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15 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said:
There were 4 to 6 Oswalds
Which two of the "4 to 6 Oswalds" did Laura Kittrell talk to at the Texas Employment Commission just weeks before the assassination?
Following are two pages of Gaeton Fonzi's 1978 report of his interview with Kittrell.
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12 hours ago, Michael Clark said:
I just used the insert URL tool, edited-in, above. Did that work?
here are links, in case that did not work.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10123-10377.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10124-10007.pdf
Michael,
Those links work fine. Considering all those long-hidden connections from Dallas to Watergate, McCord's involvement with anti-FPCC activities as well as his being subjected to additional secrecy requirements so close to the assassination is fascinating. It doesn't prove anything, of course, but it is interesting.
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to Michael Clark....
Raw PDF files will not display on this forum's software. Please show us the docs you have by simply converting (exporting) them from PDFs to GIFs or to JPG graphic formats. It is easy to do this!
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Steve--You make a compelling case that IF members of military intelligence were directly involved in planning and executing the Kennedy assassination, any incriminating paperwork that might have existed certainly could have been destroyed. But I did not see any direct evidence at all of military involvement in the assassination of JFK. Did I miss something?
Even assuming all the physical evidence was destroyed, where are the voices of military personnel, comparable to CIA-connected people like James Wilcott, Antonio Veciana, Donald Norton, Richard Case Nagell, Ann Egerter and others I'm undoubtedly forgetting at the moment whose testimony or other communications directly implicate the Agency in one way or another? Can you cite similar accusations from military people?
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Thanks to Craig Carvalho for more information about the CIA and FBI in this case. This new information shouldn't be seen in a vacuum.As many here know all too well, the FBI took Oswald off the watch list, managed by its “WANTED NOTICE” cards, at the very same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, just a couple of months after his New Orleans arrest for alleged violence in support of Communist Cuba and just six weeks before the assassination. These two actions effectively took the federal spotlight off “Lee Harvey Oswald.”
The WC didn’t even bother to depose the Division 5 guy (Gheesling) who ordered the FBI's flash cancellation. “Lee Harvey Oswald” had been on that list for nearly four years, since the “defection.” Now that he was taken off it, he’d no longer be under FBI and SS surveillance on 11/22.
At the very same time the FBI was taking “Lee Harvey Oswald” off the watch list, the CIA was publishing several confusing things about him. Responding to a query from the Mexico City station, four CIA officers signed a cable giving lots of accurate biographical data on our boy but calling him “Lee Henry Oswald.” The three page cable expressed no security concerns whatsoever about Oswald and, in fact, indicated the Moscow embassy felt “life in the Soviet Union had clearly had maturing effect on Oswald.” Nothing to worry about here!
This cable was signed by Jane Roman (Angleton’s assistant), William Hood (also close to Angleton), Thomas Karamessines (assistant to Helms) and John Whitten who, according to Jefferson Morley, was the only CIA officer of the four signers who suffered any adverse consequences for this troubling cable. John Armstrong believes that Angleton ran the Oswald Project.
At the same time the FBI was taking “Lee Harvey Oswald” off the watch list, the CIA was giving “Lee Henry Oswald” (biographical data mostly matching LHO’s official biography) a clean bill of political health in the infamous cable of 10/10/63 (see above).
It was now no longer officially necessary for the FBI to monitor “Oswald’s” activities in Dallas. And the Secret Service would no longer be expected to investigate him prior to a presidential visit to Dallas.
Although “Lee Harvey Oswald” had been arrested for a supposedly violent confrontation in support of Fidel Castro in New Orleans just two months earlier, the entire National Security apparatus of our Federal government now seemed to just stop worrying about him. What happened next, of course, has been documented by scores of writers and filmmakers for more than half a century.
“Lee Harvey Oswald,” or more likely someone who looked like him, began making all kinds of appearances in and around Dallas. These appearances were clearly designed to attract attention.
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Steve,
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it could be proved that there were U.S. military connections to the Kennedy hit, even outside of specific military intelligence channels. But I don’t know any way to approach this case other than to examine the evidence, as compromised and incomplete as it may be, and the evidence for military entanglements, at least in my opinion, pales in comparison to that for CIA involvement, despite work on the military by a number of competent people on this forum.
A thread about the Texas Employment Commission and the WC’s Cunningham Exhibits probably isn’t the place to discuss this in depth, but I’d just like to point out that, without getting into ANY specifics, the virtual war between the CIA and the Kennedy Administration weeks before the President’s assassination had even spilled over into several American daily newspapers. Until the Trump era, that was simply unheard of, was it not?
Edit: OK, I can’t resist adding just one specific. J.J. Angleton’s assistant Ann Egerter virtually admitted to the HSCA that “Oswald” worked for the Agency. The questioning was indirect and undoubtedly done to keep it out of the news, but the evidence is right there on the now-public record.
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Louise Latham apparently was not included on Kittrell’s list. The next (and last) page of Fonzi’s memo lists just two additional names from her handwritten list: Harlan Brown and Pauline Hendrickson. Latham filled out some of the surviving paperwork on Oswald, and that may be how Jenner came up with her name when questioning Ofstein, though I’m just guessing.
Your info on Dennis Ofstein is interesting, and I hadn’t paid any attention to him until now. John wrote that Oswald “brought Russian newspapers to work, read them during his breaks, and spoke Russian with coworker Dennis Ofstein. Apparently, no one at JCS was concerned.” (H&L p. 416)
4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:Perhaps someone can explain to me why Louise Latham would send someone who has a background in sheet metal work qualifies as a photographer.
It would have been helpful, perhaps, if the WC had bothered to interview Latham, or Kittrell, or ANYONE from the TEC who actually remembered Oswald, but they didn’t. Kittrell’s recollection of meeting Oswald and an Oswald impostor may not have been the only TEC-related problem for the FBI and the WC. A lot of TEC paperwork on Oswald disappeared after the FBI confiscated it. All this happened in October ‘63, just a few weeks before the assassination of JFK.
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Most of the Texas Employment Commission records about Lee Harvey Oswald disappeared while in FBI custody. A few were published in the Warren Volumes as Cunningham Exhibits, which Steve Thomas pointed to at the top of this thread.Helen Cunningham was interviewed by the Warren Commission. She said that all of her counseling records were missing from Oswald's file except one. Irving Statman, the assistant district director of the TEC office in Dallas, was also interviewed by the Commission and he said that all of Oswald's counseling records were missing from the Dallas office. These records disappeared after being turned over to the FBI.
Among the TEC documents that disappeared were those prepared by TEC employee Laura Kittrell, who had interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald several times just weeks before the assassination of JFK, including a lengthy interview of nearly two hours. Kittrell stated that after several interviews with Oswald, a different man, similar in appearance, came to her claiming to be "Lee Harvey Oswald." This Oswald impostor remained in her memory and she tried on many occasions to inform authorities about him, including a two page registered letter to Attorney General Robert Kennedy dated December 26, 1963, and a 20-page letter to the Warren Commission via the Dallas U.S. Attorney in April 1964.
She was ignored by the Warren Commission and not even briefly interviewed by the FBI until July 1965.
Finally, in 1978, Gaeton Fonzi of the HSCA interviewed her and he prepared a lengthy memo to Blakey about the interview. Two pages of Fonzi's memo are shown below. If you are pressed for time, just start reading the last paragraph on the first page below.
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17 hours ago, James R Gordon said:
Regarding the principle of funding I will continue to fund the EF and the EF will continue to exist beyond May 2018. I have been heartened by a definite change in tone on the forum.
That's great news! Thank you, James!
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This thread was interesting from the start because Steve Thomas began with details about Oswald that were not examined in depth by any of the U.S.-sponsored "investigations" of the Kennedy assassination.So much evidence in this case was destroyed, ignored, altered, invented, misrepresented, or otherwise manipulated, we're lucky to be able to learn anything at all about our federal government's association with "Lee Harvey Oswald."
We clearly were not supposed to learn any of this.
Only by piecing together these often hidden details about "Lee Harvey Oswald," with the kind of effort Steve gave to this thread, can we begin to understand the true identity of this man--or men--so clearly connected to U.S. intelligence agencies.
What makes this connection difficult to prove is that, lacking honest conclusions of the so-called investigations, the devil has always been in the details, and those details take time to explain and even more time to comprehend.
But those details, as numerous as the bricks in a huge building, eventually show that the true biography of "Lee Harvey Oswald" is vastly different than what four official U.S. government "investigations" told us.
Has there been a single mainstream news report in the past half century thoroughly examining the evidence of "Oswald's" ties to U.S. Intel? Can anyone name a single one?
The thread Steve started here clearly shows, I think, that "Lee Harvey Oswald" was an informant for the FBI. But I also think that Oswald's U.S. Intel connections go MUCH deeper. Here, once more, is my take....
21 Facts Indicating the Oswald Project Was Run by the CIA
1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account, called RX-ZIM, which was really for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.”2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963.
3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s.
4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962.
5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA.
6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA "contact" who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child.
7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and probably monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death.
8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE.
9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA.
10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination.
11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report.
12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots.
13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear.
14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story.
15. CIA's Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, and he said that the CIA and the FBI ignored his warnings.
16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations.
17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs….
18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again!
19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.”
20. CIA's Ann Egerter, who worked for J.J. Angleton's Counterintelligence Special Interest Group (CI/SIG), opened a "201" file on Oswald on December 9, 1960. Egerter testified to the HSCA: "We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel....” When asked if the purpose was to "investigate Agency employees," she answered, "That is correct." When asked, "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?" she answered, "No, I can't think of one."
21. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as evidenced by Arthur Krock's infamous defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times. “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.
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1 hour ago, David Josephs said:
Jim... there's a 2nd page to that report in John's file
3114 Harlendale?
The second page is only at Baylor, though, and not on the CD. John apparently didn’t draw much of a connection, but it does seem strange!
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1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:
I had to grin at myself. 1026 was the Beckley St. address wasn't it? Guess I must have been sleepy.
Yes, Walthers' address of 3128 was a typo.
Yeah, that was the Beckley St. boarding house. So, for a few short minutes we had one little mystery solved, at least until DJ chimed in with 3114 Harlandale. Now I’m confused again. Are we to believe there was a miniature Cold War front between 3114 Harlandale (FPCC) and 3126 Harlandale (Alpha 66)? If these had been two addresses in Miami, maybe. But this kind of coincidence in Dallas? Sheesh!
1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:I'm not sure what you are trying to says vis a vis Orcarberro and Phillips. Did you mean to say that Phillips was Veciana's Bishop?
Well, if Orcarberro headed the local Alpha 66 chapter, and Phillips--aka Bishop--was the CIA “contact” for Alpha 66, Phillips should have known about activities at the house, although I was assuming two hour ago that Orcarberro leased the house.
Your big point, though, that the exiles were wise to “Oswald’s” true status is intriguing. There is another side to all this, though, involving how desperate some CIA brass were to provoke a post-Bay-of- Pigs invasion of Castro’s Cuba. David Phillips, post-assassination, fabricated all kinds of stuff trying to link Oswald to Castro, most of it involving Mexico City bs.
1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:As far as your question about Oswald getting a new passport... I just happened to be reading a speech by Fidel Castro in the immediate aftermath of JFK's assassination and he asked that very question as well. Personally, after his speech to the Jesuit College in Alabama in July, and his radio debate in New Orleans in August, I don't see any way the Soviet Union would have allowed him back in their country. To me, that seems like a fool's errand. Your question seems to be getting into the whole Mexico City trip, and I don't know anything about that, and am not qualified to speak intelligently.
But the Soviets didn’t want our boy in the USSR in the first place. Oswald had to slit his wrist to keep from being booted out of Russia right from the start. He was really quite dedicated to his craft! That second passport, including State’s approval process, was just weird. It smells like some sort of Intel operation to me.
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5 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
This is just idle speculation on my part.
The publicity surrounding his return from Russia in June, 1962 made him useless for any kind of Soviet counter intelligence work. He was on the front pages of several newspapers for heaven's sake. At that point, I think he was lent out to the FBI for anti Cuban-exile counter intelligence. He starts attempting to infiltrate various Cuban exile groups, but his approach is so heavy handed, and transparent that his usefulness there is coming to an end by the end of 1963. I read once that somebody described him as a "useful idiot." Another guy in the Cuban exile community (John Martino maybe?) said, "Poor Oswald, he didn't know who was running him". So, the answer to your question is:
Steve,
Don't forget though that Oswald, with a laughably bad mug shot, was in newspapers at the start of the 1959 "defection" as well, portrayed as a confused leftist. If American Intel considered him worthless for Soviet infiltration, why on earth was he issued (or instructed to get) a new passport in 1963, while the old one was still valid for several years? Could that new passport, issued in summer of '63, have been part of the assassination set-up? That seems to have been when his sheep-dipping started.
This is speculation on my part also, but I think Oswald knew exactly who was running him.
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6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Oswald has been seen entering and leaving a house at 1026 Harlendale St. in Dallas that Orcarberro is renting.
Just as he is about to bust Masen, the FBI and local police swoop in and arrest Miller and Whitter on November 18, 1963.
Ellsworth is forced to prematuely arrest Masen on November 20th
Thanks for elaborating on this, Steve.
Do you think Buddy Walthers was talking about the same house on Harlendale, which he said was located at "3128 Harlendale"? In H&L, John indicated that Walthers really meant 3126 Harlendale, giving us no fewer than three different addresses for what appears to be the same place. Assuming Phillips was Orcaberro's (Alpha 66's) "Bishop," how could Phillips not have known all about this?
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4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
It was my contention that, by doing so, the DRE got ahead of the story and killed two birds with one stone. They not only undercut LHO by portraying him as a "rat bastard, Castro-loving commie"; but they also undercut the CIA. I think they were whispering behind the scenes that not only was LHO was a commie, but also that he was an informant for the government. I think the exiles has been compiling a dossier on Oswald from a long time back. Every time an "Oswald" was around, their plans were foiled.
April, 1963 a planned raid in Cuba is waylaid (Alpha 66)
July, 1963 a training camp in Lake Ponchtrain is raided (MDC)
August, 1963 Carlos Bringuer voices suspicion that Oswald is an informant (DRE)
September, 1963 a "Cuban associate" of Sylvia Odio is told to stay away from Oswald (JURE)
November, 1963 the Miller/Whitter/Jhn Thomas Masen gun deal goes bad (Alpha 66)
Didn't Gerry Partick Hemming say that Oswald had contacted him and offered to help and Hemming told him to get lost?
After a while, you have to believe that people are putting two and two together.
I think this partially explains the CIA's post 11/22 panic over the Mexico City affair. The January 22, 1964 WC Executive Session analysis is spot on.
The DRE was initially formed as a propaganda arm. In this case, I think they out-Hunted Hunt and Phillips.
Fascinating!! Van Burns claimed his friend introduced LEE Oswald and David Ferrie to him at his booth at the Pontchartrain Beach amusement park in late June or early July 1963. The "Miller/Whitter/Jhn Thomas Masen gun deal" you mention isn't quite registering with my tired old brain cells. Was an Oswald associated with that? Love the DRE/AMSPELL coincidence! Thank you for all of this!
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Steve,
Yeah, I believe the record is true that the Russian-speaking Oswald left Moscow in May '62 and arrived in Hoboken, NJ on June 13. If Robert's version is true, "LHO" was probably referring as much to the CIA as the FBI, but I sincerely doubt it is entirely true.
Thank you for the 1/22/64 transcript link. I was just looking for it yesterday.
I must say though that I have a problem with this transcript. Tanenbaum said he read it back in the HSCA days and he told the ARRB that, to the best of his recollection, it contained references not only to Oswald's employment by the FBI, but by the CIA as well. He could be wrong, of course, but the transcript could also have been sanitized.
We have proof that the WC was not above altering transcripts, for example....
The fact that so many of the attendees felt the transcript should be buried suggests that, at the least, it got very special attention. Call me paranoid....
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I thought this was common knowledge. Excerpted from pp. 13-14 of Portrait of the Assassin by Gerald Ford….
“On Wednesday, January 12, the members of the Commission were hurriedly called into emergency session by the chairman. Mr. J Lee Rankin, newly appointed General Counsel for the Commission, had received a telephone call from Texas. The caller was Mr. Waggoner Carr, the Attorney General of Texas. The information was that the FBI had “an undercover agent” and that the agent was none other than “Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin of President Kennedy!
“Prior to that day the newspapers had carried an inconspicuous article or two speculating on whether Oswald could have been an agent of any United States Government agency. Mrs. Marguerite Oswald had made statements that she thought her son must have been tied in with the CIA or the State Department. But now the alarm had been sounded by a high official; and the Dallas prosecutor, Mr. Henry Wade, who had reported the rumor, was himself a former FBI man.
“Individual members of the Commission got their first inkling of the seriousness of Carr’s report when they met in emergency session late in the afternoon of the twenty-second of January…..
“The Texas officials slipped into the nation’s capital with complete anonymity. They met with Lee Rankin and other members of the staff and told what they knew. The information was that Lee Oswald was actually hired by the FBI; that he was assigned the undercover-agent number 170; that he was on the FBI payroll at two hundred dollars a month starting in September 1962 and that he was still on their payroll the day he was apprehended at the Texas Theatre after having gunned down Officer J.D. Tippit! The officials returned to Dallas after their visit on Friday, January 24. Their presence in Washington was unknown to the press or the public.”
In the remaining 500 pages or so of Ford’s otherwise unremarkable book, the story above is never discredited, other than indicating that Hoover personally denied everything. In 1996, former Deputy Counsel for the House Select Committee on Assassinations Robert Tanenbaum testified at an ARRB hearing in Los Angeles by saying, "the Attorney General of Texas, Henry Wade the District Attorney and Leon Jaworsky counsel to the Attorney General, on the transcript spoke to the Chief Justice and said in substance, as I recall, that they had information from unimpeachable sources that Lee Harvey Oswald was a contract employee of the CIA and the FBI." Read Mr. Tanenbaum’s ARRB testimony HERE.
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Did CIA Officer David Atlee Phillips Coordinate Ruby's Activities to Kill Oswald?
KLIF radio founder Gordon McLendon was a former Naval Intelligence officer who was a close friend and confidant of CIA officer David Atlee Phillips.
Jack Ruby called McLendon’s unlisted phone number the day of the assassination. Ruby was overheard that very afternoon saying he could be reached at KLIF, and he continued writing letters to McLendon even from prison.
In 1975 McLendon and David Atlee Phillips formed the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO). The two men had known one another since childhood. And it was Phillips who was spotted by Antonio Veciana talking to LEE Oswald at the Southland building in Dallas in the summer of 1963.
And so we are starring at a direct chain of command from CIA’s David Atlee Phillips to former intel officer Gordon McLendon to McLendon’s close friend Jack Ruby.
From Harvey and Lee:
Around 1:15 am KLIF radio announcer Russ Knight approached the entrance
to the police station and asked if anyone had seen District Attorney Henry Wade. Jack
Ruby, who was milling around talking to people said, "I'll show you" and escorted
Knight to the basement. Before reaching the basement Ruby asked Knight, twice, to
ask District Attorney Wade if he thought Oswald was "insane." After reaching the base-
ment Ruby once again approached Wade and told him that radio announcer Russ
Knight wanted to speak with him.142As Knight began talking with Wade, Dallas Police Lieutenant James Gilmore
saw Ruby and asked him what he was doing at the police station after midnight. Ruby
told Gilmore that he was passing out sandwiches and planning to deliver sandwiches to
KLIF radio, the station owned by Gordon McLendon.143NOTE: Jack Ruby listed Gordon McLendon, the owner of Dallas radio station KLIF,
as one of his six closest friends. McClendon had known career CIA officer David Atlee
Phillips since both men were in their teens and attended school in Fort Worth. In the
1970's McLendon joined Phillips to form the Association of Former Intelligence Offic-
ers (AFIO).....
Jack Ruby-1:30 am to 6:00am
After Russ Knight finished talking with Henry Wade he and Ruby walked out
of the police station. Ruby asked Knight if he needed a ride to the KLIF station, but
Knight declined and walked to KLIF, while Ruby walked to his car.147About 1:45am Ruby arrived at KLIF with sandwiches and soft drinks and again
talked with Knight. At 2:00am, with Ruby nearby, Knight went on the air and told ra-
dio listeners, "Through a tip from a local nightclub owner I asked Mr. Wade the ques-
tion of Oswald's insanity."Around 2:15am, following the radio broadcast, Knight and Ruby left the radio
station. On the steps of the building Ruby handed Knight the text of a speech called
"Heroism" from H.L. Hunt's LIFE Line radio program, broadcast on radio station
KRLD. Ruby told Knight there were elements such as Hunt's in Dallas that hated Presi-
dent Kennedy.Knight remembered the late night incident and said, "Ruby had the speech but
he didn't seem to be cognizant fully of what the speech was or actually what side that
he stood on ..... just mentioned like there is an element here that hates, that hated Mr.
Kennedy." When Knight asked Ruby if he meant the Hunt's, Ruby said nothing.148NOTE: After Ruby shot Oswald, Knight began to think about the "Heroism" speech that
Ruby gave him and said, "It seemed to me like too much of a coincidence that he should
be carrying a speech called 'Heroism' and then for him to shoot Oswald on Sunday
mormng...."149--From Harvey and Lee, pp. 904-905, Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong. All rights reserved.
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The information was that Lee Oswald was actually hired by the FBI; that he was assigned the undercover-agent number 179; that he was on the FBI payroll at two hundred dollars a month starting in September 1962 and that he was still on their payroll the day he was apprehended in the Texas Theater....
--Gerald Ford, Portrait of the Assassin, p. 14.
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Since the evidence is so strong that "Lee Harvey Oswald" was a CIA employee, we have to ask why top Agency officials such as Dulles, Helms, Angleton, Phillips, and Hunt would chose one of their own as the designated patsy for the assassination. My bet is the following all played a role in the selection:
1. With his trip to Russia, staged FPCC activities, and commie-loving history going all the way back to the Marine Corps, it was easy to paint the Russian-speaking Oswald as a commie with ties to Castro, which is exactly what happened. LBJ had to intervene to prevent a possible war with Cuba and maybe even the Soviets.
2. Oswald’s ties to both the FBI and the CIA made G-men, especially J. Edgar Hoover, all too happy to enter full scale cover-up mode.
3. Russian-speaking Lee HARVEY Oswald had demonstrated that he would follow even difficult orders, critical in the days and hours before and immediately after the assassination. (He absolutely had to be in the right places at the right times to become a successful patsy. And a patsy was absolutely critical for the plot to succeed. Without one, the search for the plotters would have been relentless.)
4. The “Harvey and Lee” project (John Armstrong suspects it was controlled by David Atlee Phillips) made it simple to send around a fellow who looked like Russian-speaking Oswald in the weeks prior to the hit to set him up as the assassin-to-be. For example….
- The Sports Drome Rifle Range on Oct. 26, Nov. 9, Nov. 10, and again on Nov. 17, several times creating a scene and once shooting at another guy's target;
- Morgan's Gun Shop in Fort Worth on Nov 2.
- The Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership also on Nov. 2 where he test drove a car at wrecklessly high speeds saying he would soon come into enough money to buy a new car.
- The Irving Furniture Mart On Nov. 6 or 7 for a gun part where he was referred to the shop where Dial Ryder worked.
- The Southland Hotel parking garage (Allright Parking Systems) on Nov. 15 to apply for a job and oh-so-subtly ask how high the Southland Building was and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.
- Hitchhiking on Nov. 20 on the R.L. Thornton Expressway while carrying a 4-foot long package wrapped in brown paper and introducing himself to Ralph Yates as “Lee Harvey Oswald.” He discussed the President's visit, wondered if you could shoot a president, and asked to be dropped across the street from the Texas School Book Depository (where Russian-speaking “Lee Harvey Oswald” was already at work).
The 1973 motion picture “Executive Action” with Burt Lancaster and Robert Ryan does a great job showing how an “Oswald” look-alike traveled around Dallas in the weeks before the assassination doing many of the things listed above.
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9 hours ago, Paz Marverde said:
Do not forget Chicago
Paz....
A lot of stories came out of Chicago in the late 1960s and 70s. Sherman Skolnick really took on the Dorothy Hunt story.
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Thanks, Paz and Bruce. I've been maintaining the following list for a couple of years and I'm reposting it here because it seems relevant. Paul Trejo in the past has tried to debunk it, but his efforts always come up short.
21 Facts Indicating the Oswald Project Was Run by the CIA
1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” HSCA contemporaneous staff notes indicate that Wilcott said the CIA cryptonym for the Oswald Project was RX-ZIM, but that he wasn't allowed to say so, even in secret testimony.2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963.
3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s.
4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962.
5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA.
6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA "contact" who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child.
7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and probably monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death.
8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE.
9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA.
10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination.
11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report.
12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots.
13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear.
14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story.
15. CIA's Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, and he said that the CIA and the FBI ignored his warnings.
16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations.
17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs….
18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again!
19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.”
20. CIA's Ann Egerter, who worked for J.J. Angleton's Counterintelligence Special Interest Group (CI/SIG), opened a "201" file on Oswald on December 9, 1960. Egerter testified to the HSCA: "We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel....” When asked if the purpose was to "investigate Agency employees," she answered, "That is correct." When asked, "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?" she answered, "No, I can't think of one."
21. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as evidenced by Arthur Krock's infamous defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times. “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.
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I have seldom had good things to say about Dave Perry, who seems to be the "guru" consulted here, and there is a ton of the usual MSM misinformation here, but the conclusion is just such a surprise to me. Could there be an ulterior motive?
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The report gets a whole lot of things wrong, but the conclusion is really surprising.
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Which two of the "4 to 6 Oswalds" in 1958 were treated for VD on the Japanese mainland while the other sailed the high seas aboard the U.S.S. Skagit and was stationed in Taiwan?