Richard J. Smith

Saturday July 29 at 9AM US Eastern time, , the Discovery documentary Kennedy and Castro: A Secret History will be broadcast on the Discovery Times Channel. This is the story behind the back door diplomacy that took place in the spring, summer and fall of '63. It is essentially the Lisa Howard story.

http://times.discovery.com/tvlistings/epis...amp;channel=DTC

RJS

I'm fairly new to the case and don't post much, but have a couple questions that I hope you guys can help me with.

After watching TMWKK, the mortician who buried Oswald claims that the body had been tampered with when his body was exhumed in 1981. It is his opinion that the head of the "real" Oswald was put on this body.

What are your opinions of this?

There was no tampering of LHO's body.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/parnell/xindex.htm

Included here is the Norton Report and Duke Lane's 1992 essay Grave Doubts. I absolutely agree with Duke's assessment, particularly "There are enough strange goings-on, enough lies and obfuscations, enough unanswered questions about the JFK assassination without adding the improbable and unsubstatiated, into which categorization this scenario must certainly fall. It is preposterous and the facts simply do not bear out the theory."

RJS

As I've said for a few years now, and begging your indulgence, Lamp Post Man was the CIA case officer pictured at Long Tieng Laos, who may have been named Bobby Castillo-Leon. The comparison is much more than coincidental. (Richard J. Smith)

Hi Richard,

Nice to chat with you again.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Bobby Leon is Major Lopez, right? I have his real name but I'm a little reluctant to offer it here as his family would certainly take a dim view. He was killed in a bar fight in the early 1980's.

I also have the names of two 'Team 5' members and the aliases they used. Both men are dead, one of them killed alongside Tony Izquierdo in 1979. There is a very suspect public relations company in California who seems mixed up in all of this so make no mistake, people still care about distorting the truth some 43 years later.

These guys (Team 5) I believe were part of the back-up plan if Dealey Plaza was aborted. I submit they were positioned near the Trade Mart. Let me stress that this is my opinion only.

FWIW.

James

Hi James,

Unfortunately, I never saw the photo of "Major Lopez", and getting info on his background is tough. He was the son of a State Department official(early 50s), and used the family name to which you refer throughout his early days. He was indeed killed in a bar brawl in 1982, apparently in Fayetteville, NC, home of Fort Bragg.

Since I am a proponent of a south knoll shooter, IMO one of the Team 5 guys was stationed there, and took and made the head shot. If our "Major Lopez" was Lamp Post Man(and IMO PBM as we referred to him as), he was there to see his shooter do the job. Entirely possible other team members were assigned to different areas along the route from DP to the Trade Mart as a backup. Other shooters in DP were the other 2 sides of the triangular crossfire, with Cuban ex-patriots involved. While most would certainly disagree, I am still open to the possibility that LHO was somehow involved, even as the 6th floor shooter(JFK back shot), or at least got the shooter into place. IMO entirely possible if LHO hadn't been busted at the theater, Tosh may have been his air taxi out of Dallas without even knowing it beforehand.

All great stuff my friend. If there's anyone who can solve this thing, it's you.

All the best

RJS

Richard,

That comparison does seem closer to the others I have seen (David Morales). Its in the cheeks and the dimples.

John

John,

Here's a comparison Allan Eaglesham did for me a few years ago. On the lower right is an overlay of Lamp Post Man and his "lookalike" from Laos. IMO, it's him.

RJS

RJ:

For the sake of argument if we assume he was there as one of the assassins or had something to do with the assassins... then could it not be possible that he was there as part of an"abort" project?

You mentioned "Team Five" was that an OMC S/A Laos team? embedded within a 'MASOG', or "MASOG hit Team" If you check records some of those boys were attatched to CIA Miami station at one time and assigned to early OMC/CAG operations of the time (Operation Military Covert; sometimes known as a Covert Action Group attatch TDY to CIA operastions by the pentagon)

If we allow ourselves to think he was a possible hitters... then can we not allow ourselves to think that he was there for other reasons? This post is Not intended to start a debate but just a question.

Tosh,

Although purely speculative since we most likely will never know, it is assumed that many of the "lookalikes" were in Dealey Plaza to watch the show. Lucien Conein, Rip Robertson, and others may or may not have been part of the planning(Conein more than likely having been involved in the Diem coup weeks prior). Anything is possible since we don't know for sure, but I am of the opinion that the guns that were aimed at Castro were turned on JFK, with Hunt and Phillips prominent figures(Hunt, IMO, was pictured walking across Elm St in the shooting aftermath and was not a tramp). I also believe that the coverup conspiracy was separate from the shooting. The same thing happened in the early 70's during Watergate, when a coverup ensued not to hide the burglary, but to cover up the covert operations such as that used in DP.

Team 5 was active in Laos in 63, and if they were at one time aligned with JM/Wave, it is more likely that were used as assassins. IMO, at least one was stationed in the lot above the south knoll. Contrary to Mr Hemmings statements, I believe some of his associates may have been utilized as either shooters, spotters or diversions. If you were assigned as part of a compartmentaliized team to abort, you may consider you were used to get someone out after the fact, being led to believe the abort mission. Entirely possible and quite probable. It was a well planned operation for sure, and IMO, did not involve Hoover, LBJ or the other names in high places until immediate initiation of the coverup to, as was the case with Nixon, protect a US agency's involvement. Frankly, I believe if there was an abort mission, it was a diversion. Is it possible that if LHO wasn't arrested at the Texas Theater, he might have been your passenger on the flight out of Dallas?

RJS

Here is another good look at the James Files story:

Martin Shackelford, Fair Play Magazine, Confessions of an Assassin (November, 1996)

Files said he first met Lee Harvey Oswald in early 1963, in connection with gun-running, in Clinton, Louisiana, via David Atlee Phillips. Both were doing CIA work at the time. There was obviously some government involvement in the assassination, as otherwise they wouldn't have gotten the Secret Service identifications Ruby gave them. Phillips had given him the Remington Fireball for an earlier job.

Files said he saw Frank Sturgis among the crowd of people on Elm Street. He also saw Eugene Brading, whom he had seen at the Cabana with Nicoletti and Rosselli. Files knew Sturgis from anti-Castro activities, as did Rosselli. Files didn't see Oswald at all that day. He and Oswald never discussed the assassination plan.

He would not comment on the murder of J.D. Tippit, except to say that Oswald didn't kill Tippit, and the man who did was still alive at the time of the interview (a later reference possibly referring to the same man indicated he is now in his '80s), and had originally been assigned to kill Oswald. The man came to see Files in Mesquite after the assassination, saying there was a screwup and he had killed a cop...

Problems with the James Files "Confession":

(1) David Atlee Phillips, CIA propaganda expert, would seem an unlikely case officer for a Mob driver and hit man on No Name Key. This seems to be an attempt to tie Files credibly in with Oswald (the Veciana sighting in Dallas of Oswald and Phillips, as Bishop, together), but is doubtful. Also, although John Rosselli was active in Florida preparations for the Bay of Pigs, it is likely that someone other than Phillips introduced him to Files, if Files was at No Name Key. The only thing that sounds much like the real Phillips is the quote near the end about the power of the typewriter.

(2) Lee Harvey Oswald as tour guide.

(3) The plaid reversible coat and the bitten shell casing seem, on the surface, to provide confirmation, but both were details known prior to Files telling his story to anyone. I had heard about the shell well before Files says the fact that it was bitten was discovered (he says 1994). Some people seem to have confused the bitten casing found in the Plaza with the dented casing found in the Depository - these are two separate shell casings.

(4) In connection with Oswald, Clinton and gun-running, David Atlee Phillips again seems inserted artificially into the story here. Oswald and Ruby were both connected to New Orleans people involved in gun-running, but inserting Phillips into the Clinton story is, again, highly doubtful. This is not to say Phillips' role was an innocent one, just that Files seems to be inventing things, or perhaps he was fed inventions.

(5) Files overlooks the fact that the Elm Street crowd was well-photographed. Frank Sturgis was not among the crowd; nor at that point was Eugene Brading in that area; nor was Jack Ruby on the sidewalk below the knoll. None of this is difficult to check. All the relevant photos are in Groden and Trask.

(6) The Secret Service man on the knoll now becomes two men in suits turning people away. There were men turning people away in the area BEFORE the assassination, but not after. It sounds as though Files flubbed some of his borrowed details.

(7) He had documentary evidence, but he destroyed most of it. How convenient.

(8) My guess is that Files was, indeed, Charles Nicoletti's driver, and was involved in the preparations for the Bay of Pigs, but that he is also a good con artist, skillled at blending fact and fiction, which is what I believe he has done here.

John,

You may also want to add this to your list:

Files claimed in his most recent interview that he was assigned to the US Army's 82nd Airborne division, and was sent to Laos as part of Operation White Star in July 1959. Note that the operation in July 1959 was called Ambidexterous, then became Operation Hotfoot. The operation wasn't called White Star until 1961. Also note the 82nd wasn't sent to Laos, it was the 77th Special Forces Group led by LTC Arthur "Bull" Simons. I have information concerning the specialized training the 77th received prior to shipping out in July 1959, which will remain private until such time as someone can ask Files what his "training" consisted of at Fort Bragg in 1959. I'm willing to wait until hell freezes over, which will probably happen before Files or his fans will supply details of said training.

RJS

For instance, William Robertson. I know he was there. He was a long time spook. One of the legends in the business. And Tony Po, Poshepny, he died in 2003. They were like twins. He was there too. [/i]

Tony Poshepny is a very interesting character and an individual who I have been working on for some time. Back at the corner of Main and Houston ....

Interesting to note is that this individual although positioned up that post, he was right next to the Rip Robertson possible.

James

James,

First of all, please forgive my rehashing an old topic regarding Lamp Post Man. As you know, I also spent a great deal of time trying to identify him. It is my very firm opinion he was a CIA case officer assigned to Laos in the early 70's, whom we came to know as Pakse Base Man(although the photo of him was taken at Long Tieng). I contacted several Raven FACs and others who worked in Laos during the Secret War, and they were quite helpful, until I started questioning them about this CIA guy. They dropped me like a hot potato, but not before confirming he was CIA.

I also did some work on Tony Po, and tracked his "career" throughout Southeast Asia. I tried contacting a co-worker of his not long ago through an intermediary to no avail. Considering Poshepny's past, especially his operations in northern Laos, I question the statement that he and Rip Robertson were "like twins". Makes it sound like they were inseparable, but I've never come across anything that they even knew each other. I highly doubt Tony Po was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. As an aside, it is said that Tony Po was the basis for the Marlon Brando character Col Kurtz in Apocalypse Now. There is an A&E documentary available titled The Search for Kurtz, detailing author Adrian Levy's search to interview Poshepny(which he finally did). If you catch this documentary, I think you'd agree that LPM wasn't Tony Po.

Sorry, but in my opinion, Tony Po looks nothing like Lamp Post Man. Not even close. LPM was Hispanic, leading some to think he was David Morales(appearance also not close IMO). A year or so ago, a fellow researcher was shown a photo of one Humberto(Bobby) Castillo-Leon, AKA "Major Lopez". He indicated the photo he saw was the spitting image of LPM and the CIA guy at Long Tieng. Lopez allegedly lead an assassination squad called Team 5. It was his belief at the time that Team 5 was the JFK hit squad. He was unable to secure a copy of the photo.

As I've said for a few years now, and begging your indulgence, Lamp Post Man was the CIA case officer pictured at Long Tieng Laos, who may have been named Bobby Castillo-Leon. The comparison is much more than coincidental.

RJS

Moments before the assassination at the corner of Main and Houston as the presidential limo slowed to make the turn, a photograph was snapped showing an individual in the background who somewhat resembled Gerry Hemming. Comparisons were made and Gerry stated that it wasn't him.

In one of the A.J. Weberman Nodules (I forget which one), It is claimed that Gerry Hemming said he had a doppelganger at the time named John Orr. I have spent quite some time on John Orr and discovered that a man by that name did exist and he belonged to the 15th Air Tactical Command during Korea. He also went on to be involved in some of the activities in Latin America.

Anyway, this is John Orr below circa mid 1950's. I would be interested if forum members think he makes a good Gerry Hemming double and could he be the man at the corner of Main and Houston?

The reason why Gerry Hemming would have a doppelganger we can leave for another time.

James

James,

If you compare the ears, Orr's are way too small. IMO, not him.

RJS

According to a posting made by Gerry on 27th August 2005, he was at "Little Joe's" on the day JFK died: "The day of the JFK assassination, Jim Lewis was [as usual] playing Chess at "Little Joe's" apartment by the Miami River - together with Eddy Collins, "Skinny", Dick Whatley, Bobby Willis, and Bill Dempsey. When Garman started dancing in the street soon after hearing the news from Dallas, Jim chastised him severely (along with Cuban pissed-off neighbors); He reminded him that just four days before; he had been a member of our security detail for JFK at MIA (Monday, 18th Nov.), and that he had been prepared to "take-a-bullet" for the President!!"

John,

I too saved this comment from Gerry. Odd how Little Joe was dancing in the street after hearing of JFK's demise, yet 4 days earlier said he would take a bullet for him. Doesn't make much sense does it?

RJS

Amen, Bill? Looky here another nervous Lone Neuter. Bill Miller, you draw them like fly's, nice chorus!

Have you been taking lessons from Dankbaar? He pins Files disbelievers as spies, liars and LNs. Why is one pinned as a "lone neuter" for disputing Z film alteration? Why not stick Dankbaar on this committee and have him show his underwhelming Files "evidence"?

A few years ago after the Peter Jennings documentary came out, the uproar in the CT community was as loud as it has ever been. Even Jim Fetzer agreed that a counter response should not involve controversial issues, that accepted proof and documentation should be used. I'm afraid this will go nowhere as usual. The real issues presented by Horne, Morley and others will be overshadowed by disputes over the Z film. It took years to get this stuff together, and it will all go up in smoke because of white sneakers vs black shoes.

RJS

The Washington conference makes US News and World Report:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whis...22whisplead.htm

From the article:

One discrepancy: Two women at the slaying site are shown wearing white sneakers when they actually wore black shoes. He's got the Polaroids to prove it. Lipscomb's stuff is so compelling that Fox and ABC are negotiating to buy it.

Ah yes, the great Zapruder shoe switcheroo. This is where the conference will turn into the equivalent of an SNL comedy skit. No wonder Fox and ABC want to "buy it." Probably so they can end one of their news programs with a good laugh.

I predict that the shoe switcheroo will be the sound bite that comes out of this conference.

How unfortunate that with all the evidence of conspiracy, the heavily disputed Z film alteration issue will be on center stage. I agree Ron, Fox and ABC will jump on this with both feet. I disagree with the statement any publicity is good publicity. It only makes us look more "out there".

RJS

This is from memory, but I think in Mel Blancs? "Men in Tights", the Sherriff of Nottingham attempts to assassinate Robin Hood by having a crossbow sniper shoot Robin from the Nottingham Manuscript Depository.

A more serious parallel is in "murder at 1600"? with Denzel Washington playing a Homicide Investigator investigating a murder in the White House. The movie seems to parallel the assassination in many ways. A number of references are made in the script. Including a kind of backdrop of Denzels character as a civil war 'historian', or....er, he liked to play with models of, and talk about and recreate, famous civil war battles.

"This is from memory, but I think in Mel Blancs? 'Men in Tights'..." Mel Brooks. Mel Blanc did the Looney Tunes voices(Bugs, Daffy, Porky, etc)

"A more serious parallel is in "murder at 1600"? with Denzel Washington..." Wesley Snipes was the DC detective, not Denzel Washington. Frankly I don't recall any parallel at all regarding JFK and Murder at 1600. An ambitious presidential aide(Alan Alda) tries to frame the president's son for murder to force the president to resign.

'The Simpsons' is full of JFK assassination references.

My favorite is when Homer is training to become a bodyguard he attends 'The Leavelle School of Personal Protection'.

James

Hi James,

You're right about The Simpsons. My favorite is an "Itchy and Scratchy" with the LHO/Ruby shooting scene in the DPD basement(Itchy shoots Scratchy). I also recall a King of the Hill, where the guys have to travel from Arlen(now that's spooky in itself) to Dallas, and Dale asks Hank if they're going to go by the building where Lee Harvey Oswald SUPPOSEDLY shot JFK from.

RJS

Thank you Mike and Tom for the kind words, I do appreciate it and it helps during those

deadly hours sorting through the galley's and endless edits.

One thing that I did want to mention is that the second edition will contain

appendices which present documents/analyses beyond what could be addressed

in the body of the book without totally defocusing the reader.

They will include (among other things) new information on:

The FBI Odio investigation

The Rose Cheramie remarks and drug investigation

The mysterious death of Garrett Underhill

Mitch Werbell's contacts with the CIA

The Kirknewton incident and pre-assassination leaks

Suppressed CIA Castro assassinatation activities

Henry Hecksher's CIA career

Richard Case Nagell's activities in Mexico City

-- Larry

Hi Larry,

IMO, you picked up where Gaeton Fonzi left off. Someone Would Have Talked is perhaps the best book of all the JFK related material I own. I also have a suggestion for those that have the original who plan to buy the revised edition. Give the original to a fellow researcher who doesn't have it or can't afford to buy the new one. I plan on doing exactly that.

Very much looking forward to the book's release, and thanks for the time you spent(and continue to spend) gathering this critical information.

RJS

I imagine the 63 in all three numbers referes to the year. So in one case it was 272 and the other 352/356

63 does indeed indicate the year. 352 is a consecutive number indicating Tippit's autopsy was the 352nd autopsy performed in Dallas in 1963. Since LHO's was 356, that would indicate there were 3 autopsies performed between Tippit's on Friday 11/22 and LHO's on Sunday the 23rd. If JFK's autopsy had been performed in Dallas, his autopsy number would have been somewhere around 63-352. I would think the JFK autopsy would have been given priority over Tippit's.

Since JFK's autopsy was performed at Bethesda Naval Hospital, it was the 272nd autopsy performed there in 1963.

Not sure of the "A" alphabetical designation at Bethesda, or the "M" in Dallas.

Autopsies are not only performed in murder cases, but in most non-natural deaths, such as suicide, accidents, etc. Natural death autopsies can be requested by next of kin.

RJS

Tippit's autopsy number is ( M 63 352 ) Parkland Hospital

Oswalds autopsy number is ( M 63 356 ) Parkland Hospital

Chuck were did you find jfk's autopsy number. ?

Is there a photo depicting this number, or is it on a document. ?

Robin,

It's on the autopsy report. Appendix IX of the Warren Commission Report:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...eport_0281b.htm

Hi Bill,

I may be getting my plaza geography incorrect here. Would you be able to post a photo that shows where this man is supposed to be standing?

Is the man supposed to have been on the triple underpass bridge, that was the impression I got, although viewing it once more it seems as though the man is a cosiderable distance behind the underpass.

Your help would be appreciated.

All the best

John

Tippit's autopsy number is ( M 63 352 ) Parkland Hospital

Oswalds autopsy number is ( M 63 356 ) Parkland Hospital

Chuck were did you find jfk's autopsy number. ?

Is there a photo depicting this number, or is it on a document. ?

I just saw it the other night and I am sure it was on a document. There was a crease or line going through the top of the numbers. The numbers for JFK were, now this is strictly from memory, 63 272. I will do my best to find it for you so we can be sure of the numbers.

Chuck

A63-272

The image on the left below was discovered by Lee Forman. It was amongst a collection of UPI photographs but there is no information that suggests it actually went out over the wire.

There is something very weird going on with the rifle. The image on the right is the commonly published one with Day displaying the alleged assassin's weapon.

It would be interesting to get some opinions on this. Why the need for some funny business?

James

I'm likely the least knowledgeable person here when it comes to photos. However, it appears that in the left-side photograph, somebody has taped a piece of acetate over the original photo, with the rifle's image upon the acetate. That would explain why Day's fingers are still visible, but indistinct, beneath the acetate image of the weapon. It may have been part of a masking process, designed to drop another rifle into Day's hands, for purposes that might be open to speculation.

However, in the absence of someone seeking to substitute a false image of a different rifle into Day's hands, I cannot fathom a benign purpose for such an exercise.

Either way, one can understand why the left-side image has been suppressed. If is innocent, it was wholly unnecessary. If it was deemed necessary to do, it is unlikely to have been innocent.

Before we jump to conspiratorial conclusions, has anyone considered that the "odd" photo was manipulated by whoever came up with it? What's the source of this photo, where did it come from, and where is it now?

RJS

Is there anywhere I could see or could some one post side by side photos of all the supposed look a likes in DP that day? Other than the ones on this thread the only ones I've seen are the "hobos".

Just a few of the many. Coincidence? I think not.

Hunt

Conein-DeTorres

Conein

"Pakse Base Man"(CIA case officer Laos circa 1970)

"Lamppost Man"(corner of Main and Houston)

This did not happen to the book. While I was in Laos doing the research, CIA mercenaries made an assassination attempt on my research team. Even though I was a lowly graduate student at Yale University, I had an FBI phone tap, an IRS audit, an investigation of my federal fellowship by the US Department of Education, and, I believe, pressure my university to dismiss me from the graduate program. Once the book was published, the Agency threatened my sources in Laos to repudiate information they had given me. In sum, the Agency tugged at every thread in the threadbare life of an American graduate student. After the book was published and I finished my Ph.D., I found no academic employment in the US and migrated to Australia where I taught for 12 years.

Mr McCoy,

In your research, did you ever come across this person in Laos or elsewhere? I've been trying to put a name to this face for several years.

RJS

How little you both know from this area..........

Sorry this time I know where JFK stood the area and also how few were there the day that JFK said a few words to open the highway. Also how sad because just like the lack of what you know on that day it still is to this day so it is not your faults but the ones that would like little known on it.

LIke it was hardley in the news and I did have the gifted insight to meed someone who was there to see the event. From that person and others I did learn more. So, NO TERRY AND SMITH YOU ARE NOT TO BLAME ON HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW ON ONE OF THE PRESIDENTS LAST EVENTS IN LIFE TO DO THAT WAS SO SAD IN MANY WAYS> IT IS A LITTLE OUT OF THE WAY SPOT AND NOT MUCH FORMED AFTER THE EVENT AS IT SHOULD HAVE.

I think I have this one right.

Yes Nancy, JFK dedicated I95 in Maryland(it was a week prior to Dallas, did you know THAT?). And only that 50 mile section in Maryland was renamed the JFK Memorial Highway. You missed the whole point of Mary Ferrell's words.

http://www.mdta.state.md.us/mdta/servlet/d.../JFKHighway.jsp

Hi Terry,

Think I'll be hanging around here a little more often.

Hi John,

It does mention in the text that RFK said that if the ban was not lifted it would result in ridiculous mass indictments.

But why would he worry about this so soon after his brothers death, and was this plan in place while JFK was in the white house, perhaps a sign of peace brokering?

John

John,

As you know, the peace brokering was well in effect throughout 1963, through Attwood, Lisa Howard, Jean Daniel, Carlos Lechuga, etc. It makes one wonder regarding the allegations in Ultimate Sacrifice that the Kennedys were secretly planning a 2nd invasion of Cuba while secretly offering an olive branch to Castro through back door diplomacy.

RJS

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Pat,

I was in touch with a retired DEA agent a few years ago who essentially confirmed a story that had been making the rounds for several years. You recall the death of DEA agent Enrique "Kiki" Camarena in Mexico in 1985, said to have been murdered by Mexican drug lords. If I recall, 2 low level traffickers were convicted and sentenced to life in prison for Camarena's death. This former DEA guy said Camerena was murdered by the CIA because he found out about an airfield in Mexico used by the CIA as a stopover from Central America to the US. As you know(and this forum's own Tosh Plumlee can confirm this I'm sure, as he made many of these flights), the CIA would fly weapons and supplies to Central America, and bring tons of cocaine back on the return flight. Barry Seal was also heavily involved in these operations(who was himself murdered outside New Orleans allegedly with a trunk full of documents proving ties to the CIA and GHWB). Tosh's closed session testimony to the Kerry Committee is still sealed as secret, related to national security.

In the early 90's, CIA officials went to Los Angeles and held a news conference to try to convince poor

black families that they had nothing to do with cocaine smuggling. It was big news. They were nearly run out of the city. And if is in fact true that John Kerry apologized to one of Operation 40's chief assassins(and personal friend of GHWB), it certainly changes my mind about that senator. But then again, it's all politics as usual isn't it?

RJS

Ref: Plumlee

".... DEA FILES INFORMATION:

DEAfiles.pdf DEA Mexico OPS: These documents make reference to "Guatemalan Guerrillas" training at a ranch owned by Drug Lord CARO- Quintero in Vera Crus, Mexico. It was reported at the time this was a CIA training site where weapons were exchanged for drugs in support of the Contra effort in Nicaragua and Costa Rico. DEA Agent Enrique Camarena (KIKI) and his pilot found out about this operation known as "The CIA Thing" and were killed because of this knowledge. Plumlee and other American undercover pilots had flown into this ranch many times as reported in various sections within these documents and other news media leaks in Mexico and America. The operation was known as "AMSOG" and, as reported to Senator Gary Hart and his Senate investigators in early 1983, was an "illegal" smuggling operation through Mexico into the United States, supported by the US Military, Panama Southern Command.

Ref: DEA Secret Class 2 documents investigators Susand Baldwin and Hector Berelliz DEA. Documents can be found at toshplumlee.info in PDF foremat.

Tosh,

Thanks for the confirmation. In fact, the retired DEA guy I spoke of knew you. At the time(about 2 years ago), he wanted to get in touch with you. This was after you had left Lancer and went on "hiatus" because you ended up in the middle of the Dankbaar/Vernon mess.

Someone also mentioned Nixon earlier in this thread. I recall that Nixon started the DEA, obstensively to get control of the drug trade away from the CIA. He recruited none other than Lucien Conein(who IMO was photographed at the corner of Main and Houston in Dallas on November 22, 1963).

And I don't believe for a minute that Pablo Escobar or any other Columbian cartel bigshot had Barry Seal whacked. What a small world.

No "meatball" here

RJS

I think a smart strategy would be to go after the SBT head on. The trajectory simply doesn't work. There've been a number of presentations, including Russell Kent's and my own, that can be combined and simplified to show why the SBT is highly unlikely. I'm convinced that any jury of reasonable people will come to share this conclusion.

I also believe that the autopsy photos can be used, as outlined in my presentation, to demonstrate that the previous medical panels have misunderstood the open cranium photograph. It can also be proved that the panels incorrectly identified the position of the bullet "slice," so obvious on the A-P x-ray. These "mistakes" can be used to discredit the previous reports on the medical evidence, and open the door for some new "experts' to muddy the waters. Maybe we'll get lucky and find a doctor more concerned with the truth than with keeping the peace with his colleagues...

Once the stage has been set by the physical evidence for an extra shooter, the testimony of those earwitnesses near the Dal-tex who heard an extra shot can be introduced. Perhaps Jim Braden can be introduced as a suspect at this point. Use Rosselli perhaps to establish a link to Robertson. Show the Robertson look-alike at Houston and Main. Mention Robertson's ties to Morales. Get the quotes on Morales...Is Morales' friend still living? Perhaps call Bradley Ayers to the stand.. See if a link can be established between Morales/Robertson and Jenkins. Call Wheaton and see if he repeats his stuff on Jenkins... Call Jenkins...

Just throwing out ideas...

Pat,

A good start, I agree the SBT is disprovable, and not necessarily using the Z film. The medical evidence and statements from 5 autopsy witnesses would prove to be the key. James Sibert would make a fabulous witness, as he said in the William Law interviews regarding Arlen Specter, "what a xxxx". Regarding recent demonstrations on the SBT that were to prove not only its feasability but likelihood, I did a presentation at Lancer using video captures from the Beyond the Magic Bullet Discovery program. So many people were convinced who had been on the fence that I took a closer look. In the Australian reenactment using the manufactured torsos, the bullet entered the back in the approximate location of JFK's wound(as shown in the autopsy photos), but exited the mid chest. Without using video captures or very slow motion, you couldn't tell the bullet didn't exit the throat area.

The 30+ rear head wound witnesses (although several are no longer with us) is another viable option. The Z film using captured enhanced stills, shows clearly the avusion on the rear of the head. Eyewitness statements from Parkland and Bethesda place a large gaping wound of exit in the rear of the head. The simple fact that many of these statements and corresponding drawings made by them were kept secret for almost 20 years would raise more than a few jurors' eyebrows. After a parade of these witnesses, perhaps Finck and Boswell would finally tell the truth under threat of indictment for participating in a coverup conspiracy. I wonder if statements made to the HSCA by witnesses now deceased, such as by Thomas Robinson, could be presented. Not sure why they couldn't, since they were made under oath.

The Jeff Morley expose "What Jane Roman Said" proves beyond reasonable doubt that the CIA had something going on with LHO right up until 6 weeks prior to the assassination. The Scelso documents and and Blahut incident are icing on the cake.

Photos taken in Dealey Plaza show several "lookalikes" who certainly could be Howard Hunt (NOT one of the tramps), Lucien Conein, Rip Robertson, James Lewis, Bernardo DeTorres, Alfredo Duran, and a host of others, including who we refer to as PBM. Umbrella Man and Dark Complected Man (take your pick, Gordon Novel/Hargraves/Vidal/Bosch).

Posada Carrilles may be of use. All one needs to do is mention extradition to Venezuela.

Further study of the acoustic tests/dictabelt comparisons were to be done according to a fairly recent documentary. This is crucial.

Just a sampling, there's so much more.

RJS