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  1. Ruth Paine herself was a Quaker mother -- not a CIA officer.// TREJO

    In third world countries the CIA routinely utilizes religious organizations to undermine the social movements of indigenous peoples, and to advance the goals of U.S. policy FROM POST #115 above

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    A Certain Arrogance: U.S. Intelligence's Manipulation of Religious Groups and Individuals in Two World Wars and the Cold War -and the Sacrificing of Lee Harvey Oswald Paperback – June 13, 2006

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    by
    George Michael Evica (Author)
    In "A Certain Arrogance" (Iron Sights Press, 2006), Professor Evica reveals the history of the recruitment and indoctrination of US intelligence assets (spies/assassins) for OSS and CIA beginning during World War II when, through the work of OSS members Wild Bill Donovan and Allan Dulles, religious institutions, particularly, the Unitarian Church and the Quaker movement, were used as "fronts" in the selection and culling of candidates for espionage and special operations by America's intelligences services, OSS and CIA, domestically and abroad.
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    also see
    http://www.ctka.net/reviews/certain_arrogance.html

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    Does God work for the CIA?

    -see

    http://rt.com/op-edge/north-korea-usa-cia-639/

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    http://www.finalcall.com/perspectives/sudan_cia05-15-2001.htm
    http://watch.pair.com/antipas.html
    http://proframanathan.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-religious-crusades-of-cia.html

  2. I disagree with Jim Di Eugenio that the filing cabinets of names of Castro sympathizers found in Ruth Paine's garage, proved that the Paines were right-wing activists......It seems to me that those filing cabinets came from Guy Banisters office, via Lee Harvey Oswald, in the context of a plot to murder Fidel Castro // Trejo

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    Posted more than once this forum >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Paine, extreme copious note taker: WHEN NARA FIRST OPENED UP JFK material and in CENTRAL AMERICA. They are her filing cabinets. YOU NEVER MENTION RUTH PAINES SYSTER,why ?.....?

  3. May 15, 2015

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    The Plot Against Trains

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    By Adam Gopnik

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    http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-plot-against-trains?intcid=mod-latest

    The horrific Amtrak derailment outside Philadelphia this week set off some predictable uncertainty about what exactly had happened—a reckless motorman? An inadequate track? A missing mechanical device? Some combination of them all?—and an even more vibrant set of arguments about the failure of Americans to build any longer for the common good. Everyone agrees that our rail system is frail and accident-prone: one tragedy can end the service up and down the entire path from Boston to Washington, and beyond, for days on end. And everyone knows that American infrastructure—what used to be called our public works, or just our bridges and railways, once the envy of the world—has now been stripped bare, and is being stripped ever barer.

    What is less apparent, perhaps, is that the will to abandon the public way is not some failure of understanding, or some nearsighted omission by shortsighted politicians. It is part of a coherent ideological project. As I wrote a few years ago, in a piece on the literature of American declinism, “The reason we don’t have beautiful new airports and efficient bullet trains is not that we have inadvertently stumbled upon stumbling blocks; it’s that there are considerable numbers of Americans for whom these things are simply symbols of a feared central government, and who would, when they travel, rather sweat in squalor than surrender the money to build a better terminal.” The ideological rigor of this idea, as absolute in its way as the ancient Soviet conviction that any entering wedge of free enterprise would lead to the destruction of the Soviet state, is as instructive as it is astonishing. And it is part of the folly of American “centrism” not to recognize that the failure to run trains where we need them is made from conviction, not from ignorance.

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    There is a popular notion at large, part of a sort of phantom “bi-partisan” centrist conviction, that the degradation of American infrastructure, exemplified by the backwardness of our trains and airports, too, is a failure of the American political system. We all should know that it is bad to have our trains crowded and wildly inefficient—as Michael Tomasky points out, fifty years ago, the train from New York to Washington was much faster than it is now—but we lack the political means or will to cure the problem. In fact, this is a triumph of our political system, for what is politics but a way of enforcing ideological values over merely rational ones? If we all agreed on common economic welfare and pursued it logically, we would not need politics at all: we could outsource our problems to a sort of Saint-Simonian managerial class, which would do the job for us.

    What an ideology does is give you reasons not to pursue your own apparent rational interest—and this cuts both ways, including both wealthy people in New York who, out of social conviction, vote for politicians who are more likely to raise their taxes, and poor people in the South who vote for those devoted to cutting taxes on incomes they can never hope to earn. There is no such thing as false consciousness. There are simply beliefs that make us sacrifice one piece of self-evident interest for some other, larger principle.

    What we have, uniquely in America, is a political class, and an entire political party, devoted to the idea that any money spent on public goods is money misplaced, not because the state goods might not be good but because they would distract us from the larger principle that no ultimate good can be found in the state. Ride a fast train to Washington today and you’ll start thinking about national health insurance tomorrow.

    The ideology of individual autonomy is, for good or ill, so powerful that it demands cars where trains would save lives, just as it places assault weapons in private hands, despite the toll they take in human lives. Trains have to be resisted, even if it means more pollution and massive inefficiency and falling ever further behind in the amenities of life—what Olmsted called our “commonplace civilization.”

    Part of this, of course, is the ancient—and yet, for most Americans, oddly beclouded—reality that the constitutional system is rigged for rural interests over urban ones. The Senate was designed to make this happen, even before we had big cities, and no matter how many people they contain or what efficient engines of prosperity they are. Mass transit goes begging while farm subsidies flourish.

    But the bias against the common good goes deeper, into the very cortex of the imagination. This was exemplified by New Jersey Governor Chris Christie’s decision, a few short years ago, to cancel the planned train tunnel under the Hudson. No good reason could be found for this—most of the money would have been supplied by the federal government, it was obviously in the long-term interests of the people of New Jersey, and it was exactly the kind of wise thing that, a hundred years ago, allowed the region to blossom. Christie was making what was purely a gesture toward the national Republican Party, in the same spirit as supporting a right-to-life amendment. We won’t build a tunnel for trains we obviously need because, if we did, people would use it and then think better of the people who built it. That is the logic in a nutshell, and logic it seems to be, until you get to its end, when it becomes an absurdity. As Paul Krugman wrote, correctly, about the rail-tunnel follies, “in general, the politicians who make the loudest noise about taking care of future generations, taking the long view, etc., are the ones who are in fact most irresponsible about public investments.”

    This week’s tragedy also, perhaps, put a stop for a moment to the license for mocking those who use the train—mocking Amtrak’s northeast “corridor” was a standard subject not just for satire, which everyone deserves, but also for sneering, which no one does. For the prejudice against trains is not a prejudice against an élite but against a commonality. The late Tony Judt, who was hardly anyone’s idea of a leftist softy, devoted much of his last, heroic work, written in conditions of near-impossible personal suffering, to the subject of … trains: trains as symbols of the public good, trains as a triumph of the liberal imagination, trains as the “symbol and symptom of modernity,” and modernity at its best. “The railways were the necessary and natural accompaniment to the emergence of civil society,” he wrote. “They are a collective project for individual benefit … something that the market cannot accomplish, except, on its own account of itself, by happy inadvertence. … If we lose the railways we shall not just have lost a valuable practical asset. We shall have acknowledged that we have forgotten how to live collectively.”

    Trains take us places together. (You can read good books on them, too.) Every time you ride one, you look outside, and you look inside, and you can’t help but think about the private and the public in a new way. As Judt wrote, the railroad represents neither the fearsome state nor the free individual. A train is a small society, headed somewhere more or less on time, more or less together, more or less sharing the same window, with a common view and a singular destination.

  4. US Anger With RT Will Start World War Three – Emir Kusturica

    Sputnik News

    May 16, 2015

    The award-winning film director believes that the next world conflict could start when the Pentagon decides to bomb the RT TV channel.

    World War Three will break out when the US finally tires of the RT TV channel, and decides to bomb it; in retaliation, Russia will destroy CNN, writes film director Emir Kusturica, in an article published on Thursday.

    “Everything is different to how it was during the Cold War! Because of that it is useless to talk about a return to how things used to be, and listen to Henry Kissinger scare us. In the meantime, China has become the strongest world economy, Russia has recovered from Perestroika, India is growing into a genie! Military experts don’t argue that Americans have the most organized army, but there remains the unsolvable puzzle for NATO generals, who have called one of the Russian rockets ‘SATAN.'”

    “The devil never comes alone! At the same time with this rocket and numerous innovations, the TV Channel RT has also appeared among the Russian arsenal.”

    “The program is broadcast in English, and watched by around 700 million people in 200 countries. The secret success of this television is the smashing of the Hollywood-CNN stereotype of the good and bad guys, where blacks, Hispanics, Russians, Serbs are the villains, and white Americans, wherever you look, are OK!”

    “Congressman, and those in the State Department are continually upset by RT,” writes Kusturica, adding that the US Secretary of State, who Kusturica calls “Jim Kerry,” is “the loudest.”

    “Kerry and the congressmen are bothered by the fact that RT sends signals that the world is not determined by the fatalism of liberal capitalism, that the US is leading the world into chaos, that Monsanto is not producing healthy food, that Coca-Cola is ideal for cleaning automobile alloys and not for the human stomach, that in Serbia the percent of people who die from cancer has risen sharply due to the 1999 NATO bombings, that the social map of America is falling from day to day, that the fingerprints of the CIA are on the Ukrainian crisis, and that BlackWater fired at the Ukrainian police, and not Maidan activists.”

    In contrast, writes the film director, “CNN in direct transmissions assures that since the 1990s America has been leading humanitarian actions, and not wars, that from military planes fall angels and not bombs!”

    “As time goes on RT will ever more demystify the American Dream and in primetime will reveal the truth hidden for decades from the eyes and heart of average Americans, in their own homes, in perfect English, better than they use on CNN.”

  5. Steven Gaal, on 15 May 2015 - 8:51 PM, said:

    Your citations are not direct rebuttal to the quote I supplied from RP's testimony. They are meaningless for that reason.// PARKER

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    Like sworn statements from DMV people that there was a LHO drivers license (not made out of any possible self-interest) . vs SPOOKY RUTH PAINE

    TO EACH HIS OWN (end gaal)

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    What on earth are talking about?

    This has NOTHING TO DO with whether he had a license or not. It is about her saying that Lee was under the wrong impression that he needed a car to take the test. There is NO direct rebuttal to that. Either you have some serious comprehension issues, or you deliberately clouding the issues.//PARKER

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    If he has a drivers license ,then no need to take a test........GAAL

  6. The other thing missing is logic. The quote I supplied from Ruth was not made out of any possible self-interest.* It is therefore reliable - unless it can be DIRECTLY rebutted by other evidence.// Parker

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    Like sworn statements from DMV people that there was a LHO drivers license. GAAL

    *LIKE SUPPORTING YOUR KINDLE BOOK

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    citations

    Buddy Walthers - Spartacus Educational

    spartacus-educational.com › American History › The Assassination of JFK

    Walthers took part in the search of the home of Ruth Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records ...

    Michael Paine - Spartacus Educational

    spartacus-educational.com › American History › The Assassination of JFK

    Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the home of Michael Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, ...

    Ruth Paine - JFK Assassination Forum

    www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=8652.90;wap2

    "Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the home of Ruth Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, ...

    P | jfkcoupdetat

    https://jfkcoupdetat.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/p/

    Jan 7, 2014 - Detective Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the home of Ruth Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they 'found six or seven metal filing ...

  7. Quote

    Your "evidence" amounted to declaring that Oswald decided he needed a car for his driver's test. And you think others are wildly speculating?

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    Wild speculation?

    No it's not Don. Maybe you forgot I had a citation for it.

    Mrs. PAINE - Just prior to the assassination. The 16th I was having a birthday party for my little girl and said I couldn't possibly take him again to this place so he could take a test. But that he didn't need a car. This was news to him. He thought he needed a car for his initial test, learner's permit. I said he could go himself from Dallas. // Parker

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    THE GOSPEL OF RUTH SO SAITH THE PARKER

    Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the home of Ruth Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records and index cards with names of pro-Castro sympathizers." James DiEugenio has argued that this "cinches the case that the Paines were domestic surveillance agents in the Cold War against communism."
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    Ruth Paine in the 1990s

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    The final speaker to address the issue of the Paines was researcher Carol Hewett, who read a paper that she said had been prepared by fellow researcher Barbara Lamonica.
    "This concerns Ruth's activities in the 1990s," Hewett said. "We see that Ruth was a political activist in the 1960s; she spent a great deal of time trying to learn Russian. I guess she failed at this, and decided it was time to learn Spanish instead, because in the 1990s we find her in Nicaragua, of all places.

    "During the ensuing decades following the assassination the focus of U.S. intelligence activities shifted away from Cuba to Central America, culminating in the Reagan Administration's efforts to destabilize and overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government through a CIA proxy war. In the early Sixties the CIA molded anti-Castro Cuban refugees into paramilitary mercenary gangs dubbed the 'Liberation Brigade,' just as in the eighties they would bankroll former Samoza national guardsmen into the mercenary army dubbed the 'Freedom Fighters.' Several illuminai from the Bay of Pigs rogue's gallery materialized to train the Contras," including Felix Rodriquez and Theodore Shackley.

    "In third world countries the CIA routinely utilizes religious organizations to undermine the social movements of indigenous peoples, and to advance the goals of U.S. policy. This was also a clarion call to the CIA to increase funding to the missionary and relief efforts of more conservative and fundamentalist groups who supported the Contras. It was also believed that the more progressive relief groups were heavily infiltrated."

    Hewett then told the story of Sue Wheaton, an assassination researcher who also works with the Office of Aging in Washington D.C. In 1991, she and her husband, an Episcopalian priest, were part of the progressive relief effort in Nicaragua. In the course of this work, Wheaton chanced to meet Ruth Paine at a Quaker group. After confirming that she was the same Ruth Paine from the assassination saga---a fact that she admitted only reluctantly---Ruth told Sue Wheaton that the Quaker group was funded primarily by six wealthy conservative individuals from the Southeast...

    "It was curious to Wheaton that conservative individuals would want to support humanitarian aid to Nicaragua, especially during the previous Contra war. Ruth's particular group also ran a sawmill [?] project on the eastern coast of Nicaragua, a Contra holdout and a nexus of CIA-based activity. Recall the Lake Pontchartrain gang outside of New Orleans, whose cover was operating a lumber mill as well.

    "Ruth Paine showed up at one of Sue Wheaton's council meetings of the anti-Contra group, of which pro-NICA was a part. According to Sue Wheaton---and this is quoting Sue directly, from some correspondence she shared with us---

    I myself did think that Ruth was taking down information about Americans in Nicaragua, who opposed U.S. policies there. She constantly wrote down the names of individuals and organizations. Her project---that is, Ruth's project---sent a letter to all of the U.S. peace organizations which visited Nicaragua, encouraging them to stay at the Quaker hospitality house. (SO SHE COULD KEEP AN EYE ON THEM,GAAL) Someone told me that Ruth studied the bulletin board there, copying down everything that was on it. Also, Ruth made reference to people she knew in the U.S. embassy. Most of us---[that is, people that Sue associated with]---did not know any people in the embassy, as we associated it with policies we abhorred.

    "Sue Wheaton goes on to recount how Ruth and an associate of Ruth's by the name of John [Reese?] attended several meetings of a Solidarity Committee...while there, Ruth took copious notes, and another friend of Ruth's, by the name of Sean Miller, made several tape recordings and took photographs. Ruth claimed that the photographs were being taken for the Nicaraguan Network in Washington, D.C. Later, when a friend of Sue Wheaton's checked with the Nicaraguan Network, the network claimed that they had not commissioned anyone to take pictures in Nicaragua. Thus the explanation given by Ruth Paine as to why her associate was taking pictures of members of the U.S. community in Nicaragua was false." "Ruth is now living in St. Petersberg, Florida," Hewett said. "She's been divorced from Michael for quite some time. She's active with a Quaker group there in St. Petersberg.

  8. Reality Check: Five Years After Deepwater Horizon

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    http://www.planetexperts.com/reality-check-five-years-after-deepwater-horizon/

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    •by: Mission Blue
    • May 12, 2015

    A controlled burn of oil from the Deepwater Horizon/BP oil spill sends towers of fire hundreds of feet into the air over the Gulf of Mexico June 9. (Image Credit: Petty Officer First Class John Masson, Coast Guard / Flickr)
    A controlled burn of oil from the Deepwater Horizon/BP oil spill sends towers of fire hundreds of feet into the air over the Gulf of Mexico June 9. (Image Credit: Petty Officer First Class John Masson, Coast Guard / Flickr)

    This article was written by Courtney Mattison & Rachel Devorah

    It’s a heartbreaking yet familiar scene. Oil disasters of catastrophic proportions, seeping and sludging all over marine and coastal habitats; hundreds of dead seabirds and dolphins; sick residents and failing coastal economies. The same irrevocable accidents continue to occur. It’s easy to see history repeating itself, posing the inevitable question: will we ever learn from our mistakes?

    As the five-year anniversary of the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster approaches on April 20, the effects of this devastating accident are still raw throughout the Gulf of Mexico. The 2010 catastrophe spewed approximately 210 million gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico, resulting in America’s worst environmental crisis to date and the second largest oil disaster in world history next to the 1991 Gulf War spill, during which Iraqi forces intentionally released 252-336 million gallons of oil into the Persian Gulf. British Petroleum (BP) has paid over $28 billion in damage claims and cleanup costs and pleaded guilty to criminal charges, including manslaughter for the 11 men killed when the oil rig exploded. United States District Court Judge Carl J. Barbier found BP to be grossly negligent – a charge that may result in additional fines amounting to $18 billion in new civil penalties (far surpassing the $3.5 billion BP initially reserved) pending a federal investigation by a court in New Orleans. The U.S. Department of Interior (DOI) was restructured to separate the agency that oversees safety from the one that oversees revenue collection. Most of the major challenges from this tragedy may appear to be nearly resolved, but that is far from the case.

    The ecosystems and communities affected by the Deepwater Horizon disaster are far from healed. They are sick and they are struggling. Gulf Coast communities still haven’t received the billions of dollars they were promised. Some of the most distressing effects of Deepwater Horizon are still being discovered, with a new study recently published in the journal PLOS One suggesting that Corexit 9500 – the chemical most widely used to disperse oil in the Gulf of Mexico – likely caused respiratory damage in exposed humans and marine life by degrading cell tissues found in their lungs and gills.

    A ship floats amongst a sea of spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico after the BP Deepwater Horizon oilspill disaster. Date: June 16, 2010. (Image Credit: Kris Krüg)
    A ship floats amongst a sea of spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico after the BP Deepwater Horizon oilspill disaster. Date: June 16, 2010. (Image Credit: Kris Krüg)

    Last month, the National Wildlife Federation (NWF) published an annual report titled Five Years and Counting: Gulf wildlife in the aftermath of the Deepwater Horizon disaster, which provides a comprehensive analysis of publicly available research on the effects of the disaster on the Gulf ecosystem. The federal government is still building its case against BP for the ongoing trial so not all research findings have been released, but the available evidence underscores how much damage persists in the Gulf today as well as the fact that it may take decades for researchers to properly assess the full scale of the disaster.

    The following excerpt from the NWF report summarizes its findings:
    •In 2014, dolphins on the Louisiana coast were found dead at four times historic rates, and there is increasing evidence that these ongoing dolphin deaths are connected to the 2010 oil disaster.
    •Between 27,000 and 65,000 Kemp’s ridley sea turtles are estimated to have died in 2010, and the annual numbers of Kemp’s ridley nests have declined in the years since the spill.
    •Twelve percent of the brown pelicans and 32 percent of the laughing gulls in the northern Gulf are estimated to have died as a result of the BP oil spill.
    •Oil and dispersant compounds have been found in the eggs of white pelicans nesting in three states— Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois.
    •Exposure to oil has been shown to cause abnormal development in many species of fish, including mahi-mahi, Gulf killifish and bluefin and yellowfin tuna.
    •Spotted seatrout, also known as speckled trout, spawned less frequently in 2011 in both Louisiana and Mississippi than in previous years.
    •Both 2010 and 2011 had the lowest numbers of juvenile red snapper seen in the eastern Gulf fishery since 1994.
    •Coral colonies in five separate locations in the Gulf – three in the deep sea and two in shallower waters – are showing significant oil damage.
    •Sperm whales are spending less time foraging in the area around the wellhead.
    •Oil has been found in sediments deep in the Gulf of Mexico, in a 1,200-square-mile area surrounding the wellhead.

    Last year, Dr. Barbara Block and her team from Stanford University and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) found that crude oil interferes with fish heart cells, giving fish like tuna in the Gulf heart attacks. National Geographic reports that the oil also killed mangrove trees, causing islands such as Cat Island to wash away at a greater rate and removing nesting habitat for pelicans. BP has claimed in its ownstudy that marine life in the Gulf is recovering and remaining damage is negligible.

    Watchdog researchers like Dr. Bonny Schumaker of On Wings of Care – a nonprofit organization dedicated to the protection and preservation of wildlife, wild habitat, and natural ecosystems – and Dr. Mandy Joye, an oil spill expert and founder of the Joye Research Group at University of Georgia, are working tirelessly to expose the extent of the Deepwater disaster. On Wings of Care has flown with members of the U.S. Coast Guard, researchers, political leaders and the media over the Gulf to monitor and document oil slicks and marine life. “The scientists that I would take out, they were absolutely changed once I took them out there in the plane and they saw with their own eyes,” Schumaker said in an interview with Oceana. “We were flying over miles and miles and miles of nonstop oil… that’s when they realized that this is really bad.”

    Pelicans drenched in oil. (Image Credit: Creative Commons
    Pelicans drenched in oil. (Image Credit: Creative Commons

    While the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster is the largest in American history, it certainly isn’t the only source of oil causing damage to our ocean and coastlines today. Oil leaks and spills from offshore drilling and transport equipment all the time, and oil disasters occur far more frequently than reported. The Department of Interior (DOI) reports that the number of offshore oil-related accidents and injuries has increased per oil producing well since 2010 in American waters. The U.S. government has made changes to its offshore oil drilling policies and safety protocols, including new regulations announced this month for the design, operation and maintenance of oil well blowout preventers. The DOI now requires access to “containment dome technology” – a dome that can cover an exploded well to prevent gushing oil from spreading – for any company performing deep sea drilling in the Gulf, and nearly doubled the number of safety inspectors in the area. The Environmental Protection Agency is also reviewing its policies governing the use of dispersants and other chemical and biological products on oil spills in U.S. waters, and is accepting public comments through April 22. However, the Obama Administration recently approved an expansion of oil exploration along the Atlantic coast and the DOI is now reviewing a proposal to allow Royal Dutch Shell to drill in the Chukchi Sea off the Alaskan coast.

    If the United States is to move into an era of foreign oil independence and protect its natural environment from the atrocious and avoidable effects of deepwater drilling accidents (not to mention climate change and ocean acidification), we must prioritize renewable energy solutions and wean ourselves from oil. It’s that simple. As Dr. Sylvia Earle says, “Just as we have the power to harm the ocean, we have the power to put in place policies and modify our own behavior in ways that would be an insurance policy for the future of the sea, for the creatures there, and for us, protecting special critical areas in the ocean.”

    Read the full National Wildlife Foundation report: Five Years & Counting.
    - See more at: http://www.planetexperts.com/reality-check-five-years-after-deepwater-horizon/#sthash.URRZ1kJl.dpuf

  9. Would somebody please contact Michael Paine and ask him about Ex-General Edwin Walker in connection with the JFK murder?

    Thanks,
    --Paul Trejo

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    what about his wife ?? Should not she get a call ?? BTW I don't recall you talking about Ruth's sister ,ever.

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    Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the home of Ruth Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records and index cards with names of pro-Castro sympathizers." James DiEugenio has argued that this "cinches the case that the Paines were domestic surveillance agents in the Cold War against communism."
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    Ruth Paine in the 1990s
    The final speaker to address the issue of the Paines was researcher Carol Hewett, who read a paper that she said had been prepared by fellow researcher Barbara Lamonica.
    "This concerns Ruth's activities in the 1990s," Hewett said. "We see that Ruth was a political activist in the 1960s; she spent a great deal of time trying to learn Russian. I guess she failed at this, and decided it was time to learn Spanish instead, because in the 1990s we find her in Nicaragua, of all places.

    "During the ensuing decades following the assassination the focus of U.S. intelligence activities shifted away from Cuba to Central America, culminating in the Reagan Administration's efforts to destabilize and overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government through a CIA proxy war. In the early Sixties the CIA molded anti-Castro Cuban refugees into paramilitary mercenary gangs dubbed the 'Liberation Brigade,' just as in the eighties they would bankroll former Samoza national guardsmen into the mercenary army dubbed the 'Freedom Fighters.' Several illuminai from the Bay of Pigs rogue's gallery materialized to train the Contras," including Felix Rodriquez and Theodore Shackley.

    "In third world countries the CIA routinely utilizes religious organizations to undermine the social movements of indigenous peoples, and to advance the goals of U.S. policy. This was also a clarion call to the CIA to increase funding to the missionary and relief efforts of more conservative and fundamentalist groups who supported the Contras. It was also believed that the more progressive relief groups were heavily infiltrated."

    Hewett then told the story of Sue Wheaton, an assassination researcher who also works with the Office of Aging in Washington D.C. In 1991, she and her husband, an Episcopalian priest, were part of the progressive relief effort in Nicaragua. In the course of this work, Wheaton chanced to meet Ruth Paine at a Quaker group. After confirming that she was the same Ruth Paine from the assassination saga---a fact that she admitted only reluctantly---Ruth told Sue Wheaton that the Quaker group was funded primarily by six wealthy conservative individuals from the Southeast...

    "It was curious to Wheaton that conservative individuals would want to support humanitarian aid to Nicaragua, especially during the previous Contra war. Ruth's particular group also ran a sawmill [?] project on the eastern coast of Nicaragua, a Contra holdout and a nexus of CIA-based activity. Recall the Lake Pontchartrain gang outside of New Orleans, whose cover was operating a lumber mill as well.

    "Ruth Paine showed up at one of Sue Wheaton's council meetings of the anti-Contra group, of which pro-NICA was a part. According to Sue Wheaton---and this is quoting Sue directly, from some correspondence she shared with us---

    I myself did think that Ruth was taking down information about Americans in Nicaragua, who opposed U.S. policies there. She constantly wrote down the names of individuals and organizations. Her project---that is, Ruth's project---sent a letter to all of the U.S. peace organizations which visited Nicaragua, encouraging them to stay at the Quaker hospitality house. Someone told me that Ruth studied the bulletin board there, copying down everything that was on it. Also, Ruth made reference to people she knew in the U.S. embassy. Most of us---[that is, people that Sue associated with]---did not know any people in the embassy, as we associated it with policies we abhorred.

    "Sue Wheaton goes on to recount how Ruth and an associate of Ruth's by the name of John [Reese?] attended several meetings of a Solidarity Committee...while there, Ruth took copious notes, and another friend of Ruth's, by the name of Sean Miller, made several tape recordings and took photographs. Ruth claimed that the photographs were being taken for the Nicaraguan Network in Washington, D.C. Later, when a friend of Sue Wheaton's checked with the Nicaraguan Network, the network claimed that they had not commissioned anyone to take pictures in Nicaragua. Thus the explanation given by Ruth Paine as to why her associate was taking pictures of members of the U.S. community in Nicaragua was false." "Ruth is now living in St. Petersberg, Florida," Hewett said. "She's been divorced from Michael for quite some time. She's active with a Quaker group there in St. Petersberg.

  10. Golly Steve. Yes it does // Parker

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    Oh ?? ....?? So the newspaper has a doctored photo ?? Oh ?? ....?? So isn't that FRAUD ?? . I mean if I had bought that newspaper then my research on defectors would be compromised ....hum...

    Why would anyone want to confuse the identity of LHO ....why and WHO ????

  11. Would somebody please contact Michael Paine and ask him about Ex-General Edwin Walker in connection with the JFK murder?

    Thanks,
    --Paul Trejo

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    Michael would probably guess the reason for the call >> BEFORE YOU MADE IT.

    THE PAINES AFTER THE COUP

    THE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION

    Michael Paine related the events of November 22: "When it happened I was eating lunch with

    a colleague at a bowling alley. Someone told me the President had been shot and we dashed

    back to lab to listen to the radio. And my colleague, Frank Krystinik, was urging me to call the

    FBI and tell them that LEE worked there. Oh, no I thought. Everyone is going to be jumping on

    him. The obvious target there. I couldn't see why LEE would do that. If he was a rational body

    he's gonna get Johnson, but he shot Kennedy. I took Johnson to be more to the right. I've

    come to realize since, I didn't take into account LEE'S close connection with Cuba, which

    would have changed the complexion somewhat of what he might had felt toward Kennedy. But

    he did say to me that he thought Kennedy was the best President we've had in his lifetime. He

    also said that he thought change wouldn't come about, except through violence."

    Frank Krystinik had a slightly different version of events: "On November 22, 1963, Krystinik

    and Paine were in the office of the Bell Helicopter Company laboratory when they heard the

    news that the President had been shot. There was some discussion about the exact location of

    where the shooting had occurred, so they looked it up in the Dallas City map. Paine said with

    surprise "That is right next to the Texas School Book Depository Building." Krystinik then said,

    "Well isn't that where LEE OSWALD works?" Paine said, "Yes, but he does not even own a

    gun." [WCD75 p724]

    THE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION

    "On November 26, 1963, Dallas Confidential FBI Informant T-4, advised that he had received

    information that a male voice was overheard in a conversation which took place between

    telephone number CR-5-5211, Arlington, Texas, and telephone number BL-3-1628 [Michael

    Paine's home telephone number], Irving, Texas, on November 23, 1963. Informant advised the

    exact time of this conversation was not available, and that it was not known from which of the

    telephone numbers the call originated. Informant advised that the male voice was heard to

    comment that he felt sure LEE HARVEY OSWALD had killed the President, but he did not feel

    OSWALD was responsible, and further stated: 'We both know who is responsible.'" [WCD 206

    p66; FBI DL 100-10461 RPG;gmf]

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    The FBI reported: "It should be noted that the only telephone call between telephone number

    CR-5-5211, Arlington, Texas, and telephone number BL-3-1628, Irving, Texas, during the

    period November 22, 1963, to November 26, 1963, was the one call on November 22, 1963,

    which, according to the telephone company records, indicates that Mrs. Michael Paine was

    calling collect from CR-5-5211, the place of employment of her husband. Previous information,

    furnished by Captain Paul Barger, Irving, Texas, Police Department, to the effect that he had

    received information from individual he could not recall concerning a telephone conversation

    which took place on November 23, 1963, between telephone numbers CR-5-5211, Arlington,

    Texas and BL-3-1623, Irving, Texas, has been reported. Mrs. Ruth Paine, 2515 West 5th

    Street, Irving, Texas, has previously stated that on November 22, 1963, at about 1:00 p.m., her

    husband telephoned from his place of business, and advised her that the President had just

    been shot. Mrs. Paine denied having any conversation with her husband at his place of

    employment on November 23, 1963." The telephone records of Michael Paine, BL-3-1628

    indicated that on November 22, 1963, a collect call was placed "from Arlington, Texas, number

    CR-5-5211. Mrs. Michael Paine was calling." [FBI DL 100-10461 1.23.64 Robert Lish]

    Wesley Liebler questioned Ruth Paine about this telephone conversation:

    Liebler: You have previously been questioned about a supposed telephone call that was

    supposed to have been made from Michael Paine's office to your home shortly after the

    assassination, and I do not represent that I have knowledge of such a call, that such a call was

    ever made, but as you know, there were rumors to the effect that this man and woman

    together in the conversation - that one of them said he really wasn't responsible for the

    assassination, and they both knew who was and I think both of you and Michael have testified

    about this before and have denied there was any such telephone conversation between you

    and anyone. Was there a telephone conversation of any kind between you and Michael

    between your residence and Michael's office on November 22, 1963, or November 23, 1963?

    Paine: I have testified to the fact that Michael called. I don't know whether it was from the

    cafeteria where he had been eating, or more likely from his office, to my home, on November

    22, 1963.

    Liebler: Was that the only telephone conversation between those two numbers on those two

    days that you know of?

    Paine: Yes.

    Ruth Paine commented told this researcher, "It rings no bells for me. I must say I am not

    impressed with the quality of FBI reporting." Michael Paine stated: "I've heard that a couple of

    times, way back, for many years. When I first heard that said, I thought that they must have

    overheard me talking to my father very shortly after the evening or the next day of the

    assassination. In this conversation I said to him rather emphatically 'We know how he got that

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    job at the Depository.' Which we did. Immediately after the assassination, I assumed the phone

    was tapped."

    ANALYSIS

    Frontline reporter Scott Malone reported "T-4" has not been identified. It has been suggested

    that "T-4" was an illegal wiretap put on Michael Paine's telephone after the assassination. Note

    how Barger placed the date of the tap later in time. By November 23, 1963, he had received

    permission to tap Michael Paine's telephone from the courts. The telephone records, which are

    generally fairly accurate - they are used as evidence in court - placed the call on November 22,

    1963. Note how Barger had also forgotten the source of this information.

    The telephone records indicated that Ruth Paine placed a collect call to Michael Paine from his

    office to his home yet no one at Bell Helicopter testified that they saw Ruth Paine at the facility

    that day. Marina Oswald testified that Ruth Paine was not absent any time during that entire

    day.

    Yet telephone records indicated that some time on November 22, 1963, probably shortly after

    the Kennedy assassination, Ruth Paine went to Michael Paine's office. Marina could have

    watched the children. Michael Paine was not there, so she called him at his house. Perhaps

    Michael Paine went to Ruth Paine's home, and finding that she was not there he drove home,

    where he received a telephone call from his wife calling collect from his office. Not realizing his

    telephone would be tapped in so short a time, Michael Paine commented that he felt sure LEE

    HARVEY OSWALD had killed the President, but he did not feel OSWALD was responsible,

    and further stated: 'We both know who is responsible.' They both thought that the CIA was

    responsible, because people connected with the CIA had told them to befriend OSWALD.

    WHEN DID RUTH PAINE KNOW OSWALD WAS A SUSPECT

    Ruth Paine testified that after she heard that President Kennedy had been shot in the vicinity

    of the Texas School Book Depository, she thought that "LEE might be able to say somewhat

    about what happened, had been close to the event. This was my thought, that we would know

    somebody who would be able to give or possibly give a first hand - I never thought of him as a

    violent man. He never said anything against President Kennedy, nor anything about President

    Kennedy. I had no idea that he had a gun." She said she told Marina what had happened.

    During one part of Ruth Paine's testimony before the Warren Commission she was asked:

    McCloy: You said you were sitting on the sofa. While you were listening or looking at the

    television, was there any announcement over the television of a suspicion being cast on LEE?

    Paine: It had been announced that they had caught someone in a theater, but there was no

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    name given.

    McCloy: So up to this point there was no suggestion that LEE was involved.

    Paine: No, not until the officers came to the door. [Paine Test. To WC p70] (REALLY ?? GAAL)

    Ruth Paine testified that Michael Paine arrived at her home in the mid-afternoon. She was

    asked:

    Jenner: Now would you please tell me exactly to the best of your recollection the words of your

    husband as he walked in the door.

    Paine: I don't recall his saying anything.

    Jenner: Now his words if any with respect to why he had come.

    Paine: I asked him before he volunteered. I said something to the effect of "How did you know

    to come?"

    Jenner: What did he say.

    Paine: He said he heard on the radio at work that OSWALD was in custody, and he came

    immediately to the house.

    Jenner: And that is what you recall he said.

    Paine: That is right...I might interject one recollection if you want of Michael having telephoned

    to me after the assassination. He wanted to know if I heard.

    Jenner: Did he call you before he arrived at your home?

    Paine: He called, he knew about the assassination. He had been told by a waitress at lunch

    time. [Paine WC test. P110]

    ANALYSIS

    Ruth Paine was lying about the events of the day. First she testified that she did not know that

    OSWALD was a suspect until Dallas Police Officers came to her door. Later she said she

    heard it from Michael Paine.

    HOSTY, ODUM, HOWE AND DeBRUEYS

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    The FBI reported that on November 26, 1963, material of various types which had been

    recovered by the Dallas Police Department from OSWALD'S and Ruth Paine's residence were

    turned over to Howe, Hosty and DeBRUEYS. [WCE 2077 p139] The post-assassination

    investigation of the Paine family was conducted and directed by FBI Agents Bardwell Odum,

    Kenneth Howe, WARREN C. DeBRUEYS and James P. Hosty. S.A. Hosty questioned the

    Paines 15 times. Ruth Paine believed OSWALD was guilty because of "massive circumstantial

    evidence that surrounds his relationship, or where he was, what he had, at the time of the

    assassination." Michael Paine did not believe that OSWALD could have been a provocation:

    "You can weave any kind of a plot you want, but he was not a provocation. I don't see that.

    When the assassination occurred I didn't suppose that he had done it. I didn't think he could,

    because it didn't fit with my understanding of what his objectives would be. The only way I

    could figure a reason for him doing this was his convoluted argument that you get in Johnson

    and Johnson being more to the right, would have angered the left more. It struck me as a spur

    of the moment action which wasn't the result of much advance planning. And it struck me that

    he must have done that after he had seen the motorcade route published a day before his visit.

    He saw it was going to go right by his building there. Get himself on the map. What's he gonna

    take his rifle for, if he wasn't going to assassinate the President? OSWALD was not an

    instrument of the right. He was a bona fide leftist, no question of his sincerity...." Michael Paine

    was asked, "You have no CIA-connection?" He responded, "No connection with that. The

    closest connection I have had, that I knew of, was I took a trip with the Presbyterian Church

    Choir. We went to Germany and we had an FBI person who was a choir member. He couldn't

    dare go into East Germany. We took a little tourist trip there." Michael Paine was asked if he

    believed the CIA was involved with overseas assassinations. He said, "Yes, I do. I think it is

    bad for us. I think they're clumsy. Well, not just clumsy..." He was asked if he believed the CIA

    might have been involved in any domestic assassinations. "I don't speculate a lot" Michael

    Paine said, "but if there was going to be a conspiracy in which OSWALD was involved, then it

    would have been with some other little buddies who loved Cuba, and were still incensed at

    Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs. I have no idea what motivated RUBY, and why he felt so

    outraged as to deprive the nation of a trial of this person. I don't know about RUBY'S organized

    crime connections." The Kennedy assassination reunited the Paines; Michael Paine moved in

    with his wife and child.

    THE MISSING MINOX WDE

    When journalist Earl Goltz interviewed Dallas Police Detective Gus Rose, one of the officers

    who searched the Ruth Paine's home after the assassination, Gus Rose remembered having

    found a "small German camera and black case on a chain and film." Gus Rose inventoried the

    evidence and turned it over to FBI Agent WARREN C. DeBRUEYS, who identified the Minox

    camera as a Minox light meter. Michael Paine stated: "I did have a light meter for a Minox. I

    kind of forgotten that I had a light meter. And it looked like a half-size version of a Minox

    camera. It had the same leather case and flexible metal chain. They didn't get it at the same

    time. They got the camera later."

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    If a Minox light meter was found among OSWALD'S possessions, was there a camera that

    accompanied it? Michael Paine, who stored his possessions in the same garage as OSWALD,

    was questioned about this. He said "He owns a Minox camera and that camera is at his home

    in Irving, Texas. Several years ago he dropped this camera in salt water off the coast of Cape

    Cod, Massachusetts, and after retrieving it, soaking it in kerosine and cleaning same, it

    appeared to be in good working condition. Thereafter, someone bent the shutter by pulling the

    lens out too far, and, to the best of his knowledge, it is not now in working condition. He stated

    that he did have some cans of film, and that some of them were probably exposed film, but

    that the pictures made on this film were at least five years old. He stated that he had a case for

    the camera and other accessories including a light meter. He stated that when the police came

    to his house on November 22, 1963, they took the entire contents on a drawer containing

    photographic equipment which included the items mentioned above with the exception of the

    camera. He stated that this camera was in his garage at that time and that although he

    mentioned the camera to the police, they did not seem interested in it. He stated that he is sure

    LEE HARVEY OSWALD never used this camera, and he is of the opinion that it is not in

    working condition at the present time. Mr. Paine stated he had no knowledge of a 'no

    admittance' sign which was picked-up by the police at his residence. He stated this sign is not

    his and he has never seen it before." [FBI DL 100-10461 1.31.64 Bardwell Odum] On February

    1, 1964, Ruth Paine gave FBI SA Bardwell Odum a Minox III camera, serial number 27259.

    THE THREE UNDEVELOPED ROLLS OF FILM

    The Dallas Police Department found three undeveloped rolls of Minox film in Michael Paine's

    garage. "Two Minox cassettes, one containing film; two containers with unexposed Minox film."

    Detective Gus Rose said he found one roll in OSWALD'S sea bag. This researcher applied for

    these photographs under the Freedom of Information Act. The FBI stated: "In as much as the

    material you requested is of great historical interest, these pages are being released to you

    without excisions." [ltr. Allen H. McCreight FBI 6.12.78] The FBI Laboratory Report on the

    exposed film stated that two of the rolls had been exposed in Michael Paine's camera but the

    other was not:

    FBI LABORATORY

    FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION WASHINGTON D.C.

    Bureau request November 25, 1963

    Request comparison of Minox film recovered from possessions of LEE HARVEY OSWALD in

    the assassination of President Kennedy, November 22, 1963, Dallas, Texas, case with

    specimen Q5.

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    Result of examination:

    It has been determined that the questioned Minox film designated as specimen Q5 in this case

    was not exposed in the same camera as Minox film recovered from the possessions of LEE

    HARVEY OSWALD (Item 377) in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, November

    22, 1963, Dallas, Texas, case. [FBI 62-109060-NR 12.2.63 #174]

    Michael Paine was contacted in July 1993. He said, "All the ones that I've seen copies of prints

    of, have been taken by me, yes. I took a camera with me. I bought the camera originally

    because I wanted something I could carry in my pocket all the time. I was hoping you could

    make good pictures with that camera, but it was very tricky, everything had to be right. So it

    didn't have any use, I thought." It was pointed out to Michael Paine that the Minox is most often

    used for photographing documents. He agreed, "It was noted for that purpose, yeah. It was, of

    course, good for, it could take pictures up close. When I got to Korea I took along a little

    developing tumbler about the size of a glass. But the water we had was out of the rice paddies,

    and I thought it would leave little specks of dirt, so I never tried developing the things I did in

    Korea. I guess I never used it again. I used a different camera, stereoscopic. It's news to me

    that there should be a roll mixed-in with mine. That seems very odd."

    THE PHOTOGRAPHS

    The two rolls of Minox film that were taken with Michael Paine's Minox camera contained

    photos of a trip to Europe. The roll that was not taken with Michael Paine's camera seem to

    have been photographed in either Qemoy or Matsu. The photographs depicted several

    Marines horsing around on a large military vessel; a shot a tanker and LST-845P, shots of an

    island from offshore; shots entering a harbor; Asian children walking past a heavily fortified

    military base; a Chinese funeral passing the perimeter of the base, and a photo of OSWALD

    with an M-16. Click HERE. to see one of these photographs.

    ANALYSIS

    OSWALD possessed a Minox camera while he was in the Marines. JFK CIA document

    1993.06.18.16:24:34:590000 is a piece of an envelope from SR/CI/R listing contents as "One

    folder XAAZ-22448 May 5, 1965, State Department Files 1963. 2) Paine photos removed and

    attached to DBA 64420, from which they had been taken."

    RUTH PAINE POST COUP

    On September 17, 1965, Ruth Paine asked Mr. Maceo Smith of the Federal Housing

    Administration for the names of Negro families interested in purchasing houses in Irving,

    Texas, and asked for help in furthering her efforts in this regard: "Mr. Smith advised that Mrs.

    Paine obtained his name by contacting a principal of an Irving, Texas, school and asking for

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    the name of a Negro who might be able to help her in her integration efforts." Ruth Paine's

    request was transmitted to E. J. Dee, Director, Federal Housing Administration Insuring Office,

    Dallas, Texas: "Mr. Dee stated he is of the opinion some Negro people of the Irving, Texas,

    area have been contacted by Mrs. Paine, but they, the Negroes, do not want anything to do

    with her. He said he arrived at this opinion as he, Dee, was contacted by a leader of the Negro

    community of Bear Creek near Irving, Texas, who told him they did not want to have anything

    to do with Ruth Paine, and asked Mr. Dee if he could keep her away from them." In June 1976

    Ruth Paine was living on a yacht in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. In 1991 she became U.S.

    Coordinator of Pro-Nica, a project of the southeastern yearly meeting of the American Friends

    Service Committee. In this capacity she had dealings with the Sandinistas. When questioned

    by the Warren Commission in 1964 Paine was asked:

    Jenner: What is your personal attitude towards the Castro regime?

    Paine: I have very few opinions about it. I suspect that the press is correct, that it is used for a

    jumping off ground for people, for Communist deputies going to Central American countries,

    trying to stir up trouble. That I object to strenuously. That the people of Cuba have Castro as a

    leader is not of any particular offense to me. I do think he has more popular support than his

    predecessor.

    In 1991 Ruth Paine put out a newsletter about Nicaragua, describing it as "a roller coaster of

    ups and downs, a kaleidoscope of progress and decay...Unemployment is estimated at 50%.

    The central government is broke. The AID funds account for about one third of the

    Government of Nicaragua's budget. Nicaraguan men and women have discovered what a free

    society can mean to them, and they are not likely to forget it."

    As of 1992 Ruth Paine was living in Managua, Nicaragua, and St. Petersburg, Florida. This

    interviewer spoke with Ruth Paine during the Summer of 1993 and pointed out some of the

    facts contained in this book. She stated, "Mostly I don't like to do interviews much. But anyway,

    you're an interesting guy though."

    "Can you see why I am convinced that there was a conspiracy involved?"

    "I certainly see that, yes. From the vantage point I had, it didn't look that way. Because here he

    was, already a very strange guy. He had a rifle, and he was doing clandestine things, like

    having an assumed name. Made him look a little strange. He was a very unstable kind of guy."

    In December 1994 Ruth Paine was living in St. Augustine, Florida, and working in Tampa,

    Florida as a school psychologist and still did volunteer work for the Quakers. [Xmas card

    12.30.94]

  12. Thanks for posting my bio, and thanks for the considered response. It isn't in any way an odd post, or disturbingly bizarre; perfectly normal in fact, like all your other ones Steven.

    Ok, back on Planet Earth, which small part of Harvey and Lee do you think Armstrong may have got wrong Steven? Or is absolutely everything rock solid, factually correct, and with not even one small piddling mistake? Do you have ANY criticism at all of his conclusions? If so, what?

    Hope you can provide an answer.

    Regards

    P.S. Posting my bio provoked me to take a brief look at yours. I notice you say you "follow the Lord". I bet his first name begins with a J! // LAVERICK

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    Golly Laverick great detective !! Begins with J !! very good !! (GAAL)

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    I wish Armstrong had investigated Leslie Welding and Ekdahl in a deeper fashion. (GAAL)
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    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6017&p=285893
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    BLOGGER leslie sharp says:

    March 29, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    In 1963, Zeppa sat on the board of Lone Star Steel along with several of Dallas’ most powerful bankers. It is odd that Lone Star’s direct bank however was American National Bank and Trust of Chicago, coincidentally the same banker used by Ero Manufacturing, employer of Lawrence V. Meyers. Through ANBT there is also a direct link to Leslie Welding in Ft. Worth.

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    Leslie Welding in Ft. Worth. (employer Lee Harvey Oswald)

    see link

    http://jfkassassinat...mony/bargas.htm

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    1.Further Issues and Serious Fraud Instances: Thirty-Two Articles ... - Google Books Result
    books.google.com/books?isbn=059586399X

    Sally Ramage - ‎2006 - 261 pages

    One was Helliwell; he was involved with the CIA, and was a well-known political
    ... at the American National Bank and Trust Company of Chicago were found in ...

    2.[PDF] Assignment Assumption and Amendment of CIA (00120942).DOC

    ww2.vbg.org/.../Contingent%20Infra%20Agrmt%20Amended%203-26-2012%20Exhib%20I.pdf

    •Cached
    Mar 26, 2012 ... National Association, successor trustee to American National Bank and Trust
    Company of Chicago, as. Trustee under Trust Agreement dated ...
    3.Florida Risk Planning Consultants, Inc. v. Transport Life Insurance ...

    https://www.courtlis...sultants-inc-v-transport-/

    •Cached
    Apr 20, 1984 ... American National Bank and Trust Company of Chicago, Cross-Appellee v. ...
    Thus CIA acted as a conduit between FRP and Transport.

    •Follow The Yellow Brick Road: Part Two | Scoop News
    www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0204/S00030.htm

    •Cached
    Apr 5, 2002 ... Mrs. Ferdinand is the daughter of Albert Carone, a CIA-Mafia ..... came from the
    American National Bank and Trust Company of Chicago.
    1 - TechNewsWorldwww.technewsworld.com/perl/search.pl?&www...org... ‎

    1.

    •Cached
    Word that the Pentagon and CIA are using bank records to actively spy on ... with
    American National Bank and Trust Company of Chicago to June 15th. Notably ...

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    Who Was Edwin Albert Ekdahl, Stepfather of Lee Harvey Oswald? >>>> see below link
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    https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?10872-Who-Was-Edwin-Albert-Ekdahl-Stepfather-of-Lee-Harvey-Oswald

    =================================================
    Seems LHO can be made up out of whole cloth. (GAAL)


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  13. Cop Fired For Standing By While His Partner Kicked Man In Head Wants Job Back informationliberation 11:19

    Facing Intense Pressure, IRS Drops Civil Forfeiture Case in North Carolina informationliberation 11:19

    Police Said the Video Showing this Cop's Excessive Force Did Not Exist, They Were Lying informationliberation 11:19

    Baltimore Police Officer Will Serve Six Months for Beating Caught on Video informationliberation 11:19

    Man Jailed For 29 Years For 'Resembling' Serial Rapist informationliberation 11:19

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    State Police Attempt to Punish Man at Checkpoint by Towing His Truck informationliberation 11:19

    Security Guard Videos Himself Being Attacked by Plainclothes Cop in an Apparent Fit of "Road... informationliberation 11:19

    Five Bogus Excuses for Opposing Freedom informationliberation 11:19

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    go to http://www.informationliberation.com/ for above

    (COMMENT, GAAL > police seem to be out of control)

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    8th Grader Arrested, Threatened with Beatings and Held for 6 Days in Jail – For Throwing Skittles

    http://www.blacklistednews.com/8th_Grader_Arrested%2C_Threatened_with_Beatings_and_Held_for_6_Days_in_Jail_%E2%80%93_For_Throwing_Skittles/43954/0/38/38/Y/M.html

    Jefferson Parrish, LA — In a Jefferson Parrish School District in Louisiana, an eighth grader was handcuffed and dragged out of the classroom…for throwing skittles. He was then held for six days.

    For throwing skittles.

    The boy had allegedly thrown the candy on a school bus the previous day. A report from Vocativ states:

    “The following day, as the boy was taking a social studies test, a police officer assigned to the school handcuffed him, dragged him out of class and arrested him. He was charged with “interference with an educational facility” and battery.

    As the officer led the handcuffed teenager out of the school, both students and faculty heard him threaten to “beat the f*** out of [the boy],” or to have his son, who is about the same age, do it for him. The student, who is African-American, spent six days in a juvenile detention facility before seeing a judge, whose first comment was: “Am I to get this right? Are we really here about Skittles?”

    The mother has pulled the young boy from the school.

    This is no isolated incident. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Jefferson Parish School District has had over 1600 kids arrested for things like carrying a cell phone, swearing, or not adhering to dress code. Arrested.

    In what universe is this acceptable?

    They also found that black students make up 80% of those arrested, despite that fact that black students make up only 40% of the school district. The SPLC has reportedly called on the Department of Justice “to intervene with the school’s unwarranted arrests of overwhelmingly minority students.”

    According to SPLC attorney Eden Heilman,

    “The Jefferson Parish Public School System has continued its destructive practice of arresting and jailing children for minor, and often trivial, violations of school rules and decorum. It’s nothing less than a racially biased system of criminalizing African-American children.”

    The school district stated publicly that it was aware of the situation and will be working to fix it.

  14. "Hey Don, how's it going buddy? It must be, what, twenty years...? Did you know that my tonsils grew back after I had that operation?" //

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    I am a semi pro musician and jobbing actor from Hull East Yorkshire in the north of England. I used to be a sales manager in the once mighty local fishing industry, and I ran my own tapas bar in Spain for a couple of years.

    I am married to Yvonne and we have been together for 35 years. We have an amazing 27 yr old daughter and an incredibly boisterous English Springer Spaniel puppy called Charlie.

    I first became interested in the JFK assassination over 30 years ago yet despite reading dozens of books and thousands of essays, articles, and forum posts...I haven't a clue what really happened! But more and more I am slowly learning what didn't happen and what couldn't have happened. That's a start. // LAVERICK

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    Yes the ref given is for tonsils removed in the USA. Those poor Brits don't seem to know one organ from another !!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o

  15. THANKS EVAN you are real consistent in presenting the baloney........

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    Saturday, April 18, 2015
    SURPRISE! YET ANOTHER BELLING CAT-CIA-WALL STREET LINK

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    In September last year it was announced that:

    Open-source investigations site Bellingcat today launched a new project to investigate global networks of crime and corruption.

    The London Project Investigathon is a collaboration between Bellingcat, Hacks/Hackers London and the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP).

    It will bring together journalists, investigators and researchers to share knowledge on the latest open-source tools and techniques required to carry out investigations, by organising regular events to work on live projects.

    "Because these are transferable skills, we can set them up doing projects that we're giving them but they'll learn stuff that they can use in their own projects," said Eliot Higgins, founder of Bellingcat and the Brown Moses blog on munitions used in the Syrian conflict.

    [source : New Bellingcat project to investigate cross-border corruption, Journalism, https://www.journalism.co.uk/news/new-bellingcat-project-to-investigate-cross-border-corruption/s2/a562610/, 29th September 2014]

    The Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) is of great interest. Why? Because it has links to the CIA and George Soros.

    The very, very long home page of the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) states the following right at the very bottom:

    Made possible by Open Society Institute and Soros Foundation Network, and USAID

    Can you guess who the OCCRP's Man of the Year is?

    I'll give you a few clues:
    1. he was the driving force behind the BRICS Development Bank;
    2. he stopped the planned war on Syria in 2013 after Prince Bandar's false flag of Ghouta;
    3. he is supporting Syria against the not-so-covert invasion of Syria by the Saudi-sponsored international cutthroat Jihadi butchers.

    You should have enough now to deduce that OCCRP's Man of the Year is.......VLADIMIR PUTIN!!

    Here is what OCCRP say about Putin:

    Putin has been a finalist every year so you might consider this a lifetime achievement award. He has been a real innovator in working with organized crime. He has created a military-industrial-political-criminal complex that furthers Russia’s and Putin’s personal interests. I think Putin sees those interests as one and the same.
    - Drew Sullivan, Editor of OCCRP

    Why should we be very suspicious of the motives of OCCRP?

    USAID is a CIA front. It was initially created by JFK to foster economic development and humanitarian projects. But someone put a stop to that on 22nd November 1963 (and it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald from a sixth floor window). In Vietnam the CIA took over USAID. Since then USAID has been helping to violently and covertly through subversion spread Americanism across the globe.

    So why is USAID financing OCCRP, an organisation that apparently has Putin as its number one target?

    Hmm. Could it be that OCCRP has a hidden agenda?

    And then we have Rothschild agent George Soros. Do you realise how Soros came to be so rich? During the early 1990's Soros attacked several currencies in Europe, including the Pound Sterling with the green light from Buckingham Palace. He lived to tell the tale and is now a powerful man in Bilderberg, which suggests it was all an engineered scam. Soros uses his ill gotten gains to further the agenda by funding colour revolutions in former Soviet states, euthanasia and drug legalisation. For a good expose of who Soros is and what he represents (which is pure scum) see The Secret Financial Network Behind "Wizard" George Soros by William Engdahl, and Your Enemy, George Soros by EIR.

    And this Hacks/Hackers partner of BellingCat and OCCRP may not be so independent either. They are funded by the Knight Foundation whose founder worked as US Director of Censorship in London during WW2, thus indicating a strong desire to work for the American government in controlling information.

    So far from being an independent good-hearted project, this looks to me like Belling Cat, wittingly or unwittingly, have jumped into bed once again with the CIA-Wall Street cabal, in addition to Higgins' secret undisclosed relationship with the warmongering CIA Neocon Atlantic Council.

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    Criticism[edit]

    Richard Lloyd and Theodore Postol of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology stated that "although he has been widely quoted as an expert in the American mainstream media, [he] has changed his facts every time new technical information has challenged his conclusion that the Syrian government must have been responsible for the sarin attack. In addition, the claims that Higgins makes that are correct are all derived from our findings, which have been transmitted to him in numerous exchanges."[16]

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    http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/19/2529

    BOTTOM LINE GUY WITH A BLOG WHO SUPPORTS CIA ......

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    bellingcat
    ‏@bellingcat Just to clarify, the new Bellingcat report definitely does not say we've ID'd the MH17 Buk crew. We see it's being misreported.

    (EVAN EVEN HE IS SLIGHTLY BACKING OFF ,above !!!!!)

    This is Belling Cat's role: to produce reports like this, state assumption as fact, the NATO media then report it as fact, and the gullible NATO public think that Russia shot down MH17 and thus support sanctions and possible war against Russia, when nothing has been proven, only suggested.

    But what is really funny is that NATO media and the Murdoch press have worshipped and beatified the neo-Nazis that NATO ran to oust a legitimately elected government which has led to the deaths of 6000 civilians of East Ukraine fighting that Nazism. This fact is omitted.

    And I'll tell you what else isn't funny at all: the complete ignorance of the 8 eyewitnesses who have stated on camera that they say saw a fighter jet close to MH17 when it was shot down, and another who says on camera, indicating with his hands, that MH17 was attacked from behind, suggesting an attack from the UAF, in complete contradiction to that amateurish image of an arc intercepting a line over Donetsk produced by the US State Dept.

  16. Gov’t Experts: Hordes of jellyfish 10 blocks long off west coast of Seattle; So dense it’s like you can just walk on them… Disturbing when all you pull up are huge masses of jellyfish — NPR: They seem to be replacing fish in food chain — Herring disappear, mysterious spike in salmon deaths (PHOTOS)

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    http://enenews.com/govt-experts-huge-jellyfish-blooms-10-blocks-long-seattle-coast-fairly-disturbing-when-all-pull-huge-masses-jellyfish-npr-be-replacing-fish-food-chain-herring-disappeared-salmon-dying-photos

  17. Police Killing David Dehmann Video - Officer Chase Wright Slams Autistic Man's Head into the Ground

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    Added by Old Denmark on May 14, 2015 at 12:09pm

    http://12160.info/video/police-killing-david-dehmann-video-officer-chase-wright-slams?xg_source=activity

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    TSA Groping Scandal Just Got a Whole Lot Bigger

    http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.com/2015/05/tsa-groping-scandal-just-got-whole-lot.html

  18. Hi Steve

    Interesting information on JFK's head wound.

    Ever think about starting your own thread, and putting this info there? // Prudhomme

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    Sorry I'll leave the SBT to you. Just when I see DVP I plan to see "LONE NUT" time and my eyes glaze over. OVEROUT THIS THREAD sg

    In summary, no single headshot can encompass all of the data.// MANTIK

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