Clive Largey

It looks as though that flash corresponds to a damaged frame in the film Vanessa and yes I would agree, the more you watch, it does appear as though PM was in position at this time. I'm a bit reluctant to call him Lovelady but I suppose if I'm happy it's him in Altgens what's my problem? Do we really expect a HQ Towner to show anything different to Hughes or even better? From what I have seen, the people in the doorway look messy and confusing and folks in the shade are completely missing.

Best I could find of the shirted figure in Hughes leans out, the sun gets in his eyes and then moves back to the shade. Black man lifts arm. Shirt is much more open than Wiegman's Lovelady.

Researcher Don Roberdeau the compiler of the map might be a good person to ask Robert.

I must admit I loved seeing these clips of better quality films in these recent programmes but they are quite frustrating and it almost seems to me that they are not shown in full because the producers are paying for each second of broadcast and even more if it's full screen, If I paid one fee to use a film in a production you could not stop me from showing the whole thing beginning to end especially since it hasn't been done yet. So we don't really have any film in HD yet, we just have snippets. Would the museum ever consider releasing a Blu-ray compilation of what you can share for research purposes or does piracy make this a no go area? Perhaps if you had enough pre orders. I'd take a digital download of the complete Couch film even with a traceable watermark gladly. Couch, Cook, Underwood and the rest, lovely. How much?

Roy Schaeffer believed that "a frame in her film shows the right side of the steps" well it almost does though not exactly but that is not the blow up he used/or what Groden gave him. The frames he refers to in fact come from the NOV24 1967 not 66 or 63 are not the same, so there was clearly some crossed wires involved but it's understandable. The one frame in Life that did show the doorway Adorable.

The frame that shows Lovelady on the right side of the steps above is probably ten minutes after the assassination and has been marked as the John Martin film elsewhere perhaps because of word from the museum itself, I'm not sure. Groden himself did not associate this with Towner on his DVD with the films on it(probably five years or more after the research paper), it comes from the Dallas Cinema Associates portion which did indeed contain the Martin segments. One minute into this taken straight from Groden's DVD, separate from the Towner section. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyI-abdmPwg Perhaps Robert Groden took an educated guess as to films source at that time and the researcher getting that "confirmation" knew it had to be taken closer to the time of the shooting and wondered how can Lovelady be in two places at once? This is what I think he meant by the genuine film showing "Oswald and Lovelady together", nothing to do with Prayerman IMHO.

Thanks for posting that, Clive. Looking closely, you can see there is someone with a dark top and what appears to be a light coloured skirt directly facing this man and, perhaps, one step down. It is also possible this person is telling something to the person on the upper step. Or perhaps a quick kiss before they head back to work on different floors? I didn't realise uploads here only show up when you're logged in I'll try a host next time, also thanks for posting that other sharper gif too Robert.

Robert, if you check the middle of Jackson's testimony you may agree with me that the "motorcycle cop" that he and Ford talk about above is in fact the one he mentioned previous to this falling on the ground with his bike further down the street, i.e. Haygood. Remember, apparently at this moment Jackson has his hands full, documenting the rifle, the men on the fifth floor and their reactions, telling his fellow passengers what he saw, pointing them to the correct window and most important of all staying in the car. Also, I'm not sure that where the bike in the Couch film is had any less people on that island than was immediately outside the entrance and if anything from Wiegman it actually seems more were huddled together there and how did a sidewalk serve him or his bike? Not sure about that, anyway I thought you were suggesting earlier in the thread that this wasn't a good place to park if you wanted to run straight for the entrance from Houston, have you change your mind or did I misread you? Baker, if it is him, actually refers to happenings down the street before he runs inside, things that he was curious about, things that he could only see from that position. My point being, I think he was there at that position for other reasons besides going inside the building. I don't take the pigeon tale as fact at all. I think the prosecutors needed him to look directly at the building and go straight inside, it looks better, feels stronger, despite what he actually said(he paused to look down the street and so could not have gone straight inside) this is what many think actually happened. That visual clue is what he needs to make the story of him looking at that building stand up because as you can tell from Wiegman no one else did. Perhaps he did get something right then, it does seem to make sense and from that interview we know he didn't mind occasionally taking his hat off

This is what Robert is referring to Thomas, a man facing the camera I believe, so not climbing the steps with the others. Lovelady is still a possibility. Wasn't a coke bottle spotted here in one of the later photos? Perhaps then, he's straightening up after reaching down to grab it or just as Robert suggests maybe asking someone if everything's okay?

Hi all, finally got the courage to join after lurking for months. Regarding Truly, do you think this is a good enough candidate? He's in the right place to block the cop if he just casually walked back to get some lunch, after putting his hat back on of course. I mean it seems to be the same route. Also, there is one reference that I found right at the end of Robert Jackson's testimony: Nothing in this regard from either Couch or Dillard but perhaps they just needed the right question. That's one of the things I wanted to put to you Robert, how could this cop bump physically into Truly as the film shows, if he wasn't heading for the entrance, unless perhaps he changed his mind at the last second? Also regarding the bike's placement. Isn't it possible that this cop only learnt something was wrong just before this point and may have kept on going if he hadn't seen the commotion in the motorcade on Elm? That's what I'm beginning to believe myself. I mean people talk about the physical evidence in this case being the best and if you need some supporting the idea that this cop did not look straight at the TSBD before he hit Elm you've found it.

Fascinated by real history and read quite a bit on the JFK case, I don't subscribe to any particular theory and am not looking to solve it. Love real music, especially some 70's stuff