1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

I think you are reaching, and making a few assumptions along the way that are incorrect. If 600 people were eventually arrested that doesn’t mean that was the sum total. You keep repeating that number as if it indicates the press that filmed it purposely exaggerated the numbers. You view the national security state and media as a monolith. Why? Are there not any number of journalists and Congresspeople that don’t fit that mold? I have only watched a tiny amount of coverage, but when I do I’m struck with how much fear there was inside, and among the DC cops who stayed and tried to protect Congress. Trump has moved with his lawyers to block his communications, so how can you assert there was no planning beforehand? It seems obvious that there was. 

 

 

Paul--

Fair questions. 

Unfortunately, yes, I find M$M and the Deep State-national security state increasingly monolithic.  

What we saw for 50 years after the JFKA...is now the norm, but on steroids, regarding any news event. The narrative is what matters, not the facts.  

There are some rare exceptions in journalism, but not in the M$M, such as Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald and Aaron Mate, and, of course, Oliver Stone.

On occasion, M$M'er Tucker Carlson takes a potshot at the national security state, but no real reporting.  

Yes, there was a larger crowd than 600 outside the Capitol on 1.6, and those that remained outside the Capitol were exercising their right to protest, and that is fine.  I hope you accept the right of people to protest.

Those that entered the Capitol were breaking the law, and should have been arrested and were. 

The 600 who entered the Capitol might be suspected of trying to foment an insurrection, however meager the chances were that the vast apparatus of the federal government would go along with their lunatic plan. 

So...the national security state can seize all texts, e-mails and phone records of anybody they want to, and have proven as much by seizing texts of people inside the Capitol sent out on 1.6 (with full and immediate cooperation of the people who run our communication networks). 

There is no evidence anyone inside the Capitol was operating on instructions from anyone inside the Trump Administration. No texts, no e-mails, no phone records. 

On the other hand, AG Merrick Garland has refused to answer questions on how many federal agents were in the scrum on 1.6. 

I would say based on the above, the 1.6 event was a nothingburger. There is "no there there," based on the people arrested inside the Capitol. 

OK, you have suspicions, and I have suspicions. 

Our suspicions are...well, only suspicions 

4 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Kirk - good post. I have little hope that Congress will get tough. We are currently learning that Trump and his people were in cahoots with the insurrectionists, after months of hearings, ignored subpoenas and the like. But wait - didn’t we know that within a few days of Jan 6th? Sadly it seems that they don’t have the stomach to fight back, even with the law on their side. Garland could order Bannon’s arrest. Will he? If not, why not? And what would have come of it had Bannon obeyed the subpoena? Nothing. The people, us, have pretty much given up on mass demonstrations. We prefer petitions and wishful thinking. We can’t even protect our elections. And we ‘liberals’ are being divided against ourselves with cancel culture, wokeness, cultural appropriation, Critical Race Theory. It’s a slow moving but well conceived coup, one that began in the 1960’s and really got going in the late 1970’s.

Paul-

What evidence do you have that the 600 occupants of the Capitol on Jan. 6 were taking instructions from Trump Administration officials or employees? 

Are there any texts, e-mails or phone calls indicating such?

Any primary evidence? 

Remember, the modern-day national security state is a panopticon. They have all your e-mails, texts and phone calls, and mine too. And of anyone reading this. 

Yet...not one arrestee charged with cooperating or conspiring with the Trump Administration! 

Not one! 

Why is that?

Could it be a total lack of evidence? 

7 hours ago, Andrew Prutsok said:

Do you know how many people were charged with treason after the Civil War?

Yes, but President Abraham Lincoln wanted to bind wounds, not put salt on them.  With horrendous carnage everywhere, it was probably the right decision. 

In contrast today....

We know what actors within federal government think about the 600 people arrested in the Capitol occupation. The occupants are deeply unpopular with the DC establishment. 

We know the national security state has access to all texts and e-mails, phone calls---a panopticon.  

But not one Capitol event arrestee has been charged with conspiring with Trump Administration officials or employees. 

So...where are the connections between the 600 lulus in the Capitol, and the Trump Administration? 

Can you cite a single text, e-mail or phone call? Any primary evidence? 

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

Your first sentence kind of stuns me.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

These are cases against the 600 people arrested either for being inside or near the Capitol building on 1.6. 

If the federal government wants to charge any of these people with with conspiracy, that is, conspiring with Trump Administration officials, they can. 

So...where are the charges? 

Moreover, accusations and charges are not the same as guilt.

I prefer the standard "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law." 

8 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

 

Ben,

      Here's the latest (archived) WaPo "1.6.21 narrative" about Trump's deliberate inaction during the protracted, violent attack on the Capitol by his fired up supporters.*  October 31, 2021.  No paywall.

      Congressman Mo Brooks told the mob to, "Go down to the Capitol and kick some ass!"  

      Frankly, you can't "both sides" this one.  I don't see anything at all here about Donks-- just 'Phants...  🤥 

      Not sure what Rupert Murdoch and his employees, Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson, will have to say about this damning evidence, but I'm guessing that they'll say as little as possible.

     And I'm still waiting for you (and Tucker Carlson) to answer to my old question.   How could the failure of Christopher Wray's FBI to help prepare heightened Capitol security on 1/6 have conceivably benefited anyone but Donald Trump?  Please explain.

      Let's recall that Wray was Trump's own choice to run the FBI, after he fired both James Comey and Andrew McCabe for refusing to abort the FBI investigation of Michael Flynn's December 2016 phone calls with Sergei Lavrov.

*  https://archive.ph/9btTd#selection-495.0-503.65

Bloodshed

For 187 harrowing minutes, the president watched his
supporters attack the Capitol — and resisted pleas to stop them.

Bloodshed

For 187 harrowing minutes, the president watched his
supporters attack the Capitol — and resisted pleas to stop them.

     

W.--

I just do not see any connections between the 600-odd people arrested for being inside the Capitol and the Trump Administration. 

Those arrested appear to be lulus, largely.

This I get from reading primary materials and arrest reports, and prosecutions, and real-time texts and NOT reading M$M, including that fount of disinformation (see the JFKA) the WaPo. 

Not one arrestee has said they were taking covert orders from anyone in the Trump Administration. 

Some arrestees have pled they took encouragement from statements made in public by President Trump. But Trump also advised people to protest peacefully on Jan. 6. 

On the other hand, there is mounting evidence there were many, many federal infiltrators in Oathkeepers, the Patriot Boys and in the "Wolverine Watchman," the group that plotted (we are told by federal informants and assets, who were the majority of the group) to kidnap Governor Whitmer and "storm the (Michigan) Capitol."  That rhymes, no? 

Have you some primary-material type evidence of covert instructions between the 600 arrestees and Trump? 

I am open to read any and all primary materials. 

In terms of PR, 1.6.21 was a huge coup for the Deep State-media blob, much like 9.11.

Trump was the loser from 1.6.

I cry not for the detestable Trump, but that the M$M is so deeply corrupted by the national security-Deep State.

Remember, Brian Sicknick was bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher and murdered by racist Trump supporters, who were also heavily armed. 

(Actually, only one of those arrested on 1.6 carried a firearm...and who mysteriously was released on his own recognizance on 1.7, and prosecution against him appears to have been stopped or seriously stalled. That is Christopher Alberts.  Read the primary materials and please explain this situation to me. A federal plant? 

However, I will read the archived copy you suggest, and keep an open mind...as I recommend to all. 

And I recommend reading primary materials, rather than press accounts. Think about the JFKA---would you read primary materials or watch the CBS Special for info? 

9 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

There's an easier way through this.

It's called transparency.

That appears to be a huge problem with a certain individual/s who uses the same M.O. for all the sh__t they don't want revealed.

Does the fight for the release of income taxes sound familiar?

https://mynorthwest.com/3192674/trump-files-lawsuit-to-block-release-of-jan-6-documents/

I'm quite sure that clown believes if he can delay it long enough, he'll be back in the presidency again and the 1-6 events- insurrection investigation will miraculously disappear.

 

 

 

I dearly hope the GOP finds a candidate with some of Trump's virtues---his takes on China, "free trade" and illegal immigration control---but minus Trump's awful personality and character. 

BTW, in the US they keep talking about "labor shortages"---a wonderful thing for anyone who works for a living. It's a positive, not a negative, for 90% of the workforce. 

Under Biden, illegal immigration has soared. Keep in mind, the most aggressive immigrationists in US history were...the slavers. 

That's the new Donk Party. Tight with Silicon Valley, the globalists, the national security-Deep State, Wall Street and media.  They want more cheap labor in the US. 

It is possible to have three truths: Trump was a bad president, the Donks and 'Phants are completely corrupted by money, and the 1.6.21 narrative is hyperbole on steroids shot to the moon.  

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Knowingly denying the fact that an act of insurrection is in fact such, is that not insurrection itself? 

11.22.63 was an insurrection, but the M$M said it was a lone nut.

1.6.21 was some nuts, but the M$M said it was an insurrection. 

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

What’s your theory?

Paul-

Hello. I guess you mean me. 

To soon to tell.  Keep in mind that WaPo is deeply embedded into the Deep State and the Donk Party. And the GOP is no better. 

1. Theory No 1: Just a scrum, got out of hand. Capitol Police, Metro Police, and National Guard, despite huge forces, just bady, badly bungled the response, and seemed to stand down. Some Trumpers may have made phone calls or had meetings, but so what. You are talking about 600 lulus in the Capitol. This was a takeover of the federal government? Within hours the occupiers are moved to the Capitol lawn and arrested. In real life, a nothingburger.

But great narratives for the Deep State to promulgate---remember, always be afraid of domestic subversives and foreign invaders-interlopers.

The FBI says they have uncovered no plots. The NYT says embedded assets say there were no plots. So where are the plots? 

Theory No. 2. The reason the FBI nows says it uncovered no plots is because federal assets were the prime movers behind the small number of semi-organized groups that did show up--Oathkeepers and Patriot Boys, in particular. It was federal instigators that prompted the occupation of the Capitol, as they had tried to do with the Michigan Capitol. A replay of the Governor Whitmer kidnap narrative.  This follows the same pattern as FBI assets arresting halfwit Muslims in plots fabricated by the FBI, and saying they were terrorists. 

3. Some Trumpers may have been stupid enough to think they could somehow halt the election and transfer of power to the Donks. They tried various ineffectual machinations, but if they though a bunch of halfwits inside the Capitol would do the trick...they were pretty deluded.

In any event, no one arrested at the Capitol yet has said they were taking covert instructions from the Trump camp. Not one shred of evidence in that regard.

Some occupiers say they interpreted Trump's speech as encouragement to occupy the Capitol--but not one person has said, "Yeah, I took orders from Bannon, and he said mass at the East gate. Check my phone if you don't believe me."  Not one. So...where is the plot, the conspiracy? 

Of course, a mix is possible---some Trumpers may have egged on some in the scrum (no evidence so far), while FBI assets were doing the same (some evidence so far). 

I still puzzle how 6,000 armed and trained police could not prevent 600 lulus from occupying the Capitol, many of whom texted they "were let in" in real time.

My best guess is Jan. 6 is a nothingburger, but a great PR narrative. 

Side note: The WaPo says they have devoted 75---75!---reporters to the Jan. 6 story. 

When Jefferson Morley worked at the WaPo, he told his editors he would like to look into the JFKA as part of his beat. They told him no.

So...the WaPo put 75 reporters onto Jan. 6 narrative, and never even one onto the JFKA story. 

But hey, the WaPo is woke. 

The Jan. 6 story belongs in National Aquarium, or a Star Kist tuna plant. Fishy. 

OK, I doubt anyone will change their minds ever on anything, but this discussion may be a good balance for many. The first 20 minutes can be skimmed over, and the discussion bogs down here or there but still well worth listening to. 

I did not realize, for example, that the majority of the Governor Whitmer plotters were actually federal assets, and that plans had been hatched to "storm the Michigan capitol." 

That rhymes, no?

It appears likely Stewart Rhodes, top man at the Oathkeepers is a federal asset, while the Afro-Cubano leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, has been a federal asset in the past, and may still be. 

Then as heavily infiltrated groups appeared at the Capitol, a few scrums at the gates...and the police melt away. 

Mr. Buffalo Horns, the penniless Phoenix gadfly who entered the Capitol after defenses had been abandoned, is arrested and put in prison ever since...but Stewart Rhodes has never even been charged, despite the fact that when the federal government charges other Oathkeepers, they cite Rhodes-authored literature as good reason for prosecution. 

This Jan. 6 story is not a story, it is a narrative. The narrative is getting fishier and fishier, and I smell a rat. 

8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Carlson?  Sounds like you've drank the koolaid.

Or coffee. 

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ben,

     False equivalence.

     The JFK assassination and 9/11 were black ops (and psy ops.)  January 6th was a ghastly Trump coup attempt.

     We now know for a fact that Trump and his advisors (including John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani, and Steve Bannon) were attempting to block the certification of the election results.  Eastman had mapped out a strategy to steal the election, and blamed Mike Pence for the failure of the plot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eastman-pence-email-riot-trump/2021/10/29/59373016-38c1-11ec-91dc-551d44733e2d_story.html

     We also know that Donald Trump, and some Republicans in Congress, actively mobilized their supporters to attack  the U.S. Congress on January 6th. 

     Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colorado) was texting Pelosi's location during the mob attack.

     Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Alabama) wore body armor to the Capitol on January 6th, and gave a fiery speech urging the Trump mob to, "Go down to the Capitol and kick some ass!"

     That's not a "false flag."  The people in the mob who assaulted the Capitol Police and desecrated the Capitol were Trump supporters, acting on directives from Trump and his Republican accomplices.  They weren't flying any "false flags."  They were flying Trump flags, Gadsen flags, and Confederate flags.

W.--

Even if what you say here is true...it does not rule out the possibility, now looking like a probability, that federal plants, instigators or provocateurs were in the scrum on Jan. 6.

Nor are there answers to who enabled some participants to get to Washington ---who gave Mr Buffalo Horns the $500 to go to DC?

And why is Mr. Buffalo Horns still in prison while other individuals, seen in videos exhorting participants to enter the Capitol...are not even prosecuted? 

Also...why did the Capitol Police abandon their posts? Most protestors inside the Capitol say they were let in, and texted in real time that they entered the Capitol unmolested. That is primary evidence, not M$M narrative. 

You leave unanswered how the Capitol Police, and the Metropolitan Police, with 6,000 armed and trained officers, could not prevent an occupation of the Capitol by 600 unarmed, untrained protestors. Both those departments report to Donks. There were even several hundred National Guard already on DC streets on Jan. 6.

As my late great Uncle Jerry used to say, "This story gets fishier and fishier, and I smell a rat." 

This 1/6 M$M scaremongering is looking like another Russiagate hoax. 

Remember, the Deep State went after Julian Assange...and Carter Page. 

Trump is a buffoon. But that does not change the nature of the M$M and its lapdog Deep State narratives. 

You might watch Carlson's presentation first before dismissing it.

People treated Oliver Stone's movies the same way. Denigrate and dismiss even before even viewing. 

8 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Geez... Patriot Purge-- just in time for Halloween... 🤥

Apparently Tucker Carlson and Rupert Murdoch's Ministry of Trumpaganda intend to broadcast their new "documentary" blaming Trump's January 6th Reichstag fire on the opposition.

W.--The official-M$M versions of the 9/11 event or the JFKA...are not believable. 

Now, we have 1/6. 

I applaud those who seek alternative explanations of events, when there is so much power and overt bias going into constructing official-M$M narratives on 1/6. 

Also, I assume whatever Liz Cheney says is not the truth.  

Keep an open mind. Perhaps Carlson's narrative will be biased. Perhaps, like many JFKA alternative narratives, it will get some things right and some things wrong. Or, perhaps it will be fairly accurate.

I will wait to watch Carlson's narrative before drawing any conclusions. And even then, drawing conclusions when the news environment is totally poisoned by M$M is a bit of a mug's game. 

12 minutes ago, David Boylan said:

Ron,

I'm also easily confused. 🙂 You're not alone.

Confusion is my default state.

Although, to quote my late, great Uncle Jerry: "If you are not confused, then maybe you don't understand the situation." 

Egads. Funny how the breaks are always against Oliver Stone and his vital, insightful work on JFK. 

8 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Ben:Yes, the real-time observations of "nobodies" carry more weight with me than synthetic M$M news. 

Synthetic M$M news?, Believe your eyes. It's called live film.

Ben:and only one protestor carried a firearm

 

But they  searched practically no one. Oh, Ok, I know what you're thinking Ben.  In America firearms are everywhere!. But  people can actually conceal firearms so no one can see them. 

Ben. I already obliterated your argument on that one, with your own arrest records, that you didn't look at in any detail. There was almost nobody arrested at the Capitol, except the most foolhardy. The vast majority of them were arrested days, months later from photo evidence,  their own tweets, postings. other witnesses and being turned in by associates and family.

 

You know, as I've said before. I think when people are  good at predicting the future, it's usually because they have a very good grasp on the present. My experience has been when you're not relentlessly driving home stuff we already know, you haven't been right about anything yet. Which is not to say, you couldn't be in the future, I suppose. But I'm sure, like fellow Libertarian, Barry Goldwater,  in your heart, you will always be right!

heh heh

 

But it is true,  you did get me thinking about one thing. If I was to go off to Thailand,it would be in part to get some peace of mind from this contentious, everyday American life, but then.... I'm an American.

But then you made me realize, if you're from any other country than America  and you leave that country for any other country than America.

Then....what else is there to think about, but America. Right Ben?

 

I'm sure no one will accuse you of being a Buddhist!

 

P.S. And about your brethren, your quotee Thomas Massey, whom I'm sure, as always  you thoroughly researched, and probably empathize with. He's sort of a pariah in Congress. He was the guy who called everybody in Congress to come back from their home states to get a quorum on the voting of the coronavirus relief package in Spring 2020. He did this so every member of Congress would have to publicly go on the record with their vote, because he was concerned that some Republicans like him, would lie about it later.  Which  on the surface could sound like a good thing. But the vote  turned out, like everything else to be almost straight down party lines anyway, so the net effect was that nobody later lied about their vote. He ended up just pissing off every other Congressman in both parties, and rendered himself completely ineffectual to the point that he'll forever be forced to follow because no one will work with him.

Finger on the Pulse, Good show Thomas!

 

Kirk--

I am curious about one aspect of your post.

Why did you switch typefaces half-way through? 

35 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

      Apparently, Tucker Carlson is planning to televise a new Fox documentary claiming that the January 6th attack on the U.S. Congress was some kind of Deep State false flag.

      But, as I asked Benjamin Cole in one of our old discussions on this very subject, cui bono?

      How did the January 6th attack on Congress, and the obvious security lapses, conceivably benefit anyone but Donald Trump and his Willard Hotel associates?

      I raised the question earlier about the FBI, apparently, having informants in the ranks of the Proud Boys and Roger Stone's Oath Keepers-- If the FBI had foreknowledge of the planned attack, why did their intelligence not result in heightened security to protect Congress and the election certification process?

    If anything, the implication is that the FBI was complicit in Trump's coup attempt.  Either that or FBI warnings were deliberately ignored by individuals in charge of Congressional security.

W.--

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/sep/26/fbi-mole-in-crowd-on-jan-6-files-show/

The NYT (see article above, which is NYT copy run by the Arkansas paper, but not behind a paywall) has already run stories to the effect that FBI informants/plants/assets informed the FBI that the right-wing groups had no plans to occupy the Capitol building. 

The Jan. 6 scrum was evidently spontaneous, or instigated by someone outside of the heavily infiltrated right-wing groups (indeed the Proud Boys leader has been an FBI informant and may still be). 

It could be federal assets instigated the Jan. 6 scrum. 

Yes, to your question, the Jan. 6 scrum has become a major PR victory for establishment Donks and 'Phants, and the fear-mongering Deep State.

Most of the public believes heavily armed rioters, who were white racist Trump supporters, sacked the Capitol and murdered Brian Sicknick, and planned a takeover of the entire federal government.  

Interesting parallel:

Tucker Carlson plans a special on the Jan. 6 scrum.

Establishment types are already calling for Tucker's special to not be broadcast or to be censored, or are denigrating and ridiculing the special before it has even aired.

This is what happened to Oliver Stone's "JFK" movie also, as well documented by James DiEugenio. 

I can tell you from reading primary materials, that people who occupied the Capitol texted in real time they were let in, as confirmed by their arrest reports. 

Curiously, the one fellow who was arrested carrying a firearm on Capitol grounds, Christopher Alberts, has disappeared off the map. This is what the feds say about Alberts now: 

"Status conference set for 9/8/21. Defendant remains free on personal recognizance."

That's it on Alberts. No word on what happened in the status conference. 

Another fellow, named Ray Epps, is in several videos exhorting protestors to enter the Capitol. He was on a most-wanted poster for a while, but then the federal government has lost interest in him. 

Meanwhile...Mr. Buffalo Horns, aka Jacob Angeli, aka Jacob Anthony, the Phoenix gadfly who merely stood inside the Capitol but became iconic, is still in prison.

"Plea agreement entered 9/3. Sentencing set for 11/17 at 10 am."

Add on: Neocon murderess Liz Cheney says Tucker's show---which again, has not even aired yet---is "lies."

Liz Cheney? Cheney is so, so concerned with the truth? 

You can't go wrong if you assume Cheney is lying, and proceed from that premise....

The "name tag" comment does seem funny, but perhaps it is referring to a caption on a photo (spoken language sometimes hops back and forth among topics).

Or maybe to the name "Oswald" in hand-drawn black ink on a helmet to indicate ownership, bunk rights, etc. 

12 hours ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

I have no sympathy for neo n a z i s who wear tee shirts saying Camp Auschwitz. As far as I am concerned the public will not be safe with these fascists running loose.    I heard them chanting hang mike pence. I saw them smashing windows of the US Capitol building.  Many said publicly they wanted to kill Nancy Pelosi.  These people are criminals and should be treated as such.  No sympathy for the devil this time.

Chuck S.--

I share your revulsion of Nezis and others. 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-kidnapping-gretchen-whitmer-fbi-informant

But it nows appears the kidnap plot of Whitmer never would have happened except for the involvement of federal provocateurs. 

This does not mean I think the other "real" members of the Whitmer kidnap party were nice guys. 

It does mean the whole story needs to be told. 

Ditto on Jan. 6. 

Who knows about the truth, but the Miami Herald, and reporter Nora Torrez, get credit for noting in 1979 the HSCA concluded there was likely a conspiracy to kill JFK.  The New York Times does not do as much, instead characterizing JFKA researchers as "conspiracy buffs" and the like. 

One aspect of the JFKA seems beyond dispute. There were any number of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in the US in 1963, and who knows how many, hundreds, perhaps even thousands, linked as assets to the CIA and military intelligence. 

The history is the period is well-known, with the Cubans believing they had been betrayed by JFK (possibly due to CIA propaganda), and perhaps even being told LBJ would right matters.  

The Warren Commission ignored this entire vein, and even the HSCA got sandbagged into Mafia hunts and the like. 

The Miami office of the CIA, which was also huge, seems to get mentioned time and again.  

Larry Hancock's "Tipping Point" book has serious insights in this regard.

On 10/28/2021 at 12:04 PM, Kirk Gallaway said:

 

Ben, regarding that woman, Are you  just going to dredge up every insignificant tweet from nobodies at the Capitol on 1/6 and insist that means something? Either that or  you become obsessed with somebody who you've called  "emblematic" like the buffalo horns guy? 

 

You always seen to be struggling with putting together 1/6 fragmented images in sort of a confused jumble. Maybe I can demystify this for you. There's a great abundance of film at the Capitol that day. Here in the states we had live feeds of some of the followers entering the open capitol taking cell phone pictures. These tweets you find compelling don't mystify us or make us scratch our head. I don't think the  majority who entered the Capitol originally  had an specific idea to break into the Capitol. Do you feel more validated  now? All this is common knowledge.

 

And here's something I think will be news to you. In the states we saw live feeds of police being over run by the rioters as well as police capitulating to the rioters!

 

You act like this guy in the Federalist article is really somebody. Why would one guy walking around have any kind of comprehensive idea of what's really going on that any of us should put any real faith into? Particularly a guy from a far right pro Trump publication?  We have a lot of film evidence.

Ben: If you read the primary documents, many, many of the rioters inside the Capitol texted in real time that they were "let in." 

What's a many,  many?. You also have a lot more definitive film evidence of people storming the Capitol, running through the police forces, in some cases attacking them, and breaking windows to enter. People can tweet anything. What's to stop them from lying and downplaying violence they may have seen?What is the more definitive evidence? Live film or tweets?

But as I said, this isn't speculation. We've seen some photo evidence of rioters being let in the Capitol. And that possibly couldn't be  because there are law enforcement who are inside Trump people?

Ben: 1)But the Capitol Police and the DC Metropolitan Police do not report to Trump, but to Democratic Party officials.

2) second option is that Jan. 6 was instigated by provocateurs, in conjunction with police, which would not be a first in history....

2)What you seem to be saying here isn't very clear.  Are you saying that certain police people could have been inside men" for Trump? Or is this what you've been alluding to a number of times now, that this is  some  Italian,Pelosi, Antifa, Pizza Gate conspiracy theory?

You always seem to be ending up insisting that Trump and his supporters are hapless victims. Like your phrase."velcro President" It's funny but it denotes sort of a  victimhood as if Trump is doing nothing  to merit the criticisms.

 

There are a number of films that can show you time stamped maps of where rioters were pushing through as legislators, including Pence narrowly escapes them,  if you choose to look at them. It will be a lot more enlightening then showing insignificant tweets or accounts from "nobodies."

Kirk, Kirk, Kirk (spoken in descending tones):

Yes, the real-time observations of "nobodies" carry more weight with me than synthetic M$M news. 

Sure, there some feeds of the scrum "overpowering" this or that lightly manned fence outside the Capitol. In some ways this is not media bias; obviously the most dramatic footage gets the news. 

But most people on Jan. 6 just walked in, and only one protestor carried a firearm (even that is not clear--it now appears the guy with a firearm was arrested outside the actual building, and that proceedings against him...have evaporated. So, it is alleged that one person carried  a firearm onto the Capitol grounds that day, while all the police were armed, and one shot and killed a protestor.  

Oh, boo-hoo for that little weiner Pence. I hope he was wearing his adult diapers on Jan 6. 

Meanwhile...you know, like my late, great Uncle Jerry used to say: "This story gets fishier and fishier, and I am beginning to smell  a rat." 

Add on: One reason to study the JFKA is to learn how government and media work together. 

What the public was fed through the M$M after the JFKA and then after the Jan. 6 scrum...is worth pondering. 

On 10/27/2021 at 7:57 AM, Matt Allison said:

DAP painting Oswald as a loony lone wolf is an "eye popping nugget"?

 

What in the actual f*** did I just read there...

Yeah...instead of hanging around post-JFKA to be the patsy in a CIA plot, or get shot, LHO ran off and tried to escape! A loony lone wolf! 

DAP says so! That's a nugget! 

16 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

Kudos to the late Mort Sahl for his sacrifices on behalf of President Kennedy. Sahl said in Robert B. Weide's 1989 PBS American Masters documentary about him, MORT SAHL: THE LOYAL OPPOSITION, "The social democrats in this country have a lot of guilt. They didn’t stand up to Vietnam. They didn't stand up to the encroachment of the intelligence community. And they walked away from Jack Kennedy. The most they could come up with after he was shot in the street like a dog was to say, 'He wasn’t that good a president anyway.' Yeah, let me tell you, he had a strange group of friends. Remarkably absent when he fell."

Things have gotten worse since 1989.

The Donks, and allied media, have embraced and become embedded into the national security state---and even want to enlarge, and increase censorship of social media. 

When the Donks link arms with Liz Cheney...you know it the game is over.  The ninth inning was played a few hours back, and we are in the parking lots now. 

See the Biden Administration and the release of JFK docs? I would call the Biden Administration explanation about why the JFK docs are not being released "pure excrement"---but excrement is useful as fertilizer, and I do not wish to denigrate excrement. 

On 10/26/2021 at 10:02 PM, W. Niederhut said:

The Federalist, Ben?  Surely, you jest... 🤥

The irredeemable irresponsibility of The Federalist

On the ludicrous sycophancy of Trump's media toadies

https://theweek.com/articles/773685/irredeemable-irresponsibility-federalist

Every time I read the actual primary documents on people arrested at the Capitol scrum...it sure seems different to what is reported in the M$M. 

This is Stephanie Baez, one of the "insurrectionists."

OK, like many in the crowd, she live-texted and Instagramed etc, during her stay in the Capitol, thus providing irrefutable evidence of her participation in the event. Not too bright for an insurrectionist. 

The photo of her may have been taken by an informant, since it is not a selfie. 

Here is some of what Boez texted: 

. 2 old ladies were some of the first people in the capitol building and they had garbage lids, pushing back cops. Those are the Patriots of today.

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Actually some of the very first people in were 2 old ladies that had trash can lids to push back security. So bad ass. 

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Lol I did! It was actually fairly peaceful when I went in, chanting, people talking to cops, placing stuffed animal eagles on statues. Aaannd police let us through the barriers, they only really messed up breaking windows. But its our capitol building, we pay for it. 

Some of the first people were old ladies armed with garbage-pan lids?!

I never read that in M$M. But then...it does not fit a narrative, no?  

One part of the complaint against Baez is rather creepy, and I have seen this on other arrest reports:

People are tracked by their smartphones. The federal government served a warrant on Google, which readily and quickly became a part of the police state by providing the location of Baez' phone during the time of the event. 

Oh, how nice. 

So, I have provided in this space some primary documents relating to the Jan. 6 scrum. The actual participants, in real time, were texting their observations.

These real-time accounts are much different in texture than the M$M journalism, and I think provide a type of balance. 

Like Dick Gregory, Mort Sahl was someone I admired from afar, for his work on the JFKA.  I always wondered about guys like Sahl and Gregory and what made them different. I look forward to to DiEugenio's treatment. 

Revising the JFK Cover Up: via Malcolm Blunt

The above recent article by James DiEugenio at KennedysandKing another must-read, and a reminder of the vast oceans of  perfidy, obfuscation and misinformation that followed the JFKA.  

The Biden Administration is planning to permanently wiggle out of releasing docs Christman season, 2022. What does that tell you? 

9 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

The Federalist, Ben?  Surely, you jest... 🤥

The irredeemable irresponsibility of The Federalist

On the ludicrous sycophancy of Trump's media toadies

https://theweek.com/articles/773685/irredeemable-irresponsibility-federalist

W.--

As I said, keep an open mind. 

There are truths and un-truths printed in the NYT...or lesser outlets.

Hard to tell anymore. Would you believe nothing you read in the NYT? Are they mere Donk sycophants? Often, but not always....

This fellow's account is limited to what he himself saw. Credible source. 

If you read the primary documents, many, many of the rioters inside the Capitol texted in real time that they were "let in." 

That is the historical record, in arrest reports. Indeed, being provided as evidence by prosecutors in open court, to prove the rioters were inside the Capitol. 

But the Capitol Police and the DC Metropolitan Police do not report to Trump, but to Democratic Party officials. 

Does it not seem likely Jan. 6 was just a scrum and the 6,000-officer police departments, for whatever reason, were woefully unprepared, leaderless for a while, and then cleared everyone out after a few hours? 

A second option is that Jan. 6 was instigated by provocateurs, in conjunction with police, which would not be a first in history....