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Dear Members and Readers of the Education Forum,

I am pleased to announce the launch of the Deep Politics Forum.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/index.php

The following is excerpted from our Mission Statement:

"The Deep Politics Forum is an online community dedicated to shining light into the shadowy reaches of historical and contemporary deep political systems and their objectives, strategies, tactics, and operatives, and understanding their social, economic, and cultural consequences.

"Our mission transcends mere academic inquiry, which we accept as an invaluable tactic in a broader strategy to wield knowledge and truth as weapons in a coordinated assault on the manipulators who operate within deep political shadows."

I invite all members and readers of the Education Forum to visit the DPF and apply for membership.

Thank you for your kind consideration.

Charles R. Drago

Co-Founder

Deep Politics Forum

NOTE: It is not our intention to take up valuable bandwidth on any other Internet venture. Accordingly, all questions and comments regarding the Deep Politics Forum should be sent directly to our website and will not be addressed here.

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Dear Members and Readers of the Education Forum,

I am pleased to announce the launch of the Deep Politics Forum.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/index.php

The following is excerpted from our Mission Statement:

"The Deep Politics Forum is an online community dedicated to shining light into the shadowy reaches of historical and contemporary deep political systems and their objectives, strategies, tactics, and operatives, and understanding their social, economic, and cultural consequences.

"Our mission transcends mere academic inquiry, which we accept as an invaluable tactic in a broader strategy to wield knowledge and truth as weapons in a coordinated assault on the manipulators who operate within deep political shadows."

With such a lofty mission statement, I thought it appropriate that I chronicle here my own experience with the "Deep Politics Forum" and two of its co-founders, including Mr. Drago. Below is an email I sent to Mr. Drago today on this public issue that is self-explanatory, followed by his response to me today:

cc: Dawn Meredith

Dear Mr. Drago,

I am writing to bring to your attention a matter that transpired last week to which you were a party according to my best information and knowledge.

The incident had an earlier beginning, on 1 September of this year, when I received an email from Dawn Meredith titled "new forum":

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxx.com

Subject: new forum

Date: September 1, 2008 2:08:29 PM CDT

Envelope-To: ashtongray@xxxxxxx.com

those of us who left the ed forum...

 

any interest?

 

won't be moderated, except for trolling

 

no cia types allowed

 

dawn

====================================

This was followed up by Ms. Meredith on 11 inst. with the following email:

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxxx.com

Subject: Fw: Fw: link to our new forum:

Date: October 11, 2008 11:10:22 AM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxxx.com

When you get an opportunity take a look.  We have all left the ed forum ..

Dawn

[LINK enclosed in forwarded message from Myra Bronstein]

====================================

Having just returned from a week away and being in the grip of brutal deadlines that would utterly prevent any active participation in the short term, I yet had the clear understanding that Ms. Meredith, who I long have considered a friend, was one of the founders of the forum and wanted me to register at her new forum.

I therefore immediately clicked the supplied link and went through the registration process, and received an email from the Deep Politics forum which said in pertinent part (emphasis added):

"Before we can activate your account ONE LAST STEP must be taken to complete your registration. Please note - you must complete this LAST STEP to become a registered member. You will ONLY NEED TO VISIT THIS URL ONCE TO ACTIVATE YOUR ACCOUNT."

As I'm sure you must know quite thoroughly by now, the message from your forum was a damned lie.

My account was not activated. Instead, three days later I received another email from Ms. Meredith which said in pertinent part:

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxx.com

Subject: Re: link to our new forum:

Date: October 14, 2008 7:38:45 AM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxx.com

...Best I can tell re forum somefolks voted against you. It's private. Of course I voted for you. ...

====================================

It's my best knowledge and information that you, too, Mr. Drago, participated in this pathetic travesty and, like Ms. Meredith, did not have the decency ever to inform me that I was secretly being subjected to such debased, underhanded, backstabbing tactics by people claiming to be my "friends," without the slightest prior disclosure--and, indeed, hidden behind a veil of anonymity and blatant false statements in the forum response email quoted above.

The limitations of the English language make it completely impossible for me to express my contempt and revulsion at such depraved and dishonorable conduct. At all relevant times Ms. Meredith knew damned well that I would NEVER have knowingly subjected myself to any such profanation, and I believe that you knew it, too. If you didn't, you don't believe anything you've ever pretended to stand for.

Ms. Meredith has since, in a series of email, claimed stringently that she had no idea I would be subjected to any such infamous process, sending me a document of your own authorship dated 16 October 2008 entitled "APPLICATION REVISION 1" as though that document--DATED FIVE DAYS AFTER THE FACT OF MY REGISTRATION--had some sort of relevance going to "proof" that she wasn't a party to this unspeakable betrayal of my trust. But NOTHING alters the fact that sometime between 11 October and 14 October, she participated in a "vote" [sPIT!] about me, knowing full well that I had no knowledge whatsoever about any such loathsome process, and she never even had the decency to notify me that it was happening. And so did you particpate.

There is a maxim in my creed: "What you resist, you become." In this matter, you and Ms. Meredith stand as living proof.

I therefore demand that both you and Ms. Meredith forward this email at once to every single person in your covert clique who thought that they "voted" on me, that you cc: me on it, and that you issue it over your own unqualified letter of apology to me stating unequivocally that I was tricked into being dragged through your kangaroo court of anonymous "jurors," that I was subjected to trial in absentia without the slightest representation or hearing, and without even notification that I had been placed on trial--something even the Inquisition never stooped to.

Ashton Gray

Here is Mr. Drago's response:

From: cdrago1@xxx.net

Subject: Re: Notice

Date: October 19, 2008 12:29:13 PM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxxxx.com

Cc: dmeredith@xxxxxxxxx.com

My Dear "Ashton Gray,"

Until and unless you choose to step out of the shadows cast by your pseudonym and demonstrate the requisite courage and common courtesy to engage in honest dialogue, I shall dismiss your communications as I would those of any other cowardly disseminator of disinformation.

Sincerely,

Charles R. Drago

I hope you all will sleep better at night knowing that such selfless guardians of personal privacy, truth, honor, and justice are vigilantly on the job, and I hope that you will join them in their tireless efforts.

Ashton Gray

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Dear Members and Readers of the Education Forum,

I am pleased to announce the launch of the Deep Politics Forum.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/index.php

The following is excerpted from our Mission Statement:

"The Deep Politics Forum is an online community dedicated to shining light into the shadowy reaches of historical and contemporary deep political systems and their objectives, strategies, tactics, and operatives, and understanding their social, economic, and cultural consequences.

"Our mission transcends mere academic inquiry, which we accept as an invaluable tactic in a broader strategy to wield knowledge and truth as weapons in a coordinated assault on the manipulators who operate within deep political shadows."

With such a lofty mission statement, I thought it appropriate that I chronicle here my own experience with the "Deep Politics Forum" and two of its co-founders, including Mr. Drago. Below is an email I sent to Mr. Drago today on this public issue that is self-explanatory, followed by his response to me today:

cc: Dawn Meredith

Dear Mr. Drago,

I am writing to bring to your attention a matter that transpired last week to which you were a party according to my best information and knowledge.

The incident had an earlier beginning, on 1 September of this year, when I received an email from Dawn Meredith titled "new forum":

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxx.com

Subject: new forum

Date: September 1, 2008 2:08:29 PM CDT

Envelope-To: ashtongray@xxxxxxx.com

those of us who left the ed forum...

any interest?

won't be moderated, except for trolling

no cia types allowed

dawn

====================================

This was followed up by Ms. Meredith on 11 inst. with the following email:

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxxx.com

Subject: Fw: Fw: link to our new forum:

Date: October 11, 2008 11:10:22 AM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxxx.com

When you get an opportunity take a look. We have all left the ed forum ..

Dawn

[LINK enclosed in forwarded message from Myra Bronstein]

====================================

Having just returned from a week away and being in the grip of brutal deadlines that would utterly prevent any active participation in the short term, I yet had the clear understanding that Ms. Meredith, who I long have considered a friend, was one of the founders of the forum and wanted me to register at her new forum.

I therefore immediately clicked the supplied link and went through the registration process, and received an email from the Deep Politics forum which said in pertinent part (emphasis added):

"Before we can activate your account ONE LAST STEP must be taken to complete your registration. Please note - you must complete this LAST STEP to become a registered member. You will ONLY NEED TO VISIT THIS URL ONCE TO ACTIVATE YOUR ACCOUNT."

As I'm sure you must know quite thoroughly by now, the message from your forum was a damned lie.

My account was not activated. Instead, three days later I received another email from Ms. Meredith which said in pertinent part:

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxx.com

Subject: Re: link to our new forum:

Date: October 14, 2008 7:38:45 AM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxx.com

...Best I can tell re forum somefolks voted against you. It's private. Of course I voted for you. ...

====================================

It's my best knowledge and information that you, too, Mr. Drago, participated in this pathetic travesty and, like Ms. Meredith, did not have the decency ever to inform me that I was secretly being subjected to such debased, underhanded, backstabbing tactics by people claiming to be my "friends," without the slightest prior disclosure--and, indeed, hidden behind a veil of anonymity and blatant false statements in the forum response email quoted above.

The limitations of the English language make it completely impossible for me to express my contempt and revulsion at such depraved and dishonorable conduct. At all relevant times Ms. Meredith knew damned well that I would NEVER have knowingly subjected myself to any such profanation, and I believe that you knew it, too. If you didn't, you don't believe anything you've ever pretended to stand for.

Ms. Meredith has since, in a series of email, claimed stringently that she had no idea I would be subjected to any such infamous process, sending me a document of your own authorship dated 16 October 2008 entitled "APPLICATION REVISION 1" as though that document--DATED FIVE DAYS AFTER THE FACT OF MY REGISTRATION--had some sort of relevance going to "proof" that she wasn't a party to this unspeakable betrayal of my trust. But NOTHING alters the fact that sometime between 11 October and 14 October, she participated in a "vote" [sPIT!] about me, knowing full well that I had no knowledge whatsoever about any such loathsome process, and she never even had the decency to notify me that it was happening. And so did you particpate.

There is a maxim in my creed: "What you resist, you become." In this matter, you and Ms. Meredith stand as living proof.

I therefore demand that both you and Ms. Meredith forward this email at once to every single person in your covert clique who thought that they "voted" on me, that you cc: me on it, and that you issue it over your own unqualified letter of apology to me stating unequivocally that I was tricked into being dragged through your kangaroo court of anonymous "jurors," that I was subjected to trial in absentia without the slightest representation or hearing, and without even notification that I had been placed on trial--something even the Inquisition never stooped to.

Ashton Gray

Here is Mr. Drago's response:

From: cdrago1@xxx.net

Subject: Re: Notice

Date: October 19, 2008 12:29:13 PM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxxxx.com

Cc: dmeredith@xxxxxxxxx.com

My Dear "Ashton Gray,"

Until and unless you choose to step out of the shadows cast by your pseudonym and demonstrate the requisite courage and common courtesy to engage in honest dialogue, I shall dismiss your communications as I would those of any other cowardly disseminator of disinformation.

Sincerely,

Charles R. Drago

I hope you all will sleep better at night knowing that such selfless guardians of personal privacy, truth, honor, and justice are vigilantly on the job, and I hope that you will join them in their tireless efforts.

Ashton Gray

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IT WAS I, WHO VOTED YOU DOWN, Ashton!

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Well I know that I would never want to be a member of a forum who allow someone like me to be a member. - BK

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You were voted in "YES," unanimously, Bill.

But, you never got back to us.

It's still open, and will remain open, should you change your mind.

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Well I know that I would never want to be a member of a forum who would allow someone like me to be a member. - To pharaphrase Sam Clemmons - BK

Bill,

I think that was Groucho Marx.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Groucho_Marx/

Down the page a bit.

Kathy

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Well I know that I would never want to be a member of a forum who would allow someone like me to be a member. - To pharaphrase Sam Clemmons - BK

Bill,

I think that was Groucho Marx.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Groucho_Marx/

Down the page a bit.

Kathy

Indeed, I did plagerize Groucho rather than Sam. I knew that I couldn't take credit for such wit.

Under the pseudonym Mark Twain he wrote:

"It is my belief that nearly any invented quotation, played with confidence, stands a good chance to deceive." - Following the Equator

And "Ficiton must stick to the possible, reality does not."

To pharaphrase another well traveled southern gentleman with literary ambitions:

I am a Groucho Marxist but not a John Lennonist.

BK

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Dear Members and Readers of the Education Forum,

I am pleased to announce the launch of the Deep Politics Forum.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/index.php

The following is excerpted from our Mission Statement:

"The Deep Politics Forum is an online community dedicated to shining light into the shadowy reaches of historical and contemporary deep political systems and their objectives, strategies, tactics, and operatives, and understanding their social, economic, and cultural consequences.

"Our mission transcends mere academic inquiry, which we accept as an invaluable tactic in a broader strategy to wield knowledge and truth as weapons in a coordinated assault on the manipulators who operate within deep political shadows."

With such a lofty mission statement, I thought it appropriate that I chronicle here my own experience with the "Deep Politics Forum" and two of its co-founders, including Mr. Drago. Below is an email I sent to Mr. Drago today on this public issue that is self-explanatory, followed by his response to me today:

cc: Dawn Meredith

Dear Mr. Drago,

I am writing to bring to your attention a matter that transpired last week to which you were a party according to my best information and knowledge.

The incident had an earlier beginning, on 1 September of this year, when I received an email from Dawn Meredith titled "new forum":

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxx.com

Subject: new forum

Date: September 1, 2008 2:08:29 PM CDT

Envelope-To: ashtongray@xxxxxxx.com

those of us who left the ed forum...

any interest?

won't be moderated, except for trolling

no cia types allowed

dawn

====================================

This was followed up by Ms. Meredith on 11 inst. with the following email:

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxxx.com

Subject: Fw: Fw: link to our new forum:

Date: October 11, 2008 11:10:22 AM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxxx.com

When you get an opportunity take a look. We have all left the ed forum ..

Dawn

[LINK enclosed in forwarded message from Myra Bronstein]

====================================

Having just returned from a week away and being in the grip of brutal deadlines that would utterly prevent any active participation in the short term, I yet had the clear understanding that Ms. Meredith, who I long have considered a friend, was one of the founders of the forum and wanted me to register at her new forum.

I therefore immediately clicked the supplied link and went through the registration process, and received an email from the Deep Politics forum which said in pertinent part (emphasis added):

"Before we can activate your account ONE LAST STEP must be taken to complete your registration. Please note - you must complete this LAST STEP to become a registered member. You will ONLY NEED TO VISIT THIS URL ONCE TO ACTIVATE YOUR ACCOUNT."

As I'm sure you must know quite thoroughly by now, the message from your forum was a damned lie.

My account was not activated. Instead, three days later I received another email from Ms. Meredith which said in pertinent part:

====================================

From: dmeredith@xxxxxxx.com

Subject: Re: link to our new forum:

Date: October 14, 2008 7:38:45 AM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxx.com

...Best I can tell re forum somefolks voted against you. It's private. Of course I voted for you. ...

====================================

It's my best knowledge and information that you, too, Mr. Drago, participated in this pathetic travesty and, like Ms. Meredith, did not have the decency ever to inform me that I was secretly being subjected to such debased, underhanded, backstabbing tactics by people claiming to be my "friends," without the slightest prior disclosure--and, indeed, hidden behind a veil of anonymity and blatant false statements in the forum response email quoted above.

The limitations of the English language make it completely impossible for me to express my contempt and revulsion at such depraved and dishonorable conduct. At all relevant times Ms. Meredith knew damned well that I would NEVER have knowingly subjected myself to any such profanation, and I believe that you knew it, too. If you didn't, you don't believe anything you've ever pretended to stand for.

Ms. Meredith has since, in a series of email, claimed stringently that she had no idea I would be subjected to any such infamous process, sending me a document of your own authorship dated 16 October 2008 entitled "APPLICATION REVISION 1" as though that document--DATED FIVE DAYS AFTER THE FACT OF MY REGISTRATION--had some sort of relevance going to "proof" that she wasn't a party to this unspeakable betrayal of my trust. But NOTHING alters the fact that sometime between 11 October and 14 October, she participated in a "vote" [sPIT!] about me, knowing full well that I had no knowledge whatsoever about any such loathsome process, and she never even had the decency to notify me that it was happening. And so did you particpate.

There is a maxim in my creed: "What you resist, you become." In this matter, you and Ms. Meredith stand as living proof.

I therefore demand that both you and Ms. Meredith forward this email at once to every single person in your covert clique who thought that they "voted" on me, that you cc: me on it, and that you issue it over your own unqualified letter of apology to me stating unequivocally that I was tricked into being dragged through your kangaroo court of anonymous "jurors," that I was subjected to trial in absentia without the slightest representation or hearing, and without even notification that I had been placed on trial--something even the Inquisition never stooped to.

Ashton Gray

Here is Mr. Drago's response:

From: cdrago1@xxx.net

Subject: Re: Notice

Date: October 19, 2008 12:29:13 PM CDT

To: ashtongray@xxxxxxx.com

Cc: dmeredith@xxxxxxxxx.com

My Dear "Ashton Gray,"

Until and unless you choose to step out of the shadows cast by your pseudonym and demonstrate the requisite courage and common courtesy to engage in honest dialogue, I shall dismiss your communications as I would those of any other cowardly disseminator of disinformation.

Sincerely,

Charles R. Drago

I hope you all will sleep better at night knowing that such selfless guardians of personal privacy, truth, honor, and justice are vigilantly on the job, and I hope that you will join them in their tireless efforts.

Ashton Gray

******************************************

IT WAS I, WHO VOTED YOU DOWN, Ashton!

Even if you voted Ashton onto the Deep Politics Forum he would not have lasted long. It would only be a matter of time before Ashton asked one of the members a difficult question. Like the Soviet Communist Party, you cannot afford the dominant ideology to be questioned.

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Even if you voted Ashton onto the Deep Politics Forum he would not have lasted long. It would only be a matter of time before Ashton asked one of the members a difficult question. Like the Soviet Communist Party, you cannot afford the dominant ideology to be questioned.

Dear John,

You have disappointed me gravely by posting a pronouncement which, in its ignorance of the facts, mindless vituperation, and overall appeal to lowest common denominator "ideas" and emotions, is worthy of the McCain-Palin hate machine.

It gives me no pleasure to note that you have echoed the sentiments of the likes of "Colby," Burton, and "Gray."

Judge a man by the company he keeps.

I speak for my fellow co-founders of the DPF when I inform you, sir, that "difficult" questions which challenge our individual and, in certain cases, shared opinions on deep political issues are not only welcome on our forum, but highly encouraged.

Yet unless you are prepared to argue that "historical truth" is an oxymoron, you are otherwise sufficiently well-equipped in terms of intellect in general and understanding of the deep political milieu in particular to understand that, in certain instances, the endless posings of long-answered questions support the agendas of those you should be sworn to defeat.

Just one example of many: As a matter of policy and principle, we at the DPF will not extend collegial treatment or otherwise offer respect to proponents of the so-called "lone nut" JFK assassination lie -- which is to say, liars. Again I must remind you: Anyone with reasonable access to the JFK evidence who does not conclude that conspirators killed the president is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime.

We are, however, honor-bound to explain the historical truth of JFK conspiracy to those who honestly ask for assistance in their efforts to gain reasonable access to the evidence.

These distinctions are not subtle, sir. I cannot believe you are incapable of understanding them.

So I am left to conclude that your absurd, unfounded charge leveled against me and my fellow co-founders of the DPF serves another agenda.

Fear not, John Simkin. There are plenty of rooms in the Internet mansion to house efforts such as the EF and DPF. Ours is in the left wing, so we can't even see your quarters from here.

Rest easy, sir. The DPF will not accept advertising, so we pose no threat to the EF's financial bottom line.

Stand down, old sentinel. The DPF will not publish the sort of mindless, unjustified, utterly venal attack on the EF that you have published about us.

In closing, I might note that as a matter of policy the Deep Politics Forum will not publish pseudonymous posts. On this basis alone, "Ashton Gray" is disqualified from membership.

So then ... It's back to the Politburo for me. Here's hoping it's back to reality for you.

Charles R. Drago

PS -- In my original DPF announcement, I warranted that, out of recognition of the finite and costly nature of website bandwidth, I would not respond to comments posted in response. I had not the slightest intention of dignifying your previously mentioned cohorts by acknowledging their waste products. Perhaps you were emboldened by the chance to attack an enemy sworn not to counter-attack. If so, yours was an act of intellectual cowardice worthy of your forum's co-owner.

And it backfired.

CRD

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What a joy it is to be savaged by an intellectual pygmy of Charles Drago's measure.

Given his and his friends history of desperately trying to get alternative views on this forum silenced and banned I have no doubt that John's analogy, (which has caused the most recent venting of the Drago spleen), is indeed apt.

As I say I wish him well with his new venture and believe that he will have many happy months agreeing with people that already share his views.

However if he could now do us the courtesy of being so kind as to bugger off from here it would be greatly appreciated.

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What a joy it is to be savaged by an intellectual pygmy of Charles Drago's measure.

Given his and his friends history of desperately trying to get alternative views on this forum silenced and banned I have no doubt that John's analogy, (which has caused the most recent venting of the Drago spleen), is indeed apt.

As I say I wish him well with his new venture and believe that he will have many happy months agreeing with people that already share his views.

However if he could now do us the courtesy of being so kind as to bugger off from here it would be greatly appreciated.

Buggering, sir!

P.S. -- That's "people who" already share my views.

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Drago's Drivel - A Reader's Guide:

“I invite all members and readers of the Education Forum to visit the DPF and apply for membership”

Quite insincere since the Deep BS Forum was found explicitly to exclude members of this forum not to the founders’ liking. So Evan, Ashton, Craig, I and others are invited to joined only to be rejected.

“NOTE: It is not our intention to take up valuable bandwidth on any other Internet venture. Accordingly, all questions and comments regarding the Deep Politics Forum should be sent directly to our website and will not be addressed here.”

More insincerity since the obvious intent was to draw traffic from this forum to his.

“won't be moderated, except for trolling”

Hopelessly vague, intentionally I imagine. I.E. “everything” is allowed except for what the moderator’s arbitrarily define as "trolling". Given Mr. Drago’s record of urging dissenting viewpoints from being stamped out on some else’s forum (i.e. John and Andy’s) John’s prognosis of Stalinist moderation is most probably correct.

“I speak for my fellow co-founders of the DPF when I inform you, sir, that "difficult" questions which challenge our individual and, in certain cases, shared opinions on deep political issues are not only welcome on our forum, but highly encouraged.”

As per your record noted above calling for ostracizing those with differing viewpoints this is obvious BS. The actual creed of the forum seems to be “Differing ‘opinions on deep political issues are not only welcome on our forum, but highly encouraged’ as long as they don’t differ too much from those of the founders. I guess you could call it semi-free speech.

From the forum’s rules:

"2. This forum champions free speech. In this regard, its founders’ role models include Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, and certain framers of the United States Constitution. The use of profanity is acceptable when artistically rendered and contextualized within larger expositions of thought – which is to say, when such usage is not gratuitous. You may offend those sensibilities you deem to be in dire need of being offended – but you also must present a cogent and compelling argument in justification for doing so."

Bizarre the concept of free speech seems limited to the use of “profanity”. I.E> you can type “fu(k” without replacing any of the letter as long as your POV is equal or similar to those of the founders but polite heresy is not protected.

"Just one example of many: As a matter of policy and principle, we at the DPF will not extend collegial treatment or otherwise offer respect to proponents of the so-called "lone nut" JFK assassination lie"

Not that I back the LNT (I don’t) but so much for being a forum that “champions free speech” where “"difficult" questions which challenge our individual and, in certain cases, shared opinions on deep political issues are not only welcome… but highly encouraged.”

“PS -- In my original DPF announcement, I warranted that, out of recognition of the finite and costly nature of website bandwidth, I would not respond to comments posted in response. I had not the slightest intention of dignifying your previously mentioned cohorts by acknowledging their waste products. Perhaps you were emboldened by the chance to attack an enemy sworn not to counter-attack. If so, yours was an act of intellectual cowardice worthy of your forum's co-owner.”

What remarkably ass backward logic. Since Drago said he wouldn’t reply here, anyone critical of his forum or his spamming plugs for it here should refrain from commenting on these threads. The faux preoccupation with bandwidth is ludicrous since the intent was to divert traffic..

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What a joy it is to be savaged by an intellectual pygmy of Charles Drago's measure.

Given his and his friends history of desperately trying to get alternative views on this forum silenced and banned I have no doubt that John's analogy, (which has caused the most recent venting of the Drago spleen), is indeed apt.

As I say I wish him well with his new venture and believe that he will have many happy months agreeing with people that already share his views.

However if he could now do us the courtesy of being so kind as to bugger off from here it would be greatly appreciated.

Buggering, sir!

"Bugger off" and "buggering" are not the same thing of course since if one person is buggering another they are not able to "bugger off" till they finish.

P.S. -- That's "people who" already share my views.

The only thing worse than a "grammar cop" is a "grammar cop" who is wrong. Since the relative clause in Andy's sentence wasn't dependent 'who' or 'that' were equally acceptable.

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P.S. -- That's "people who" already share my views.

That's very clear from a cursory glance at your assembled members. I am sure that you will have a great deal of fun.

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