David G. Healy Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 (edited) Also, this may be of some information...both Bell Aircraft and LTV (Chance Vaught at the time) had operations at Pt. Mugu, about 10 miles from Oxnard. My Dad worked for both companies. This is interesting. And I'm glad you and James responded to this. I was thinking of Camarillo Ranch and I just thought of MK/ULTRA and the Manson family at Spahn Ranch. Probably no connection. Have you heard of one? And who is Osbourne? Kathy ***********************************************************8 Spahn Ranch is nestled between the western side of Box Canyon and the Santa Susanna Pass Road, which is at the Ventura/Los Angeles County line, bordered by Simi Valley on the west and the city of Chatsworth to the east. Box canyon was a favorite film location for the old Hopalong Cassidy movies and serials. The rock formations are spectacular. Rocket Dyne and Hughes had, and probably still have, a lot of acreage out in that area, cordoned off by high chain linked fences, topped with barbed wire on some of the more remote sections of the property, surveillance cameras, and many DANGER NO TRESPASSING signs strategically placed throughout, from what I can remember. I also lived in Box Canyon in the late 1970's, before moving to T.O. in the early 1980's. What must they be doing out there? Another "Area 51"? MK/ULTRA stuff? FWIW. Although Area 51 is not located where we've been talking about, the reason you can see it from Google Earth is because nobody is there anymore. They moved to another section of the desert. I know a woman and her husband who drove around out there lost and they could see air vents in the mountains. But no one came after them. If you look it up on Google Earth, you'll see there are a lot of Air Force Bases around there. Also, from what I've read, the old Area 51 is radioactive. So much for spooks. Kathy ************************************************************** "What must they be doing out there? Another "Area 51"? MK/ULTRA stuff?" Seriously, I think they're noted for aircraft parts, assemblage, rocket science, the usual milspecs required in the manufacture and production of government/corporate issued contracts for materials and acquisition. What and where was "Area 51" supposed to be? Area 51 was nothing more, nor less, than a super-secret/secure test area with runways for super-secret aviation test vehicles from disk-shaped [uFO-type in the '50s and '60s] to stealth bombers and more...and not the only one...just the one most known. Then there's Tonopah, Nv (also in the Area 51/Nellis AFB test range area). The little Nevada town that kept a 7 year secret; the STEALTH F-117... I came through Tonopah earlier this week... Edited June 30, 2007 by David G. Healy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 "Area 51 was nothing more, nor less, than a super-secret/secure test area with runways for super-secret aviation test vehicles from disk-shaped [uFO-type in the '50s and '60s] to stealth bombers and more...and not the only one...just the one most known." I was wondering how closely associated they were with the S.A.C. bases in SoCal, such as Edwards, March, Travis, and Vandenberg, when I decided to google Strategic Air Command Bases of California and came up with the link below. Which also happened to reveal that out of the 75 or so, bases continentally located, as well as those in any outlying territories, only 10 remain "active" as Strategic Air Command bases. Out of the 75 original Strategic Air Command bases, 63 have been decommissioned of their S.A.C. status, 30 remain active as Air Force bases, and 33 have been closed. That's something like 75 Strategic Air Command bases, 65 of which were decommissioned as such, and 10 remaining to mind the store. It makes one wonder where all the money we're supposedly saving by the decommissioning of these strategic defense positions, is really going. And, might this not also account for the shoddy ETA response to 9/11? Strategic Air Command Bases This section contains a web page for each air base used by the Strategic Air Command. Most of them were assigned to the command and are thus considered "SAC ... www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/0-base-homepage2.htm - 87k - Cached - Similar pages What's New Great Photos of the 4123 Strategic Wing Days at Clinton-Sherman AFB What's Left Summary Information Barksdale AFB - ACTIVE Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Now home of 2nd Bomb Wing. - One of the two remaining B-52 Wings. Many prior units at the base. See the page for details. Link: Barksdale AFB Dyess AFB - ACTIVE Location: Abilene, Texas. - Formerly Abilene AFB Former home of 96th Bomb Wing, 341st Bomb / Missile Wing Now home of 7th Bomb Wing - Flies B-1Bs Links: Dyess AFB, Unofficial Dyess AFB Ellsworth AFB - ACTIVE Location: 12 mi. east-northeast of Rapid City, South Dakota. Former home of 44th Bomb / Missile Wing, 99th Bomb Wing . Now home of the 28th Bomb Wing. Flies the B-1 Ellsworth AFB, Black Hills Bandit - online newspaper, South Dakota Air & Space Museum Francis E. Warren AFB - ACTIVE Need photos Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming Former home of 389th Bomb Wing, 706th Strategic Missile Wing, 90th Strategic Missile Wing Home of the 90th Space Wing. Nation's largest and most modern strategic missile unit. Today, the wing maintains 150 Minuteman III missiles and 50 Peacekeeper missiles Link: Francis E. Warren AFB Grand Forks AFB- ACTIVE Location: 16 mi. west of Grand Forks, North Dakota. Former home of 319th Bomb Wing, 321st Bomb Wing, 4133rd Strategic Wing, Now home of 319th Air Refueling Wing and 321st Strategic Missile Wing. Link: Grand Forks AFB Malmstrom AFB- ACTIVE Location: 1.5 miles east of Great Falls. - Formerly Great Falls AFB Home of 341st Strategic Missile Wing Link: Malmstrom AFB - Good image library. Many planes and missiles. McConnell AFB - ACTIVE Location: 5 mi. southeast of Wichita, Kansas Former home of 384 BW. Now home of 22nd ARW and B-2s flown by 184th BW, National Guard. NEED PICTURES Link: McConnell AFB Minot AFB - ACTIVE Location: 13 miles north of Minot, N.D. America's "double punch" base - B-52 bombers and Minuteman Missiles. Former home of 450th Missile Wing, 455th Missile Wing, 4136th Strategic Wing Now home of 5th Bomb Wing and 91st Missile Wing, Link: Minot AFB, Missile Locations Robins AFB - ACTIVE Location: 15 miles southeast of Macon Georgia Former home of 4137th Strategic Wing, 465th Bomb Wing, 19th Bomb Wing, Now home of 116th BW, Air National Guard - B1-B bombers Link: Robins AFB, Robins Aviation Museum Whiteman AFB - ACTIVE Location: 2 mi. south of Knob Noster, Missouri Former home of 100th Bomb Wing, 340th Bomb / Missile Wing, 351st Missile Wing Now home of 509th Bomb Wing, which flies the B-2 Link: Whiteman AFB What's Gone Summary Information 12 Mile Post - See Eielson, AFB, Alaska Altus AFB - ACTIVE Need photos Location: Altus, Oklahoma. Home of 96th Bombardment Wing: 1953-1957; 11th Bombardment Wing: 1957-58 Now Strategic Airlift and Air Refueling Training Center. Link: Altus AFB Abilene AFB - See Dyess AFB Amarillo AFB - CLOSED Need photos Location: 8 miles from Amarillo, Texas 4128th Strategic Wing (1960-1963) 461st Bombardment Wing (1963-1968) Deactivated December 31, 1968. Andersen AFB - ACTIVE Location: Yigo, Guam. 3960th Strategic Wing, 43rd Strategic Wing, 19th Bomb Wing Link: Andersen Air Force Base, Guam Andrews AFB - ACTIVE Location: Maryland, 11 miles southeast of Washington, D.C. First Strategic Air Command Headquarters. Now the home of Air Force One. Link: Andrews AFB Beale AFB - ACTIVE Location: California Home of 9th 17th 100th 456th Bomb Wings and 4126th Strategic Wing. Now home of 9th Reconnaissance Wing Link: Beale AFB Bergstrom AFB - CLOSED Need photos Location: Texas. Former home of 340th Bomb Wing, 4130th Strategic Wing Now the Austin-Bergstrom International Airport Biggs AFB - CLOSED Location: Texas. Former home of 95th Bomb Wing, 97th Bomb Wing Link: Biggs History Site - EXCELLENT Blytheville AFB - See Eaker AFB Bolling AFB - ACTIVE Location: Washington, DC, Now home of the 11th Wing. The Bombers are gone. In fact, the 11th doesn't even have any airplanes Link: Bolling AFB Bunker Hill AFB - See Grissom AFB Cannon AFB - ACTIVE Need Photos Location: Clovis, New Mexico. Formerly Clovis AFB Home of 27th Fighter Wing, SAC fighter escort 1947-1948. Link: Cannon Air Force Base Carswell AFB - CLOSED Location: Texas - formerly Fort Worth AFB Home of the B-36. 7th Bomb Wing, 11th BombWing, 43rd Bomb Wing, 4123rd Strategic Wing Now a Naval Air Station Link: Fort Worth Naval Air Station Castle AFB - CLOSED Location: Merced County, California. Former home of 93rd Bomb Wing Links: Castle Air Museum Chatham AFB - See Hunter AFB Chennault AFB - CLOSED Location: Lake Charles Louisiana Chennault had two B-47 wings. Former home of 44th Bomb Wing, 68th Strategic Recon / Bomb Wing Links: Chennault Airport Clinton-Sherman AFB - CLOSED Location: Clinton, Oklahoma Former home of 70th Bomb Wing, 4123rd Strategic Wing Links: Clinton-Sherman Industrial Airport Clovis AFB See Cannon AFB Columbus AFB - ACTIVE Location: Columbus, Mississippi Former home of 54th Bomb Wing, 4228th Strategic Wing Now home of the 14th Flying Training Wing Links: Columbus AFB Davis-Monthan AFB - ACTIVE Location: Tucson, Arizona The base where many SAC wings got started Former home of 444th Bomb Group, 2nd Bomb Wing, 43rd Bomb Wing, 100th Bomb Wing, 303rd Bomb Wing, 390th Bomb Wing. Now home of 355th Wing flys A-10s Active. Assigned to Air Combat Command. Best known as Air Force aircraft graveyard. Links: Davis-Monthan AFB, Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center (the graveyard) Dow AFB - CLOSED Need photos Location: Bangor, Maine Former home of 4038th Strategic Wing, 397th Bomb Wing, Links: Bangor International Airport | Dow Reunion Page Eaker AFB - CLOSED Location: Blytheville, Arkansas - Formerly Blytheville AFB Former home of 97th Bomb Wing, 461st Bomb Wing (B-57s - non SAC) Link: Arkansas Aeroplex and Arkansas International Airport Eglin AFB - ACTIVE Location: 7 mi. northeast of Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Former home of 4135th Strategic Wing, 39th Bomb Wing Link: Eglin AFB, Air Force Armament Museum Eielson AFB - ACTIVE Location: 26 mi. southeast of Fairbanks, Alaska Former home of 6th Bomb / Strategic Wing, 97th Bomb Wing. Now home of 354th Fighter Wing Link: Eielson AFB Fairchild AFB - ACTIVE Location: 12 mi. west-southwest of Spokane, Washington - Formerly Spokane AFB Former home of 90th Bomb / Missile Wing, 92nd Bomb Wing, 98th Bomb Wing, 99th Bomb Wing Now home of the 92nd Air Refueling Wing. Link: Fairchild AFB Forbes AFB - CLOSED Location: 3 miles south of Topeka, Kansas Former home of 55th Strategic / Strategic Recon Wing, 90th Bomb Wing, 40th Bomb Wing The 90th Bomb Wing trained the 308th Bomb Wing, 310th Bomb Wing, 376th Bomb Wing Closed in 1973. Links: Topeka Airport, Forbes History, 40th Bomb Wing Site - Lots of good stuff Forth Worth AFB - Carswell AFB Glasgow AFB - CLOSED Need photos Location: 26 miles north of the city of Glasgow, Montana. Former home of 4141st Strategic Wing, 91st Bomb Wing. Now a Boeing test base Link: Goose Bay AB - CLOSED Location: Labrador Former home of 95th Bomb / Strategic / Air Base Wing , 4082nd Strategic Wing Turned over to Canada in 1967 Grand Island AFB Location: Nebraska Reportedly operated B-29 in late 1940s. No further information. Great Falls AFB - See Malstrom AFB Grenier AFB - CLOSED Location: New Hampshire. Former home of 82nd Fighter Wing (1947). Now an Air Station. Link: Grissom AFB - ACTIVE Location: Indiana - Formerly Bunker Hill AFB Former Home of 305th Bomb Wing; Now home of 434th Air Refueling Wing, AF Reserve. Link: Grissom Air Reserve Base, Grissom Air Museum Grenier Field, NE - See Kearney AFB Griffis AFB - CLOSED Location: Rome, New York Former home of 416th Bomb Wing, 4039th Strategic Wing. Closed Sept 30, 1965 Link: Hanscom AFB - ACTIVE Location: Location: 17 mi. northwest of Boston, Mass Former home of ? . Now 66th home of Air Base Wing - Electronic Systems Support Link: Hanscom AFB Homestead AFB - CLOSED Location: 25 miles south of Miami, Florida Former home of 19th Bomb Wing, 379th Bomb Wing Links: Hunter AFB - CLOSED Location: Savannah, Georgia Former home of 2nd Bomb Wing, 308th Bomb Wing. Closed in 1967. Now Fort Stewart / Hunter Army Air Field Link: Fort Stewart / Hunter Army Air Field K I Sawyer AFB - CLOSED Location: Near the City of Marquette, Upper Peninsula, Michigan Former home of 410th Bomb Wing, 4042nd Strategic Wing. Closed September 30, 1995 Links: County of Marquette K.I. Sawyer Development Department, K. I Sawyer Tribute - Good site Kadena AB Location: 15 mi. north of Naha, Japan Link: Kadena AB Kearney AFB - CLOSED Location: Kearney, Nebraska Former home of 27th Fighter Wing. Closed in1949 Later Grenier Field Link: Kincheloe AFB - CLOSED Need Pictures Location: Chippewa County, Michigan Former home of 4239th Strategic Wing, 449th Bomb / Strategic Wing, Closed July-September, 1977. Link: Larson AFB - CLOSED Location: Five miles northwest of Moses Lake, Washington Former home of 462nd Bomb Wing, 4170th Strategic Wing, Titan I Missiles. Closed in 1966 Link: Grant County International Airport, History of Larson AFB Limestone AFB - See Loring AFB Lincoln AFB - CLOSED Location: Lincoln Nebraska Former home of 98th Bomb Wing, 307th Bomb Wing. Closed in 1966 Link: History of Lincoln AFB - Excellent Site. Many photographs. Lincoln Municipal Airport Little Rock AFB - ACTIVE Location: 17 miles northeast of Little Rock. Arkansas Former home of 70th Bomb Wing, 308th Bomb Wing, 384th Bomb Wing Now the world's largest C-130 base Link: Little Rock AFB Lockbourne AFB - ACTIVE Location: Lockbourne, Ohio, 12 miles southeast of the city of Columbus, Ohio, Former home of 91st Bomb Wing, 70th Bomb Wing, 301st Bomb Wing Now Rickenbacker ANGB, home of 121st Air Refueling Wing, Air National Guard Link: Rickenbacker Port Authority Loring AFB - CLOSED Location: Limestone, Maine - SAC Mega base. Former home of 42nd Bomb Wing (1956-1991). Officially closed September 30, 1994 Link: Lowry AFB - CLOSED Location: Denver, Colorado Former home of 703rd Strategic Missile Wing, 451st Strategic Missile Wing (Titan I) Closed October 1, 1994. Now an administrative center. Link: MacDill AFB - ACTIVE Location: Eight miles south of downtown Tampa, Florida. Former home of 498th Bomb Group, 6th Bomb Wing, 305th Bomb Wing, 306th Bomb Wing, 307th Bomb Wing, 311th Recon Wing (non-SAC) 6th Air Base Wing (non-SAC) Transferred to Tactical Air Command in 1962. Link: MacDill AFB March AFB - ACTIVE Location: 9 mi. southeast of Riverside, California. Former home of 22nd Bomb Wing, 106th Bomb Wing (non-SAC), 320th Bomb Wing Now home of 452nd Air Mobility Wing. Check out the March AFB Air Museum. Link: 452nd Air Mobility Wing, March Air Museum Mather AFB - CLOSED Location: Sacramento County, California Former home of 320th Bomb Wing, 4134th Strategic Wing. Now an industrial park Link: McCoy AFB - CLOSED Location: Orlando, Florida Former home of 306th Bomb Wing, 321st Bomb Wing, 4047th Strategic Wing Closed 1974. Part of base is now operating as the Orlando International Airport McCoy AFB Time Line, 306 BW History, Orlando International Airport Timeline McGuire AFB - ACTIVE Location: 18 mi. southeast of Trenton, New Jersey Former home of 91st Bomb Wing, 305th Bomb Wing Link: McGuire AFB, Team McGuire Photo Library Mountain Home AFB - ACTIVE Location:10 mi. southwest of Mountain Home, Idaho Former home of 5th Bomb Wing, 9th Bomb Wing Now home of the 366th Fighter Wing Link: Mountain Home AFB Nellis AFB - ACTIVE Location: 8 mi. northeast of Las Vegas, Nevada Former home of 99th Bomb Wing. Now home of AF Air Command Command Pilot Training Center. "Home of U.S. Fighter Pilots". Home of Thunderbirds Precision Flying Team Link: Nellis AFB, Thunderbirds Web Site Offutt AFB - ACTIVE Location: 8 mi. south of Omaha, Nebraska Former home of SAC Headquarters, 55th Strategic Recon Wing, 385th Bomb Wing Now Headquarters of U.S. Strategic Command Link: Offutt AFB, U.S. Strategic Command Command Center Patrick AFB - ACTIVE Location: 2 miles south of Cocoa Beach, Florida. Its the airbase for Cape Kennedy. Home of Air Force Missile Test Center, 45th Space Wing Link: Patrick AFB. Extensive missile history on this site Pease AFB - CLOSED Location: New Hampshire, 55 miles from Boston Former home of 100th Bomb Wing, 509th Bomb Wing Now an airport. Home to the New Hampshire Air National Guard which flies KC-135R aircraft. Link: Pease Development Authority Pinecastle - See McCoy AFB, Florida Plattsburgh - CLOSED Location: Plattsburgh, New York Former home of 308th Bomb Wing, 380th Bomb Wing, 497th Refueling Wing Now an industrial park. Links: Plattsburgh Air Base Development Authority | Plattsburgh AFB / 380th Bomb Wing Presque Isle AFB - CLOSED Location: Maine, near Canadian border Former home of 702nd Missile Wing (Snark). Now Skyway Industrial Park Link: Skyway Industrial Park Ramey AFB - ACTIVE Location: Puerto Rico Former home of 55th Bomb Wing, 72nd Bomb Wing Now an airport, home base to U.S. Coast Guard, Air National Guard Link: Ramey AFB Historical Association Rapid City - See Ellsworth, South Dakota Roswell AFB - See Walker AFB Schilling AFB - CLOSED - Formerly Smokey Hill AFB Location: 2 miles southwest of Salina, Kansas Former home of 40th Bomb Wing, 310th Bomb Wing, 97th Bomb Wing, 301st Bomb Wing, 485th Bomb Wing Closed April 1967 Link: 40th Bomb Wing - Excellent site. Many photos. Selfridge AFB - CLOSED Location: Detroit, Michigan Former home of 57th Fighter Wing in 1947; 500th Air Refueling Wing in 1962, Closed in 1971 Link: Seymore-Johnson AFB - ACTIVE Need pictures Location: Goldsboro, North Carolina Former home of 4241st Strategic Wing, 68th Bomb Wing. Now home of 4th Fighter Wing Link: Seymour Johnson AFB Link not working Sheppard AFB - ACTIVE Need pictures Location: Near the city of Wichita Falls, Texas. Former home of 494th Bomb Wing, 4245th Strategic Wing. Now the largest base in Training Command Link: Sheppard AFB Smoky Hill AFB - See Schilling AFB Spokane AFB - See Fairchild AFB Thule AFB - ACTIVE Location: Thule, Greenland Former home of 4083rd Strategic Wing Home of Ballistic Missile Early Warning System, 12th Space Warning Squadron Thule is the only Air Force base with no aircraft and a tugboat. Links: Thule AFB | Thule Picture Book - Great site Travis AFB - ACTIVE Location: Fairfield, California: Former home of 5th Bomb Wing, 9th Bomb Wing, 4126th Strategic Wing. Now Air Transport Command. Link: Travis AFB Link not working Turner AFB - CLOSED Location: Albany, Georgia Former home of 450th Bomb Wing, 484th Bomb Wing, 4138th Strategic Wing Link: Turner Field Historical Site Vandenberg AFB - ACTIVE Location: 8 mi. north-northwest of Lompoc, California Former home of 392nd Strategic Missile Wing, 704th Strategic Missile Wing Now home of 30th Space Wing Link: Vandenberg AFB Walker AFB - CLOSED Location: 8 miles south of Roswell, New Mexico. Former home of 509th Composite Group, 6th Bomb Wing, the famous "Roswell Incident," where flying saucer was supposedly hidden and space aliens dissected. Link: Walker Restoration Advisory Board Warner Robins AFB - See Robins AFB Westover AFB - ACTIVE Location: Chicopee, Massachusetts about 10 miles northeast of Springfield. Former home of 8th Air Force Headquarters, 99th Bomb Wing, 499th Bomb Wing Now Air Force Reserve base Link: Westover Air Reserve Base Wright-Patterson AFB - ACTIVE Location: 10 mi. east-northeast of Dayton, Ohio Former home of Wright Brothers flying field. 4043d Strategic Wing, 17th Bomb Wing Air Force Research and Logistics Center Links: Wright Patterson AFB, Extensive Wright-Patterson History. Many photos, USAF Museum Wurtsmith AFB - CLOSED Location: Near Oscoda, Michigan Former home of 379th Bomb Wing. Closed June 30, 1993 Link: Wurtsmith Historical Web Site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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