Paz Marverde

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

The best analysis I saw on this by an American was by Tulsi Gabbard.

I believe she should be POTUS, in 2020. Maybe, she could get RFK Jr. as her mate. By the way, he wrote and declared that JFK assassination was not a lonely nut work 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261263/JFK-assassination-Robert-Kennedy-speaks-death-uncle.html

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is convinced that a lone gunman wasn't solely responsible for the assassination of his uncle, President John F. Kennedy, and said his father believed the Warren Commission report was a 'shoddy piece of craftsmanship.'

Kennedy and his sister, Rory, spoke about their family Friday night while being interviewed in front of an audience by Charlie Rose at the Winspear Opera House in Dallas. The event comes as a year of observances begins for the 50th anniversary of the president's death.

Their uncle was killed on Nov. 22, 1963, while riding in a motorcade through Dallas. Five years later, their father was assassinated in a Los Angeles hotel while celebrating his win in the California Democratic presidential primary.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said his father spent a year trying to come to grips with his brother's death, reading the work of Greek philosophers, Catholic scholars, Henry David Thoreau, poets and others 'trying to figure out kind of the existential implications of why a just God would allow injustice to happen of the magnitude he was seeing.'

He said his father thought the Warren Commission, which concluded Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing the president, was a 'shoddy piece of craftsmanship.' 

He said that he, too, questioned the report.

'The evidence at this point I think is very, very convincing that it was not a lone gunman,' he said, but he didn't say what he believed may have happened.

Rose asked if he believed his father, the U.S. attorney general at the time of his brother's death, felt 'some sense of guilt because he thought there might have been a link between his very aggressive efforts against organized crime.'

Kennedy replied: 'I think that's true. He talked about that. He publicly supported the Warren Commission report but privately he was dismissive of it.'

He said his father had investigators do research into the assassination and found that phone records of Oswald and nightclub owner Jack Ruby, who killed Oswald two days after the president's assassination, 'were like an inventory' of mafia leaders the government had been investigating.

He said his father, later elected U.S. senator in New York, was 'fairly convinced' that others were involved.

The attorney and well-known environmentalist also told the audience light-hearted stories Friday about memories of his uncle. As a young child with an interest in the environment, he said, he made an appointment with his uncle to speak with him in the Oval Office about pollution.

He'd even caught a salamander to present to the president, which unfortunately died before the meeting.

'He kept saying to me, "It doesn't look well,'" he recalled.

Rory Kennedy, a documentary filmmaker whose recent film 'Ethel' looks at the life of her mother, also focused on the happier memories. She said she and her siblings grew up in a culture where it was important to give back.

'In all of the tragedy and challenge, when you try to make sense of it and understand it, it's very difficult to fully make sense of it,' she said. 

'But I do feel that in everything that I've experienced that has been difficult and that has been hard and that has been loss, that I've gained something in it.'

'We were kind of lucky because we lost our members of our family when they were involved in a great endeavor,' her brother added. 'And that endeavor is to make this country live up to her ideals.'

The city of Dallas will mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy later this year  with a ceremony featuring the tolling of church bells, a moment of silence and readings by Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David McCullough from the president's speeches.

'I think what we want to do is focus on the life and legacy and leadership of President Kennedy,' Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said. 'The tone is going to be serious, simple, respectful, and it's going to be about his life.'

The commemoration on November 22, 2013, will take place in Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy's motorcade through downtown Dallas was passing as shots rang out. It will be free and open to the public.

 

2 minutes ago, Anthony Thorne said:

Kagan actually did an interview during the past election cycle where he criticised Obama for not wanting to pursue a 'survivable' nuclear first strike with other countries

O-M-G

1 hour ago, Rob Couteau said:

Hi Paz, You can see my work here (below). I do mostly interviews with literary authors but now I'm interested in doing a series of conversations with some of the leading JFK-assassination authors.

http://www.tygersofwrath.com/publications.htm

 

Very interesting, thank you. Jim is for sure an excellent choice. He is one of the best researchers on JFK assassination, absolutely.

About that, do you know this documentary? It is by Metta, the Italian journalist and researcher who discovered that Gelli was recruited by Angleton. That’s why, before, I stressed that, for sure, there wasn’t this news in Morley’s book. Metta owns the Centro Mondiale Commerciale papers. CMC was a mask for the CIA. Clay Shaw, the one Jim Garrison investigated, was a CMC member. What Metta also discovered is that CMC has deep connections with Angleton and with the so called Strategy of Tension

Rob,

are you a journalist?

3 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

And yes that is notable about Angleton and Gelli, since P 2 was a really mysterious and sinister group that much too little work has been done on.

Yes, especially since two fundamental friends of Gelli, who immensely helped him reaching the head of P2 were part of Centro Mondiale Commerciale

On 8/1/2018 at 9:33 AM, James DiEugenio said:

Morley uses Thomas Powers as an authority on Helms.  Powers was his authorized biographer.  Helms sat for four long interviews with him.  There is no way in the world I would trust that kind of book. Powers used it to elevate his career as an author.

And this is apparently where Morley gets the angle that Kennedy authorized the CIA to go after Castro.  Morley does not note that the declassified  IG report states this is false.

Exactly 

21 minutes ago, Rob Couteau said:

But now I am suspicious of everything in this book including how he portrays this episode

Well, Rob, I agree with you 

30 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

So interesting that Clay Shaw had that name in his address book.

A lot 

38 minutes ago, Rob Couteau said:

Yes, and Morley does go into that in the book.

 

Not the recruitment of Gelli, Rob. That is not in Morley's book. It can not

Angleton recruited Licio Gelli, the P2 head, during WWII, and saved Valerio Borghese

1 hour ago, Anthony Thorne said:

WESTERNS ALL' ITALIANA

Absolutely wonderful. Sergio Leone made the best of them, IMHO. Thanks, also, to a very young Clint Eastwood, by the way. Giù la testa is my preferred, with a terrific Rod Steiger and an epic history of love, friendship and betrayal. C'era una volta il West has an astonishing Fonda. Nice to meet you, Anthony 

Anthony,

well, far more than a bit. Once again, congratulations, and thank you. 

By the way, what's the title of that film, please?

Anthony,

do you speak Italian?

7 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

This Pellegrini guy sounds like a real first rate investigative reporter. 

Jim,

Pellegrini is one of Metta's heroes. Absolutely

10 hours ago, Anthony Thorne said:

Paz will know more than me, obviously.  Edgardo Pellegrini is listed as a journalist for Paese Sera.  He wrote the 1973 book Gli Ermellini da Guardia: Magistratura e repression in Italia 1968 - 1973, which is listed in Ernest Mandel's book Power and Money as part of the literature on 'state-induced massacres covered up by the Italian judiciary'.  Pellegrini's (Italian language) book is here - 

https://www.amazon.it/ermellini-guardia-Magistratura-repressione-1968-1973/dp/B00BAT6XHO

The following articles confirm Paz's comment about Pellegrini and the Garrison case.  The article below talks about the May 1970 book Strage di Stato [State Massacre], which was a volume assembled by investigative journalists on the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing.  After the bombing, hundreds of figures on the left 'gathered information, testimonies and statements to provide an interpretative key to the events different from the official one'.  Information on the bombing, and the surrounding events, was gathered from all levels of society.  Pellegrini was one of the sources of information from Rome.  Throughout the 60's (and through the years of the Garrison investigation), Pellegrini had written for the 'foreign section' of the left-wing L'Unita newspaper.  Under the pseudonym of 'Samuel Evergood', Pellegrini had written various 'correspondences from the United States' (all of which were actually written by him in Rome) that had been sourced from various contacts within the USA.  So, when L'Unita was covering the Garrison case, Pellegrini was the guy who would have covered those US-based stories on the assassination, and who would have directly contacted figures in the US for information on what was occurring.  When the Piazza Fontana bombing occurred in December 1969, Pellegrini would have only just finished covering Garrison’s trial several months earlier.

http://www.magzine.it/una-strage-di-stato/

The article states

Michele Metta talks about Strage di Stato, and Pellegrini's involvement, here.

http://www.lantidiplomatico.it/dettnews-il_centro_mondiale_commerciale_ed_il_caso_pasolini__parte_seconda/82_19442/

In a commemorative edition of Strage di Stato, Pellegrini added an appendix where he discussed how he'd stumbled across Clay Shaw's membership of CMC-Permindex.

At the 1995 conference mentioned by Paz, Pellegrini was asked about the genesis of Strage di Stato.  Pellegrini responded that the group assembling the book had been inspired by the earlier examples of Jim Garrison and Mark Lane.

Strage di Stato was published on May 13th 1970, amid various concerts, lectures and theatrical performances, and was a big success.  It sold 20,000 copies immediately, and another 20,000 copies were printed two months later, in July 1970.  By 1971 there were five editions, and that fifth edition contained additional commentary.  The book was reprinted continuously up to 1977, by which point Strage di Stato had sold half a million copies.  And Pellegrini says the book was directly inspired by the work of Garrison and Lane.  This is no small thing.

Anthony,

amazing work. Thank you indeed!

Yes, there is, I add, a very peculiar story about that "Samuel Evergood", the pseudonym Pellegrini used. The reason was that l'Unità was the Italian Communist Party newspaper, so the USA would have never allowed a Communist journalist to work in the United States.

5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, note the title of the book, its an American Tragedy in Vietnam.

I beg to ask:  What about what happened to Vietnam and its people? Does not that count for something?  Anything?

 

Ditto

23 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Thanks Paz.  

 

That is something I was not aware of.

You are highly welcome, Jim 

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

There was?  Please inform me.

Here we go: Edgardo Pellegrini, an Italian journalist, in 1995, during a conference in Rome reveled he was in constant contact with Garrison's staff. I could give you more details, but they are in Italian ... A translation would be needed. Pellegrini was investigating Centro Mondiale Commerciale, at the time Garrison was investigating Clay Shaw 

On 31/12/2017 at 8:23 AM, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, I should add that if I was redoing that book in a revision I would have to include the stuff that was unearthed up in Canada through the Bloomfield archives, and also what Metta found in Italy.

 

Thank you very much, Jim

On 3/1/2018 at 3:03 AM, Gene Kelly said:

The two Carcano model 91/38 serials C2766 and 2766, with other millions, were manufactored in Italy at the Regia Fabbrica d'Armi of Terni, Umbria

Gene,

the most important on this is that the Italian Andreotti was directly involved in a dossier by SIFAR, the Italian intelligence, on that Carcano. The name of Andreotti is side by side, in a document, with a CMC-Permindex member. That document explains they were both to utilize in a dirty war against communism including the use of terrorism

On 3/1/2018 at 3:02 AM, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, according to Bill Turner, Garrison did not pursue the Permindex connection in court because he did not think he could connect it to the plot, and also because he could not send someone to Italy to investigate it on the ground.

In retrospect I think that was a questionable decision, because at the very least it would have tarnished the Mr. Clean sheen that Shaw and his allies had wrapped around him so effectively.

Jim,

there was actualy a direct contact between Garrison's entourage and Italians. I know how it happened and who was involved 

14 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

I will forever view the Garrison effort in a much different light. 

Gene,

Garrison was the one giving the real key to understand what's behind JFK assassination, as Jim DiEugenio says in his interview I published here, and in his beautiful book. How much Garrison was right is further demonstrated by Michele Metta's research. In fact, as said at the end of this same interview, Metta finally found out the Centro Mondiale Commerciale-Permindex papers. They show totally new, impressive evidence. They show that Clay Shaw, in CMC, was surrounded by an astonishing number of people connected to CIA's dirty works, to the so called Strategy of Tension, and to P2, a fascist masonic lodge headed by Licio Gelli and implicated in operations that killed so many innocent men, women, and children, and highly resembling the aspects of Operation Northwoods. And they show the existence of a pact between freemasonry and CIA against JFK. A pact directly involving CMC members, as you can see watching this documentary:

I please also recommend this video:

So, we all have an infinite debt towards Jim Garrison and his legacy 

1 minute ago, Paul Trejo said:

James Di Eugenio is a biased reviewer

Jim DiEugenio (write his name the RIGHT way, please) is my friend, and he is an extremely skilled researcher. You, instead, have the attitude of not respecting this forum rules

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/caufield-jeffrey-h-m-d-general-walker-and-the-murder-of-president-kennedy

"If the reader is interested in knowledge about the inner workings of the radical right back in the fifties or sixties, then this is a useful book. But as far as relating that group to the murder of JFK, it is simply a dud. And a pretentious, bombastic, overlong and tedious dud at that. In this reviewer’s opinion, it is the worst book on the JFK case since Ultimate Sacrifice, concludes Jim DiEugenio."

5 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

According to the recent book by Jeff Caufield

Did you read the article I posted, Paul Trejo? Did you watch the documentary I posted?