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What a NON-RESPONSE! I point out visual clues as to the limo speed, and Mr. Light refuses
to admit he is wrong. Incredible!
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I couldn't find a moon walk thread here because it was everybody fighting. But I have questions. Maybe Jack White could answer.
First Moon Walk
How did we get through the Van Allen Radiation Belts?
Why is it that when the astronauts were on the moon there was gravity. On youtube.com you can see them jumping, not "flying." Often we were shown how lack of gravity made the astronauts in their capsule float freely in the air. Why didn't we see this on the first moon walk?
Also, if there's no gravity, how could they stay on the moon? Wouldn't they fly off into space? And the rocket too?
Thank You,
Kathy C
There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo
in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left
low earth orbit.
Jack
This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny.
Todd is resorting to fiction again. Officially, the rovers were stowed outside the LMs, just to port of the descent ladder.
But there are NO PHOTOS showing this. If I ever said anything about carrying a LM down the ladder, I may have been
trying to make a joke...since no believable photos exist of the "stowed" LM.
Jack
No Jack, it is you who is resorting to fiction.
You raised the question, in all seriousness, back on the Della Rosa forum several years back. Somewhere in my files I have a print out of it. I replied and explained it to you and you had nothing to say. And there are PLENTY of photos showing the rover stowed there and being deployed on the moon. Pitiful.
OK. I call your bluff. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON.
I have examined EVERY photo alleged to be shot on the moon. There is not a single photo among the 5771 such as Todd alleges.
Pitiful.
Jack
All,
Jack claims, “There is not a single photo such as Todd alleges.”
Jack has absolutely no clue as to what he is talking about.
This site …
http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html
…contains numerous photos of the LRV being fit checked for stowage on the LEM, loading and stowage photos, and even a closeout photo of the LRV packed in the LM.
This site…
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15.html
…contains numerous video clips of film showing the LRV being deployed. There are no still photos of the deployment as it was a two man job.
Todd
There are no still photos of the deployment as it was a two man job.
This is laughable! It is possible (and was done many times) for one of the actors to PAUSE and take
a photo of the OTHER actor doing something. It was a one man job to lower the lanyard to unfold
the LRV pallet. It was a one man job to take a photo of the LRV BEFORE AND AFTER LOWERING.
The LRV had to be unfolded and assembled, and many parts added. There is no reason for this
not being photographed. Both guys had cameras, and could pause at any time to shoot pictures,
but did not shoot even one. Also they had a remote camera which could take photos of any
action and include both actors in the scene. Todd is WAY OUT OF HIS ELEMENT HERE and ought
to tuck his tail and run.
Jack
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SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON.
SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON.
SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON.
SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON.
on the MOON
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Just my opinion at this point yet Hill's ability to reach that limo so quickly suggests it was going much slower than it appears to be in Zapruder.
DJ
How do you judge speed of the limo in he Zapruder film visually? The best you have for a visual metric is the passing of the background. Problem is photo 101 tells us that the visual blurring of the background is effected more by the actual rate of camera pan than the limo speed.
Interestingly, given the way the limo transverses the scene, the camera panning rate play visual tricks. As the limo is filmed near Houston and at the other end near the overpass the actual rate of camera pan is slowed, making the car appear to be going slower than actual speed. Starting from Houston for example the camera panning rare gradually increases until it hits its peak speed right about the 300 frame mark give or take. So even IF the limo were slowing rapidly at this point, the visual clues as to it actual speed...the amount of blur in the background, is being skewed to look faster than reality by the increased rate of camera pan.
So in other words, just looking at the film and guessing a the limo speed is a fools errand.
Of course please don't take my word for it, go out and try the panning for yourself.....
False. There are identifiable and measurable landmarks in many of the frames. Taking measurements and counting frames produces speeds.
The most obvious landmarks are the series of painted YELLOW strips on the south curb.
Jack
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I was merely pointing out that Hill wasn't stationary when he began his attempt to catch up with JFK's car.
Correct. I was not criticizing...just pointing out the obvious.
I was just pointing out that with both cars and Hill moving at the same speed, the movement
of the QM does not make Hill move any faster. It is as if all three were standing still and he
steps off. Their relative speeds remain ZERO. If all three are moving at 8 MPH when he steps off,
their relative speeds remain the same...8 MPH. Hill DOES NOT SPEED UP IN RELATION TO THE
CARS JUST BY STEPPING OFF. Only when he starts running does he gain speed faster than the
cars. Get it?
Jack
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Burton of course is aware that I did not "forget to mention" the views were from different missions.
My studies were done around ten years ago, which caused him to appear on forums to "debunk" me.
He still is making the same non-sequitur answers he did a decade ago. He has yet to show a single
photo of a rover from any of three missions still attached to the LM, being lowered, being assembled,
being outfitted...BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE. This apparent oversight was likely caused by the weight
involved. In one-sixth gravity, two men could easily handle the weight involved. In an earthbound
studio however, handling SIX TIMES THE WEIGHT was a chore that was too much for two men...so
they skipped it. Think of the photo-op missed. An automotive device unloaded and assembled
on the moon! It would have made magazine covers throughout the world. Why would NASA pass
up three different opportunities to take such historic photos? Instead there are dozens of repetitive
shots of astronots picking up rocks and bunny hopping around, and saluting the flag. Trivial
photos instead of HISTORIC SHOTS...a dune buggy being assembled on the moon. (remember,
the LRV came folded up and required assembly and outfitting with equipment; not a single photo
documents such a historic first!)
Jack
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I did not "forget to mention" anything. I purposely showed the same view from TWO DIFFERENT MISSIONS
to show that they are ALMOST IDENTICAL. What are chances of that?
Look at the two views. Explain why the camera viewpoint is identical. Only slight differences in the two
studio sets give away that the pix are "from different missions."
Jack
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I couldn't find a moon walk thread here because it was everybody fighting. But I have questions. Maybe Jack White could answer.
First Moon Walk
How did we get through the Van Allen Radiation Belts?
Why is it that when the astronauts were on the moon there was gravity. On youtube.com you can see them jumping, not "flying." Often we were shown how lack of gravity made the astronauts in their capsule float freely in the air. Why didn't we see this on the first moon walk?
Also, if there's no gravity, how could they stay on the moon? Wouldn't they fly off into space? And the rocket too?
Thank You,
Kathy C
There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo
in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left
low earth orbit.
Jack
This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny.
Todd is resorting to fiction again. Officially, the rovers were stowed outside the LMs, just to port of the descent ladder.
But there are NO PHOTOS showing this. If I ever said anything about carrying a LM down the ladder, I may have been
trying to make a joke...since no believable photos exist of the "stowed" LM.
Jack
No Jack, it is you who is resorting to fiction.
You raised the question, in all seriousness, back on the Della Rosa forum several years back. Somewhere in my files I have a print out of it. I replied and explained it to you and you had nothing to say. And there are PLENTY of photos showing the rover stowed there and being deployed on the moon. Pitiful.
OK. I call your bluff. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON.
I have examined EVERY photo alleged to be shot on the moon. There is not a single photo among the 5771 such as Todd alleges.
Pitiful.
Jack
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NASA is the DEFENDANT in the Moon Hoax Case. All comments by the defendant are self serving and to be disregarded.
In the case of the posted photo, there are ROVER TRACKS in the foreground. Yet the photo shows that neither the
port nor starboard stowage areas (left and right of the egress ladder) have been "unloaded"...THUS THERE CAN BE NO
ROVER AVAILABLE TO MAKE THE TRACKS.
Quote NASA all you want. Make any absurd assertions you want. The photo presents a situation WHICH CANNOT HAVE
TAKEN PLACE AS SHOWN. No rover, no tracks.
Jack
YOU'RE UNINFORMED!
TWICE!
Come back when you can make a rational, logical, EVIDENTIAL prosecution case.
Bald assertions on their own are not evidence.
The PHOTO is the EVIDENCE. Neither the left nor right stowage bay has been unloaded,
as can be plainly seen! Thus there is NO rover unloaded to leave tracks. Saying that
it has been unloaded does not make it so. Saying that NASA says it was unloaded does
not make it so.
Jack
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You make a good point Ian....
We should assume that Hill needed a few steps whenever he jumped off to reach speed... meanwhile the limo and QM move away from him ever so slightly...
Makes the 12-14 feet more like 14-18 feet... not much difference... but every fraction of a second is a few frames...
As we look at Hill running behind Mary/Jean, I think that would have been the most opportune area to remove frames... which makes sense given the left foot at 337 without the right foot in between 329 and 337.... that step seems to me as partially removed...
that and the limo slowed to less than 5mph, imo, and visibly hesitated making it appear that it stopped to many
Just my opinion at this point yet Hill's ability to reach that limo so quickly suggests it was going much slower than it appears to be in Zapruder.
DJ
Right.
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NASA is the DEFENDANT in the Moon Hoax Case. All comments by the defendant are self serving and to be disregarded.
In the case of the posted photo, there are ROVER TRACKS in the foreground. Yet the photo shows that neither the
port nor starboard stowage areas (left and right of the egress ladder) have been "unloaded"...THUS THERE CAN BE NO
ROVER AVAILABLE TO MAKE THE TRACKS.
Quote NASA all you want. Make any absurd assertions you want. The photo presents a situation WHICH CANNOT HAVE
TAKEN PLACE AS SHOWN. No rover, no tracks.
Jack
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NASA is the DEFENDANT in the Moon Hoax Case. All comments by the defendant are self serving and to be disregarded.
In the case of the posted photo, there are ROVER TRACKS in the foreground. Yet the photo shows that neither the
port nor starboard stowage areas (left and right of the egress ladder) have been "unloaded"...THUS THERE CAN BE NO
ROVER AVAILABLE TO MAKE THE TRACKS.
Quote NASA all you want. Make any absurd assertions you want. The photo presents a situation WHICH CANNOT HAVE
TAKEN PLACE AS SHOWN. No rover, no tracks.
Jack
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The jetliner analogy is apples and oranges Jack...
Relative to the ground when you walk forward in the airplane you are going 301 mph, just not relative to others in the plane. Same thing with the QM... relative to the ground Hill is moving at 9 mph and if he can jump of and maintain his motion he has effectively cutout the 0-9 mph acceleration, once he lets go... he either continues at 9mph, slows or accelerates.
But a good point was raised on Duncan's forum thread regarding this.... relative to each other, as you say Jack, the limo and QM are going virtually the same speed. And since the QM does not ride up the limo's rear, it too must have slowed to less than 9mph from 301 thru 335 or so... some indications are as slow as 7.8mph
now WHY the limo would slow as it travels THRU DP heading towards the freeway, with no one in front of them... is THE real mystery
In any case... If Hill jumps off an is instantly running at the same speed as the limo, he would never catch the limo which was about 12-14 feet from him as he rode on the QM's running board
As my math tried to show, the time it takes for him to catch the limo from 312 thru 337 is just under 1.35 seconds at 18.3fps. now how much faster must Hill be running than the 8mph limo to make up 12-14 feet in 1.35 seconds? He has to run at least 13mph FASTER than the limo or 21mph for that short sprint. If he leaves earlier, say 301, he has 2 whole seconds of frame time - 36 frames - yet still only has to make up the total of 12-14 feet.
My calculations above add back the total distance the limo travels as the amount of ground he has to cover - which he does - yet since he is already moving at the speed of the limo or better, the limo never gets more than 12-14 feet from Hill...
so by adding in the total distance travled - I was wrong. While his running and the left-right-left of his legs seems a bit suspect as one watches it... I do not see how much more than a few random frames could be removed to make it appear the limo did not slow as much as it really did... I dont believe Hill could run as fast or faster than world class sprinters... but the distance is so small he could reach speeds into the high teens, and if the limo slowed more severely - which sounds possible from eye witness testimony - than overtaking it as quick as he did is more than possible.
In my 1st example above we see that Hill is gaining on the limo at the rate of 6.2 feet per second (he runs 14 while the limo stays at 9.8) so the 12 feet is covered easily in 2 seconds. He's running at about 20 feet per second and covers the 40+ feet total distance in the same time... just the limo is only going 14.4 feet per second...
So if Chris could oblige.... what does your MATH ultimately look like within the major films? There are splices in Nix, Zap, Muchmore and Towner... if he was shot 30 feet further west - why/how do these films put him elsewhere..
is it really all about where they start, stop, how much is spliced and where they were spliced?
thanks
DJ
Thanks for agreeing with me (except for the apples-oranges comment). Once Hill leaves the QM, his speed comes from him, not the QM.
He no longer is carried forward by the movement of the QM. My comment was directed to Mark Haley.
Jack
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I couldn't find a moon walk thread here because it was everybody fighting. But I have questions. Maybe Jack White could answer.
First Moon Walk
How did we get through the Van Allen Radiation Belts?
Why is it that when the astronauts were on the moon there was gravity. On youtube.com you can see them jumping, not "flying." Often we were shown how lack of gravity made the astronauts in their capsule float freely in the air. Why didn't we see this on the first moon walk?
Also, if there's no gravity, how could they stay on the moon? Wouldn't they fly off into space? And the rocket too?
Thank You,
Kathy C
There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo
in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left
low earth orbit.
Jack
This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny.
Todd is resorting to fiction again. Officially, the rovers were stowed outside the LMs, just to port of the descent ladder.
But there are NO PHOTOS showing this. If I ever said anything about carrying a LM down the ladder, I may have been
trying to make a joke...since no believable photos exist of the "stowed" LM.
Jack
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Just bear in mind Hill is actually already moving at whatever speed the follow up car was travelling at.
For arguments sake, let's say the follow up car was roughly matching the speed of the President's Limo. If so, Hill was already travelling at 9 mph + before he even started running.
Are you saying that the speed of the QM propels Hill forward? I believe this is faulty thinking relative to the
two vehicles. It is all relative. If Car A is traveling 9mph and Car B is traveling 9mph and Hill is traveling
9mph, then RELATIVELY all are motionless in RELATION to each other, so he would not gain any extra distance
by jumping off the QM. Any gain must come from Hill's actions AFTER leaving the QM, since at the start
all were motionless compared to each other.
If you are on a jetliner traveling 300mph and get up and walk one mph forward, are you walking 301 mph?
Relativity.
Jack
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I couldn't find a moon walk thread here because it was everybody fighting. But I have questions. Maybe Jack White could answer.
First Moon Walk
How did we get through the Van Allen Radiation Belts?
Why is it that when the astronauts were on the moon there was gravity. On youtube.com you can see them jumping, not "flying." Often we were shown how lack of gravity made the astronauts in their capsule float freely in the air. Why didn't we see this on the first moon walk?
Also, if there's no gravity, how could they stay on the moon? Wouldn't they fly off into space? And the rocket too?
Thank You,
Kathy C
There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo
in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left
low earth orbit.
Jack
This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny.
Todd is resorting to fiction again. Officially, the rovers were stowed outside the LMs, just to port of the descent ladder.
But there are NO PHOTOS showing this. If I ever said anything about carrying a LM down the ladder, I may have been
trying to make a joke...since no believable photos exist of the "stowed" LM.
Jack
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Nearly every day I see chemtrails morph into "cirrus clouds." Winds aloft have a lot to do with the speed of the transformation.
The difference between contrails and chemtrails is that contrails EVAPORATE and chemtrails turn into clouds.
Jack
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I couldn't find a moon walk thread here because it was everybody fighting. But I have questions. Maybe Jack White could answer.
First Moon Walk
How did we get through the Van Allen Radiation Belts?
Why is it that when the astronauts were on the moon there was gravity. On youtube.com you can see them jumping, not "flying." Often we were shown how lack of gravity made the astronauts in their capsule float freely in the air. Why didn't we see this on the first moon walk?
Also, if there's no gravity, how could they stay on the moon? Wouldn't they fly off into space? And the rocket too?
Thank You,
Kathy C
There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo
in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left
low earth orbit.
Jack
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The reason I called them chemtrails is that about a month ago I saw about a half dozen similar parallel
chemtrail long clouds in the west about sunset...but they were not nearly as numerous as in the Jap video,
and did not have the crossing grid.
Even if the strange formation was caused by HAARP, the clouds had to come from somewhere. Clouds
do not suddenly appear in a blue sky without cause.
Jack
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Hypocrites.
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A very tight grid was overhead as the tsunami rolled ashore.
Jack
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Okay, here's the weather data charts for Dallas/Fort Worth area, Sunday 6th March, 2011.
Not sure what good it'll do, but as we know Mr White will never even bother looking for such, and I have (remote) access to the info.....
So?
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Studying wounds in an animated film is a waste of time and effort. Some people just don't get it.
Jack
Maybe your the one who doesn't get it Jack.
I don't beleive in alteration, therefore i do not consider it to be a waste of time to study the Zapruder film.
Robin.
Alteration of the Z film is not a faith based belief. It is a fact.
Jack
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Yesterday was a blue sky cloud free CHEMTRAIL FREE day. Today was just the opposite.
Dozens of chemtrails were laid in bizarre patterns all day by planes flying in formation,
mostly parallel, and in bursts instead of long continuous lines.
About sunset there were as many as 8 chemtrails parallel in the west, and I watched as the
sprays quickly turned into parallel cirrus clouds. I wish I had a time-lapse capability to
show the chemtrails morphing into clouds.
Jack
Chemtrails are back!
in Political Conspiracies
Posted · Edited by Jack White
A TV news report from Germany available at: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVc9...) confirmed that the German Military is manipulating the climate in Germany. As a result scientists have filed a lawsuit against the government for climate manipulation.
The video concludes, "We can state with a 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised by fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals."
The purpose of chemtrails, which are well documented over the United State and other parts of the world, according to researchers, is to manipulate the weather. Karsten Brandt, German meteorologist states, "The Federal Army is Manipulating the Meteorological maps."
The disruption of radar signals is the main purpose theorizes Mr. Brandt in the interview. "I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements - although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful."
Johannes Remmel, German Green party representative states, "The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population." While radar is tracking suspicious aircraft, the Germany Military then uses counterfeit satellite imagery to hide their operations.