17 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

But what good is it if it doesn't fit the facts?

Thanks for your comment. 

I assume you mean there is no evidence LOH was in, or not in, the so-called sniper's nest. Yes, I assume he was in the nest, and fired twice, intentionally missing. The Tague shot comes to mind. 

A bigger drawback to my theory is that LOH's cheek was famously clear of nitrates. But that test is a bit dicey, both false positives and negatives. 

I have fashioned my explanation to fit the facts, at least as I know them. 

I will in a couple of weeks post my article here. I think it withstands criticism, and holds water.  I look forward to your comments.

No, I cannot say my views "proves" anything, anymore than saying "Dulles ordered the JFK hit," proves that version. 

I will say my theory is more plausible than ones with a lot of actors and moving parts. 

19 hours ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

Benjamin, on your pet theory, who was Del Valle and others working for? Who approved their hit(s)? The US military would have known of the CIA plot and maybe they took JFK out ( or approved it)?

Chuck-

Thanks for your question. 

In my pet theory, LOH was run by DA Phillips, in a false flag fake assassination attempt. My guess is Phillips had to get tacit agreement from higher-ups and did so, no paper trail. 

OK, someone inside CIA either intentionally or maliciously leaks details of the false-flag operation to CIA assets in the Cuban exile community. 

The exiles show up in Dallas, perhaps drop names and convince LOH they are there to help him. Or maybe Del Valle just sneaks into the TSBD, while another colleague hides in/around Grassy Knoll. They wait for sound of gunfire, then commence shooting in earnest.  

I suspect the exile on Grassy Knoll area was a diversion, and just had a snub-nose .38 to release a lot of smoke and noise. Just two guys in whole operation though---no large conspiracy. 

So, in the whole world, only Phillips, LOH, and the two exiles (and the leaker) even had a clue to what happened. LOH correctly thought he was a patsy, and Phillips might have thought LOH shot in earnest, and the leaker might not know much either. Only that he leaked. 

I will explain more fully in long post in a couple of weeks. 

I like my explanation of events, as I prefer conspiracies with very few actors and moving parts. 

The real conspiracy was after Nov. 22, the cover-up. Then, people fall in line with the official story. 

3 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Really?  “Going all in” was never part of the BOP planning, Bissell never exerted any pressure on JFK to commit US forces, Dean Rusk gave Cabell a chance to plead that case D-Day -1 and Cabell demurred.

Robert Lovett (Brown Brothers Harriman banker) and Joe Kennedy tried to get Ike to fire Dulles.  Richard Bissell was brought into government service by Averell Harriman.  Dean Rusk and McGeorge Bundy were recommended by Lovett.

Lovett, Harriman, Bundy were Skull & Bones, while Bissell was tapped but turned it down.

Joe Kennedy was on the phone with his son throughout the BOP fiasco.

Joe Kennedy soon after the BOP: . "I know that outfit, and I wouldn't pay them a hundred bucks a week. It's a lucky thing they were found out early."

https://www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/bay-of-pigs-invasion-kennedys-cuban-catastrophe/

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That the United States had been behind the operation was soon reported by the press and revealed in the United Nations. Unaccustomed to setbacks in what had so far been a charmed political life, Kennedy was devastated by the Bay of Pigs disaster. An adviser who peeped into the White House bedroom as the operation was failing observed JFK crying in the arms of his wife Jackie. He called his father for advice every hour, yet did not receive the paternal support he had anticipated. “Oh hell,” Joseph Kennedy told his son,“if that’s the way you feel, give the job to Lyndon [Vice President Johnson].”

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Sure looks to me like Old Joe and the Yalies sabotaged the BOP in order to get rid of Dulles. 


 

Interesting interpretation. 

1 minute ago, Paul Brancato said:

Why do you think Oswald shot at anything that day? What would have motivated him to do so? 

Thanks for your comment.

Well, maybe I will do a whole post on my pet theory. 

Short version: LOH was run by DA Phillips. Phillips planned a Nov. 22 false-flag assassination attempt on JFK, by LOH. He was to shoot and miss, which explains the Tadue shot. Public outrage would ensue (heavily boosted by CIA presstitutes), and then "something done about Cuba." 

That was the plan. 

Eladio Del Valle, and perhaps others, somehow got wind on the project, and piggy-backed on it to shoot in earnest. 

Why did LOH participate? He was working for Phillips and Phillips told him to. LOH was a CIA asset. LOH wanted to advance up the ranks of CIA assets and this stunt would vault him to the top. 

7 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

I'm confused. Isn't this false flag fake assassination theory you've proposed a CIA plot intended to fail?

Yes, I contend there was a PR-stunt false-flag assassination attempt, but it was piggy-backed on by CIA elements. 

I do not think the CIA intended Bay of Pigs to fail---they intended to corner JFK into going "all in." 

I am confused also, but that happens a lot...

7 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

And as Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry said "No one has ever been able to put him in the Texas School Book Depository with a rifle in his hand.” If Oswald had lived to see trial, he would not have been obligated to prove his innocence. It would have been up to the prosecution to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Just because there are no witness on record saying they were with Oswald doing innocent things at 12:30 PM doesn't mean that he was in the sixth floor sniper's nest. It does not take a witness at the time of a crime for someone to be convicted of a crime or to be absolved with an alibi. The possibility that he could have been up there is not the same as a probability, of course.

Oswald was seen on the 2nd floor at 12:25 PM. According to the official story, he was again seen on the 2nd floor at 12:32 PM. At that time, he was reported as not noticeably perspiring or being out of breath. In my opinion, that alone is compelling circumstantial evidence suggesting it is most probable that he remained on the lower floors during the interval of time in question. When one adds the other factors (lack of nitrates, ect.) the probability of Oswald being up in the sniper's nest at 12:30 PM lessens even further, I believe.

I think you've made this statement before. There seem to be a significant number of assassination researchers who believe Oswald was photographed outside the building during the assassination.

Denny-

Thanks for your comment.

Yes, some people say there might be photographs of LOH on the TSBD steps. I have looked the photos. Some are too blurry to say anything. 

Others have been more or less confirmed as being of a fellow named Lovelady. Besides that, no one on the TSBD steps says they saw Oswald on those steps. As I said, no one says they saw LOH when shots rang out. He was invisible at the moment of the assassination. 

My take on that is that LOH was shooting at the President and intentionally missing, the Tague shot for example, which some people have estimated went 20 feet over the top of the limo. 

Amos Lee Euins witnessed the "real" shooter.  I never understood the way Euins has been buried by everybody. 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/euins.htm

That's my best guess. 

18 minutes ago, Dan Rice said:

Disinformation still lives.  David Atlee Phillips would be proud.

Dan Rice-

Thanks for your response.  

But if anything, the PR-intelligence apparatus of today is even more-powerful than in the 1960s, or the 1950s when Eisenhower delivered his famous warning. 

David Atlee Phillips would be proud---and very, very impressed. 

OK, as James DiEugenio has pointed out, there has been a spate of articles, and a recent book by former CIA Director James Woolsey, that either characterize the JFKA community as QAnon nut-types or worse, or again muddy the waters surrounding Nov. 22.

So why? Why now, at this late date, does there appear to be yet another PR campaign to sabotage any serious effort to understand the events of 1963? 

Over at JFK Facts, Jeff Morley's blog, we get a possible clue.

This is interesting.

Four years ago, President Trump promised to release all the files on JFK, and evidently there are still 15,834 CIA files not open to the public. Then Trump reneged, and left those files secret, but with a mandatory review in four years. I guess Trump wanted leverage over the CIA. 

OK, so then Trump loses the presidential election and Biden wins.

But the mandate is still in place, and the review is due this October.

So...now President Biden in October will decide whether to make the CIA files, approaching 60 years old or more, public. Morley more or less less considers that Biden is creature of the Deep State, and won't make the files public.  

So, in this light---the October mandate---it appears efforts are again being made to make the JFKA community look like a bunch of kooks. Besides that, an ex-CIA director, who should know, contends the real story was that Oswald was a Moscow asset anyway. 

This latest PR campaign will allow Biden to breeze through October, with no reckoning, or even little questioning, as to why such old files are still being kept away from the public. 

https://jfkfacts.org/cia-director-bill-burns-will-advise-biden-on-secret-jfk-files/#more-30908

BTW, a few years back I wrote about President Nixon trying to get Bays of Pigs files from the CIA, and getting stonewalled. 

President Trump CIA Nixon-word.docx

JFK (and his brother) served in WWII, when actual citizens served in the military, and not a   mercenary class. 

There were advantages to the draft military, and one was citizens like JFK who were not cowed by brass and titles---JFK had been in the military, and nearly killed in various events.  

The Bush Jr.s , the Obamas, and Trumps, the Bidens are at a disadvantage. 

I have never been comfortable with a mercenary military, for various civil and moral reasons.  

Perma-wars are one result. The insulting misnomer of an "all-volunteer" military is ubiquitous. But not accurate. 

I do not begrudge anyone seeking economic security in the shredded US economy, nor do I malign any individual's patriotism. These guys in the US military could be me, with a turn of events here or there in my life. 

But a citizen-soldier draft military is the true US tradition (although the US Constitution goes even further, and suggests (unpaid) volunteer citizen militias are preferred). In fact, founding father George Mason refused to sign the US Constitution as it did not have an actual prohibition on a standing army. 

The modern professional military-intel-foreign policy-globalist blob is not a US tradition nor true to our heritage, nor good for average US citizens and taxpayers.

 Don't look for Biden to shake it up. 

8 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

I don't see why not. Grunts do the grunt work. Fall guys take the fall. Scapegoats take blame. That's what they do. As Joseph Milteer said before the assassination, "they will pick up somebody within hours afterwards, if anything like that would happen just to throw the public off." Either Milteer knew this for certain or he made a logical assumption.

To believe that Oswald would agree to be a rifleman in a false flag plot would mean that he didn't make the same obvious logical assumption that someone would be picked up and assigned the blame, or Oswald had been assured that someone else was going to be the patsy.

Since Oswald knew that already fit the profile of a loner with Russian and Cuban sympathies, it seems hard to believe that he would be assigned a rifleman role and also assured that someone else with a similar profile would take the fall for an intentionally failed assassination attempt. If someone with Russian/Cuban sympathies wasn't picked up and assigned the blame, what's the point of a false flag operation at all?

Well, enough evidence had been concocted over previous months to make LOH into a public and known leftie-commie. So, as long as the Mannlicher-Carcano-Mauser rifle could be traced back to him, then the cover story that a "leftie-loser-Castroite LOH took a pot shot at the President but missed" would hold water. 

My guess is LOH was offered a safe house, new ID, more-glamorous undercover assignments, etc. The heat would be intense for a while, but "no harm no foul" and the incident would blow over eventually. 

However, you may be right.  Every organization makes mistakes, hatches bad plans. There are Edsels everywhere, and I have crafted some of my own. 

Still, what you are proposing is a very dangerous plan---frame a loyal asset, who might sing like a bird after a few years in prison. Or sooner. How would other loyal assets react to this?

I can't say I know a lot of intel-police types. I know the LAPD is very tight and never crosses its own. Are there other examples of the CIA setting up their own loyal officers or assets to be framed for murder? 

7 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

I don't see how the evidence supports Oswald being up in the sixth floor sniper's nest and firing a rifle that day, whether or not he was intending to miss as part of a fake assassination attempt. No nitrates found on his cheek, no prints found on the rifle until after his death, initial reports of a different rifle altogether, Elizabeth Adams not seeing Oswald descending the stairs.

Then you have Arnold Rowland seeing two men on the sixth floor at 12:15 PM. Who were they? Oswald was seen by Carolyn Arnold in the 2nd floor lunchroom at 12:25 PM, the same time the motorcade is expected to pass. Why wasn't Oswald in place at the sniper's nest? Was he really that incompetent, or was dashing up four flights of stairs and shooting at the last minute part of the plan?

My take is no one saw LOH at the very moment shots rang out.  Not one person ever said, "Yeah, I was talking to LOH when shots rang out."  Or, "We were loading boxes and heard gunfire." LOH was not photographed anywhere. 

As an aside, I always mention the testimony of Amos Lee Euins, a contemporaneous eye witness who says he saw the "bald" assassin (or one of them), and who (of course) was shunted aside by he WC. But the JFKA community should pay more notice. 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/euins.htm

8 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

It has always been my understanding that the CIA knew it didn't have enough forces to take Cuba and would have needed full air support authorized by Kennedy in order to succeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

 

 

That is my understanding too. The CIA believed it had cornered JFK into providing air support but JFK could not be cowed, and instead fired CIA leadership after the debacle, as I am sure you know.  

But did the CIA actively plan for and devise a sure-to-fail mission? They may have been deluded, but they expected to prevail in Cuba. 

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

To get the thread back on track, I'd like to interject that I just saw the tail end of a CNN special on QAnon, and it showed Kennedy in a quick montage of QAnon crazies.

So, yikes, it appears that CNN has jumped on the bandwagon of linking the JFK research community with QAnon.

Did anyone see the whole program? Did it, in fact, trace QAnon back to the JFK research community?

Thanks for the relief, Pat Speer.

Fox's Tucker Carlson, entirely out of the blue, recently decided to again rehash the "lefties invented the JFK assassination conspiracy stories to protect their fellow leftie Oswald" version of events. As I asked James DiEugenio recently, at this late date is there another effort to undercut the JFKA community? 

The Woolsey book also...it may be because President Biden again has the opportunity to open the the 15,834 remaining JFK files. See Jeff Morley---

https://jfkfacts.org/is-full-jfk-disclosure-possible-in-2021/#more-30893

Morley, quoting a friend, says Biden will squash the opening: 

Looking at Biden’s appointments to his cabinet, all of whom have close connections with the Washington Establishment, as well as Biden’s own past ties with the National Security State, the chance of these files becoming public are minimal.

So it goes....

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

To get the thread back on track, I'd like to interject that I just saw the tail end of a CNN special on QAnon, and it showed Kennedy in a quick montage of QAnon crazies.

So, yikes, it appears that CNN has jumped on the bandwagon of linking the JFK research community with QAnon.

Did anyone see the whole program? Did it, in fact, trace QAnon back to the JFK research community?

Thanks for the relief, Pat Speer. Yes, and recently Fox's Tucker Carlson, out of left field (right field?) suddenly ranted about leftists defending Oswald in a conspiracy theory....as of James DiEugenio a few days back in this forum, even at this late date, with the Woolsey book, and CNN/Fox shows, is someone is again muddying the JFK story? 

Jeff Morley on his blog has noted President Biden again has the opportunity to open up the remaining 15,834 still-secret JFK files. Morley thinks Biden will not. Morley quotes a friend---

Looking at Biden’s appointments to his cabinet, all of whom have close connections with the Washington Establishment, as well as Biden’s own past ties with the National Security State, the chance of these files becoming public are minimal. 

https://jfkfacts.org/is-full-jfk-disclosure-possible-in-2021/#more-30893

1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

What does Hunter Biden have to do with RussiaGate?

In 2016?  Hell yes!

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56d52ce8e4b03260bf780275

CBS Chief Les Moonves Says Trump’s ‘Damn Good’ For Business

Cable news gave Trump several billion dollars in free advertising, only occasionally corrected Trump or his surrogates when he lied about supporting the ‘03 Iraq War, and made the last 11 days of the campaign a 24-hour bash-Hillary fest.

Which comes right around to my question — why did the Deep State install Trump?

The fight is over voting rights, which the GQP opposes.

Cliff--We just disagree.

The Deep State is a blob, and not a monolith, but as much as it can be quantified the Deep State (aka the Shadow Government, The Double State, the multinational-globalist, national-security-intel blob) obviously backs the modern-day Donk Party, and is deeply apprehensive of the Trump wing of the 'Phants. 

But have it....

1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Right?  Hillary was “their” girl.  And yet they chose Trump.  This shows who was favored in ‘16:

As long as you don’t regard the base of the Democratic Party, then sure...

And yet Hillary’s nothingburger e-mails were the Big Story at the end of ‘16 race and the far more “newsworthy” Steele Dossier was buried.

Why?  What did they want out of Trump that they wouldn’t get out of Clinton?

One of my favorite subjects!

Crowdstrike found that Cozy Bear hackers had the DNC e-mails set up for exfiltration, but no direct proof they’d followed thru.

That’s probably because they didn’t need to follow thru, somebody else did.  A non-state actor exfiltrated the e-mails and turned them over to non-state actor Roger Stone who gave them to Julian Assange.

Black women got Biden in there.  He was broke and way behind until So Carolina made him a viable candidate.

Well, if there’s a faction of the Deep State devoted to a cull-the-human-herd philosophy, Trump gave them a big bang for their bucks.

 

Cliff--

We could do a tit-for-tat....what about the treatment of Hunter Biden's laptop as a "Russian disinformation campaign" 

Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

Really? You think the NYT, WaPo, Boston Globe, LA Times, CNN, MSNBC, CBS et al were "pro-Trump"? 

My point remains, and is germane to this forum: Keep on eye on how the "Deep State" and globalists run the media, and the country.  

I am aware the Biden was more popular with some ethnic and political groups than Trump, and those groups make up the Biden voting base.  

It is a fascinating time when perhaps it is dawning on the bases on both parties that the leadership is rotten.  It happened in the GOP first.  I hope they pick a better candidate next time. I hope it also happens soon for the Donk Party. 

14 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

You'll probably have as hard a time  proving that as we are pinning down if JFK was  said he wanted to" scatter the CIA to the winds." I'm not sure anybody really "coined" it anymore than someone coined "philosophical theories" or "stolen election" theories. What else would you call a hypothesis involving a conspiracy that is yet to be proven?

While I understand that it is a pejorative term for us, as it tends to throw us in bed with wackos such as Q anon. But what tight little phrase can you use to describe "the why" behind Q anon.? It's fueled by conspiracy (adjective) theories (noun).

Actually calling them "theories' are wrong. They are as discredited as theories as the flat earth beliefs. 

If you can come  up with a more apt phrase, let's hear it. But for example I'll make a statement and say the great proliferation of new "conspiracy theories" that have aired since Trump became President has caused greater skepticism and a general dismissal by  the everyday public to the JFK Assassination Conspiracy.

 

You may be right. There are a lot of whacko theories flowing around from every political stripe, and the first to coin any expression is usually blurry.   

Years ago I read a CIA document on how to treat prominent members of JFKA community, and my recollection is the advice was---

1. Imply they are seeking money and fame

2. Imply they are commie-lefties seeking to absolve a fellow commie-leftie (LOH)

3. Use the words "conspiracy theory." 

But hey, whatever, the above three tactics have been used, and abundantly....

36 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Like when they installed him in 2016?

Over the last 11 days of that campaign cable news obsessed on Hillary’s duplicate e-mails while the juicy, salacious Steele Dossier wasn’t reported on-screen until a couple of months after the election.

The question to ask is: Why did Trump avoid late-campaign bad publicity and not Hillary?

And it’s Democrats leading the complaints.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/26/971904219/syria-airstrikes-resurface-lawmakers-questions-over-presidential-authority

Cliff-

I always took the Clintons to be very tight with the US military-globalist-foreign policy establishment, which has morphed into the modern Democratic Party. Apple, BlackRock, Amazon, WalMart, Disney, NBA, etc. Profits before human rights, especially in China-Hong Kong. 

Biden is bombing Syria and hiding from the unionization drive at Amazon, in Alabama. That is the modern Democratic Party. 

My take is the globalists loathed Trump for his tariffs on Beijing's CCP, and his loose talk about pulling troops out of Germany (you know, 75 years after the end of WWII) and S Korea, and his lack of interest in pursuing perma-wars in the MIdeast. 

I am not defending Trump on his domestic policies, or his personality.  In fact, Trump can be criticized for not more aggressively pursuing a pull-out from the MIddle East. 

A deep dive in the whole Russiagate hoax is worth it.  

Trump is gone and good riddance. But the take-away is the Deep State is real, and working for the globalists-multinationals. They wanted Trump down, and they succeeded. They got Biden in there. 

Trump is not JFK. That is not my point. My point is to remain aware of the Deep State-globalist empire does to anyone who crosses it. 

----

1/3/17 The Hill

"New Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump is “being really dumb” by taking on the intelligence community and its assessments on Russia’s cyber activities.

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

“So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this.”

---30---

Of course, the very expression "conspiracy theory" was coined by the CIA to describe even earnest and solid JFKA researchers. 

The expression is used to "debunk" unofficial or unconventional explanations of political events. 

Note, the Russiagate investigation into Trump, which turned into vapors, was never dubbed a "conspiracy theory."  

I am not saying this to defend Trump the man. But it was interesting how the globalist-national security state went after Trump. 

Biden is back to bombing Syria. 

9 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Benjamin, imho many of the cia at the operational level wanted it to be a success.  A few at the top I have to wonder about.  Why did Dulles turn it over to Bissell?  Why was he on a Caribbean island for a youth conference at the time, unavailable.  There are more examples.

Some speculate Dulles and some of his associates and superiors were trying to force his hand on a choice of colonialism, war with Cuba and hopefully Russia for some of the military, or, embarrass him as weak on Communism.  Have you read The Devil's Chessboard by David Talbot?  Dulles wouldn't have hesitated to have used or murdered anyone.

Thanks for your comment. 

I agree that the CIA wanted to force JFK's hand, and not just on Cuba, but wherever US multinationals wanted a certain result. It gets even worse, as you know, with elements of the US military pushing JFK for a nuke war with Russia, which the US would "win." Egads. 

But getting back to topic, would CIA higher-ups actively plan and orchestrate the assassination of a US president, and then plan to make a patsy out of one of their own unwitting assets? 

This may be what happened. I prefer a plot with far fewer knowing participants. 

BTW, the fact that relatively low-level Cuban assets piggybacked on Phillips' false-flag fake assassination attempt (my version of history) hardly absolves the CIA, or the multinationalists, of incredible mayhem through the post-war era and continuing to this day. 

As James DiEugenio has pointed out, six million died in SE Asia after LBJ-Nixon, a bona fide holocaust, and for what? To read about Operation Phoenix, aka the Phoenix Program, is to be depressed for days, and that is if you are callous. Then My Lai, Agent Orange, hundreds of millions of cluster bombs in Laos and...well, too much to contemplate. 

And after the JFK assassination, the CIA did all that it could to deceive investigators and the public.  It may be some people were murdered, including Eladio Del Valle or Dorothy Kilgallen. 

Truman was right about the CIA, and so was JFK. And as Chuck Schumer said----

New Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump is “being really dumb” by taking on the intelligence community and its assessments on Russia’s cyber activities.

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

“So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this.”

The beat goes on....

11 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Wasn't the Bay Of Pigs invasion a CIA funded mission designed to be blamed on Cuban exiles who were in reality assets of the CIA?

That is my rough understanding. But the CIA wanted the Bay of Pigs invasion to be a success. They were not (wittingly) running a suicide mission, or setting up their own assets to be patsies.

Again, I am a bit sideways to the idea that the CIA set up one of its own loyal assets to be a patsy in the assassination of the President. 

Now, they might, with LOH cooperation, set him up as a patsy in a false-flag failed assassination attempt, and then grant Oswald a safe house, new identity somewhere...

20 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Benjamin Cole:

" I see David Phillips putting LOH up to a long-planned, false-flag but unsuccessful JFK assassination, and then a couple CIA assets, probably Cubans, piggybacking on the operation. Phillips wrote a near-confessional novel in this regard. "

BC, what book was that? When did Phillips write this? Could you give a brief summary?

"Well, speculation...if it were not for the horrendous gravity of the act, the JFKA would be the greatest detective novel ever written...."

It IS the greatest detective novel ever written!  When you combine all 2000 JFK assassination tomes together.

With half their physical weight being Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" book alone!

 

 

 

 

 

According to Larry Hancock, the author of Someone Would Have Talked, just before his death Phillips told Kevin Walsh, an investigator with the House Select Committee on Assassinations: "My final take on the assassination is there was a conspiracy, likely including American intelligence officers." (Some books wrongly quote Phillips as saying: "My private opinion is that JFK was done in by a conspiracy, likely including rogue American intelligence people.")

David Atlee Phillips died of cancer on 7th July, 1988. He left behind an unpublished manuscript. The novel is about a CIA officer who lived in Mexico City. In the novel the character states: "I was one of those officers who handled Lee Harvey Oswald... We gave him the mission of killing Fidel Castro in Cuba... I don't know why he killed Kennedy. But I do know he used precisely the plan we had devised against Castro. Thus the CIA did not anticipate the president's assassination, but it was responsible for it. I share that guilt."

On 2/24/2021 at 10:11 AM, Lawrence Schnapf said:

what a bunch of crap! just more disinformation. 

On the otherhand, Eladio del Valle  and Herminio Diaz Garcia were both in Dallas on 11/20. and yes- the strange co-incidence of Del Valle and Ferrie dying under strange circumstances on the same day............  

"On the otherhand, Eladio del Valle  and Herminio Diaz Garcia were both in Dallas on 11/20." 

Do you have source on this? And Nov. 20 but not 22? 

4 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Maybe not the bus part some speculate in spite of the Warren version.  Some even question him having a gun when arrested but the officers statements are there.  But after he changed clothes at least I believe he did get a ride to the Texas Theater.  Wasn't noticed walking or running through the neighborhoods I've ever read about.  There, as it turned out, there were Two Oswald's in the Texas Theater.

Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum (ipbhost.com)

Ron--Thanks for your comments. 

Well, the whole Tippit murder-Texas Theater fandango is yet another jigsaw puzzle of misfitting pieces.  It is informative that the arresting officer said to LOH, "Shoot, the President will you?" So they thought they were hunting the President's killer, not Tippit's murderer. 

2 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Benjamin - I guess I don’t see Oswald as that much of a CIA insider. I’m more sure that he was expendable. If he did have a clue he didn’t live to tell the tale. 

Thanks for your comments.

"Expendable" perhaps, though I would ask if we have any other examples of the CIA setting up their own assets to be framed for murder, let alone murder of a state leader. Most intel-military organizations are very "tight." Protect your own first, is the code. 

And should Oswald live and "sing" afterwards....hell to pay!

Well, half-baked plans do get hatched, and no one said the CIA is perfect. But framing your own asset in a bona-fide murder plot of a President...well, stretches credulity. 

The JFKA has all the elements of something planned, but something gone awry....

5 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

A better plan: kill Oswald within an hour, claim his confederates were still at large, blame Castro, then knock off additional patsies when convenient.

The capture of Oswald scrambled those plans.

Yes, I agree. I conjecture Oswald figured out he was the patsy almost immediately, and did not get into a CIA-provided escape car.  Lacking any options, he took a bus, then taxi, and got his gun.