Micah Mileto
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In such a delicate study, just summarizing what a witness said isn't enough.
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19 minutes ago, Chris Bristow said:
Interesting points. I had wondered why I did not see any specific documentation of her setting up for a surgery. I thought it would be presumptuous for her to not follow Dr Jones's instructions based on a few early opinions. But Dr Clark halted the resuscitation efforts as soon as he noted to the others that the wound was " unsurvivable". Considering he was a neurosurgeon and had a good understanding of the bone structure of the head, his description of the head wound as a blasted out section of the "occipital parietal" also supports Bell's observations.
Not to belabor the point, but Dr Grossman said when he entered the room Clark was "Holding JFK's head in his hands". Clark noted the gushes of blood and brain matter pulsating from the wound due to the chest massage from inches away. There is no doubt That this neurosurgeon made a very sober and informed observation of the wound location that day. Based on that he made the monumental and historic decision to give up on the most powerful man in the world.
Dr Baxter was also a neurosurgeon and we find out from his written report(ARRB) from 11/22 that he referred to the wound saying "The occipital bone was missing." Nurse Bell's observations are well corroborated.Who set up the trach tray is ambiguous. The hospital report of Nurse Margaret Margaret Hinchliffe, AKA Hinchcliffe/Henchcliffe, reads “...I opened a tracheostomy tray and gloves for the doctors” (WC Vol. 21, pp. 239-240, Price Exhibit No. 30). Dr. Perry was also reportedly assisted by Drs. Robert McClelland and Charles Baxter. As explained by Dr. Paul Peters in his Warren Commission testimony on 3/24/1964, “Dr. Perry was there and he and Dr. Baxter were doing the tracheotomy and we asked for a set of tracheotomy tubes to try and, get one of the appropriate size. I then helped Dr. Baxter assemble the tracheotomy tube which he inserted into the tracheotomy wound that he and Dr. Perry had created”... “Dr. Perry and Dr. Baxter were doing the tracheotomy and a set of tracheotomy tubes was obtained and the appropriate size was determined and I gave it to Baxter, who helped Perry put it into the wound” (WC Vol. 6, pp. 68-72 [text]).
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5 hours ago, Pat Speer said:
In retrospect, she may have left before the incision was performed. People tend to over-estimate time in dramatic situations. The thought occurs that maybe she was only there for a minute or two, just after Perry took over from Carrico, but before the tracheotomy was performed.
I'd like to re-assess her credibility but don't have access to all I need. The article Micah discovered is behind a paywall. If you could send that my way, Micah, it would be appreciated. I see as well that there was an HSCA interview? Has that been published? Is that available?
newspapers.com newspages has an OCR feature that allows anybod to read the scanned text, also it allows anybody to look at whole clippings. Newspapers.com is pretty cool, like a Google for the past. FamilyTree and NewspaperArchives are cool too.
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1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:
In retrospect, she may have left before the incision was performed. People tend to over-estimate time in dramatic situations. The thought occurs that maybe she was only there for a minute or two, just after Perry took over from Carrico, but before the tracheotomy was performed.
I'd like to re-assess her credibility but don't have access to all I need. The article Micah discovered is behind a paywall. If you could send that my way, Micah, it would be appreciated. I see as well that there was an HSCA interview? Has that been published? Is that available?
https://web.archive.org/web/20150508082432/https://www.whokilledjfk.net/audrey_bell.htm
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7 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:
The throat wound was tiny, assisting in a tracheostomy through, she may not have noticed it specifically as things progressed. She did notice the large exit wound in the back of the head.
Perry said that he initially wondered if the throat wound was just the beginning of a tracheostomy.
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49 minutes ago, Chris Bristow said:
Not remembering seeing the throat wound is not the same as actually never seeing the throat wound.
Also,In a November 1988 newspaper article, Dr. Ronald Jones, Nurse Audrey Bell, and Parkland assistant administrator Steve Landregan posed for a photo inside of an emergency room at Parkland - an the caption says "Jones and Bell worked to save Kennedy, although Bell knew at once his wounds were fatal" : https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/132394283/
Although this stops just short of having another witness to corroborate Bell being in Trauma Room One.
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1 minute ago, Pat Speer said:
One would expect a crappy witness to sieze the opportunity to say the throat wound looked like an entry.
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14 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:
Nothing in the 1967 paper indicates against the notion that a doctor showed her the head wound. She said she saw the head wound after mentioning standing near Perry.
During Harrison Livingstone's 1992 Dallas conference, Audrey Bell said "I remember Dr. Perry turned Kennedy's head to show me the wound", she then turned to Dr. McClelland and said "or it could've been you". McClelland didn't give a reply, but nevertheless, the interaction suggests an air of honesty.
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When Nurse Audrey Bell was interviewed by the HSCA in 1977, the record does not show her mentioning anything about seeing JFK's body. Beginning in the 80's, Bell would proceed to tell researchers that she was in Trauma Room One and that Dr. Perry or another doctor turned Kennedy's head to show her the extent of the large head wound. Many have been under the false impression that Bell never talked about being in Trauma Room One until the 1980's. A lucky Google search from me revealed a November 1967 paper authored by Bell herself, published in the journal of the Association of periOperative Registered Nurses. The paper, titled Forty-Eight Hours and Thirty-One Minutes, reads: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0001209208700474
Time stood still for us. It is nearly impossible to recall all that took place and all that was done in such a short period. When I reached the emergency elevator, I found that it was in the basement. Still in my street clothes and high heels, which almost sent me sprawling, I took the stairs and cut through the X-ray Department. At the door of the Emergency Suite, the administrator grasped my arm and it was a moment or two before she recognized me in the street clothes. "The President?" I breathed. "Go see what you can do, Audrey," she replied. "In Emergency Room One."
Three Doctors and two nurses surrounded John F. Kennedy. They were working with mechanical precision. One nurse, Mrs. Hutton, was adjusting the IPPB unit. She asked for assistance. I turned on the oxygen at the wall outlet. The machine started working and was connected to the endotracheal tube.
I helped cut the President's shirt from his right arm, and positioned the tracheotomy tray for Dr. Perry.
It was then that I saw the massive head wound. Even though the prospect of surgery-after viewing the proportions of the wound and the general condition of the President-was improbable, I rushed off in search of a telephone to call the Operating Room. [...]
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ALMOST FOUR YEARS have elapsed since November 22, 1963. In those years I have tried to identify some of the emotions I experienced during the days that followed the tragedy. The first feeling I had is probably one shared by most other Americans: a feeling of disbelief, a refusal to believe that such a thing could happen-only, my feeling was perhaps all the more severe because of my close personal involvement. In fact, the shock was so great that I actually had temporary amnesia during the time. I could remember nothing of what had happened in the weeks prior to the horrible event.
Even today, my memory of what happened in the hospital during the days ensuing the tragedy, is vague and unclear. Time was a continuum with no stops, no differentiation between hour and hour, day and day.
The human mind is peculiar in the way it reacts to great stress. When the pressure becomes too great to bear, for a consciousness to focus upon something, the mind invents an escape. It was long after the tragedy that I realized how absurd many of the things I was thinking were, under the conditions.
Perhaps the first thing that struck me when I saw President Kennedy on the Emergency Room table, fatally wounded, was that he was such a tall man-too tall, I reflected, for his feet were overhanging the end of the table. I was surprised, too, at seeing him wearing a blue and white pinstriped shirt-I had always pictured the President as wearing only white. When I helped cut the shirt away from his arm, I recall trying to cut it up the seams, to save it from further damage. The tragi-comic nature of that notion was far from my feverish mind at the time. Perhaps, too, after seeing the wound , I secretly knew that our efforts would be futile, and I wanted to do something more, anything, to help.
I also hazily recall seeing a lady in a pink dress-a blood-spattered pink dress-standing close to the President in the Emergency Room. Some moments went by before I realized that she was Jacqueline Kennedy. She seemed quite composed . I know, though, that the composure resulted from shock. She was stunned. Later, in retrospect, I thought Mrs. Kennedy and Mrs. Connally were probably the only two self-contained persons I saw on that day.
I know that I shall carry the trauma of that experience with me for the rest of my life. I hope and pray no one else will ever have to undergo a similar experience. The intervening years have served to ameliorate the shock. They have not dulled the pain.
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On 9/4/2016 at 2:55 PM, James R Gordon said:
Robert,
On post 149 - I believe - I quoted the fact that to Weisberg Carrico said these slits were created by a scalpel which he witnessed happening. The fact that no-one else said that means nothing because no-one asked any witnessed what caused the slits and was it a scalpel. In addition, at the point this happened only Carrico and the nurses were in the Trauma room 1. It was shortly after that everyone else entered. At that point his shirt had been removed. Carrico was the only doctor who witnessed this. One member pointed out that no-one else confirmed this. Of course not: no-one else was in the room when it happened.
Another element of the problem is defined by Carico who when asked Alan Dulles about the throat wound physically pointed on his person where it was. At this point no-one else was in Trauma room1. The other staff enter very shortly. So no-one else was able to say where the wound was or what it looked light.
Mr. DULLES. Will you show us about where it was?
Dr. CARRICO. Just about where your tie would be.
Mr. DULLES. Where did it enter?
Dr. CARRICO It entered?
Mr. DULLES Yes.
Dr. CARRICO At the time we did not know -
Mr. DULLES I see
Dr. CARRICO. The entrance. All we knew this was a small wound here.
Mr. DULLES. I see. And you put your hand right above where your tie is?
Dr. CARRICO. Yes, sir; just where the tie -
Mr. DULLES. A little bit to the left.
Dr. CARRICO. To the right.
Mr. DULLES.. Yes; to the right.
Dr. CARRICO. Yes. And this wound was fairly round, had no jagged edges, no evidence of powder burns, and so forth. H3 361-362
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/jamesg27/Shirt_zpsucuuqedg.jpeg
As I understand it buttons of the kind worn on JFK’s shirt were around 1cm in circumference, That means the - inside slit and smaller slit - would be around 1.484cm. Whereas the - outside slit and larger slit - would be around 1.883cm. There may well be a definitive reference to the size of each - which I do not have.
Most important Carrico says that the wound “was fairly round, had no jagged edges, no evidence of powder burns.” So a small round object creates two vertical slits. In addition the first slit is smaller than the second - something that does not normally happen.
If you look at the FOX 1 image you will still see the lower half of this wound. The upper half has been destroyed by the tracheotomy. The shape and size of this shape supports what Carrico says. So whatever it was that created this small round hole went on to create two fabric damages on JFK’s shirt that are both vertical and different in size. In addition the outer slit - aside from being larger than the inner one - starts above the point where the inner one starts.
The use of scissors was mentioned in a Philadelphia Bulletin article from 11/31/1963, which included some exclusive quotes from Parkland’s Dr. William Kemp Clark. The article stated “Mrs. Kennedy watched from the doorway as nurses and doctors scissored away his coat, shirt and undershirt and struggled to reverse what Dr. Clark called the “irreversible process of death”” (Philadelphia Bulletin, 11/31/1963, Assassination Day–Step by Step by Adrian I. Lee and Hugh E. Flaherty [link 2] [link 3]). A t-shirt was also mentioned in Jimmy Bresin's LA Times article with Perry from 11/24/1963, and the New York Times on 11/30/1963 also mentioned an undershirt. However, no shirt besides the dress shirt was noted in the inventory of Kennedy's clothing, and a 11/23/1963 FBI document stated "there was no undershirt". Arlen Specter reportedly asked many relevant witnesses if they had knowledge of an undershirt worn by Kennedy, to which they said no.
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On 9/26/2023 at 2:20 AM, Pat Speer said:
C'mon, the "left temple" information is hot sh*t if you give it a chance.
On 8/27/1998, the Assassination Records Review Board held a group interview with Parkland Ronald Jones, Robert McClelland, Malcolm Perry, Paul Peters, and Charles Baxter. According to the transcript, after Dr. Jones specified that he was standing on the left side of Kennedy’s body, Jones said that he “...did see the very small wound which I thought was an entrance wound to the head. That was pretty clear”. The audio recording does sound like it basically matches the transcript in most places, although the version on the internet may be lacking in sound quality. The word “head” was not the clearest word in the sentence. Dr. McClelland commented “Dr. Jenkins, when I came in the room, told me as I walked by to come up to the head of the table and he said, Bob, there's a wound in the left temple there. And so I went to the table and I thought, you know, knowing nothing else about any of the circumstances, that's like that” - McClelland pointed to his left temple and continued, “-- came out the back. And there was a lot of blood on the left temple. There was blood everywhere, but there was a lot of blood on the left temple, so I didn't question that. And in fact, in something else -- Pepper testified somewhere else, he denied that he said that to me in the Warren Commission. And I told him -- I said Pepper, don't you remember? No, I never said that, Bob, and I never said the cerebellum fell out. Well, yes, you did, too, but I didn't argue with him. But the upshot of it is what that led to was Mr. Garrison's case in New Orleans, and he put together a scenario where he thought someone -- because of what I had said about the left temple bullet -- was in the storm sewer on the left side of the car and fired this bullet that killed the President, another gunman. He didn't say that Oswald was not there. He just said there was another gunman. And so he never contact -- Garrison never contacted me until it was essentially time to have the case in court”, “...And so I got a call one morning and it was from his office -- one of the people in Garrison's office, and he wanted to know if I would come to New Orleans and testify. And I said, Well, you know, it's odd that none of you had talked to me before this. I've been hearing something about it on television and whatnot. And they said, Well, we assumed that you still believed that the course of the bullet was as you said in your written testimony right after, and I said no. And his voice went up about three octaves and he said, What? And I said no, and I explained to him that I had learned other things about the circumstances at the time and that Jenkins had told me I didn't see any wound here. I was just stating what I had been told and that I wrote that down in my written statement right after the assassination. And so that was -- kind of took the wind out of the sails in that particular prosecution”. Jones then told a story about a Parkland employee named Dr. Lito Porto - “I have two comments relating to this, what's just been said and my comment. The afternoon of the assassination we were up in the OR and Lito Puerto -- I think it's L-i-t-o, Puerto, P-u-e-r-t-o -- was in the OR -”… “-- and he said he was -- that he referred to the President -- because he had been down there and he said, I put my -- he was shot in the leg. I said, he was shot in the left temple. He said, I put my finger in the hole, and I think that was part of –” - Although the transcript quotes Jones as relaying from Dr. Porto “he was shot in the leg”, in the audio posted online, it sounds like Jones may have not actually said the word “leg”, but instead paused after beginning to say “left”. In the group interview, McClelland then said “I never heard that. That's news to me”, and Jones continued: “And so -- in fact, I told Mr. Haron the other day -- I gave him Lito Puerto's name and his telephone number. I said you know if you're going to have the group down here, why don't you get Puerto down here to clarify that comment, if indeed that were the case or it's not the case But I think that was part of where some of that came from...”. When McClelland asked Jones “When did Lito say he did that?”, Jones said “It was that afternoon”... “It was my -- it was that afternoon, and I believe we were upstairs, but he had mentioned that he had put his finger into the -- and he was sort of known as the guy that went down and put his fingers in missile -or bullet –”... “-- wounds, and that was his comment at the time” (Transcript [text] [audio]).
I tried sending Dr. Jones a letter about this, but obviously he didn't reply.
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On 9/11/2023 at 2:36 PM, Micah Mileto said:
Does anybody have this Washington Post article from May 29, 1966?
From the Washington Post, 12/18/1963, Kennedy Autopsy Report by Nate Haseltine (Link):
PRESIDENT KENNEDY was shot twice, both times from the rear, and could readily have survived the first bullet which was found deep in his shoulder.
The second bullet to hit the President, however, tore off the right rear portion of his head so destructively as to be “completely incompatible with life.” A fragment was deflected and passed out the front of the throat, creating an erroneous belief he may have been shot from two angles.
These are the findings of the as yet unofficial report of pathologists who performed the autopsy on the President's body the night of Nov. 22.
The findings clear up confusions over whether the President was shot once or twice, and particularly whether one shot hit him in the neck from the front.
Now it is known that both shots came from the back, the first hitting him high in the back shoulder. It caused a hematoma, a pooling of blood, inside the neck and shoulder muscles, but no critical harm.
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The disclosure that a bullet hit the President in the back shoulder, 5 to 7 inches below the collar line, came as a complete surprise to doctors at the Dallas hospital The President, they said, was on his back from the moment he was brought into the hospital until the body was covered with a sheet after he was pronounced dead.
Dr. James Carrico, the hospital’s resident in surgery and first to examine the President, confirmed the fact that the shoulder wound was not observed.
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The Dallas doctors admittedly were in disagreement. Some believed the President had been shot twice, the neck wound being from a glancing hit; one of the surgeons explained over television that he was shot once once, and that a fragment from the bullet that hit his head coursed downward and emerged through the front of the throat.
The so-small and clean wound in the front of the throat led to open speculation that the President may have been shot from two sides, which the autopsy showed to be false.
From the Washington Post, 5/29/1966, An Inquest: Skeptical Postscript to Warren Group's Report on Assassination by Richard Harwood (Link):
The reasons for the Commission’s uncertainty on this vital point are well documented: [...]
(5) On Dec. 18, 1963, The Washington Post an other newspapers reported on the basis of rumors from Dallas, that the first bullet to strike the President “was found deep in his shoulder.” This report was confirmed prior to publication by the FBI.
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Deadline Extended
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[...] Some of the contradictions are relatively simple to resolve, however.
The first one involves the credibility of the FBI report of Dec. 9, which states that the bullet which struck Mr. Kennedy’s shoulder did not leave his body.
This report, the FBI said last week,was based on the medical evidence at the time. But there is other evidence that it was based on nothing more than hearsay.
The autopsy on the President began at Bethesda Naval Hospital at about 8 p.m. on the night on Nov. 22.
Wound Confused Doctors.
Two FBI agents who were present overheard Dr. Humes, Dr. Finck and Dr. J. T. Boswell speculate about the President’s shoulder wound. The doctors were confused by it because an incision made in the front of the President’s throat in Dallas obscured the exit wound.
Before the three doctors at Bethesda had completed the autopsy and before they had traced the path of the bullet from the President’s shoulder to his throat, the FBI observers left the room and called in a report that the bullet had not passed through the President’s body.
Incredibly, this verbal report became the basis of the erroneous statement that appears in the Dec. 9, five volume summary submitted to the Warren Commission.
The official autopsy report which contradicts the FBI was in the hands of the Secret Service, not the Bureau, and may have never been supplied to the FBI.
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On 9/11/2023 at 2:36 PM, Micah Mileto said:
This is from Robert Groden's report to the HSCA:
The Washington Post of December 18, 1963, after checking the report with the FBI before publication, stated that a bullet was recov- ered from deep within the President’s shoulder. This was again con- firmed in the Post on May 29, 1966. The fact of the recovery of this bullet fully destroys the myth of the “single bullet,” and that evidence of an additional gunshot during the assassination was suppressed.Does anybody have this Washington Post article from May 29, 1966?
Think I found it https://web.archive.org/web/20230920203346/http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/W Disk/Whitewash I Press/Item 01.pdf
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14 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:
It works perfectly fine, as it did when you previously asked the same question, only to later admit it was an issue on your end because you were using a proxy ...
Does these links work for you, or do they lead to a 404 page? These are what I'm looking for. It seems that nothing works even though it was working a few days ago.
EDIT: I managed to find most of the links I was looking for on the Wayback machine, with the exception of the links above.
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10 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:
Sorry, I just can't seem to get the website working now.
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On 9/8/2023 at 11:27 AM, Joseph Backes said:
What problem did you have? Maybe the problem was on your end, with your computer or internet connection.
Joe
Does it still work for you?
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On 9/16/2023 at 7:46 PM, Pat Speer said:
McClelland specifically said several times that he didn't see any small wounds in the head, but that he thought it was possible there could've been.
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3 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
Well we posted here about it, I blogged about it, it posted on the Lancer Facebook page, it was and is featured on the MFF Book listings but I'm not sure how it gets publicity unless folks talk about it? Unfortunately its not like there is a mainstream publisher with a PR Dept promoting it - although John's work work and findings deserve as much attention as the main topic of discussion on the forum at the moment IMHO - they include the suppression of evidence by both the LAPD criminologist and overt suppression and malfeasance in the treatment of the crime scene evidence.
Anyway, its on Amazon, by John Hunt and the title is Buried in Plain Site (which refers to the crime scene as the site)
If someone knows the name John Hunt, chances are they're all work and less talk. If there is ever a final word on the RFK Assassination, it would be best if there was an advertising budget.
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38 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:
JFK Lancer published his extensive work on the RFK case in a book last year and its available on Amazon. I think Stu managed to recover a good amount of his JFK material but as far as I know its not been put online anywhere was a matter of recovering everything that could be found on his laptop which his sister did save and make available. I'll ask Stu about the CE 399 material.
Anything he had up on the Lancer site has been archived as well, its just a matter of getting that site up again which has been a struggle but will be a priority after the upcoming conference.
Woah, I never heard about this goldmine being published until now. Should've had some advertising!
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20 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:
Larry,
In the film Parkland Doctors, it was revealed that right after Perry stopped talking, a well dessed gentleman came up to him and grabbed him by the arm.
He said words to the effect, "Don't ever say that again."
So yes there was pressure being applied that soon.
We need that film to come out already. 7 years is long enough.
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This is from Robert Groden's report to the HSCA:
The Washington Post of December 18, 1963, after checking the report with the FBI before publication, stated that a bullet was recov- ered from deep within the President’s shoulder. This was again con- firmed in the Post on May 29, 1966. The fact of the recovery of this bullet fully destroys the myth of the “single bullet,” and that evidence of an additional gunshot during the assassination was suppressed.Does anybody have this Washington Post article from May 29, 1966?
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6 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
Yes.
Gee, it strikes me that "bang......bang-bang" is not consistent with a lone gunman armed with a single-shot bolt action rifle.
How does the "bang-bang" happen?
A lone gunman could not have aimed and fired so rapidly, unless the first shot was at z190-224 and the third shot was quickly fired without aiming after 313. It is possible to quickly fire a MC if you don't aim.
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https://map.hood.edu/#!FAC_2014032684657
I hope it comes back, but there is always the chance that the College administration did not want to deal with so much copyright-sensitive material. Some or most of this stuff should be backed up on the Wayback Machine.
Edit: It's just their website's reaction to using a proxy.
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A small detail in the Nova doc from the National Archives.
in JFK Assassination Debate
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The autopsy protocol statated that the large head wound involved the temporal and occipital as well as frontal areas. The x-rays only show fractures in that area. It wasn't until 1966-1967 that the world fully realized the descrepancy of the wound location.