Sandy Larsen

Chuck, Had Mayor Cabell of Dallas told the chief of police that LHO was suspect, the chief surely would have been surprised and asked how the mayor could have known such a thing. Because of that, it's a little hard to believe that's how it came down. However, I just recalled something that happened that, if true, makes a whole lot of sense. Not too many years ago a forum member mentioned an apparent fact that somebody had called a tip into the police saying that someone with a rifle (or shotgun?) had just walked into the Texas Theater. That's something that the perpetrators could easily have done, that would guarantee a huge police response! But still, for this to work, it would have been necessary for the police to already be looking for LHO. And to have an accurate description of him. I don't know enough about that part of the story to figure out how the police could have gotten that information. I do recall hearing that Roy Truly fingered Oswald as a suspect around the time the police were checking out the snipers nest.

My whole point is that some of the photos are faked. If I assume one of the photos is real in order to prove that another is fake, then I have accomplished my goal whether or not I am right in my assumption! Because if I am right in my assumption that the one photo is real, then I have proven the other is fake. On the other hand, if I am wrong in my assumption that the one photo is real... well the only way I can be wrong is if the one I assumed is real is really fake! So, either way, I have proven a photo to be faked. This obvious fact seems to be beyond your comprehension level. If it weren't, you would have seen the flaw in your critique right away before posting it. Or... maybe it's just your dogmatic insistence that is making you say dumb things. What "irrefutable scientific evidence" are you talking about? If you think that a photo in and of itself is irrefutable evidence, then you are sorely mistaken. Unless you think that Dick Van Dyke really danced with penguins.

You mean the DPD was told that Oswald was the designated patsy, and that was the reason DPD directed their police officers to go to the Texas Theater and arrest Oswald? If so, that would mean that the head of the DPD was in the the conspiracy. I think it's much more likely that the conspirators somehow brought to the DPD's attention evidence of some kind indicating Oswald should be a suspect. Faked evidence.

You're wasting your time Keven. Ideologues hear only what they want to hear and they disregard the rest.

I doubt Trump is Tucker's source because Tucker knows he isn't trustworthy.

Jim, I don't know if you realize this, but Roger's motive for insisting the WC was Johnson's idea is that his theory is that Johnson was a major player in the assassination plot, and indeed a necessary element of it. That seems to be the case to me, after debating this point with Roger on other recent threads.

Tucker hates Pompeo and says he's a criminal. In return, Pompeo tells Tucker some CIA secrets? Makes no sense to me. Were Tucker and Pompeo pals in the past?

Jim, I don't understand... how do you get the impression that Pompeo is Tucker's source? The impression I get is that we still don't know who the sources is, but that Pompeo (former CIA Director) is afraid Tucker's source will reveal something that the CIA doesn't want us to know. So Pompeo has a lawyer call Tucker to try and intimidate him into not talking.

Richard, I agree with al the points that you make here. Even though I admitted to egg on my face, that was only to admit that Mexico City did indeed know about the Cuban Consulate visit but chose not to report it to headquarters. I never thought that there was was reason to believe there was a nefarious reason behind that decision. Including anything to do with a mole hunt.

Right. But it was Harriman who said he consulted the Sovietologists. When I said that Harriman conveyed this information to Air force One, I didn't mean personally/directly. But I have corrected my comment to make it clear. Thanks.

Europe and America should create a Palestinian State and a Marshall Plan for quickly building it. Leave Gaza as-is for a Holocaust-like museum reminding everybody what Hamas and militant Israelis did to the Palestinian people.

Call it what you want Roger. But most people call the evidence that the WC created against Oswald phrases like "faked evidence, "forged evidence," etc. Because I disagree with you. I don't believe Johnson was an essential participant. Yes, I read it. And I criticized it and showed you how it falls apart under scrutiny. What unsupported claims? Almost everything I've said are either known facts, or are theories believed by a lot of people, including Jim D.

Thanks Jim!

Joe, The Generals and CIA were the perpetrators of the assassination. They designed it to looked like Cuba and Russia were behind it. The General didn't report that the Cubans/Russian were behind the assassination because they are not an investigative body. J. Edgar Hoover did indeed discover the evidence that the Cubans/Russians were behind the assassination. The faked evidence, that is. But he didn't know it was faked. At least not until much later.

Oh I don't know, Roger. Maybe whatever it was that got the whole police force out to arrest Oswald... which they did at Texas Theater. I didn't say it was valid evidence. Say what? LBJ was hoping for a death bed confession from Oswald. Why would he have hoped for that if he knew Oswald was innocent? Of course LBJ and Hoover thought Oswald was guilty. That IS the easy choice! I'll let J. Edgar Hoover tell you. Here is what he said to LBJ over the phone regarding the evidence implicating Cuba: "This angle in Mexico is giving us a great deal of trouble because the story there is of this man Oswald getting $6,500 from the Cuban embassy and then coming back to this country with it. We're not able to prove that fact, but the information was that he was there on the 18th of September in Mexico City and we are able to prove conclusively he was in New Orleans that day. Now then they've changed the dates. The story came in changing the dates to the 28th of September and he was in Mexico City on the 28th. Now the Mexican police have again arrested this woman Duran, who is a member of the Cuban embassy... and we're going to confront her with the original informant, who saw the money pass, so he says, and we're also going to put the lie detector test on him." Oswald reportedly had been paid $6500 for the hit in the Cuban Consulate. And was paling around with Silvia Duran and some Cuban officials while in Mexico City. (This according Elena Garro, June Cobb, and Gilberto Alvarado.) And then there was the evidence that Oswald met with KGB assassinations chief Valeriy Kostikov at the Soviet Embassy. And the letter Oswald supposedly sent to the Soviet Embassy in Washington DC saying that he had conducted his business with Comrade Kostin (i.e. Kostikov).

It makes no sense whatsoever for the CIA to do anything at all in creating a false flag operation, knowing that LBJ was opposed to it. Sorry, but your theory falls apart right there. You need to adjust it to account for what the CIA plotters did. But we know that both the JCS and the CIA were willing to take the risk of attacking Cuba. We know that because that's precisely what they did! With the Bay of Pigs! My theory has these exact same actors assassinating Kennedy. They still wanted to attack Cuba! According to the Burris Memorandum, Allen Dulles told Kennedy that December 1963 would be the ideal time for America to win the war. You can read about it here: https://prospect.org/world/u.s.-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963/ Harriman said he had consulted with the top Sovietologists and it was a consensus opinion that the Soviets were not involved, and he reported that to LBJ while he was still aboard Air Force One flying back to Washington. (McGeorge Bundy made the radio call.) Now why would Harriman do such a thing if he weren't trying to steer LBJ away from the commie angle? BTW, Harriman lied... he had not consulted the Sovietologists, other than himself. (Recall that he had been Ambassador to the Soviet Union.) Precisely! The same faction that perpetrated the assassination! The same faction that proved with the Bay of Pigs that they were willing to risk war with Russia as a result of attacking Cuba!

I just read this Bill Simpich document: https://aarclibrary.org/the-jfk-case-the-twelve-who-built-the-oswald-legend-part-10-nightmare-in-mexico-city/ It verifies that Boris Tarasoff did indeed recognize the broken Russian caller's voice to be the same in both the Sept. 28 and Oct. 1 calls. In the Sept. 28 call, from the?Cuban Consulate to the Soviet Embassy, Duran hands the phone to Oswald and he speaks but doesn't give his name. In the Oct. 1 call, to the Soviet Embassy, Oswald makes the call himself and this time he does leave his name. In this call he says that he had been to the Soviet Embassy earlier. So the second call tells Boris right away that Lee Oswald had been to the Soviet Embassy. The voice is the same as that in the first call, which came from the Cuban Consulate. So Boris deduces that Lee Oswald had been to the Cuban Consulate as well! BUT HERE'S THE RUB... The first call, on Sept. 28 -- the one initiated by Duran and handed over to Oswald -- could not have really been made from the Cuban Consulate because that was a Saturday and the consulate was closed on Saturday! In addition, Duran said that she did not make that call! (I believe she said she never even saw Oswald after Friday the 27th.) So apparently that call was made by a woman who wasn't Duran, and it was made from a location that wasn't the Cuban Consulate! So where does that leave us? In a sense, we are back to where we started... there being no credible evidence in the phone calls indicating that Oswald had been to the Cuban Consulate. On the other hand, as far as the telephone intercept teams knew, Oswald had indeed been to both the Soviet Embassy AND the Cuban consulate! Therefore, I believe we have to conclude that the CIA's Mexican Desk did indeed keep to themselves the information that Oswald had been to the Cuban Consulate. And that is egg on my face.

Very early on there was evidence pointing to Oswald as the perp. There was also evidence pointing to Cuba and Russia (as well as Oswald) as the perps. Johnson didn't want anything to do with the conspiracy angle that would lead to international consequences... like war. After all, Hoover said that the evidence for the conspiracy was far from solid. So Johnson did the easy thing and chose to accept the lone gunman evidence. Later he would discover that the lone gunman solution wasn't so great after all... because it wasn't correct. Which meant that the FBI and WC had to lie there heads off to make it all work out.

Oops, I should have read more carefully. You do see the problem. Well, then, my prior post is for other people reading the thread.

Okay, but that doesn't tell us anything relevant to the topic of this thread. Because it is dated after the assassination. On October 9, the clandestine telephone intercept teams reported that Lee Oswald had visited the Russian Embassy at the end of September. But they didn't say a word about him visiting the Cuban Consulate. The question is, why? The answer is because the person talking on the phone only used the name Oswald in one call. And that was a a call to the Soviet Embassy. In the call, "Oswald" said that he had been to the Soviet Embassy earlier. That's how the telephone intercept team knew that Oswald had been to the Soviet Embassy. But there was no way of knowing he had also been to the Cuban Consulate.

Makes sense to me. Use the mole to send disinformation.

Spying for the Soviets? That's odd. I think he was spying ON the Soviets when he was living there. I think Oswald was working for the CIA. And that's how the plotters were able to get him working in the right building at the right time to perform his unwitting duty as patsy.

I think that all this mole stuff regarding Oswald is manufactured.

You are right. The name Lee Oswald was mentioned in just one telephone call. So the embassy/consulate surveillance crews were aware of only what was said in that one call. And what he said was that he had been to the Soviet Embassy earlier and had spoken to someone there. The person making that call did not say a thing about the Cuban Consulate. Therefore, the only thing the telephone surveillance crews knew was that "Oswald" had been to the Soviet Embassy.

My guess would be Allen Dulles, James Angleton, Edward Lansdale, and David Phillips at a lower level. If you read about the Burris Memorandum, you'll see how the JCS would present an "annual" assessment of nuclear war with Russia. Allen Dulles told Kennedy that December 1963 would be the ideal time for America to win the war. You can read about it here: https://prospect.org/world/u.s.-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963/ I don't know specifically which of the JCS were involved in the plot. No matter how you cut it, the CIA had to have been the plotters. How else can you explain the false flag operation to blame the Cubans/Russians? Nobody but the CIA could have done that. How else do you explain getting Oswald into the right building at the right time to perform his duty as unwitting patsy? Oswald must have been controlled by the CIA, and the TSBD must have been a front company. There's just no way around it.