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Here is a direct question for Mr. Jack White to answer -----
1) Jack, How long do you recall after the assassination did the James Altgens number six photograph showing the famous TSBD doorway in its background go out on the AP news wire?
Trask, p 318, says 1:03 pm 11-22-63 (three photos) on AP wire.
To answer your obvious next question about the Hill and Moorman
shadows, Altgens 6 does not preclude them stepping off the curb,
since the limo is still far away. I have never detected retouching
of this photo, but that does not mean some minor retouching did
not happen. However, if it was retouched, they forgot to retouch
the hole in the windshield. Thanks for your courtesy.
Jack White
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Jack,
You are turning the world upside down. When people disagree with some of your claims, you call them provocateurs, accuse them of unfair and personal attacks, bad behaviour etcetera, a thin excuse to avoid answering real and valid questions, like what conspiratoral purpose is served by putting Mary Moorman on the street or switching Mrs. Franzen for a "mystery woman".
Who do you think you are to judge who are good and bad members?
While I can acknowledge you have done some excellent photographical analysis, particularly on the backyard photographs, some of your alteration claims are indeed nutty.
When reasonable input is brought to him, James Fetzer can admit he needs to revise some of your work. But you simply seem unable to admit that you can be wrong.
While I do not always agree with Bill Miller, I have never found his behaviour less than impecable. So who is attacking who here? I share a similar experience with him on the forum of Mr. della Rosa's, whom you marvel so much. And I understand we're not the only ones. The common denominator seems to be not our behaviour but the mere fact we challlenge your claims.
You agreed to answer questions, but the tough ones you ignore.
Who do you think you are to play victim of unfair treatment, while at the same time you may accuse Judyth Baker of lying and making up "phoney claims" (your words). Who do you think you are to suggest it is right that her supporters are denied access from defending her against your very personal attacks. With a man of your grandness I must assume that the fact that she totally ruins your "Harvey and Lee/Marguerite A and B" theories, have nothing to do with your denouncements of her?
Think of that folks, there were not only 2 different Oswalds, according to Jack, there were two different mothers (Marguerites), as early as 7 years before the Kennedy assassination. And those who dare to challenge that are provocateurs and liars. Well, Jack, I am not going to sit by idle when you accuse what I consider extremely brave people, like Judyth Baker and Chauncey Holt, of liars and hoaxes. If you want to brand that as disruptive behaviour, so be it. I'm not falling for it, even if I would be the only one.
You probably don't want to see a tie between Ochsner and Oswald, but
other people might be interested:
http://www.conelrad.com/media/atomicmusic/....php?platter=19
Read the backflap of this 1964 longplayer sponsored by Ochsner's INCA, they are called "the truth tapes", implicating Lee as the lone assassin. What does the head of the american cancer society have to do with blaming Oswald as the lone psychopath nut ???? The answer is 1) a CANCER bioweapon and 2) covering his ass!
Wim
Wim is too sensitive. I did not accuse HIM of being a provocateur.
Indeed he occassionally (not this one) makes a sensible posting.
Rather, I now think he has been misled by some bad information just like
Joe West and Bob Vernon before him on the same subjects.
But I believe James Files is a provocateur.
Chauncey Holt was a provocateur.
Bill Miller is a provocateur.
Judyth Baker suffers from a vivid imagination.
...and Wim "purchased" the story of Files
from Bob Vernon, and he "sponsors" Baker,
so he is not unbiased. But...he is entitled to his
opinion.
And let's face it. John Armstrong's massive 10-year
research shows beyond doubt that there were TWO
LHOs and TWO Marguerites. And that Judyth's claims
are impossible. She briefly knew Harvey. She never
met Lee. Many of her claims are easily debunked by
the facts.
I ignore no question...just provocative personal attacks. I stand by
all of my published research despite such attacks. Jim Fetzer has
never asked me to revise ANY of my work because of mistakes.
He does believe Holt's claims, but that is the result of his speaking
with Holt for several days...and has NOTHING to do with any of
my research, so it is just that we disagree. He also thinks OJ
murdered Nicole and Ron...but the evidence points to his son
Jason, so we disagree on that too. But he has never disputed
my research.
I will answer reasonable questions which are not accompanied
by personal attacks, as I told Dr. Simkin when he requested
that I join his forum. Play by the rules and I will try to
answer questions...even "tough" ones. I care not whether anyone
agrees or disagrees. I just try to show the truth.
Jack White
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I have only been a member for a week...I am surprised at the factionism - although I WILL say, that since the age of 5, I have been fascinated by the subject. My mother NEVER cried, about ANYTHING, and this was the first time I had seen HER grieving, SOBBING (AND she was NOT a Kennedy fan!).
I certainly didn't KNOW what was going on at that time, I just remember the moment and event being INDELIBLY impressed upon my mind FOREVER. Then on one BRIGHT June morning in 1968, school had just gotten out for the summer, I came downstairs, and my mother was crying again (NEVER HAPPENS, trust ME!); she said, and I quote: "THE godd*mn b*stards did it again!!" and threw the morning paper on the table - RFK shot and killed at the Convention...headlines as "big as a HOUSE..."
I followed what PUBLIC aspects (regarding the JFK assassination) which were "allowed" to come to light via the newspapers' "tightly controlled coverage" of the "Warren Commission's Investigation" - and have since READ books and THOUGHT (proleptically, I might add!) about the whole assassination, the theories, possible conspiracies or conspiratorial factions, viewed what evidence and photos which the Misters Livingstone and Groden could convey in their book: "High Treason" and I respect the fact that THEIRS was NOT the ONLY monumental undertaking about this subject.
IF there are ANY former CIA agents, Secret Service people, and the like...(from that specific era)... who are willing "tell what they know," they should DO IT HERE (and could do so in RELATIVE ANONYMITY!) ..enlighten us, PLEASE? It would be far more porductive that the personal "salvos" which I see being "fired" herein...am I incorrect?
I came here for EDUCATION, and information, NOT to witness or participate in the
interpersonal attacks and factionary divisivism...Lily...don't despair. There are only two or three provocateurs on
this otherwise fine website who are causing all the stink. Do not
pay any attention to them. Virtually all their postings lie or twist
the truth. You will soon recognize who they are. They only deal in
personal attacks. Just ignore them. There are many good members
here, most of whom also post on JFKresearch Forum run by Rich
DellaRosa. You may want to check it out. Rich does not allow
such behavior.
Jack White
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I do think your right Jack - appears a few of these dudes are the European version of "Wee Willie Miller and the Wannabees". I'll be gone soon -- they can prop each other up with their endless debates about nonsense... Wonder how much Mr. Peter's paid for the franchise :-)
David Healy
Mr. Healy - My last name is Peters - not Peter's. Your inablity to keep things straight leaves a lot to be desired. I might also add that I'm not impressed with your desire to place nationalities with opinions and observations. Of all the critiques I have read on the alteration claims, I have not once seen where an alterationist' nationality was mentioned. If you or Mr. White would just address the alteration claims, I am sure the purpose of this forum will be better served.
As for something Mr. White said -
They present NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH but rely on quoting others who have been discredited. They make absurd and outlandish claims without offering proof.In the future, Mr. White might want to think about the things he says a little better. Instead of addressing Miller's critque of his photo and film alteration claims - he'll make a statement like the one I just quoted him as saying. I believe Miller was awarded the Mary Ferrell Award this past year in Dallas for his discovery of new evidence in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, so Mr. White's statement, like his alteration claims, was not very accurate. I understand that the forum administrator is working on getting my attachment capabilities up and going again and when he does ... I will be more than happy to discuss the alteration evidence claims with you and anyone else so maybe we can all learn something together. Hopefully we'll get past the 'everything is fake so why bother' mentality and start trying to better understand how these conclusions were reached in the first place by those for and against them.
Bill Miller's absurd claims were disposed of TWO YEARS AGO
on JFKresearch. He became so abusive that Rich was forced
to banish him. Except for the fact that Mr. Peters posts
from Europe, I might suspect that he is Miller himself. I am
not about to repeat two-year old arguments for someone
who is behind the times, and who refuses to look at the
evidence.
Jack White
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No disresrespect to John Simkin, who seems to be a wonderful fellow... but after reading JFK postings on this forum for several weeks now, it is obvious that the forum has been hijacked by several provocateurs who make the MAJORITY of the postings, most of them nonsensical. These characters seem to be straight from central casting at Warner Brothers LOONY TOONS department. I have seen this same disruptive pattern many times before. One can only conclude that this behavior is initiated by some organized entity with a motive for protecting the official myth of JFK's death. The modus operandi is identical each time. They present NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH but rely on quoting others who have been discredited. They make absurd and outlandish claims without offering proof. Dumber than Elmer Fudd.
Jack White
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dgh02: WHY? You a US taxpayer? Listen Mr. Peter's, may come as a surprise to you, one can't claim they/he/she says the Z-film is altered, any more than YOU can say no it's not - any more than Gary, Roland Zavada, Josiah Thompson, David Blackburst and all the rest can. Why? No one has tested it, WHY?
The thing is, if the Zapruder is altered, it hasn't been shown through those poorly thought out claims that I started referencing from TGZFH early on in this thread. Gary Mack has said that no one has produced one expert to support the assassination films being altered. If Gary is not right, then by all means tell us who they are?
BTW - Here is some information on the Nix film that will interest about anyone but a Zapruder film alteraionist ...
Oriville Nix had seen in the newspaper on the Tuesday or Wednesday following the assassination prints from the Zapruder film. Orville still had his film in the camera and the following Saturday he finishied shooting the Dealey Plaza roll of film at a football game before having it developed. Orville also had a copy of his film made at that time. Orville then sold his original copy to UPI a week or two later, but Orville kept the 1st generation copy with him. People that say the Nix or Zapruder film is altered don't understand or want to understand that when the Zapruder frames started getting into the public domain - no one knew if all the films had been made known yet. Any alteration could have easily been exposed as part of a conspiracy if a late comer had then made his or her film known. Nix is a good example of this because it wasn't until after 11/30/63 that he had his film being developed and duplicated. Now even if and when the original Nix film vanished - Orville still had with him the copy he had made before UPI or the Government knew he even took a film of the assassination. That copy remained with the Nix family until the early 90's. That copy showed everything the same way that the other films and photos of the assassination had done, thus there was no possible alteration of the Zapruder film or the Nix film would have exposed it as such. This information came from Gary Mack via Gayle Nix, Orville's granddaughter.
This is misinformation. Orville Nix himself himself said that his film
had been changed. Additionally, the original film was retained by the
government and never returned. Gayle Nix SUED TO GET THE FILM
BACK, but was given only a copy. TO SUBSTANTIATE WHAT MACK
CLAIMS, ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS PRODUCE THE CAMERA ORIGINAL
WITH THE FOOTBALL GAME ON IT and let it be tested for authenticity.
They cannot, or they would have.
Jack
Gayle Nix Jackson was one of the JFK "witnesses" who presented a
talk and answered questions at Jim Marrs' ADVANCED JFK STUDY GROUP
in the 80s. I emailed Jim asking what his remembrances of her appearances
were. Here is Jim's reply.
QUOTE:
Howdy Jack,
My recollection is the same as yours. I remember that Gayle said she was
trying to get the original film back. And I know for certain, since it is
covered in the Mark Lane documentary, that Orville Nix claimed the film
returned to him was not the same film he took. He specifically said that
certain frames were missing. Is Gayle still around? Can you check with her
about all this?
Best regards,
Jim
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Jack
I have just doubled the max. file upload allowed for members. I will however have to monitor this very closely as space costs money!
It will however not be sufficient to cope with the large images you are trying to upload.
I think you options are either to compress your images in photo editor (you might also consider reducing the number of colours), or taking John up on his offer to publish your images in his own webspace and hyperlink to them.
Thanks, Andy. I will be posting some test images to see what works and what does not. I do not have PHOTO EDITOR for compressing. I know nothing about HYPERLINK. I am a photoanalyst and typist. I know nothing about computers except how to drive one. You are asking that I change the sparkplugs, and I do not know how to find them. I appreciate that you now will allow 200K images, which is the same as JFKresearch, so may I assume that any image I can post there will work here? Can you tell me how 200K compares to 2MB? Most of my images are around 2MB and they work on JFKresearch. My imaging program gives images in megabytes, not kilobytes. A few days ago, I tried to post an image which was 1.6MB, and it was rejected. How does 1.6MB compare to 200K?
The reason John Simkin invited me to join this forum is to share my PHOTO RESEARCH. If I cannot post my images here, my input is limited.
Thanks.
Jack White
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dgh02: WHY? You a US taxpayer? Listen Mr. Peter's, may come as a surprise to you, one can't claim they/he/she says the Z-film is altered, any more than YOU can say no it's not - any more than Gary, Roland Zavada, Josiah Thompson, David Blackburst and all the rest can. Why? No one has tested it, WHY?
The thing is, if the Zapruder is altered, it hasn't been shown through those poorly thought out claims that I started referencing from TGZFH early on in this thread. Gary Mack has said that no one has produced one expert to support the assassination films being altered. If Gary is not right, then by all means tell us who they are?
BTW - Here is some information on the Nix film that will interest about anyone but a Zapruder film alteraionist ...
Oriville Nix had seen in the newspaper on the Tuesday or Wednesday following the assassination prints from the Zapruder film. Orville still had his film in the camera and the following Saturday he finishied shooting the Dealey Plaza roll of film at a football game before having it developed. Orville also had a copy of his film made at that time. Orville then sold his original copy to UPI a week or two later, but Orville kept the 1st generation copy with him. People that say the Nix or Zapruder film is altered don't understand or want to understand that when the Zapruder frames started getting into the public domain - no one knew if all the films had been made known yet. Any alteration could have easily been exposed as part of a conspiracy if a late comer had then made his or her film known. Nix is a good example of this because it wasn't until after 11/30/63 that he had his film being developed and duplicated. Now even if and when the original Nix film vanished - Orville still had with him the copy he had made before UPI or the Government knew he even took a film of the assassination. That copy remained with the Nix family until the early 90's. That copy showed everything the same way that the other films and photos of the assassination had done, thus there was no possible alteration of the Zapruder film or the Nix film would have exposed it as such. This information came from Gary Mack via Gayle Nix, Orville's granddaughter.
This is misinformation. Orville Nix himself himself said that his film
had been changed. Additionally, the original film was retained by the
government and never returned. Gayle Nix SUED TO GET THE FILM
BACK, but was given only a copy. TO SUBSTANTIATE WHAT MACK
CLAIMS, ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS PRODUCE THE CAMERA ORIGINAL
WITH THE FOOTBALL GAME ON IT and let it be tested for authenticity.
They cannot, or they would have.
Jack
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Part 15: Who Killed JFK?
Soon after I established my website on the JFK assassination I began receiving emails from people who I had written about. This is not very surprising. It is common for people to type in their names into a Google search-engine. As a result of the Google ranking-system, they soon find their way to my web page on them. This results in a period of negotiation. They are concerned about what I have written. They are also usually unhappy with my sources section where I quote what others have said about them. Although I am not willing to remove these sources, I do offer these people the right of reply. These people have provided me with a great deal of information (including documents and photographs).
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm
As well as witnesses and suspects, I have also been contacted by researchers, historians and members of the secret services. These people have provided me with a great deal of information about the case. So also have friends and relatives of people involved in the case who are now dead.
Are they telling me the truth? No, not all of them. But some are. After reading what they have had to say, I have come to the following conclusion.
I believe the assassination of JFK was organized by David Morales, a CIA agent based in Miami. Morales recruited people who had worked for him in anti-Castro operations (1960-63). This included people from Alpha 66 and Interpen. Those named include John Martino, Herminio Diaz Garcia, Eladio del Valle, Tony Cuesta, Virgilio Gonzalez, Eugenio Martinez, Felipe Vidal Santiago, Roy Hargraves, Steve Wilson, Gerry Hemming and Rip Robertson (biographies of all these men are on my website).
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm
This team not only killed JFK, they also eliminated some important witnesses. They also planted information that implicated others in the conspiracy. The plotters did this for two reasons: (1) To guarantee that these people implicated would do all they could to cover up the crime. (2) To create confusion for those investigating the crime.
For example, it was arranged for Mac Wallace to be in Dallas on 22nd November, 1963. After the assassination an unidentified fingerprint at the "sniper's nest" in the Texas Book Depository. It was not until 1998 that this fingerprint was discovered to have belonged to Wallace. As I said earlier, Wallace was the contract killer of the people associated with LBJ.
The plotters also left evidence around that implicated the CIA, the FBI and the Secret Service. All three organizations therefore took part in the cover up. They also implicated the Mafia by arranging for some of those who had part of Executive Action to be in Dallas that day. This strategy was very successful and since the 1970s the Mafia has been seen as the organizers of the assassination. In recent years, evidence has emerged that the people surrounding LBJ were also responsible.
There has also been evidence discovered linking the assassination to General Walker and the John Birch Society in Texas. Other information linked the plot to the American Communist Party and the Civil Rights Movement. Also implicated were the governments of the Soviet Union and Cuba. This has resulted in hundreds of books written about the case arguing strongly for different people being responsible for the assassination.
It needs to be pointed out that this was not a CIA operation. Morales was employed by someone else to carry out this task. Morales died in 1978 and does not appear to have talked. Some of my informants believe that Morales was recruited by his boss at the CIA, David Attlee Phillips. Personally, I think this is unlikely.
Phillips testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in April, 1978. He denied being involved in the assassination. Of course, he would say that wouldn’t he. However, just before his death Phillips told Kevin Walsh, an investigator with the House Select Committee on Assassinations: "My final take on the assassination is there was a conspiracy, likely including American intelligence officers." Would he have said that if he was part of the plot?
David Atlee Phillips died of cancer on 7th July, 1988. He left behind an unpublished manuscript. The novel is about a CIA officer who lived in Mexico City. In the novel the character states: "I was one of those officers who handled Lee Harvey Oswald... We gave him the mission of killing Fidel Castro in Cuba... I don't know why he killed Kennedy. But I do know he used precisely the plan we had devised against Castro. Thus the CIA did not anticipate the president's assassination, but it was responsible for it. I share that guilt."
Phillips is explaining in the novel what really happened. However, I suspect he knew that Morales organized the assassination. He probably knew who ordered the assassination. But like Morales, he never talked.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKphillips.htm
Who then did order the assassination? The best way of finding an answer to this question is to look closely at the people and organisations implicated by the team run by David Morales. In theory, they can be eliminated from the investigation.
Another clue concerns what happened after the assassination. Those involved believed that the reason for this plot was that after the assassination, LBJ would order the invasion of Cuba. In fact, this was never the objective. It was part of the overall conspiracy to keep Castro in power. The presence of a communist state so close to the United States helped to reinforce the communist threat and the need for massive arms spending.
The Cubans would obviously feel betrayed when they realised Castro would not be toppled. Those Cubans who knew anything about the assassination had to be got rid of. In the period after the assassination of JFK the Cubans involved were sent on missions to Cuba where they were killed. (They were probably set up). This is what happened to Cuesta. While in captivity he realised what had happened. They was why he decided to tell Fabian Escalante what happened.
A few Cubans remained. Some of these were the victims of hit men (who had no idea why they were killing them). Some managed to survive. Why? Maybe because they took out insurance. They let it be known that they had documented what happened. This information has been placed with lawyers, solicitors, etc., only to be opened in event of a suspicious death.
Let us return to the first source I provided in this seminar. I believe it was the Military Industrial Complex that ordered the assassination of JFK. It was a great success. It achieved all its objectives. Rather than the end of the Cold War they got the Vietnam War and a rapid increase in arms spending.
What was the name of the man who ordered it? My belief it was John McCone, the Military Industrial Complex’s representative in government.
John... mostly excellent, but I disagree on several points:
ALLEN DULLES, McCone's predecessor, was likely the partner of LBJ and Hoover at the top of the plot. Dulles had been FIRED BY JFK, and had a personal motive. IMO, Dulles-LBJ-Hoover-Nixon topped the coup hierarchy. McCone was a NEWCOMER to the scene.
DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS was recruited by Dulles, along with E. Howard Hunt, to handle the operational details. Phillips had long been a close associate of Dulles, not McCone. Phillips, Hunt and Dulles were involved in the Cuban operation, not McCone. Phillips was the agency controller of LHO, and likely even recruited him as a child (both were from the same neighborhood in Fort Worth. (see pages 95-96 TGZFH).
The Phillips novel manuscript was likely a ploy to DISTANCE HIMSELF from the assassination.
Jack
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I am at the Library of Congress in Washington DC. I just read through the Dallas Morning News for the week that Kennedy was killed.
On Monday the Dallas Morning News simply speculated that the motorcade would travel down Main.
On Wednesday the Dallas Morning News stated that it would indeed travel straight down Main.
On Thursday, November 21, 1963, the Dallas Morning News had a map with the motorcade going straight down Main and not making any turns.
Mayor Earl Cabell of Dallas was the brother of Air Force General C.P. Cabell, who was Allen Dulles’s Deputy Director at the CIA.
Mayor Earl Cabell’s Administration made a change in the route that President Kennedy’s motorcade would take. Instead of traveling straight down Main through the middle of Dealey Plaza, which was the route published in the Dallas Morning News on November 21, the motorcade turned right on Houston and went over to the Texas School Book Depository at Elm and Houston. It then turned left and headed down Elm. President Kennedy was shot and killed on Elm.
Someone on the forum had said that the motorcade route was not changed, and that it was said all that week that it would be going down Houston and then Elm street.
The motorcade route was changed at the last hour to both make the assassination possible and to be able to accuse Oswald.
No, the route was planned in advance. The evidence for this changed route theory is a small map on the cover of the Dallas Morning News. The reason it doesn't show the detour through Elm Street is because the map is so small and hasn't been drawn to scale. The previous evening, the Dallas Times-Herald ran a much larger map which showed the real motorcade route.
You are correct, Mr. Thirdeye. The logical (and very little longer) route
to the Trade Mart was Main to Industrial to Trade Mart. IT WAS TOTALLY
ILLOGICAL TO BLOCK STEMMONS FREEWAY DURING THE NOON HOUR,
WHICH CAUSED A TRAFFIC JAM FOR MANY MILES. The myth of the
changed route MAP is one of the few things McAdams has correct.
Jack White
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I think I have just proved by logging on as Alison in the above message that this board does allow the attaching of photo images of an acceptable of an acceptable size and quality. Attachments of up to 200K are allowed to all members.
Rather nice photo of Nico and myself hard at work don't you think?
Thanks, Andy. I tried to post two different images last week. One was 1.8mb and one was 1.6mb. Both were rejected by the software as too large. The average image I wish to post is 2mb.
I am very illiterate in computer language. I know that K=1024 bytes and that MB=1,048,576 bytes.
You say the forum limit is 200K, or 204,800 bytes...which is really quite tiny, right??? My Mac only gives large image sizes in MEGABYTES, not kilobytes, so I have no way to judge whether any of my images are acceptable. On the JFKresearch forum, where I have posted images for many years, the max is 2mb, which is approximately 10x8 in dimensions. Can you tell the approximate dimensions of 200K images? I have thousands of images of my studies regarding JFK, the faked Apollo moon photos, and my 911 hoax studies. All of them average around 2mb. Better yet, please post any image that represents the MAXIMUM SIZE allowed, so I have a visual guide of approximate size. A picture is worth 1000 words to me, as I am lousy in computer math, because I don't know the terminology.
I get K and MB confused, and do not know how to convert one to the other. How does 200K compare to 2MB?
Thanks.
Jack White
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I cannot take time to REDO analysis images just to post them here. Sorry.
Jack White
Mr. White - it takes about 15 to 30 seconds to open your file in PhotoShop - duplicate the file - then go to 'image size' and lower the duplicate file. Once you have posted the smaller file - you can then delete the smaller duplicate file off your system while still keeping your opriginal image file. I have not checked to see if I can post photos examples today, but that is the way I was doing it before the site had problems with attachments.
I know the mechanics of reducing an image. However, all type fonts become distorted when reduced. Also, many thing in my analyses must be seen AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE. At small sizes, they are not effective.
Jack
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John... A REALLY EXCELLENT SERIES! Your succint summaries of these events are a great introduction to interest newcomers (students) to the mysteries of the Cold War and JFK assassination. Great analysis and exposition!
Jack White
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John Simkin tells me that I can no longer post any of my photoanalysis here because the new forum software does not allow large images. He says I can post a link to a website where the images are stored. I do not have such a website. I have no problem posting my images at JFKresearch, which has a 200mb size limit.
All of my analysis is done at a useful full screen size, or approximately 10x8. Much of what I have to show can only be shown in a large size, therefore my participation on this forum is severly limited. I cannot take time to REDO analysis images just to post them here. Sorry.
Jack White
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This is mostly for Jack White. How could the forgers of the photos hide the deception so tampering would not be evident under grain structure analysis?
"Experts" of many kinds can be hired to haul out
mystical scientific mumbo-jumbo to dazzle and baffle
the layman. Grain structure analysis is meaningless
without knowing many other factors:
1. grain of original negative
2. grain of original print
3. if a composite, what size was the original
4. if a composite, was it printed slightly out of focus to eliminate grain
5. grain of copy negative
6. was copy shot slightly out of focus to diminish grain
7. number of generations of grain present
8. size of final photocopy print
9. grain of final print, etc.
Mr. Thirdeye...it is easy to pull wool over the eyes of those who
do not know the right questions to ask.
Jack White
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Thank you, Tony! I am so glad to see that OTHERS can see through the "Illusions" - I personally use "allusions" and I take the time to explain HOW I came to my POV - your view seems well-thought out and...I think I might be able to add a LOT more information for the NEWBIES...
For YEARS, I've "felt" that the dis-"ILLUSIONISTS" have mis-directed the public's attention for their little "magic" trick OF KILLING A PRESIDENT on NATIONAL TV (and GETTING AWAY with it!). The CENTRAL thread of the Kennedy assassination is NOT about the Anti-Castro Cubans OR the "alleged" MAFIA 'connexion'
The NEXUS of this whole issue boils down to WHO knew WHAT and WHO DID what and WHEN, and HOW...I've added my WHY?? It is intertwined with my whole mind-set and particular way of "looking at and perceiving things" - may I?
...Perhaps my little rant (below / which follows:) will at least encourage people to investigate further, and GET THE answers to the following questions for themselves....
1. WHO STOOD TO GAIN THE MOST? --> JOHNSON
2. WHERE did the assassination HAPPEN? -->Dallas, TEXAS - Johnson's home state...
3. WHEN did it Happen? --> ONLY 2 months AFTER JFK had signed an Executive Order (as THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the military, and as ONE WHO ACTUALLY SERVED a FULL tour of duty on ACTIVE STATUS!): ORDERING the withdrawal of U.S. Military personnel from Viet Nam and South East Asia, altogether....at that time, the U.S. had approximately 125,000 military personnel stationed in SE Asia/VN - JFK had ORDERED the troops home; --> OMG!!! The Military-Industrial Complex "...HAD to DO something" about this 'young, charismatic, idealistic, possibly naive, UPSTART'..." who actually PROMOTED A PEACEFUL resolution to problems (I BELIEVE that he HAD LEARNED a HUGE lesson with the 'Bay of Pigs' disaster-piece, and HE DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT: he set about rectifying the situation in Viet Nam...) Because Viet Nam was a battle that had raged in and around the MEKONG DELTA for over 3,000 years - "whoever CONTROLS the waterways, controls the COMMERCE, controls the DELTA!"... and...JFK's thoughts: "...since WE COULDN'T WIN IT, let's not stay in it...this crap has been going on 'over there' for 3,000 years, it's an internal domestic problem - let THEM duke it out!" THAT is what I feel was JFK's reasoning behind his decision and the resultant Executive Order...which BTW, was ESSENTIALLY the FIRST thing Johnson did as President: he rescinded JFK's Exec Order, and then issued HIS OWN exec Order....see below....
4. Oswald WAS a "patsy" - The CIA set up EVERYTHING that Oswald "supposedly" touched, said, or DID...and OSWALD KNEW IT! He was set-up to "take the fall"; Garrison's research in New Orleans was CORRECT, and his assumptions based upon the evidence and FACTS are THERE!
**** "abrase los ojos...OPEN YOUR EYES..." -"WAKE UP, Donnie"... ****
5. The Ivy League schools (Harvard, Yale and M.I.T., to name JUST a FEW) have always been CIA & FBI "recruiting grounds" - READ the book: "The CIA and Mind Control - The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" by JOHN MARKS - Mr. Marks culled through 16,000 pages of CIA internal documents, which he obtained (and so can YOU!) through the "Freedom Of [dis-] Information Act " (FoIA). According to the back of the book "blurb", Mr. Marks had then (published in 1980) '"...most recently taught a course on the secret history of the behavioral sciences at HARVARD's Institute of Politics." If anyone SHOULD know what went on in the CIA under the "directorship" of Allan Dulles all the way through George BUSH Sr. - it would be Mr. Marks...I should think he would be a pretty reliable authority on the subject matter, hence my reliance upon his "pre-sifted" data....
6. TO QUOTE: "...History is WRITTEN by the men who have hanged heroes..." and "....THOSE WHO DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY, are condemned to repeat it..." (ECHO ON) repeat it, repeat it, repeat it, repeat it - REAP, EAT IT!"
Feel free to read / listen on if you would like to see / hear how I came to "justify" and verify my views on the subject of the Kennedy assassination....
July 6, 2004 NOTES FOR: JUNE 18th Radio Show - Proposed theme:
GLOBAL POLY-"TICKS" ---> giving us a form of "social Lyme disease" -
SOMBER ANNOUNCER VOICE: "Are YOU infected with 'affected apathy'??? WHO CARES.......???"
Good Morning, _________to all of our listeners - LISTENERS as well as HEARERS -- and Hearers as well as "Do-ers"~ Welcome to "Something Different..."
From: Seattle, WA USA.
........here are some of MY thoughts following “Independence Day” 2004….
please have a pen and paper handy to jot down any references and make notes: this class is just beginning....thank you for making us part of YOUR Sunday....
I was responding to a questionnaire in which I was asked to “vote” about “who I believe was behind” the JFK assassination…some of the choices were
1. The Military-Industrial Complex – BY FAR, the vote leader!
2. The “right-wing” – as in the John Birch society, as well as a few others;
3. The “left-wing” – “anti-Castro Cubans,” who would somehow “benefit;”
My OWN thoughts about which...are OUR topic of conversation today.…This is solely my own research and my “justification” for MY "vote:” that it was the "Military-Industrial Complex” with Lyndon Baines Johnson as the “deus ex machina” BEHIND the Kennedy Assassination….
My name is Lily, and I have recently watched Oliver Stone's production of "JFK" - This is a fantastic movie about the assassination of President Kennedy. Mr. Stone's FILM was based upon a couple of books, which I have NOT YET read (but am planning on doing so - ASAP). I have however read the book: "High Treason" by Livingstone and Groden. I feel that Oliver Stone's movie utilized the BEST of the ALL of the available materials about the Kennedy assassination, even though THIS particular book ("High Treason") was not listed by name in the credits of the movie (…not that I saw, anyway…); a lot of the "theories" are the same, if NOT SIMILAR in nature... highly recommended reading - and I understand that Oliver Stone possibly couldn't POINT a FINGER the the direction in which we'll be heading today - get out the "compasses", folks, we're going "orienteering"!
I DO believe that it was the Military-Industrial complex, since it is a known FACT that President John F. Kennedy had signed his Executive Order in SEPTEMBER 1963, ordering the withdrawal of the U.S. military presence in Viet Nam, gradually over a two year time-period. (( “....WE can’t be having a ‘peaceful solution’ to a BIG problem now CAN WE...?” asked the M-I.C. “Bosses” among themselves…))
I also believe, and am still seeking confirmation of those FACTS which are available, that Lyndon Johnson was behind the WHOLE THING, just as was the "man behind the curtain" in the "Wizard of Oz," pretending to BE “OZ…the great and powerful!”
----> CUE SONG
MY GENERATION'S “OZ” (Ozzy Osborn), called it as HE saw it: (MUSIC: break 1)
(PLAY: Black Sabbath’s “War Pigs” )
“Generals gathered in their masses...
Just like Witches at Black Masses
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Play balance of song…..…(song ending):
“No more war pigs have the po-wer!
Hand of GOD has struck the hour…
Day of judge-ment, God is call-ing…
On their knees the WAR PIGS crawl-ing…
Begging MERCY for their SINS…..
“Satan, laughing, spreads his wings….
OH LORD, YEAH!
Outro 32 bars, gradual fade...into uplevel....
"party sounds" in the background!
YOU are back – with “Something Different” ...yet RELATED!
(I watch A LOT of movies, but I also read at a speed of 510 w.p.m. with 98% retention ability)... I happen to be ALSO an AVID reader, with broad and eclectic interests.
May I share with you the three reasons why I believe LBJ was behind the assassination, IN COOPERATION WITH the "M-I.C."? (M-I.C.= Military-Industrial Complex, for our purposes today…!?
1. LBJ was from Texas, and was the incumbent "Vice President of the U.S.A.”
(This answers the question: WHO STANDS TO GAIN THE MOST?) He gained control of this country’s political processes at approximately 1:00 pm on November 22, 1963, when it was announced that President Kennedy had died from his “injuries,” and Johnson KNEW that he had just become “the President…” even before he was SWORN IN, or the INK dry on JFK's "Death Certificate; he almost IMMEDIATELY rescinded JFK's Exec Order and ISSUED his own, which ESCALATED and accelerated the war in Viet Nam - JUST ask Peter Jenning's - he was a "cub reporter" in his helmet and flak-jacket..."reporting from the de-militarized zone..." - A FIXTURE on the nightly news when I was growing up!
....a. The assassination has been proven "beyond a shadow of a doubt" to have been achieved by the cooperation of the CIA's & the FBI's "rogue agents". (This answers the questions: WHO could "pull it off?" and "HOW did they do it?”)
CROSSFIRE- it is the ONLY LOGICAL explanation and, since it is the MOST basic of ground warfare tactics and strategies, it would account for the ACTIONS of the supposedly "Magic Bullet," (For now, let us set aside completely the FACT that the Magic Bullet wasn't EVER even fired from a gun!) Aside from being found in "pristine" condition, this "Magic Bullet” had DEFIED all known "Laws of Physics”- those “laws” pertaining to vectors, angles, trajectories, and ballistics! It has since been proven, with OTHER bullets, that it simply COULD NOT have happened the way in which it was described to the American People, NOR even in the way that the Warren Commission investigators were TOLD that it happened!
2. The charges against Lee Harvey Oswald (with the media's "focus" being deliberately "mis-directed" toward the "Lone Gunman" Theory), were NEVER filed - he was detained by the DALLAS police, IN violation of ALL criminal procedures known and IN EFFECT AT THE TIME, then HE, too, was "assassinated" (sacrificed?) by a lone (?) gunman, in the garage of the DALLAS Police Station...(?) Are we detecting ANY PATTERN here? Thus was Oswald disposed of "neatly" and "completely", yet not so "very sweetly" - pure and SIMPLE - HE KNEW TOO MUCH!
....a. HE COULD NOT HAVE SHOT KENNEDY! Oswald was merely an "average shot" at his BEST, in the military, where he was ranked, by his OWN superior officers, as an "average" marksman. He was certainly NEVER ranked ”of sniper quality" with firearms while in the military....it's ridiculous to EVEN consider the notion that HE fired FROM THAT DISTANCE, using the bolt / lever action rifle that "they found” (translate: “planted”) in the Texas School Book Depository, MUCH LESS could OSWALD have HIT President Kennedy, 1.in the FRONT OF THE THROAT, 2. in the UPPER BACK, and then 3. to BLOW the BACK of the President’s head off, then for this SAME “pristine and magical bullet” to HIT the then-Governor of TEXAS, John Connolly, in the right wrist and then AGAIN in his LEFT THIGH! TWO MOVING Targets…and AT the very minimum: BLOWING FIVE holes in TWO bodies with ONE BULLET THAT WAS NEVER FIRED FROM A GUN!!! ……………………………………
Think about it…...........it's "Something Different"...yet relative...
b. The "not-so" Secret Service had OTHER aspects of the MOTORCADE covered, too; when the driver of the limousine SLOWED to 10 miles per hour...in COMPLETE DEFIANCE of all known Secret Service "Presidential Protection Squad" rules, which back then and on up to this day REQUIRE the speed of the Presidential Limo to be AT LEAST 25 miles per hour…! It's completely ludicrous!! ....It is "Something Different"...yet relative.....
c. I believe that the majority of the local Secret Service branch agency WERE, INDEED, SPECIFICALLY pulled OUT of service on THAT day, (by LBJ, ... through those who “owed him favors” in DALLAS and I might add, LBJ used his contacts via the "good ol' boy network" of the Ivy League "Skull & Bones Society" -a WELL-KNOWN 'secret society' of the RICH, powerful and privileged SONS OF THE OLIGARCHY), ESPECIALLY back in the 1960's, when the IVY LEAGUE schools were the PROMINENT & PREDOMINANT recruiting ground for the CIA AND the FBI: whenever they sought NEW "agents," HARVARD, YALE and M.I.T. were some of the Ivy League schools at which they recruited). With their "underground network of communications" - they had PLANNED JFK's assassination, and that HE (LBJ) had given...."direct orders from the White House"....for ALL phases of the "set-up," GUIDING IT ALL - straight to, and through ALL of the events in Dallas,TEXAS, on November 22nd, 1963. It's "Something Different'...yet relative....
MUSIC BREAK: Pink Floyd "Dark Side of the Moon" - SONG: "Eclipse" ---->
CUE: And we are back with “Something Different”, yet related.....
3. The FACTS show that, when Johnson had BARELY been sworn in as President, he NOT ONLY rescinded President Kennedy's Executive Order #______ to withdraw OUR military personnel from Viet Nam & South East Asia; JOHNSON ALSO then ISSUED an Executive Order of HIS OWN #________ , which then accelerated and ESCALATED the war in Viet Nam. (This answers the question: TO WHAT PURPOSE, and by what MEANS are the “ends” achieved?)
WAR is NOT peace - Slavery is NOT freedom! 2+2 STILL DO NOT MAKE 5!
I have read George Orwell’s “1984”; Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”; Livingstone & Groden’s monumental undertaking “High Treason”, Neil Sheehan’s “A Bright and Shining Lie” – about the war in Viet Nam; John Marks' "The CIA and Mind Control - The Search for the 'Manchurian Candidate' " - my own copy published in 1980, so WHO KNOWS how much has been "edited out" since then - it was HIGHLY controversial in its day; his book prior to THIS one was CENSORED by the U.S. Government, yet somehow STILL became a bestseller - Its title: "The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence."
I have, as well, undertaken a study of World History AND – separately – Comparative World Religions - The writers which I have previously named, are writers who have proven to ME, this one bare-bones FACT:
That it does NOT MATTER, WHATSOEVER one's religion, race, color, creed, or location on the globe that is OUR MUTUAL home, whomever and wherever you may happen to be....
In the “NAME of PEACE”... Blood has always been shed!
WAR IS BIG BUSINESS - "Got an economic depression? Throw a 'war'," - thus it is that the Military-Industrial Complex "insiders" co-opt "privileged" information, then they invest (...taking this CONFIDENTIAL 'advance notice' into consideration, of course...!) and grow rich.
Thus it is, while our nations' (PLURAL, not "possessive") young men and women in EVERY military system IN THE WORLD "serve" an IDEAL which DOES NOT exist! Then they die in a WAR, whether it be a worldly war (one for gaining possession of a resource or of a parcel of land) or a "jihad" (a HOLY WAR), and are considered "patriotic" and/or "faithful" for doing so...it is NEITHER patriotic NOR "faith-FULL" to KILL in the name of one's Country OR of one's GOD!
IT IS NOT "patriotism," at all – that definition of PATRIOTISM suggests, fosters and PROMOTES the continued existence of the: "lines on the maps, moving from side to side" thus, ”patriotism” = "partisanism," “nationalism,” "separatism," and continues IT’S GIGANTIC STRIDES, trampling over the “little guy,” merely to serve the “Privileged Few” in their "political endgames"
...when the TRUTH – as I SEE IT - IS:
the only "ENDGAME" is ONE of GLOBAL PROPORTIONS:
1. Cooperation between ALL nations toward the MUTUAL SHARING & REDISTRIBUTION of the vast resources found in VARIOUS areas of the world between ALL areas of the world, and, (but you'd have to END GREED!)
2. Economic Equality, based upon INDIVIDUAL EFFORT, NOT "PARTISAN PRIVILEGE." (but you'd have to EDUCATE the populace, ONLY THEN will emerge the "VOX POPULI!")
The “everyday person,” working toward these TWO goals, will soon enough SHOW the "WAR-mongrels" of the Military-Industrial COMPLEX, and their "power-BROKERS," that WE, THE PEOPLE, ARE TAKING IT INTO OUR OWN hands to WORK TOWARD these goals OURSELVES - cutting THEM and THEIR illusory "witchdoctor cures" of "WAR" and "politics" (ie: THEY GET "RICH" while the rest of the world goes to bed HUNGRY, every night, and lives a shoeless, homeless, foodless, nomadic and/or rootless existence, EVERYDAY because of those "WAR PIGS"!
STOP “FEEDING” THEM – ALTOGETHER! ALL TOGETHER, WE, YOU and ME will starve THEM to death! ELIMINATE GREED! ELIMINATE INEQUITY!
STOP the madness, people – PLEASE!
STOP being "xenophobes" (defined as: an irrational fear of foreigners), and learn about OTHER countries, other CULTURES, other planetary resources....
WE CAN ALL SHARE THIS PLANET!
STOP the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX via “ousting’” it’s PRO-ponents!
If you are NOT a registered VOTER, please GET REGISTERED and VOTE in this NEXT election; IF YOU’RE not sure how to go about it, PLEASE CALL YOUR LOCAL ELECTION BOARD – OR ASK A FRIEND – OR CALL THE American Legion Post OR VFW #_______ in your area, they can all help point you in the right direction!
LET the world's different SOCIETIES "catch up" to one another…
WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY...
NOW IS THE TIME, NOW is when it is MOST NEEDED:
THE proper HEART-Set and MIND-Set to USE the technology wisely, effectively and with the spirit of cooperation, creating "win-win" situations for everyone, globally!
So "WORK LOCALLY to CHANGE GLOBALLY": HELP GET RID of the "WAR-MONGRELS" instead…I invite you to join me and make THIS YOUR "mission" - and you -- YES, YOU -- personally can help change this world for the better...thanks for listening to the show today – our MISSION is for you to HEAR, to THINK, and then "TO DO….
“Something Different” yet, relative... HAVE A GOOD WEEK!
Play “Imagine” by John Lennon (Show Outro) 
Lily...great observations, great posting. Seldom have I seen such clear thinking!
Jack White
PS...pay no attention to the response which said long messages get
no attention. I read every word.
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Question for Jack White:
In a comparison of the location of the Lincoln, as photographed in Moorman, with Kennedy receiving a blow to the head -- is the geographical location consistent with the same location of the head shot presented in Zapruder, say frame 316, or even earlier?
The Z film is a fabrication, so its frame numbers are irrelevant.
The Moorman photo has been tampered with.
It is useless to try to compare them.
Jack
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The thing is, he would have been insane to try to climb over the pipe. It was giving off steam and he would surely have felt the heat coming off of it. Why wouldn't he simply go around the pipe?
The steam pipe was not open to the air and did not give off steam from what I have learned about it. Also, earlier in this thread it was mentioned that Seymour Weitzman burnt his hands on the pipe, so I don't see how Arnold could have been any more forewarned than Weiztman obviously was. And I still think we cannot be sure that Gordon actually made contact with the pipe before being stopped.
The so-called steampipe was covered in a heavy thickness of asbestos pipe insulation.
Jack
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I made no mistakes about the Franzens nor Toni Foster.
You have shown nothing to the contrary. What qualifies
you to say I have no understanding of the geography of
Dealey Plaza?
What's wrong with your Toni Foster claim - I'll tell you. You measured half the distance between two 14' lamppost and drew a straight line from post to post. You then placed Toni Foster near the 7' high line you had drawn. You believed that because the halfway mark up each post was 7', then if Toni Foster's head appears to be close to the line in your composite, then she must also be 7' tall. What you failed to do is consider that Zapruder is elevated well above the street and looking downward at the south pasture. Zapruder's elevated view gives the false impression that Toni Foster's head appears to almost be touching the imaginary line you had placed at 7' off the ground. If you would climb down off Zapruder's perch and walked down to the street and viewed Foster from ground level, then her head would have fallen well below the 7' mark on the lamppost and you'd see she really is 5' tall in the Zapruder film.
The higher one is elevated above the south pasture - the closer the 7' line will appear to the ground line. The closer one gets to being at ground level, the further apart the 7' line will appear against the ground line. How many of us have climbed a tree as kids and looked down at our mothers hanging the laundry on a clothes line and from our elevated position it looked like Mom was as tall as the clothes line. But when we got down on the ground, we then saw that Mom had not really grown taller, but rather it was an illusion due to angles and changes in perspective. That's what you failed to consider and is why you will never get one photographical expert to support the 7' Toni Foster claim you made.
You are totally ignorant of the LAWS OF PERSPECTIVE, which I used in the Foster study.
We can have no meaningful discussion as long as you do not know what you are
talking about and DO NOT KNOW that you do not know. I do not have time to teach you.
Jack White
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You seem not to understand: The map is irrelevant IF
THE FILM FRAMES YOU ARE STUDYING ARE FABRICATED.
Now when are you going to start admitting any of your mistakes that make up that 10% that you have previously said do occur some of the time?
Mr. Peters has a REMARKABLE TALENT for misquoting.
I said I would be satisfied if I were right 90 percent of the time. He now claims that
I have admitted to being wrong ten percent of the time.
Jack White
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How did it benefit the Military Industrial Complex to have Johnson as President for 5 years?
Was it actually that Military Industrial Complex that got together, planned the elaborate assassination and cover up, and said, "We're really gonna make out great when Kennedy is assassinated"?
Just how did it benefit the Military Industrial Complex? And if it wasn't the Military Industrial Complex, then who was it?
Doesn't it make sense that the parties culpable in JFK's death were planning on killing Johnson right before the 1964 election so that far-right Senator Barry Goldwater would be elected President?
Tony...I am surprised you never heard of the Vietnam war!
(JFK, no...LBJ, yes)
Heard of BROWN AND ROOT or BELL HELICOPTER?
Jack White
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Oh, don't put all his essays in here unless you e-mailed him first and got permission. It wouldn't be right.
I doubt that Mike will mind. His aim is to help
researchers understand the assassination.
Maybe there is hope for Dankbaar if he is studying
Griffith.
Griffith is on the right track, and is a good analyst
of information. To his credit, he is quick to incorporate
new information into his research. He is right most
of the time.
Jack
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I made no mistakes about the Franzens nor Toni Foster.
You have shown nothing to the contrary. What qualifies
you to say I have no understanding of the geography of
Dealey Plaza?
Mr. White, If you have a problem with Richard Trask map, then please point out the error in it. It's really quite a simple process to follow. One takes a Nix frame and marks who is between Nix and Zapruder ... I did that for you and plotted it on Trask map. Then you take Z369 and see what is beyond the Frazen's and you will find it is the Main Street lamp post and I also plotted that on Trask map. If you plot the two lines from Zapruder to Nix and from Zapruder to the Frazen's - you will see that they do not intersect and because they do not intersect there is no reason to expect to see that couple in Z369 when they are seen back in Z345.
Think what you will. Some people prefer not to know.Jack White
That's what it really boils down to, isn't it. Some people prefer not to know. You didn't address Trask map and the points I made. In your mind you believe that you have studied the JFK assassination photos and films longer than I, so you must be right no matter what evidence is shown to you to the contrary. John Kennedy once said, "A mistake is not a mistake, unless one refuses to correct it." You seemingly have grown so arrogant with time that you refuse to admit a mistake even when faced with the facts.
What's wrong with your Toni Foster claim - I'll tell you. You measured half the distance between two 14' lamppost and drew a straight line from post to post. You then placed Toni Foster near the 7' high line you had drawn. You believed that because the halfway mark up each post was 7', then if Toni Foster's head appears to be close to the line in your composite, then she must also be 7' tall. What you failed to do is consider that Zapruder is elevated well above the street and looking downward at the south pasture. Zapruder's elevated view gives the false impression that Toni Foster's head appears to almost be touching the imaginary line you had placed at 7' off the ground. If you would climb down off Zapruder's perch and walked down to the street and viewed Foster from ground level, then her head would have fallen well below the 7' mark on the lamppost and you'd see she really is 5' tall in the Zapruder film.
The higher one is elevated above the south pasture - the closer the 7' line will appear to the ground line. The closer one gets to being at ground level, the further apart the 7' line will appear against the ground line. How many of us have climbed a tree as kids and looked down at our mothers hanging the laundry on a clothes line and from our elevated position it looked like Mom was as tall as the clothes line. But when we got down on the ground, we then saw that Mom had not really grown taller, but rather it was an illusion due to angles and changes in perspective. That's what you failed to consider and is why you will never get one photographical expert to support the 7' Toni Foster claim you made.
Now how about another one? How about Moorman and Hill being in the street as the limo and cycles passed their position or maybe the pickup man claim? I am willing to go through each and every claim that was made in the name of film and photo fakery until we find one that has an ounce of merit to it if you're game.
This is not a sports contest. I do not do debates, despite
you ambition to "take me on."
I have no complaint about your "Trask map" except that
you should refer to it a the "Cutler map". Bob Cutler was
a painstaking architect, and all of his DP maps were
generally accurate, except one where he had the scale
of feet wrong.
You seem not to understand: The map is irrelevant IF
THE FILM FRAMES YOU ARE STUDYING ARE FABRICATED.
We are not playing on the same field if you fail to understand
that simple proposition. Discussion ended.
Jack White
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The attached shows the "opening" in the 1960s. Note that somone
standing in the 5-foot deep pit could see UNDER the fence.
Note the "steampipe" across the middle of the picture.
Jack
After digging this photo out of my files, I noticed
that there seems to have been a GATE just east
of the suspected firing point...which would make
it more convenient to fire a rifle from there.
Jack
Play “Imagine” by John Lennon (Show Outro) 
Great Zapruder Film Hoax LINK for Mr. Peter's...
in JFK Assassination Debate
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