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I was at the closed-door Congressional hearings in 1984. I heard the testimony with my own ears.
I detected KGB infiltration of the CIA during my initial contact with the CIA as a private citizen in 1977. I became aware of its extent over the next several years as I tried to expose it, and I also became aware of profound corruption within the CIA. Some of the CIA field agents that I interacted with filed intelligence reports about the KGB infiltration, but it did not yield any results as the KGB officers had seniority over the field agents that filed the reports. The KGB and renegade CIA officers implemented CIA operations targeting me to prevent me from exposing the infiltration and the corruption.
In 1984, Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, former CIA Director William Colby, and former Deputy Director Frank Carlucci all cooperated with me in exposing the KGB infiltration, and as such, I was at the closed-door Congressional hearings in 1984.
The operations targeting me were supposed to come to an end after that, but renegade CIA officers were intent on thriving on the corruption and it was of vital importance for them to make sure that the KGB infiltration and the corruption were never made public. As such, the operations targeting me have continued unabated, other than a few brief periods in 1984 when I got cooperation from the Reagan Administration and certain elements of the CIA.
Mr. Frank has an interesting connection to the CIA!
Jack White
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What happened to the plane that was hijacked if it didn't crash into the Pentagon?
I think there is more than ample evidence of a plane crashing into the Pentagon.
Those pictures touting that it was a missile could have easily been faked to give people something to chew on.
Do your homework before making unsupported statements.
You are clearly uninformed on this subject.
Jack White
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What about all the witnesses who observed a plane crashing into the Pentagon?
Do your homework before making unsupported statements.
You clearly have not read what witnesses said.
Jack White
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Jack,
In the second of the two photos, the collapsed wall (and therefore the hole) looks to be more in front of the firetruck on the right than the one on the left. That should therefore hold true for the first photo, in which the trucks appear to be in the same positions.
In any case, why would anyone fake a plane crash into a building and forget to make a hole? Once realizing their mistake ("Damn, we forgot to make a hole"), wouldn't they have to bump off all the firemen who arrived on those trucks and observed that Flight 77, or whatever hit the building, didn't leave any hole?
Isn't it much more likely that the top of the wall collapsed because there was a hole underneath it?
Do your homework before making unsupported statements.
Jack White
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When a company pays a search-engine to list its site on the first page it has to show this is some way. For example, Google places them on the right of the screen in a border.
One of the reasons that John McAdams website always appears first in all Google searches is because his website is the top ranking site in the dmoz directory (one of the most important factors in deciding the ranking system at Google). McAdams is the category editor of this site and places his own website at the top. However, you can see he does not use his position (as many do) to keep other good sites off the list. If you look down the list you will find it includes a large number of websites that support the conspiracy view: Assassination Science, Col. L. Fletcher Prouty Reference Site, History Matters, Fair Play, JFK Lancer, etc. My own JFK website was added within a few days of it being submitted.
The only conspiracy is that McAdams knows how second generation search-engine rankings work. He therefore gives plenty of links to related websites. As a result of this a lot of websites link to him, further increasing his ranking.
http://dmoz.org/Society/History/By_Region/.../Assassination/
Thanks for the information, which sounds authentic. This is contrary to information furnished by Rich, who told of being solicited by search engines to have a high listing, with costs determined by number of hits.
"Paid" listings are usually set apart at the top, in my observation. My impression was that order is supposed to be determined by number of hits and chronology, not by a person. Timeliness generates hits, so timely subjects rise to the top. If McAdams is able to move his own site to the top, something is wrong with the system. That implies popularity, importance and timeliness... which is untrue.
McAdams clearly is more interested in debunking than in JFK research. I have seen NO research attributed to him.
Jack
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Why? Because I disagree with some conspiracy arguments I am a defender of the lone-assasin viewpoint? You make it seem that McAdams is some disinformation agent for the CIA. He is not. Althought I disagree with the majority of his conclusions, I believe he has done away with many false conspiracy arguments that have been around for far too long.
There is no doubt that John McAdams plays a prominent role in the a search on the web for material on the assassination of John F. Kennedy you are likely to soon arrive on his website. True, he appears to believe in the lone-gunman theory. However, he mainly concentrates his attacks on the more outlandish theories concerning the JFK assassination. It could be argued that he is in fact doing serious researchers a favour by critically analysing these accounts. I have yet to see him try to this to people like Larry Hancock. Of course, he cannot, because Larry always provides evidence for his statements. My main criticism of McAdams is what he does not include on his website.
See also his links page. He is willing to publicize websites that take a pro-conspiracy view of the assassination.
McAdams pays to be listed first on search engines, according to Rich DellaRosa (who has had similar offers). Ask yourself, WHAT FINANCIAL SOURCE SUPPORTS a poor college professor to create an elaborate non-educational website and pay to have it listed?
On top of that, his university has found it necessary at times to reprimand him for his excesses. He features writings by questionable agents of disinformation. His specialty is superficial "debunking" of important information concerning Roscoe White, Jean Hill, Lee Bowers, Madeleine Brown, etc. His website, though apparently from Marquette, apparently is not sponsored by the school nor related to his area of study and teaching.
Marquette University is operated by the Jesuit Order, which has notorious ties to the CIA.
Jack
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No missile hit the Pentagon on Sept. 11. All the targets were hit by planes (but that doesn't mean the alleged hijackers were the ones flying the planes).
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/o....com/2002/03/14
Mr. Thirdeye...please do your homework before
posting such nonsense.
Jack White
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Members of this forum might be interested in Jim Marrs new book on 9/11. You can discuss it here:
I furnished Jim this illustration for his book. Also I furnished it
to Marcel (member of this forum) for his website. These
two photos are all that is needed to debunk the official story
that a giant 757 jet crashed into the Pentagon.
Jack
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I wouldn't call John McAdams a crackpot. Although I don't agree with most of his claims, I am in agreement with him on Roscoe White affair, the claims of Robert Murrow, the D.C. phone blackout, and the claims of L. Fletcher Prouty. And he does have some interesting photographs that are assassination related. But I do think he does offer some mistaken and outdated information.
Mr. Thirdeye...you have revealed yourself as a Posnerite. Anybody who disagrees with Fletcher Prouty is uninformed, in my opinion. Defending McAdams is defending the CIA.
Roscoe White had SOME involvement in 11-22, we just don't know for sure what it was.
Robert Morrow books contain some good and some bad information. Whether or not he was a disinformation agent is not known, but if McAdams is against him, that gives him more credibility.
Jack White
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Are you still friends with Gary Mack or have you grown apart in your beliefs?
Wim
Gary was "turned around" by "researcher" Dave Perry around 1990.
As a result, he was able to become "Curator" of The Sixth Floor Museum,
a high-paying job backed by the "establishment" promoting the "official
story" of the assassination. However, he still claims to believe in
the Acoustics Study and Badgeman...his two claims to fame. As a
result of his turnaround, he broke off all contact with me...a friend
of 15 years. Gary and Dave are now Posnerites.
Jack White
Hey Jack, maybe we should emphasize the points where we agree and agree to disagree where we do not!
Hey, Wim...It makes no difference to me who
agrees with me and who does not. I do all my
homework and turn in my papers to be graded.
Most readers grade my work A+.
Some are not qualified to judge.
Some have pecuniary agendas such as Holt,
Files and Baker.
Some are provocateurs.
I am not always right, but I will settle for 90%.
I cannot be concerned about who agrees and
who does not agree. My research stands on its
on. If I am wrong, I will admit it. My most recent
admission of error was that I always had considered
the Moorman Polaroid was GENUINE. I now recognize
that it has been tampered with.
I don't mind people disagreeing with me. I only
worry about the harm they do spreading false
beliefs.
Jack White
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(I accidentally attached this to the wrong forum. John, switch it
if you want....Jack)
Flight 93 Shootdown Pilot Identified
LetsRoll911.org
June 28 2004
Comment: Col. Don de Grand-pre first broke the story of the Happy
Hooligans and the shootdown of Flight 93 during his interview on
The Alex Jones Show back in February.
LetsRoll911.org has discovered that Fight 93 was definitely shot
down. (see attached letter below)
LetsRoll911.org has discovered the name of the pilot as well as all
other pertinent information regarding this incident;
"At precisely 0938 hours, an alarm was sounded at Langely Air
Force Base, and those whom were on call, drinking coffee, were
scrambled. Thus the 119th Fighter Wing was off for an intercept.
They, the Happy Hooligans, a unit of 3 F-16 aircraft, were
ordered to head toward Pennsylvania. At 0957 they spotted their
target; After confirmation orders were received, A one Major Rick
Gibney fired two sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and
destroyed it in mid flight at precisely 0958;
He was awarded a medal from the Governor one year later for his
heroic actions. As well as Decorated by Congress on 9/13/2001.
The Happy Hooligans were previously stationed in North Dakota,
and moved to Langley Air Force base some months before 911
occurred on a "Temporary assignment."
Major Rick Gibney did as he was ordered and did nothing criminal.
He was merely following orders, of which he had no choice. Please
do not harass this man or bother him for doing what his CO &
ultimately George Bush, ordered him to do. Major Rick Gibney has
no reason to feel guilty nor regret following orders. The fault
lies with his superiors, and a one, certain President George Bush
who planned and engineered 911. Please do not heap any kind of
abuse onto this man, a crack fighter pilot, one of the best in
our nation, for doing what he was trained and ordered to do. He
is a good man, honest and full of Integrity as well as unlimited
discipline. He is a patriot, and was lied to and deceived.
He had no way to know that this plane wasn't a 'hostile.' Nor
could he have. The fault lies with his superiors, and President
George 'Dubya' Bush.
Flight 93 has now been forever solved by truth, and honest
reporting and investigating, from letsroll911.org!
Major Rick Gibney, please do not read this as anything but the
truth that the world deserves to know as true history. You played
a part, but it was your superiors who deceived both you and
everyone else regarding Flight 93. I didn't relish printing your
name, as you're innocent of any evil doing. yet it's history, and
truth, and the world deserves to know.
And you're safer now that this truth is out there, than if it was
not.
But the world would appreciate an honest reply and statement
from you on this issue, but only when you're able and ready.
The source of this information, Mr. Gibney, was very careful to
point out your high quality of character and lack of malice or
malfeasance in these issues. Your integrity is no way is harmed by
these revelations, as you were ignorant of the total picture of
what was happening that day, and following orders as you were
trained to do in an emergency.
I apologize for having to print your name, but felt it necessary
for both the truth to come forward, and your own safety.
Major Rick Gibney..."Lets Roll"
Sincerely,
Phil Jayhan
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Are you still friends with Gary Mack or have you grown apart in your beliefs?
Wim
Gary was "turned around" by "researcher" Dave Perry around 1990.
As a result, he was able to become "Curator" of The Sixth Floor Museum,
a high-paying job backed by the "establishment" promoting the "official
story" of the assassination. However, he still claims to believe in
the Acoustics Study and Badgeman...his two claims to fame. As a
result of his turnaround, he broke off all contact with me...a friend
of 15 years. Gary and Dave are now Posnerites.
Jack White
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Then why does NOVA report otherwise?
"In 1976, yet another shape materialized from the shadows in a Moorman blowup in Robert Groden's book JFK: The Case for Conspiracy. From the same image, Texas researchers Gary Mack and Jack White presented a shape they called "Badgeman" in the 1988 documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy." That same year, at NOVA's request, technicians at MIT analyzed the shape, concluding it "took some imagination" to render it into a human figure. "
Mr. Thirdeye...quoting McAdams is akin to quoting Posner...meaningless.
The NOVA show was a fraud. And as I recall, McAdams has the facts
wrong as usual, though my memory is hazy. I would have to check
my NOVA tape. As I recall, it was POLAROID which was involved in the
analysis of the image, NOT MIT, and the work was done by two employees
"off the record" without authorization from the company, though NOVA
implied it was done by Polaroid itself. The employees got fired.
You will not win friends among real researchers by quoting the CIA's
propaganda website.
Among other McAdams errors. Mack and I discovered the Badgeman
image in 1982, not 1988, and it was not from a Groden book, but from
a high quality slide.
Jack White
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I think that technicians at MIT analyzed the shape and said that "it took some imagination" to render it into a human figure.
Mr. Thirdeye...you are clearly wrong.
It was Gary Mack and I who took the image to MIT for
analysis.
Their reaction was THE OPPOSITE of what you say.
I was there. What I say cannot be disputed on this.
Jack White
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Jack,
How do you account for the Old Tramp looking older than Hunt was in 1963?
I believe the picture of Hunt posted for comparison with the tramp is from the Watergate days, some 10 years after Dealey Plaza. There is a strong resemblance between the pictures, but that's due partly to Hunt having aged 10 years.
What kind of disguise could Hunt have been wearing to have an older face? And what would be the point of him looking like himself except older?
On Holt, there is similarly an age problem. Holt was too young in 1963 to be the tramp. Unless, of course, he borrowed some kind of disguise from Hunt to look older.
No one can say the age of persons in the photos.
IMO, there is no age discrepancy. The faces
match EXACTLY, regardless of age. Watergate
was less than 9 years after Dealey Plaza. An
adult's face does not change very much in 9
years. Hunt was an action spy who considered
himself a master of disguise (see Dita Beard).
Jack White
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Interesting that Mr. Dankbaar uses one of my illustrations to make his point.
Jack White
That is because part of your work I respect. Other parts I dismiss, like the thesis that Hunt was the old tramp. Also, I have not seen credible evidence for many of your claims of alteration in the Zapruder film. Some of those claims are easily debunked. But what I miss most are the motives of the conspirators? What purpose did it serve them to alter the heights of Zapruder and Sitzman for example? Or put Moorman and Hill on the street? Or make Mrs. Frantzen dissapear? I could imagine they would want to make Kennedy's head move in such a way, that it suggests only shots from the back. But I don't see that either. It goes back and to the left. All I see is evidence for the headshot coming from the grassy knoll. So if they didn't alter crucial things, why did they worry about Zapruder, Morrman and Mrs. Frantzen?
I believe your conviction that these theories are correct, is sincere. This is also why I don't beleive you are a disinformationalist, at least not on purpose. However, I regret that you cite your reputation and photographic skills, both of which you undoubtly have, to endorse ALL your work. Because, even if the intention is sincere, it's still disinformation.
Now, let me point out some logic arguments for Holt, not Hunt, being the tramp as John suggested I should:
- Holt has acknowledged he IS the older tramp. Hunt has denied it.
- Hunt was a higher ranking CIA officer. Holt was a mere (expendable) pawn. It is simply unlikely that Hunt would dress up as a worker, tramp, whatever, to participate in an assassination project like this. If caught, he would not even have plausible denial.
- Holt has identified the other two tramps as Harrelson and Montoya (Rogers), who prove to have remarkable resemblance with the other tramps, even to Harrelson's own admission. Your hunch for the tall tramp is Frank Sturgis if I am not mistaken. It is a no-brainer to show that Sturgis does not even look like the tall tramp.
- Holt, Harrelson and Rogers have been confirmed by renowned facial expert and Houston Police forensic artist Lois Gibson. She does this for a living and is the most respected person in the world for this line of work. You may be a photographic expert, but you're not a facial recognition expert.
www.jfkmurdersolved.com/lois1.htm
- Rogers has been confirmed from the tramp photos by at least two witnesses that knew him (Chuck Rolland of the Houston ice skaiting rink and a girlfriend who had dated him)
- Holt has (had) a multitude of documents to prove his confession, which by the way he says he made because all the principals were dead now and the american public had a right to know.
- There is a record for Harrelson that he admitted to involvement in the Kennedy assassasination. There is none for Sturgis.
- Woody Harrelson is pretty sensitive about the subject. James Richards could give us a story on that. Why would Woody be jumpy if the story about his father is so obviously fake?
Wim
PS: Here's a point of light: We do agree that the photographed tramps were not Doyle, Gedney and Abrams.
But what I miss most are the motives of the conspirators? What purpose did it serve them to alter the heights of Zapruder and Sitzman for example? Or put Moorman and Hill on the street? Or make Mrs. Frantzen dissapear? I could imagine they would want to make Kennedy's head move in such a way, that it suggests only shots from the back. But I don't see that either. It goes back and to the left. All I see is evidence for the headshot coming from the grassy knoll. So if they didn't alter crucial things, why did they worry about Zapruder, Morrman and Mrs. Frantzen?
ANSWER: INCOMPETENCE AND LACK OF TIME. THESE THINGS WERE NOT DONE
ON PURPOSE FOR ANY REASON...BUT BECAUSE SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE
QUICKLY. THEY PUT HILL AND MOORMAN ON THE GRASS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
KNOW THEY WERE IN THE STREET.
Now, let me point out some logic arguments for Holt, not Hunt, being the tramp as John suggested I should:
- Holt has acknowledged he IS the older tramp. Hunt has denied it.
IT IS LOGICAL THAT IF CIA OFFICER HUNT WAS IN THE PLAZA HE WOULD DENY IT.
- Hunt was a higher ranking CIA officer. Holt was a mere (expendable) pawn. It is simply unlikely that Hunt would dress up as a worker, tramp, whatever, to participate in an assassination project like this. If caught, he would not even have plausible denial.
HUNT CONSIDERED HIMSELF A MASTER OF DISGUISE.
- Holt has identified the other two tramps as Harrelson and Montoya (Rogers), who prove to have remarkable resemblance with the other tramps, even to Harrelson's own admission. Your hunch for the tall tramp is Frank Sturgis if I am not mistaken. It is a no-brainer to show that Sturgis does not even look like the tall tramp.
IT WAS I WHO IDENTIFIED HARRELSON AS THE TALL TRAMP IN 1982...LONG BEFORE
ANYONE EVER HEARD OF HOLT. IT WAS WEBERMAN/CANFIELD WHO IDENTIFIED
STURGIS AS A TRAMP, WHICH I HAVE ALWAYS REJECTED! HARRELSON IS THE TALL TRAMP.
- Holt, Harrelson and Rogers have been confirmed by renowned facial expert and Houston Police forensic artist Lois Gibson. She does this for a living and is the most respected person in the world for this line of work. You may be a photographic expert, but you're not a facial recognition expert.
GIBSON'S IS A NICE ARTIST, BUT TERRIBLE ON PHOTO RECOGNITION. USING MY WORK,
SHE CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED HARRELSON. BUT SHE IS WRONG ON HOLT AND ROGERS.
NEITHER IS CORRECT. YOU KNOW KNOTHING OF MY CREDENTIALS.
- Holt has (had) a multitude of documents to prove his confession, which by the way he says he made because all the principals were dead now and the american public had a right to know.
DOCUMENTS ARE EASILY FORGED. IN FACT, HOLT'S CHIEF CLAIM WAS THAT HE
WAS AN EXPERT DOCUMENT FORGER!
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PS: Here's a point of light: We do agree that the photographed tramps were not Doyle, Gedney and Abrams.
YOU ARE CORRECT. THOSE ARE FORGED DOCUMENTS.
JACK WHITE
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Okay, thanks. I have another question though.
I'm watching you right now in the documentary, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy." Do you still believe that the Badgeman figure is a real person in the photograph?
Mr. Thirdeye...here is a good enlargement of Badgeman
from my Duluth PP presentation. What do you think?
Jack White
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THANKS ANDREW!
I switched to MSIE and accessed the subject
on the first try.
I will no longer use Netscape. Tomorrow I will
get back to answering questions as I have time.
I still consider it odd that THESE TWO PAGES
ARE THE ONLY ONES I COULD NOT ACCESS on Netscape.
As a test, I just finished checking about a dozen
subjects on the forum which had multiple pages.
I was able to access pages 2, 3, 4, etc. with
no problem.
Fie on Netscape. I will stick to MSIE to access
this forum.
Thanks again!
Jack White
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Thanks, Andrew. I will switch to MSIE.
However, I cannot imagine why ONLY TWO PAGES
on the entire forum are blocked. I checked
other forum topics for two days, and COULD
ACCESS ALL PAGES in every topic except these
two. However, I am computer illiterate, so
I will try your advice. Maybe it will work.
Thanks.
Jack
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An excellent suggestion, Mr. Thirdeye. I suggested
the same thing to John. Of all the sites and pages
on the internet, these are the only two pages I
am unable to access.
Attached is a screen shot of what I get whenever
I attempt to go beyond page one of the "Questions"
topic. Page 2 will not open. Just blank space.
Thanks.
Jack White
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If I remember right, Danner was MAYOR of some city
in Florida before moving to Fort Worth.
He had a unique method of selling cars. His dealership
was on West Seventh just west of downtown across the river.
He hired dozens of very young (20s) competitive salesmen.
Each night (7-10) they would stand by the curb waving and
beckoning to passing cars. They were especially interested
in "popular" cars which had a high resale value to young
guys. When one of these cars pulled over to the curb,
TWO of the salesmen would talk to the driver and get
in a "bidding war" to buy the car, offering to pay the
driver "cash on the spot" for the car. Eventually one of
the "bidders" would "win". In addition to the instant cash,
the driver "won a new Ford AT COST", but did not have to
buy. The winning salesman would pull out CASH and take
possession of the car on the spot (pending title). The
dealership made money by selling the popular older models.
I presume that in the daytime, they operated like a normal
dealership at normal prices. Danner advertised the practice
on a local rock-n-roll station, and the traffic was so
heavy they had to have police directing traffic. They moved
lots of new Fords this way, since the stranded motorists
needed transportation. The HIGH VOLUME got Danner bigger
discounts from Ford. Suddenly, at the height of his
"success", Danner suddenly closed shop and moved to
Las Vegas, joining his FBI buddy Maheu at Hughes Corp.
Jack
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Do you have anything on Dick Danner, Maheu's former FBI
buddy, who became his right hand man at Hughes? Danner
worked in Fort Worth as a Ford dealer for a while before
joining Maheu in Las Vegas.
Do you have any info on the Hughes caper?
Jack White
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Someone seems to have installed a cookie on the JFK forum which prohibits JACK WHITE from opening or replying to certain subjects. I have asked John to investigate. There are now TWO TOPICS which I cannot open here in Texas, though others may be able to. I apologize for not answering questions, but I have not been able to see them.
This tactic was used against me on another JFK forum. It is known who was responsible for that attack.
Jack White
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Do a Google search for Robert Maheu. You may
be astonished.
Jack White
9/11 Conspiracies and JFK
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
Of course NOBODY knows what happened to the
people on the four flights...or it would be worldwide news.
However, there are several excellent theories on the
www if one visits all the websites. (Theorizing that
the US govt was involved)...the best theory is that
all 4 planes were NOT HIJACKED AT ALL, but directed
by radio THAT BECAUSE OF A NATIONAL EMERGENCY
they should land at an "unspecified" government airbase.
The pilots were also told to TURN OFF THEIR TRANSPONDERS.
Remember, all 4 planes were loaded by only one fourth
passenger capacity. At the govt airbase, the passengers
and crew were ALL LOADED INTO FLIGHT 93, which was
then the last plane airborne AND WAS SHOT DOWN OVER
PENNSYLVANIA. In the meantime, pilotless drones (Global
Hawks disguised as airliners) struck the WTC I and II and
the Pentagon. The Global Hawk has about the same
wingspan as a 757.
This is not my theory. But it is both plausible and possible.
See illustration.
Thanks for your response.
Jack White