in the 1980's. As the Soviets had insufficient industrial and manufacturing base to sustain the level of military spending required to "keep up," so the crumbling US industrial and manufacturing base will eventually prove to be the US' Achilles heel if the current scenario continues for more than a few short years."

We don't have a few short years, my friend. The wolf is already at the door. Ask anyone recently laid off at GM. Ask Bill Ford, who bucked at the same policies trying to be implemented at Ford Motors.

"Ford's statement, given at a Business Roundtable event at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on Nov. 22, urged the U.S. Congress to provide tax credits for the conversion of auto factories, and the retraining of the workforce. Ford rejected the prevailing economic outlook that the U.S. is a "post-industrial economy" that should rely on outsourcing for its manufactured goods. He said, "They say that the only thing that matters is that we get our goods as cheaply as possible-- that we shouldn't worry about the collateral damage. Well, I'm not convinced. I believe that with the right investments, America and the American manufacturing sector can win.""

Terry, you may disagree (you DO disagree!) with the war in Iraq, but that is a far, far cry from claiming that American soldiers are killing innocent civilians! Which is what Mr. Charles-Dunne asserted.

Also, if we effected regime change in Iraq because of oil, then it is fortunate indeed for the Iraqi citizens that we removed the brutal despot terrorist Hussein because of that oil!

A toast to Ramsey Clark, defender of the WC and Sadam Hussein! Where was Clark when Hussein was murdering tens of thousands of innocent Iraquis? Where was their legal defense? The hypocricy of liberals boggles the mind!

As Lenin once called them: useful idiots! (Not intended as a slam against any Forum members, of course)

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"Terry, you may disagree (you DO disagree!) with the war in Iraq, but that is a far, far cry from claiming that American soldiers are killing innocent civilians! Which is what Mr. Charles-Dunne asserted.

Also, if we effected regime change in Iraq because of oil, then it is fortunate indeed for the Iraqi citizens that we removed the brutal despot terrorist Hussein because of that oil!"

But, that's the truth of the matter, T.G. WE ARE KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS. And, we'll continue killing them because we insist on bombing, napalming, and bi-opping their lands. No one is exempt, or safe from that form of carnage. And, if Hussein had these WMD's, and the supposed ICBM capabilities to go up against the continental U.S.A., wouldn't you think they'd have been launched prior to 9/11, instead of the supposed hi-jacking of those commercial airliners to be used as missiles, instead? Hussein may have bought biologics from Germany for use in his immediate area, or under the auspices of the U.S. during our conflict with Iran, because after all, we did recruit him as an ally against the Ayatollah, remember?[Just as Ho Chi Minh had been recruited as our ally in WWII.] Therefore, the U.S. has no one but themselves to blame for whatever upstart behavior our government perceives to be coming from his regime. He's obviously not going to play the fall guy as easily as Noriega did.

Robert Charles-Dunne wrote:

What an interesting world you must live in, Tim. Killing civilians for no apparent purpose passes muster with you, but to suggest that it is wrong shows one's "temerity" and is deemed "outrageous." Your "outrage" is as misplaced as your patriotism.

Killing civilians for no apparent purpose? An incredible assertion, sir.

If there is any other member of this Forum that believes that American soldiers are killing Iraqi civilians for no apparent reason let them rise in defense of Mr. Charles-Dunne!!

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"If there is any other member of this Forum that believes that American soldiers are killing Iraqi civilians for no apparent reason let them rise in defense of Mr. Charles-Dunne!!"

Oh, yeah right, I forgot. We're in there to shove DEMOCRACY down their throats at all costs because it's the American way to deal with these rag heads and goat herders. Convince them that it's not their oil we covet. No, we want to make absolutely certain that they are wiped from the face of the earth. After all, their non-christian/non-judaic belief system won't guarantee their protection from the divine right of imperialistic kings and benevolent despots. As a matter of fact, their belief system is the antithesis of everything Anglo-American, of everything denoting Western society. Therefore, there's no way it can possibly be allowed to peacefully co-exist in a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICAN civilized society, right? But, that's why it's known as the Middle East. It will always be different. Except for Israel, which is nothing more than an Anglo-American outpost.

Hanoi Jane [the beloved infidel]

Robert, Stephen and John, do you believe the Kerry campaign was nothing but a scam? Do you advocate the violent destruction of the US? Robert should apologize for posting this trash!

No Tim, I dont believe the Kerry campaign was a scam, Just so inept, wishy-washy and spineless that I can understand how others would arrive at that conclusion. Nor do I not advocate the violent destruction of America,Just a Socialist revoluton WORLD-WIDE.

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"Nor do I not advocate the violent destruction of America,Just a Socialist revoluton WORLD-WIDE."

Thank you, Stephen. A voice of reason crying out in the wilderness of right-wing lunacy.

[quote name='Robert Charles-Dunne' date='Nov 27 2005, 05:07 PM' post='46606']

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Need I say more?

Actually, yes you do. You gotta lotta 'splainin' to do Lucy.

The Democrats knew only what they'd been told, just like everyone else in the country. Had Blix and El Baradai been allowed to complete their task, think of the untold lives spared from the current carnage, including the 2,100 men and women in your country's uniform who have so pointlessly been sacrificed for lies. For some reason, Bush and Blair became sputtering, hysterical shrews at the very notion that UN inspectors be given sufficient time to complete that task. "But.. but... we know Saddam can blow us up in 45 minutes!!! The sky is falling, the sky is falling." You may recall both the US and UK insisted that they knew the locations of those WMD being sought by the UN, but wouldn't tell Blix and El Baradai. Neither country would disclose, because then Saddam would simply move them from those locations. Lies, lies, and more lies, as we've found out to our eternal nausea.

As Paul O'Neill, Richard Clark and the Downing Street memos have already made perfectly clear, invading Iraq was on the agenda from the outset, and intelligence was both manufactured and misinterpreted to achieve that predetermined goal. Yet, you claim there were no dissenting voices raised at the time. Another lie. Dissenting voices were excluded [Colin Powell] and drowned out [moderate UN proposals] by the shrill insistence upon war as the only recourse.

As I've already pointed out, Canada declined to join the stampede toward slaughter. While I cannot assure you on what basis it made that prescient and principled stand, despite the most undiplomatic arm-twisting from you Ambassador to Ottawa, it is clear that had Canada swallowed the "faulty intelligence" bruited by your administration, Canadian troops would currently be in Baghdad, just as they are in Khandahar. Presumably, our government knew something that disinclined it to participate. For God's sake, if Canadians knew this was a fraud, shouldn't you have known it too?

Your mea culpa won't wash, ex-counsellor. Every time you point to the "faulty intelligence" trafficked by the Bush administration then, you only display your own faulty intelligence now.

You seem to feel that being incredibly stupid is an excuse for what Bush has wrought. "He didn't lie. He was just stupid." Where I come from, that's grounds for removal from office and punishment, not an acquittal. 9-1-1 happened on his watch, and by thereafter divining the future from the tea leaves and chicken viscera supplied by the likes of Chalabi, Bush screwed the pooch. Now you seek to mitigate that guilt by claiming that nobody else briefed by the Bush White House knew anything more than it did. Gee, what a revelation. I guess everything's OK, then. Bush is great after all.

"Saddam has WMD." Nope.

"Saddam's working on nukes." Nope.

"Saddam's sponsoring Al Quaeda." Nope.

"Saddam was behind 9-1-1." Nope.

"We will be greeted as liberators." Nope.

"The insurgency is in its last throes." Nope.

"Why do people around the globe hate us so?" One can't imagine...

I shall continue to remind you of these facts for the next 20 years, which is about how long it will take you to disengage from the mess you've made.

Robert:

Please get neo-con Bill O' Reilly's email address and send him the news. Perhaps if you can't convince Tim of these "self evident truths" -(in my opinion)- you can enlighten W's biggest cheer leader in this evil war.

Or at least try.

Dawn

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Aaah !! What fond memories are brought to mind. The "Commie-Symps" and their "fellow-touristers" [in Havana 1959-60] cheering us on -- to go out and "liberate-the-toiling-masses" from ALL of those nasty-ass right-wing oligarch/police states, which were then "ruled" by serial mass murderers such as:

"Little Joe" Mobutu [Mobutu Sese Seko]; Somoza; Ydigoras Fuentes; "Papa Doc"; Stroesner; et al. !!

They even volunteered their own sons to join with us !! Seems that they had personal engagements elsewhere, otherwise they were "willing and able" to support-us-troops from some distant locale.

As for those "brave" Canuck troops -- I remember them from the Congo, and because they [and others] failed miserably -- we had to jump in with Belgian paratroopers to save the Stanleyville hostages from the cannibal "Simbas" [Ops/Dragon Rouge, Noir, & Vert] whilst the "brave canucks" hid out in the whorehouses of Leopoldville.

Show me ONE Canuck Op since Korea, which will remove them from the same "Halls of Infamy" -- which are now topped by the Dutch UN troopers, who coward-ass stood-by and permitted the Screbernica massacre of 3000+??!!

Now we hear nothing but sniveling & whining that the U.S. "dared" to topple just another right-wing [baathist] serial murdering regime. maybe the "ex-counselor" might remind some of the scribblers who have NOW aligned themselves with the oldest enemies of the civilized world, that:

[A] The "War Powers Act" does NOT require the President to even inform either the Congress, or the citizenry that: It might well "take military action" against ANY foreign nation, whether friend or foe. It is ONLY covert type actions which are covered by current law, and even there -- a limited few Congressional leaders [from select committees] are required to be briefed, and moreover. More importantly, that involves a "window-of-time" which covers: An either "after" or "before" briefing reference such operations !!;

The U.S. Constitution and Laws [repeatedly affirmed by SCOTUS] mandate that: Where it is ONLY an "armistice" which has been signed, this fails to carry the same weight as a compact, sponson, or a even a formal [and Senate confirmed] "Treaty".

Iraq remained a "lawful belligeent" even under the provisions of the extant UN charter, along with the 1977 Geneva Protocols. And moreover, this was the exact case with both Germany and Japan until the1952 "Final" peace treaties !!

That is why many of my fellow Marines still wear the "red, white, and black" occupation ribbon/medal on their blouses. A select few have the "Berlin Airlift Airplane" device attached thereto; and demonstrating that they were amongst those who risked their lives -- and saw militar/civilian brothers & sisters die -- saving the starving & huddled masses of our former enemies.

[C] Once again, I will repeat that: Saddam Hussein's butchers repeatedly violated both the UN sanctions and the armistice -- and not just by attacking the flyers who protected the Kurds and Shia folks in both of the "No Fly Zones"; and,

[D] Once again, while I am more than disappointed with "shrub" and his fellow bible-thumpers. However, it was the liberal/left-wing Pols who forced us out of The Levant ["purse-strings-wise-threats"] when "Ronny Ray-Gun" pissed his pants after the USMC B.L.T. barracks suicide BVIED bombing. And who gave us "Desert One", and Mogadishu -- whilst Monica hummed a tune on his flute ?? Oooops !! I forgot about his "Heroic" lanuching of a few million dollar$ worth of Tomahawk cruise missiles at a cluster of sheep and goat sheds.

Man, I bet that messed up "Ussama-ain't-been-Laid-in-how-long" and his al-Quaada ["Toilet"] troopers sex live for at least two weeks !!

Go back to your squatting upon thy throne, whilst your [knee-pad wearing] punk-rocker "3-Stooges" pay homage to their big Sister -- "Da Queen of the Village idiots"!!

Chairs,

GPH

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Why, pray tell, do you persist in posting the same url with that goddamned "Yahoo" pop-up?

Terry,

She is obviously enjoying it and the fact that it upsets people and is a distraction on this forum.

Ron

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You're right, Ron. I'm going to take your advice, which is what I intended to do last month. I can't believe John allows this itinerate pseudo-educator to continue to post her pure unadulterated B.S. Must be for the comedy relief, or something.

I think I'll cruise out onto the 101 and listen to the Jackson Browne CD I just burned, as I make my way to Ventura. It's too beautiful a day to waste, in paradise.

So did J. Edgar Hoover.

The only person to ever bring an innocent person to trial for conspiracy in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy was J. Edgar Hoover's pal, New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison

Need I say more?

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Why, pray tell, do you persist in posting the same url with that goddamned "Yahoo" pop-up? Don't you have anything else to show for your obvious lack of adequately researched material, but that worn out piece of tripe. You're the Yahoo, Ms. Linda Byrd.

This is the full-length version of my Lancer presentation. I will be re-writing it and correcting it from time to time. As it is, I believe it represents a significant breakthrough in the case and is well worth a look for anyone even marginally interested.

http://homepage.mac.com/bkohley/Menu18.html

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Pat, T.G. is absolutely right. You are no wannabe, you're a bona fide.

This is exceptionally good. And I, for one, am in awe of your contribution.

You make us proud of your presence here, on the Education Forum.

I would note that Lynne and I have independently come to the same conclusion about your being James Dobson. I think there is some scientific weight to that.

Anyone who does not independently verify that James Dobson and Stephen Turner are the same man are yins and do not know anything about the murder of Laci Peterson.

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I think we may be getting a little too psyched-out here, guys.

Anyhoola, what difference does it make now? Anyone disagreeing with Linda Byrd Foster Dulles will automatically be exiled to "yindom" on Main Street to feast on goats head soup. BFD.

And while we're at it, O.J.'s son, Jason did the deed, but it's my guess that it was really done by Goldman's connection in retaliation for his repeated fronting of more coke than he should have over-extended to Nicole. Especially after O.J. cut off her allowance. All those bruises she claimed to have sustained from O.J. were more than likely unintentionally self-inflicted in her own rage at him for refusing to be an enabler for her habit any longer. After attacking O.J. she probably fell down the stairs after he tried to block her blows. Ever get a good look at her friend, Fran Resnick, or better yet, her own sister, Denise? "And, she drove herself to madness with a silver spoon."

Just MHO, from what the buzz on the street was, at that time. Take it or leave it, FWIW.

"If he truly was concerned about KEEPING THE TRUTH BURIED......"

Is that what you meant to say? Having a little problem with the English language are we?

Dawn

no what she meant to say is obious to anyone who isnt a nixon lover

why doesnt anyone talk about this link--- BIG YIN!

your politically motivated posts tell me everything I need to know about you, Ms. Garrison

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"why doesnt anyone talk about this link--- BIG YIN!?"

Because, it's by DoorMat Wilson, honey. That's why.

That's right, I am a Yang.

Lisa Pease, who is evidently a Garrison groupie like you, is a yin.

Mr. Blakey, who evidently represents Hoover's FBI, is also a yin.

And as I said, if I was a prosecutor, I would charge Mr. Blakey with conspiracy to cover up the truth about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because i want dawn to call me her hero

According to Lisa Peace: "Professor Blakey’s hands shook slightly as he spoke to the group gathered for dinner on Saturday night. He confessed that he had trusted the CIA too much."

Not a word about Hoover's role in setting up the Patsy, Mr. Blakey?

No wonder his hand was shaking -he was pulling of a Garrison -blame the CIA to protect Hoover's FBI.

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"That's right, I am a Yang."

No. I wrote you off as a "Wang".

"According to Lisa Peace: "Professor Blakey’s hands shook slightly as he spoke to the group gathered for dinner on Saturday night. He confessed that he had trusted the CIA too much.""

That's right, and I'm sure Lisa is quite aware of the fact that Blakey was most likely trying to cover his ass by feigning incompetence. And, if for some vague reason, Blakey TRULY was not aware of Johannides' Dre and JMWAVE connections then he must have had idiots and imbeciles for advisors and counselors, who were in cahoots with the CIA all along, in their efforts to highjack that committee. Otherwise, he failed miserably and I have absolutely no sympathy for the ineptitude he exhibited on a scale such as that. So, quit attempting to paint a picture of all sympathy and light for Blakey coming from Lisa's point of view.

[quote name='Stephen Turner' date='Nov 25 2005, 03:31 PM' post='46419']

The famous comedy troop the Goons, are heard to sing on this record "OHHH ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong Idel I po, ying tong ying tong ying tong Idel I po, Idel I po,dig that crazy rhythm, driving me insane, dig that crazy rhythm oppps there goes my brain" This is clearly a reference to the Kennedy Assassination (and anyone who says otherwise is a disinformationist) the crazy rhythm clearly refers to Greers driving performance, Ying Tong is a small village in Vietnam, and the rest is self explanatory. Now given that this recording dates to 1958,the Goons are displaying clear foreknowledge of Nov 63, and should have been questioned about what they knew, The fact that Garrison (Spit) never once approached them obviously means he was a part of the cover-up. He later claimed in a Playboy interview never to have heard of them. A likely story.My Webpage

Stephen:

Have I ever told you I luv ya?!!

Dawn

[quote name='Stephen Turner' date='Nov 25 2005, 03:31 PM' post='46419']

The famous comedy troop the Goons, are heard to sing on this record "OHHH ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong Idel I po, ying tong ying tong ying tong Idel I po, Idel I po,dig that crazy rhythm, driving me insane, dig that crazy rhythm oppps there goes my brain" This is clearly a reference to the Kennedy Assassination (and anyone who says otherwise is a disinformationist) the crazy rhythm clearly refers to Greers driving performance, Ying Tong is a small village in Vietnam, and the rest is self explanatory. Now given that this recording dates to 1958,the Goons are displaying clear foreknowledge of Nov 63, and should have been questioned about what they knew, The fact that Garrison (Spit) never once approached them obviously means he was a part of the cover-up. He later claimed in a Playboy interview never to have heard of them. A likely story.My Webpage

Stephen:

Have I ever told you I luv ya?!!

This is the funniest thing I have read in a LONG time.

Dawn

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"OHHH ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong Idel I po, ying tong ying tong ying tong Idel I po, Idel I po,dig that crazy rhythm, driving me insane, dig that crazy rhythm oppps there goes my brain"

Does this have any relation to "Ooh, eeh, ooh, ah, ah, ting, tang, wallah, wallah, bing, bang"?

You and Stephen have a strange sense of humor, I think you are both "yin" when it comes to exposing the truth.

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Well, well, well. Look what we've got there. If we're all "yin" then you must be "wang".

Good,I'm glad you noticed. I usually have a point, but this time, I just posted somebody else's opinion about the Kennedy assassination. At least I'm still on topic -I guess that makes me a Yang -still.

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"I just posted somebody else's opinion about the Kennedy assassination. At least I'm still on topic -I guess that makes me a Yang -still."

Your may post what YOU think is YOUR opinion, but you happen to have the distinctive habit of quoting more disinformation artists than you can shake a stick at. Plus, you don't have the debating skills to make an impressive presentation, let alone a statement of any consequence relative to the actual truth of the matter.

Yet, you insist on coming on like some kind of high and mighty authority on the subject, when in reality you end up sounding like a blithering idiot. So, put a lid on it and can it, why don't you.

Well, if Owen is Jonah, you sound like Lucianne -I did a search on that one:

But it is significant that the person who forwarded Linda Tripp's tapes of Lewinsky to the FBI is a book agent and pseudo-journalist called Lucianne Goldberg, who in 1972 "told the McGovern campaign that she worked for the North American Newspaper Alliance." Goldberg's role was not simply that of a cut-out or messenger for Linda Tripp. On Jan. 22 she told the press "that she encouraged her friend Linda Tripp . . . to tape conversations with intern Monica Lewinsky." (All quotations are from an article in the January 23 1998, San Francisco Chronicle, p. A11.) She kept the tapes for Tripp and later turned them over to the FBI. If Tripp instigated Lewinsky, it would appear that Goldberg instigated Tripp.

Both Tripp and Goldberg are apparently Republicans. Tripp was one of only two holdovers from the Bush White House. Goldberg was exposed in 1973 as "a spy for Nixon while she traveled with the press corps" covering McGovern's 1972 campaign. It was at this time that she said she worked for NANA (North American Newspaper Alliance), and supplied an address for NANA which "is the same as her current residence" in Manhattan. Watergate investigators "said the Nixon campaign paid her $1,000 a week."

Not mentioned in the Chronicle story is the relevant fact in 1972, as today, Lucianne Goldberg was snooping for sex. She told the late Anthony Lukas (Nightmare, p. 161) that the Nixon people "were looking for really dirty stuff . . . who was sleeping with whom, what the Secret Service men were doing with the stewardesses, who was smoking pot on the plane -- that sort of thing." Her predecessor on this assignment was Seymour Freidin, who at the time was credibly accused by Jack Anderson of being a former CIA agent. (By the 1970s NANA was co-owned by Fortune Pope, whose brother Generoso was another self-confessed former CIA agent.)

Sixteen years later Lucianne Goldberg was involved in another sex and politics controversy, as book agent for an expose of Senator Kennedy's behavior at Chappaquidick. The book, by Leo Damore, was originally contracted for by Random House, which later backed out on the grounds that Damore failed to provide direct evidence for his accusations. Damore's book was eventually released by the right-wing publisher Henry Regnery.

Serious students of the JFK Assassination have long been interested in NANA, which supplied Priscilla Johnson (better known now as Priscilla McMillan) with the job (or, to some, cover) by which she worked in Moscow, and there interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald on the urging of U.S. Consul Snyder. After the assassination, Johnson developed a close relationship with Marina Oswald, in connection with a book contract originally arranged by C.D. Jackson of Life Magazine at the urging of Allen Dulles. In this connection, Johnson helped identify a much-disputed bus ticket stub, belatedly discovered by the two women in August 1964, which helped to place Oswald on a specific Mexican bus. (Earlier a now-discredited bus manifest had placed an "Oswld" on a different bus.) Priscilla Johnson's intelligence connections emerged more clearly after the CIA-assisted defection of Stalin's daughter Svetlana Allilueva to the United States. Svetlana stayed at first with Priscilla Johnson's family on Long Island, and Priscilla translated Svetlana's memoir.

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Last paragraph is interesting, it is even relevant to the plot to create the impression tht Patsy Oswald was

not a Patsy.

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"Well, if Owen is Jonah, you sound like Lucianne -I did a search on that one:

But it is significant that the person who forwarded Linda Tripp's tapes of Lewinsky to the FBI is a book agent and pseudo-journalist called Lucianne Goldberg, who in 1972 "told the McGovern campaign that she worked for the North American Newspaper Alliance." Goldberg's role was not simply that of a cut-out or messenger for Linda Tripp."

Sorry biotch, never heard of her. And besides, I'm a Socialist, you sorry mis-guided prig.

Well, if Owen is Jonah, you sound like Lucianne -I did a search on that one:

But it is significant that the person who forwarded Linda Tripp's tapes of Lewinsky to the FBI is a book agent and pseudo-journalist called Lucianne Goldberg, who in 1972 "told the McGovern campaign that she worked for the North American Newspaper Alliance." Goldberg's role was not simply that of a cut-out or messenger for Linda Tripp. On Jan. 22 she told the press "that she encouraged her friend Linda Tripp . . . to tape conversations with intern Monica Lewinsky." (All quotations are from an article in the January 23 1998, San Francisco Chronicle, p. A11.) She kept the tapes for Tripp and later turned them over to the FBI. If Tripp instigated Lewinsky, it would appear that Goldberg instigated Tripp.

Both Tripp and Goldberg are apparently Republicans. Tripp was one of only two holdovers from the Bush White House. Goldberg was exposed in 1973 as "a spy for Nixon while she traveled with the press corps" covering McGovern's 1972 campaign. It was at this time that she said she worked for NANA (North American Newspaper Alliance), and supplied an address for NANA which "is the same as her current residence" in Manhattan. Watergate investigators "said the Nixon campaign paid her $1,000 a week."

Not mentioned in the Chronicle story is the relevant fact in 1972, as today, Lucianne Goldberg was snooping for sex. She told the late Anthony Lukas (Nightmare, p. 161) that the Nixon people "were looking for really dirty stuff . . . who was sleeping with whom, what the Secret Service men were doing with the stewardesses, who was smoking pot on the plane -- that sort of thing." Her predecessor on this assignment was Seymour Freidin, who at the time was credibly accused by Jack Anderson of being a former CIA agent. (By the 1970s NANA was co-owned by Fortune Pope, whose brother Generoso was another self-confessed former CIA agent.)

Sixteen years later Lucianne Goldberg was involved in another sex and politics controversy, as book agent for an expose of Senator Kennedy's behavior at Chappaquidick. The book, by Leo Damore, was originally contracted for by Random House, which later backed out on the grounds that Damore failed to provide direct evidence for his accusations. Damore's book was eventually released by the right-wing publisher Henry Regnery.

Serious students of the JFK Assassination have long been interested in NANA, which supplied Priscilla Johnson (better known now as Priscilla McMillan) with the job (or, to some, cover) by which she worked in Moscow, and there interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald on the urging of U.S. Consul Snyder. After the assassination, Johnson developed a close relationship with Marina Oswald, in connection with a book contract originally arranged by C.D. Jackson of Life Magazine at the urging of Allen Dulles. In this connection, Johnson helped identify a much-disputed bus ticket stub, belatedly discovered by the two women in August 1964, which helped to place Oswald on a specific Mexican bus. (Earlier a now-discredited bus manifest had placed an "Oswld" on a different bus.) Priscilla Johnson's intelligence connections emerged more clearly after the CIA-assisted defection of Stalin's daughter Svetlana Allilueva to the United States. Svetlana stayed at first with Priscilla Johnson's family on Long Island, and Priscilla translated Svetlana's memoir.

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Last paragraph is interesting, it is even relevant to the plot to create the impression tht Patsy Oswald was

not a Patsy.

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And, your point is?

I know not every country celebrates thanksgiving and some celebrate a thanksgiving holiday on a different day.

Nonetheless, happy thanksgiving and a happy holiday season to all.

And in America tomorrow, we can all be thankful we are not turkeys!

(In one sense it is unfortunate the assassination occured so close to Thanksgiving. The Thanksgiving holiday in 1963 was certainly somber.)

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"(In one sense it is unfortunate the assassination occured so close to Thanksgiving. The Thanksgiving holiday in 1963 was certainly somber.)"

But T.G., can't you see Operation Mockingbird performing at its finest hour for all its Fascist patrons?

After watching a beloved leader get his brains blown to smithereens the Friday before Thanksgiving, the reinforcement of how powerless the minions really are to prevent a paradigm shift, such as this. And, then to be reminded of it, every single Thanksgiving Holiday, no matter how many times one may think it's become a forgotten event. It never will be, due to the great job they did of permanently etching the horror of this egregious act into the minds of the masses regardless of whether they wanted it, or not. It was totally intentional, a total exercise in psy-ops, you know that by now, don't you?

It is the first time I have been in the States during Thanksgiving. I did not realize everything would be shut. Even my hotel did not serve breakfast this morning. It seems capitalism takes a rest on Thanksgiving.

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"Even my hotel did not serve breakfast this morning. It seems capitalism takes a rest on Thanksgiving."

Well, that's Big "D" for you, John.

Hey, why didn't make a side trip to L.A.? You could be having dinner with Jeff, Steve Gaal, my boss, Carlos, and myself. We could've had you well-fed, and ready to ship out to L.A.X. [15 minutes down Sepulveda Blvd.] and on your way back to the U.K. feeling happy and well rested.

I am not hysterical Dawn.

I don't know why you are attacking me, but I'll make my agenda very clear, once and for all.

I think this world is hysterical. The Bush regime has convinced 42% of the American people that Sadaam Hussein was directly responsible for 911. We can't even get that right, and you think I have an agenda simply because I slam Garrison for keeping his intent hidden? Hardly. I think I have better things to do than to have an agenda that is connected to Jim Garrison. As far as I am concerned, Jim Garrison was an irrelevant con artist.

Why do I think this world is hysterical. Well, contrast President Reagan who was reveered and feared, to president Bush who is loathed and feared, because the US has abandoned the "us versus them" coalition and has adopted the philosophy that they can go it alone. Big difference.

I think the world's capacity to promote deception has never been greater, and that is what I call hysterical.

I have absolutely no agenda beyond sorting out the truth from the lies, and unfortunately, in a hysterical world, there are more lies than truth.

If you get the impression that I am anti-Bush, you are wrong. Bush is controlled by Chenie and Rummie, former Nixon allies, and that is perhaps the real problem here.

I think, in the near future, we are all going to look back to the Clinton, the Reagan and even the Bush SR. years with great nostalgia. Now that's what you call MASS HYSTERIA.

And I certainly hope my assessment here is wrong, because I am pro- North American, Canada and the US take each other for granted, and I think we are both weaker as a consequence.

Do you see any agenda there, because if I have one, I would like to know what it is?

My advice to Bush: he has to find a way to be reveered as well as feared, but I fear that it's not in his character to be able to pull that off, beyond his close fans that will love hime no matter what. So unfortunately, not having a clue to what the answer is, I really do not think that you can say i have an agenda -but feel free to define it for me -I'd like to know what my agenda is myself.

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"I am not hysterical Dawn.

I don't know why you are attacking me, but I'll make my agenda very clear, once and for all."

Because you're a pompous ass, and an idiot, that's why, Linda Byrd Foster Dulles.