Bernice Moore Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) SSC U.E.Baughman Vincent Palamara Archive - Write to Vince at vmplac@telerama.com Potpourri: Chief, SS, DNC, Chicago agents: Washington Post 7/25/61- "U.E. Baughman, 55, Chief of the United States Secret Service, is resigning, it was learned [Monday] night. After 34 years in the SS, 13 as Chief...He has no plans for private employment at the moment."[baughman was "retired" by JFK during the same time period that CIA Director Allen Dulles was "retired"!]; Washington Post 9/2/61- " 'Oh, My!' gasped Mrs. Rowley as the ad libbing bystander sidled over to greet them with easy effusion. It was obvious that President Kennedy's presence at the ceremony was as unexpected as it had been unannounced...Kennedy quipped,' He (Rowley) hasn't lost a President in all[his time with the Secret Service].On a record like that, he deserves a promotion."; Washington Post 7/26/61- Interview with Baughman: " I WILL SAY EMPHATICALLY THAT THERE IS NO MAFIA IN THIS COUNTRY AND NO NATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE. WHY DON'T THOSE WHO TALK ABOUT THE MAFIA NAME ITS LEADER OR LEADERS? THERE HAS BEEN NO MAFIA IN THIS COUNTRY FOR AT LEAST FORTY YEARS. NOW ABOUT A NATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE: I SAY THERE IS NO SUCH THING, AND I SAY IT NOT SIMPLY AS A PERSONAL JUDGMENT BUT ON THE BASIS OF TALKS WITH OTHER ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS"-! No wonder JFK got rid of Baughman- I'm sure the Attorney General (RFK) appreciated the Chief's "wisdom", no doubt originating from Hoover. Who knows- maybe Carlos Marcello was a mere tomato salesman as FBI agent Regis Kennedy declared(!)... http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/0025-VP.TXT SA IC Dallas.....Sorrels Forrest W/C Testimony 1,2,& Affidavit http://jfkassassination.net/russ/wit.htm#s He was good friends with Phillip Willis....who took the film.Sorrels telling him after, that shots had come from the knoll.....fence area.. Thanks Tom much appreciation, for all your efforts...... B...... Edited July 12, 2009 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Nice detective work Tom. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Nice detective work Tom.Thanks. Bernice and Robin, you are welcome. If you would like a higher resolution file of the Sorrels image, please download it from here: http://home.comcast.net/~qvc/FVSorrelsClip.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 ....Great find. I'm surprise he was so old at that date.....could be JJA's brother in looks and in the 'hood'. By 1964, Sorrels was 63 years of age and had 41 years service in the SS, he was appointed supervisor of all SS agents of Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana by Dec, 1936, as a result of an SS reorganization, moving his HQ to New Orleans.... In 1934, he had a brush with death: I read about the reporting on the progress of his career in my fruitless search for a photo in the El Paso newspaper..... Tom wrote: "...as a result of an SS reorganization, moving his HQ to New Orleans..." Tom, When did this "reorganization" of the SS occur? It must have happened AFTER the assassination? Did Sorrels move to New Orleans? And thanks for the pix. Bill Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 ....Great find. I'm surprise he was so old at that date.....could be JJA's brother in looks and in the 'hood'. By 1964, Sorrels was 63 years of age and had 41 years service in the SS, he was appointed supervisor of all SS agents of Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana by Dec, 1936, as a result of an SS reorganization, moving his HQ to New Orleans.... In 1934, he had a brush with death: I read about the reporting on the progress of his career in my fruitless search for a photo in the El Paso newspaper..... Tom wrote: "...as a result of an SS reorganization, moving his HQ to New Orleans..." Tom, When did this "reorganization" of the SS occur? It must have happened AFTER the assassination? Did Sorrels move to New Orleans? And thanks for the pix. Bill Kelly Just hold down CTRL key and press + key several times to expand view to read the article in the image. I'm assuming Sorrels moved to the NOLA HQ, but we can't be sure...and I'll look for more articles when I have the time to find if he was later demoted to supervising only the SS in Dallas.... I found it a curious development, too. El Paso Herald-Post (El Paso, Texas) > 1936 > December > 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 ....Great find. I'm surprise he was so old at that date.....could be JJA's brother in looks and in the 'hood'. By 1964, Sorrels was 63 years of age and had 41 years service in the SS, he was appointed supervisor of all SS agents of Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana by Dec, 1936, as a result of an SS reorganization, moving his HQ to New Orleans.... In 1934, he had a brush with death: I read about the reporting on the progress of his career in my fruitless search for a photo in the El Paso newspaper..... Tom wrote: "...as a result of an SS reorganization, moving his HQ to New Orleans..." Tom, When did this "reorganization" of the SS occur? It must have happened AFTER the assassination? Did Sorrels move to New Orleans? And thanks for the pix. Bill Kelly Just hold down CTRL key and press + key several times to expand view to read the article in the image. I'm assuming Sorrels moved to the NOLA HQ, but we can't be sure...and I'll look for more articles when I have the time to find if he was later demoted to supervising only the SS in Dallas.... I found it a curious development, too. El Paso Herald-Post (El Paso, Texas) > 1936 > December > 1 What's interesting is that he would have had to replace New Orleans SS Special Agent in Charge John W. Rice, who was much younger - in his 30s, and who is the subject of much interest, has never been interviewed and may be still alive. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Bill, Bear in mind that Sorrels was promoted to regional supervisor on December 1, 1936, and this 1945 Federal Manual indicates he still held the position in 1945 and his office was in Dallas, but he was in charge of the states of TX, LA and MS: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USGM/Treasury.html (Scroll down to lower part of page) --244-- District Offices--U.S. Secret Service--Continued District Supervising Agent Address No. 10. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi Forrest V. Sorrels 901 Burt Building, Dallas 1, Tex. Chief Baughman's 1962 biography states that there were, during his tenure, 59 regional SS offices. They are listed here, in the Federal Manual 1963-64 : http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp....seq=133;num=133 Sorrels was still in charge of NOLA according to the 1947 Federal Manual. Sometime between 1948 and 1962, another reorganization was implemented and SS offices in NOLA and in Jackson, MS became regional. Sorrel was demoted on paper due to growth in population and in SS mandated responsibilities and he was relegated to supervising only the Dallas regional office. But, now we know he had been the supervisor of the New Orleans office for 12 or more years, until at least the late 1940's. Edited July 13, 2009 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Photo of Sorrel........or..as Vince put it.... Most of us have the photo and we don't even know it ........LOL see below found on Page 59 of Robert Groden's "The Killing Of A President".. along with SS Youngblood & LBJ.. I checked some photos and believe this is also ........Sorrels.. seen below, with Robert Oswald & Marina leaving Parkland..... For quite some time, some have tried to ID this man with Youngblood and LBJ.... I recall at one time him being compared to a man known as a Gen.Pash or some such..name ..?? I hope this clarifies the information for us.... Thanks to Vince.....whose work within the realms of the SS..is unprecedented.. B.... Edited July 13, 2009 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Thanks Bernice & vince. Great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Thanks Bernice & vince.Great stuff. I'm guessing that Vince never indicated viewing or having knowledge of a period photo of Forrest Sorrels? I find it hard to believe that the sole publisher of the 1964 AP wirephoto of Sorrel's likeness was an Abilene, TX newspaper front page. I've checked a number of other papers carrying that same story on November 24, 1964, and none published Sorrel's photo, but it is not a representative sampling yet. Sorrels' image seems to have the potential for being confused with Rufus Youngblood's, at least from some angles in some Youngblood photos. Bernice, the nose and mouth (thin lips) on the man wearing sunglasses on the lower left photo in your post seems closest to the wirephoto of Sorrel's. Edited July 14, 2009 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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